I don't think anyone has mentioned one I use regularly, the CSE HTML Validator. http://www.htmlvalidator.com/ I use it off-line, and mainly use it to pick up errors. I find it really convenient to not to have to be on-line all the time. I use the on-line ones, too. I don't know how I could write without validators, but maybe I'm just more sloppy than the average bear. ;) Donna -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donna Jones Home Site: http://www.westendwebs.com Have you been to the hunger site ( http://thehungersite.com/ ) today?