You might wish to focus instead on the message, and the audience, rather than liking or hating a technology. (It almost sounds like you really don't like needless eyecandy rather than predictable streaming interactivity, for instance.) jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Tech Support, San Francisco CA US Search technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Offlist email risks capture by the spam filters. I may not see your email if it's not on the list. Private one-on-one email options are available via Priority Access: http://www.macromedia.com/support/