the blue box on the top of this page urges you to contact someone for licensing info and that's when you get the bad news about Heirmenus' cost- $1495. It applies to the more recent versions. You can use earlier versions (that don't work as well) for free. http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/ Laurie -- Laurie Kilmartin Vampire Code | Clean Code By Dawn http://www.vampirecode.com --