Just an addendum... I've been playing with the live page again, and it renders without the normal scroll bars... sometimes =) WinNT 4 SP5 - NN6 first load = double bars click refresh icon = double (repeated 10> times) press F5 = double on first press, then single every time after? Oh, well... the weirdness may never end! Cheers mk ===== Get your free wombles.com email address @ http://www.wombles.com e. mike.king at redroom.co.uk t. 07971 292 999 ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie