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Date: Mon Sep 23 00:02:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Sep 16, 2002
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From lists at tntluoma.com  Mon Sep 23 00:17:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Mon Sep 23 00:17:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Can Apache put only certain codes in log files?
Message-ID: <3D8EA392.6000804@tntluoma.com>

I've been Googling around for awhile but I am not finding the right
keywords or something.

I thought I had heard of a feature in Apache that would allow me to
configure my logs so that I can have separate log files:

For example, if I wanted to have separate logs for separate types of
HTTP return codes:

200 (successful)	/logs/200.log
404 (not found)		/logs/404.log

This would let me separate out errors from successes.

I have ErrorLog set but 404s still end up in my 'access_log'

Is this possible?  If so can anyone give me a pointer to the manual or URL?

Thanks

TjL

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From luminosity at members.evolt.org  Mon Sep 23 00:27:01 2002
From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon)
Date: Mon Sep 23 00:27:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] The Web's future: XHTML 2.0
References: <F695DYge2Qw4hVJbrzv0001ab57@hotmail.com> <05a601c261aa$34488e20$0200a8c0@client1> <3D8D2AEA.1010107@members.evolt.org> <3D8DB65F.6030001@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <3D8EA4D1.7020708@members.evolt.org>

Timothy J. Luoma wrote:
>  > there are a few nice things there too. Being able to type <abbr
>  > title="PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor" href="http://php.net">PHP</abbr>
>  > as opposed to <a href="http://php.net"><abbr title="PHP: Hypertext
>  > Preprocessor">PHP</abbr></a>.
>
> But how long will it be before you stop using <a href...> ?  I mean,
> after all, right now you can make links to sections of a page using ID
> or by using <a name...> as long as you aren't using xhtml-1.1

Yes, but it's nice even if it isn't practical as yet. I was thinking
more of a personal site thing since I've never had to worry about having
a client before (not that that's a good thing, I could do with some cash).

> But since any older browser won't grok an ID link, and since all current
> browsers grok <a name...> how many of us are really going to use
> ID-based links?

I already do..

> I love the tighter code required by XHTML 1.0 strict.... I use it all
> the time, it's the default for my templates.  I wish that badly coded
> sites showed up in hot pink to shame their authors.

Good idea... let's make a virus that infects IE and makes it do that...

--
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__________________________________________
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E-mail: lach @ illuminosity.net
MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org
__________________________________________




From webpage at ureach.com  Mon Sep 23 01:07:00 2002
From: webpage at ureach.com (Web Page)
Date: Mon Sep 23 01:07:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] RE: PHP Breadcrub Script - Questions
Message-ID: <200209230606.CAA06081@www22.ureach.com>

Hello,

Thank you for responding to my plea for help.  I just cannot
get this script to work and my Knowledge of PHP is very limited.

I know these questiions may seem babylike but any help you can
give me will be appreciated.

1.  Is the script named "breadcrumb.php" placed inside of a
folder named "includes"?

2.  Should their be any changes made to the script
named "breadcrumb.php"?

3.  What is meant by the statement,

"To use breadcrumb.php on your pages, you'll need to first
include it and, if you desire, set $page_title:"

	a.  Would I just place the following code into a page
this way,

<?php $page_title = "About Us";
include('/includes/breadcrumb.php'); ?>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"
                "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd">

<html lang="en-us">
<head>

<title><?php echo $page_title ?></title>

<head>

<body>

<?php breadCrumb($SCRIPT_URL); ?>

</body>
</html>

	b.  Do I change - $page_title = "About Us" - to -
$page_title = "PAGE TITLE" ?

	C.  Do I CHANGE - $SCRIPT_URL - to -
$http://page_name.html" ?

Again, thank you in advance for any and all help you can give
me with this PHP Breadcrumb script.

WP1
------------------------------------------------------
Message: 22
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:06:05 -0400
From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <lists at tntluoma.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Need help with PHP breadcrumb script
on "eVolt" web
 site
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org

Web Page wrote:

> Can anyone help me with the Breadcrumb script on the "eVolt"
> site?  I have not been able to contact the author despite many
> emails to him/her.
>
> The script is named "Breadcrumbs for PHP Lovers" and is
located
> at,
> http://evolt.org/article/Breadcrumbs_for_PHP_Lovers/17/4455/
>
> Thank you in advance for any and all responses.


