<tip> CSS provides a much more elegant way of removing the whitespace around lists. Try this: <html> <head> <style type="text/css"> UL{ margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;} </style> </head> <body> hey hey <ul> <li>I'm big...</li> <li>I'm fat...</li> <li>I'm cool...</li> </ul> I'm Fat Albert </body> </html> </tip> -joshua