At 14:46 05/12/2000 -0800, you wrote: >But if you just want to play with client side web programming, I'd say >play with JavaScript first. The learning curve is much better. And you >can still do cool and useless stuff with it: i have a big list of inpirating hand-picked design/experiences links on http://www.nerdsoul.com/thinktank/linksheet.html benjamin deboute