I'm using that script (somewhat modified) at two of my sites.

Whatcha wanna know?

TjL


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From Anthony at Baratta.com  Mon Sep 23 01:46:00 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon Sep 23 01:46:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Can Apache put only certain codes in log files?
In-Reply-To: <3D8EA392.6000804@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020922234123.01fbf798@baratta.com>

At 10:16 PM 9/22/2002, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

>I thought I had heard of a feature in Apache that would allow me to
>configure my logs so that I can have separate log files:

The source is always a good place to start:

         http://httpd.apache.org/docs/logs.html

Virtual Hosts

If CustomLog or ErrorLog directives are placed inside a <VirtualHost>
section, all requests or errors for that virtual host will be logged only
to the specified file. Any virtual host which does not have logging
directives will still have its requests sent to the main server logs. This
technique is very useful for a small number of virtual hosts, but if the
number of hosts is very large, it can be complicated to manage. In
addition, it can often create problems with insufficient file descriptors.

Apache Virtual Host documentation

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/

Also see:

ErrorLog directive
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html
---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From ldelahunty at britstream.com  Mon Sep 23 05:24:00 2002
From: ldelahunty at britstream.com (Liam Delahunty)
Date: Mon Sep 23 05:24:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] google results
Message-ID: <INEMJDMFPLMOMPMFKADOMEKLDMAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>

why does...

John gives about 63,700,000 results

John toilet = 374,000 results.

John -toilet = 3,620,000.

shouldn't John -toilet give 63,326,000 results? Or am I being stupid - we
did have an earthquake in England in the night and it might have shaken my
brain too much...

Kind regards,
Liam Delahunty

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
 Fulham V Chelsea tonight.
 http://www.fulhamfc.co.uk/
    Come On You Whites!



From cd-ml at aardvark.net.au  Mon Sep 23 07:02:00 2002
From: cd-ml at aardvark.net.au (Craig)
Date: Mon Sep 23 07:02:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] google results
References: <INEMJDMFPLMOMPMFKADOMEKLDMAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>
Message-ID: <000901c262f9$05d1a7c0$19ebdccb@maximo>

Another strange thing with Google is:

If you type "bowen site:bowen-groves.com.au" (without the quotes) you get 1
result.

If you type "bowen site:bowen-groves.com" (without the quotes) you get 103
results.

bowen-groves.com and bowen-groves.com.au server exactly the same content, yet
google hasn't managed to index anything (except the home page) from the .au
site.

Craig.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Liam Delahunty" <ldelahunty at britstream.com>
To: "Thelist" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: [thelist] google results


> why does...
>
> John gives about 63,700,000 results
>
> John toilet = 374,000 results.
>
> John -toilet = 3,620,000.
>
> shouldn't John -toilet give 63,326,000 results? Or am I being stupid - we
> did have an earthquake in England in the night and it might have shaken my
> brain too much...
>
> Kind regards,
> Liam Delahunty
>
> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>  Fulham V Chelsea tonight.
>  http://www.fulhamfc.co.uk/
>     Come On You Whites!
>
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>




From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Mon Sep 23 07:05:00 2002
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Mon Sep 23 07:05:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] CF -- have a Q need a Tip to clean-up my webs.
In-Reply-To: <000101c26259$cb0a0c80$ad7dfea9@HQ.xacting.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c262f9$6acb1cb0$6561a8c0@vader>

>
> Way back on Fri Oct 12 19:45:06 2001 Rory.Plaire at
> wahchang.com wrote the
> following in a tip
> (http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20011008/059198.html):
>
> <snip />
>
> > To avoid this bit of tedium and performance hit, try
> putting the UDFs in a
> > "library file" and cfincluding that in the Application.cfm
> file. Since the
> > server stays in a multi-threaded condition, the performance
> is increased
> > and, more importantly, cflocks no longer grow like the
> pestilent weed in
> > your carefully cultivated code.
>
> Point of clarification: inside the "library file", the UDFs should be
> wrapped in a cflock right? This way the cflock is inside a
> thread and not
> around the application? I don't recall reading anywhere
> (other than above)
> that having a cflock in application.cfm will block all
> thread? Is there a
> reference or publication somewhere that has more information?

There is no need for cflocks just because you are defining the UDFs in
application.cfm. Just like there is no need for cflock if you do <cfset
x = 1> in application.cfm. You only need locks (prior to CFMX) if you
are using application variables, for example, <cfset application.x = 1>,
or ...

//assume foo is a udf
application.foo = foo;

Macromedia recommends _against_ copying UDFs to the application scope.
If you need easy access to them in custom tags, consider copying them to
the request scope.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire

Email    : jedimaster at macromedia.com
Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda




From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Mon Sep 23 07:08:01 2002
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Mon Sep 23 07:08:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Web standards (was: The Web's future: XHTML 2.0)
In-Reply-To: <5135940079.20020922190346@ozline.net>
Message-ID: <002301c262f9$cf7a1b20$8102a8c0@000347D72515>

[snip from many replies]
...standards that everyone follows....actual standards....standards are
there to be followed....actual standards get no attention at all....the
W3C....People have been ignoring large swaths of the standards since html
2....it deserves to be a standard....it's not a problem with the standard
though....it's a problem that needs to be addressed in the standards....it
is possible to generally support the standards movement....I merely want the
standards to become better. They aren't perfect yet.
[/snip]

And they are not "standards". Web developers are allowed to ignore them and
browser manufacturers are allowed to ignore them (such as when NN and IE
went head-to-head in the tag wars what now seems like a long time ago),
which is why you often see so much garbled "code".

The documents and specifications coming out of the W3C are
"recommendations". There have been many arguements on this list (and many
others) that there need to be standards because it would make life so much
easier. That is why you see large groups of developers adhering to the
recommendations like glue in hopes that they will influence the browser
manufacturers to make their product more compliant with the recommendations.

I also found the '1984' reference funny, but unfortunately it seems to have
little relevance to mark-up and programming languages where it has always
been ideal to seek out the most terse (tersest? :^]) bits to perform
functions. But funny none the less.

Jay

YODA: "Code!  Yes.  A programmer's strength flows from code maintainability.
      But beware of Perl.  Terse syntax... more than one way to do it...
      default variables.  The dark side of code maintainability are they.
      Easily they flow, quick to join you when code you write.  If once
      you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny,
      consume you it will."

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From Josh.S.Feingold at irs.gov  Mon Sep 23 07:18:01 2002
From: Josh.S.Feingold at irs.gov (Feingold Josh S)
Date: Mon Sep 23 07:18:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Creating Thumbnails
Message-ID: <154D4D2F96BBD6119D950004ACE530C636AF73@chm0010mb01.atsc.irs.gov>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
<tip type="graphic design" author="josh feingold">

I bumped into this program and thought others might find it of use.  It is a
freeware thumbnail creator.

http://www.fookes.com/ezthumbs/index.html

</tip>


Enjoy!
Josh


From web2k2 at premonition.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 07:35:01 2002
From: web2k2 at premonition.co.uk (Geoff Sheridan)
Date: Mon Sep 23 07:35:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Creating Thumbnails
In-Reply-To:  <154D4D2F96BBD6119D950004ACE530C636AF73@chm0010mb01.atsc.irs.gov>
References:  <154D4D2F96BBD6119D950004ACE530C636AF73@chm0010mb01.atsc.irs.gov>
Message-ID: <p05100307b9b4b92de572@[213.122.32.76]>

tip type="operating system myopia"
When recommending software remember to state what operating system it
will run on. Not everyone uses windows.
/tip

(tip deliberately malformed so as not to appear in harvest)




At 8:15 am -0400 23/9/02, Feingold Josh S wrote:
>--
>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
><tip type="graphic design" author="josh feingold">
>
>I bumped into this program and thought others might find it of use.  It is a
>freeware thumbnail creator.
>
>http://www.fookes.com/ezthumbs/index.html
>
></tip>


From webmaster at menouno.com  Mon Sep 23 07:57:01 2002
From: webmaster at menouno.com (Massimo Mezzini)
Date: Mon Sep 23 07:57:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] google results
In-Reply-To: <000901c262f9$05d1a7c0$19ebdccb@maximo>
Message-ID: <3D8F2B84.17563.77E1DF@localhost>

On 23 Sep 2002 at 21:31, Craig wrote about Re: [thelist] google results:

> bowen-groves.com and bowen-groves.com.au server
> exactly the same content, yet google hasn't managed
> to index anything (except the home page) from the .au site.

could it be because on www.bowen-groves.com.au one gets redirected
right away to www.bowen-groves.com?

ciao

Massimo


From dunstan at 1976design.com  Mon Sep 23 09:48:07 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:48:07 2002
Subject: [thelist] onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?
Message-ID: <20020923144747.M79471@1976design.com>

Hey there,

I have a form where people can upload images.
Some of the images are quite big and take about 30 seconds to upload (mind
you, that's probably cause I'm connecting at a blistering 44k).

I am worried that someone will click 'submit' a second, third or fourth time
during this upload time, thinking that the process isn't working (as my
parents are want to do - "STOP CLICKING MUM, IT'S WORKING!"), thus submitting
multiple copies of the form, or screwing things up generally.

Is there a bit of JS that will say
onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?


Once the images have uploaded the page reloads so I guess the button would
return to normal again.

Thanks very much - dunstan

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.orchard.it/
http://www.maccaws.org/


From susanhw at webcastle.com  Mon Sep 23 09:48:13 2002
From: susanhw at webcastle.com (Susan Wallace)
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:48:13 2002
Subject: [thelist] Help with app. logic
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020923095155.037ed290@webcastle.com>

Greetings!

I am working on a project for a membership organization that has some
"special" requirements as far as membership renewal and receiving
publications. This is making my brain hurt, I am hoping that a fresh set of
eyes can help me with this.

I am using Cold Fusion to build this, however I don't think that's pertinent.

The expiration/renewal dates are based on a quarter, but it's not a
calendar quarter, it's based on their own date defined quarter divisions.
(i.e. Q1 is Mar 01 - May 31)

Each quarter has its own Journal associated with it:
Q1: Journal B
Q2: Journal C
Q3: Journal D
Q4: Journal A

If I sign up today as a new member, since the current date is Sept. 18, it
falls within Q3 (Sept 1 - Nov 30). Over the course of my membership, I
would receive Journal D, A, B, C and then expire on 12/1

If I come back in February of 2004 and renew my membership, I will have
missed Journal D because I did not renew on time.

If I renewed in Feb 2004, I would need to receive Journal D (a "back
issue") and then A, B, C, and my expiration date stays 12/1

If I renewed in May 2004, I would need to receive Journal D and A as back
issues, and my expiration date stays 12/1

The problem I am having is how to use code to go about determining what
back issues to send someone.

I have this one page that actually doesn't take too long to process, but it
determines the current date, the current quarter, and determines the
Expiration date as one of the following:
3/1
6/1
9/1
12/1

The year is not important here because if they expired 3 years ago on 3/1,
their exp date stays 3/1, but they only receive back issues for this year,
not the last 3.

So if I evaluate the current date and quarter, how do I go about
determining the back issues?

I am I just dense and missing something obvious?

This is where I start to ramble and make the "deer caught in headlights"
look..

Suggestions?

Thanks VERY much for the help!
Susan

Since this may be considered OT, here is a Tip:

<tip type="Online Music Services - Rhapsody">
If you are thinking about an online music subscription, consider looking at
Rhapsody, presented by Listen.com. The catalog is extensive, the quality is
high. There is a free trial available.
Cool things:
The catalog is very extensive, showing information for items available on
the service and those not available. Good for researching obscure stuff.

If you are listening to the radio stations, and a song comes up that you
don't like, you can skip it. :)

Not so cool:
The application stores all of the things that you play in a "cache" on your
hard drive, and does not provide documentation about how to prevent that.

CD Burning is not (yet) available.
</tip>



From evolt at goonies.info  Mon Sep 23 09:54:04 2002
From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon)
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:54:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?
References: <20020923144747.M79471@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c26310$ef472940$6983d889@wec2031>

Here's a script from The JavaScript Source:
http://javascript.internet.com/forms/disable-submit.html

That should help.


http://www.goonies.info/
Not the film. The family.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dunstan Orchard" <dunstan at 1976design.com>
To: "evolt list" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: [thelist] onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?


> Hey there,
>
> I have a form where people can upload images.
> Some of the images are quite big and take about 30 seconds to upload (mind
> you, that's probably cause I'm connecting at a blistering 44k).
>
> I am worried that someone will click 'submit' a second, third or fourth
time
> during this upload time, thinking that the process isn't working (as my
> parents are want to do - "STOP CLICKING MUM, IT'S WORKING!"), thus
submitting
> multiple copies of the form, or screwing things up generally.
>
> Is there a bit of JS that will say
> onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?
>
>
> Once the images have uploaded the page reloads so I guess the button would
> return to normal again.
>
> Thanks very much - dunstan
>
> ---------------------------
> Dorset, England
> http://www.1976design.com/
> http://www.orchard.it/
> http://www.maccaws.org/
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>



From webguy at mail.rit.edu  Mon Sep 23 09:55:05 2002
From: webguy at mail.rit.edu (Chris Blessing)
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:55:05 2002
Subject: [thelist] onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?
In-Reply-To: <20020923144747.M79471@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJIEHBCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>

Dunstan-

I'd do it in the form onsubmit handler instead.  This ensures that the form
actually got submitted, as I know I've experienced times where I clicked a
button on a form and nothing (no web request sent) was done.

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<BODY>
<FORM NAME="form1" ACTION="test.htm" onSubmit="this.sbmt.disabled = true;">
	<INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="texttest">
	<INPUT TYPE="submit" NAME="sbmt" VALUE="send">
</FORM>
</BODY>
</HTML>

Chris Blessing
webguy at mail.rit.edu
http://www.330i.net


> Is there a bit of JS that will say
> onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?
>
>
> Once the images have uploaded the page reloads so I guess the button would
> return to normal again.
>
> Thanks very much - dunstan



From MPlunkett at MSA.com  Mon Sep 23 09:57:07 2002
From: MPlunkett at MSA.com (Plunkett, Matt)
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:57:07 2002
Subject: [thelist] onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.
	out" ?
Message-ID: <E5C785D03A1ED511B54F00508BB1E968011C1BA5@IRONBARK.msais.com>

You could define a top level JavaScript variable and check whether it is
true or false in a handler for your onclick.  Just set bBusy to true when
your page is busy.  I don't think you can "grey out" a normal button, but
you could easily make a button-like div whose style you changed when bBusy
was true...then you could just remove the else below.

<input type="button" OnClick="do_submit()">

<script>
	var bBusy = false;

	function do_submit()
	{
		if (!bBusy) { yourform.submit(); }
		else { alert("Wait a durn second there."); }
	}
</script>

-----Original Message-----
From: Dunstan Orchard [mailto:dunstan at 1976design.com]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:48 AM
To: evolt list
Subject: [thelist]
onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?


Hey there,

I have a form where people can upload images.
Some of the images are quite big and take about 30 seconds to upload (mind
you, that's probably cause I'm connecting at a blistering 44k).

I am worried that someone will click 'submit' a second, third or fourth time
during this upload time, thinking that the process isn't working (as my
parents are want to do - "STOP CLICKING MUM, IT'S WORKING!"), thus
submitting
multiple copies of the form, or screwing things up generally.

Is there a bit of JS that will say
onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?


Once the images have uploaded the page reloads so I guess the button would
return to normal again.

Thanks very much - dunstan

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From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 23 11:00:01 2002
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Mon Sep 23 11:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Web standards (was: The Web's future: XHTML 2.0)
Message-ID: <F714ltFlmmlQ080Gxw800003a62@hotmail.com>


>PPK> However, many people are confusing two things:
>PPK> 1) The idea that there ought to be standards that everyone follows.
>PPK> 2) The actual standards themselves.
>PPK> The great attention that WaSP and other involved parties have given to
>point
>PPK> 1 by convincing everyone that standards are there to be followed,
>means that
>PPK> point 2 gets no attention at all.
>
>The actual standards get no attention at all? Who is not paying
>attention?

People writing about webstandards and why they are a good idea (and in
general they *are* a good idea, don't get me wrong).

What I mean is that in the current standards-debate, as soon as you say a
specific detail of the standards is vague or wrong, people react as if you
said no one should use standards and standardization is worthless.

>If you think that someone just dreams all these standards up, go join
>a W3C mailing list and see for yourself.
>
>PPK> In fact, whenever someone (me, for instance) says that this or that
>detail
>PPK> of the standards is wrong, too complicated or whatever, other people
>see
>PPK> this as a denial of the fact that there ought to be standards. Not so.
>
>People have been ignoring large swaths of the standards since html 2.

And the reason is that the standards don't give them what they want/need.
The reason is *not* that they think there shouldn't be standards at all.

That's my point.

>PPK> W3C has done a great job in inventing CSS and it deserves to be a
>standard.
>PPK> Nonetheless I think there are some errors in the CSS spec, for
>instance:
>PPK> - the box model is completely illogical
>
>CSS is a different topic altogether but saying that the box model is
>illogical is completely illogical to me, to me it's like saying milk
>that is white is illogical.

Take a physical box, any box. Put something in it that is distinctly smaller
than the box. Ask anyone to measure the width of the box. What will they
measure? The distance from rim to rim (border to border), not the width of
the thing in the box.

That's logical and sensible, measuring just the content isn't.

>PPK> - there is no way to vertical-align a text in a DIV with a fixed
>height
>
>You mean this is impossible? Wait till I show the guys at work!
><div style="height: 500px; width: 500px; position: absolute;
>background-color: #ffffff;">
>         <p style="padding-top: 50%">Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet</p>
></div>

That will work, sure, but you need an extra HTML element, something I'd like
to avoid (but cannot, at the moment).

>They will never be perfect, however as humans we will constantly
>strive to make them more perfect even though we know it's futile.

And that's what I'd like to do. Find out where the problems are and think
about fixes. But as soon as I try to say something about it, people accuse
me of being anti-standard.

ppk

_________________________________________________________________
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx



From list01 at theparagon.org  Mon Sep 23 11:11:01 2002
From: list01 at theparagon.org ({ schaapy })
Date: Mon Sep 23 11:11:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] I need to set up a FTP server on my MAC
Message-ID: <B9B4B54D.461%list01@theparagon.org>


What's a good/free FTP server that I can set up on my MAC 9.1?


-----------------
Aaron Schaap
www.theparagon.org





From williamkolean at nyc.rr.com  Mon Sep 23 12:09:01 2002
From: williamkolean at nyc.rr.com (William Kolean)
Date: Mon Sep 23 12:09:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Re: autoupdate a local copy of a site?
In-Reply-To: <20020920220848.4524EBFB8@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <B9B4C2DD.2C12%williamkolean@nyc.rr.com>

You can use Internet Explorer to do this - create a new bookmark and click
the "make available offline" box and then click on Customize and set up your
preferences and create an update schedule. IE will then download the site
for you, but unfortunately you can't move the files to another computer.
However, you can use this for laptops that are connected to the internet at
the office, but are offline out of the office. Just have the laptops
synchronize when they're connected and then use IE's offline browsing mode
when they're disconnected to view the site you downloaded.

William

> Message: 37
> From: "Massimo Mezzini" <webmaster at menouno.com>
> Organization: menoUNO Comunicazione
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:23:17 +0200
> Subject: [thelist] autoupdate a local copy of a site?
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>
> Hi;
>
> one of my customers would like to have a local copy of his website to
> be accessed by the staff - even by those that don't have Internet
> access.
>
> Is there a Windows program that could automatically check the files
> on the site at set intervals and update the local copies whenever it
> finds a newer one on the server?
>
> Thanks, ciao
>
>
> Massimo



From szh at softhome.net  Mon Sep 23 12:26:01 2002
From: szh at softhome.net (Syed Zeeshan Haider)
Date: Mon Sep 23 12:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Netscape and Opera are slower than IE with JS
Message-ID: <001401c26326$779118a0$4d0987cb@haidersystem>

Hello Experts,
I have run my very slow JavaScript code with Netscape and Opera but I have
noticed that its execution time is much more with these browsers than with
Internet Explorer. Any Ideas?
Here is the code:
<script type="JavaScript">
function searchThem()
{
// All rights reserved for Syed Zeeshan Haider <szh at softhome.net>
var keys=new Array() //keywords         length>100
var title=new Array()                            length>100
var urls=new Array()                            length>100
var mts=new Array()  //matches            length>100
var rsts=new Array() //results                length>100
var cResult=new Array()
var ftb     //for time being
var ccr=0    //critical counter
var wlc=0    //while loop counter
var gtr     //greater
var chk=0
var lets=true
if(document.schfrm.kws.value.indexOf("+")!=-1)
 {
 alert("Do not use \"+\" sign in your search keywords.\n\nYou can use spaces
instead.")
 }
if(document.schfrm.kws.value.indexOf("  ")!=-1)
 {
 alert("Do not use more than one spaces in any two words. Always use single
space.")
 }
if(document.schfrm.kws.value=="")
 {
 alert("The search field is empty. There are no keywords to search.")
 }
if(document.schfrm.kws.value.indexOf(" ")==0 &&
document.schfrm.kws.value.length==1)
 {
 alert("Invalid Keywords!")
 lets=false
 }
if(document.schfrm.kws.value.indexOf("+")==-1 &&
document.schfrm.kws.value.indexOf("  ")==-1 && document.schfrm.kws.value!="" &&
lets==true)
 {
 var given=document.schfrm.kws.value.toLowerCase()
 given=given.split(" ")
 for(i=0;i<keys.length;i++)
  {
  for(j=0;j<given.length;j++)
   {
   if(keys[i].indexOf(given[j])!=-1)
    {
    mts[i]++
    }
   }
  }
  for(f=0;f<mts.length;f++)
   {
   chk+=mts[f]
   }
  if(chk==0)
   {
   return noRST()
   }
  //sorter starts here
 while(wlc<keys.length)
  {
  for(k=0;k<mts.length;k++)
   {
   gtr=mts[0]
   for(kl=0;kl<mts.length;kl++)
    {
    if(gtr<=mts[kl] && mts[kl]!=0)
     {
     gtr=mts[kl]
     rsts[ccr]=mts[kl]+","+title[kl]+","+urls[kl]
     ftb=kl
     }
    }
    ccr++
   mts[ftb]=0
   }
  wlc++
  }
  //sorter ends here
 for(i=0;i<rsts.length;i++)
  {
  cResult[i]=rsts[i].split(",")
  }
 if(navigator.appName=="Netscape")
  {
  rstWin=window.open("","RSTwin")
  }
 else
  {
  rstWin=self
  }
 rstWin.document.write() //writes the results here
}
 function noRST()
  {
  alert("No result found")
  }
}
</script>

Thank you,

Syed Zeeshan Haider.
http://syedzeeshanhaider.faithweb.com/



From TonyLight at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 12:44:01 2002
From: TonyLight at blueyonder.co.uk (Tony Light)
Date: Mon Sep 23 12:44:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?
Message-ID: <00d201c26329$7cd15de0$777ba8c0@athlon>

--
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Dunstan,

As well as any javascript to prevent the button being pressed twice, consider trapping this at the server as well.
After all, not everyone has js on (as I'm sure someone in this forum might have mentioned once a long time ago!).

A simple way to do this would be to generate a unique key to identify each form on your page.  If you involve a really precise current date/time and concatenate that with the form name, that should do it.
You could put this in a hidden field on the form.

When the form is submitted, take this hidden key and write it to a table.  The only field the table needs is a primary key long enough to hold these keys you are generating.
(You can hold more info if it would be useful - but just the one field is all you need).

If the write succeeds - then it is the first time this instance of the form has been submitted.
If it fails because of a duplicate primary key, then the form has already been submitted.
Branch your code accordingly.

HTH
    Tony.
--



From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 12:50:00 2002
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon Sep 23 12:50:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] UK based hosting - reseller accounts
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAAEFIKBAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

Hi all,

I'm seriously considering plunging into getting a hosting reseller
account, not to make oodles of cash, but more to save on hosting costs
for several domains that individually cost more than a reasonable
reseller deal.  (extra income would be a bonus)

Anyone got any thoughts on a decent hosting company with a reasonably
priced reseller package (*nix based)

I found this:

http://www.whichhosts.com/reseller_hosting.php?sort_style=21|fwd&os=

and like the look of:

http://www.donhost.co.uk/products/resellerunix.html


anyone got any personal experiences they want to share (about reseller
hosting preferably)

Thanks

Tony




From kalos at carolina.rr.com  Mon Sep 23 13:11:01 2002
From: kalos at carolina.rr.com (Benjamin)
Date: Mon Sep 23 13:11:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Re: Can Apache put only certain codes in log files?
In-Reply-To: <20020923170313.71292BFE8@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020923130907.00a75f70@pop-server.carolina.rr.com>

The virtual hosts info is great, if you have them.  The page you refer to
does have a section about Conditional Logging (
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/logs.html#conditional ) but nothing related to
what the original question was about.  The SetEnvIf has no conditionals for
HTTP Status in the log file (
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_setenvif.html ).  A search on Google
for [apache "conditional logging" "status code"] was unfruitful as well
unfortunately.  At the moment there doesn't seem to be a way to handle your
particular request (nor my question posed a few days ago either).

-benjamin

At 12:03 PM 9/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Anthony Baratta <Anthony at Baratta.com>
>Subject: Re: [thelist] Can Apache put only certain codes in log files?
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>
>At 10:16 PM 9/22/2002, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:
>
> >I thought I had heard of a feature in Apache that would allow me to
> >configure my logs so that I can have separate log files:
>
>The source is always a good place to start:
>
>          http://httpd.apache.org/docs/logs.html
>
>Virtual Hosts
>
>If CustomLog or ErrorLog directives are placed inside a <VirtualHost>
>section, all requests or errors for that virtual host will be logged only
>to the specified file. Any virtual host which does not have logging
>directives will still have its requests sent to the main server logs. This
>technique is very useful for a small number of virtual hosts, but if the
>number of hosts is very large, it can be complicated to manage. In
>addition, it can often create problems with insufficient file descriptors.
>
>Apache Virtual Host documentation



From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Mon Sep 23 13:35:01 2002
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Mon Sep 23 13:35:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to interview techie programmers if you're a non-techie
In-Reply-To: <3D8E3781.5000103@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHGEBDEDAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> I'll prob. get burnt on this one, but I have a theory that the people
> who truly understand technology are able to expalin it in simple terms.
> Ask them to expalin some of the technology to you, if you get
> bamboozled, or they insist on pontificating "techie terms" all day then
> say bye-bye.

I disagree.  There are some tech types who have excellent tech
skills, but poor communication skills.  Kind of like that college
professor who won the Nobel prize, but was unintelligible to the
mere mortals who spent three hours a week with him/her in the
lecture hall.

In this case, though, your strategy is right on, because the
requirement is for both tech and communication skills.

Regards,

  Ed

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From MPlunkett at MSA.com  Mon Sep 23 13:42:00 2002
From: MPlunkett at MSA.com (Plunkett, Matt)
Date: Mon Sep 23 13:42:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Netscape and Opera are slower than IE with JS
Message-ID: <E5C785D03A1ED511B54F00508BB1E968011C1BA7@IRONBARK.msais.com>

Syed,

Just a few quick thoughts..didn't look at this very carefully.

Your vars for title and urls don't have a comment before the length > 100.

You might want to consider allocating the size of your arrays before hand.
This often speeds up the javascript somewhat.

var keys = new Array(200); //keywords         length>100

Instead of admonishing your users not to input more than one space...why not
do your split on one or more spaces?

given = given.split(/\s+/);

You could also throw the plus sign in there if you wanted.

given = given.split(/[\s\+]+/);

HTH,
Matt


From Anthony at Baratta.com  Mon Sep 23 13:47:01 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon Sep 23 13:47:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Re: Can Apache put only certain codes in log
  files?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020923130907.00a75f70@pop-server.carolina.rr.
 com>
References: <20020923170313.71292BFE8@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020923112722.01b68148@baratta.com>

At 11:11 AM 9/23/2002, Benjamin wrote:
>A search on Google
>for [apache "conditional logging" "status code"] was unfruitful as well
>unfortunately.  At the moment there doesn't seem to be a way to handle your
>particular request (nor my question posed a few days ago either).

Properly configured, Apache should have all errors recorded to the ErrorLog.

e.g.

Outside of the virtual host directive....

    ErrorLog /dir/path/to/logs/error_log

Will be the defaut location for the server. You must have write access to
the target directory for the user that Apache runs as for this file to be
created and written to.

Inside the virtual host directive....

<VirtualHost 123.123.123.123:80>
         ServerAdmin root at foo.com
         ServerName www.foo.com
         ServerAlias foo.com
         DocumentRoot /path/to/dir/foo.com
         ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/path/to/dir/foo.com/cgi-bin/"
         ErrorLog /path/to/dir/logs/foo-error.log
         CustomLog /path/to/dir/logs/foo-access.log common
</VirtualHost>

This will create an Access log and an Error log just for the target virtual
web service.

Apache does not support breaking out by Error Code, not does it support
filtering what is written to the Access log out side of the formatting
options for the Log Format.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_log_config.html#customlog
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_log_config.html#formats

What I think both of you are attempting to do is forego using log analysis
software and micro manage your log files. While on the surface this appears
to be a good thing (tm), I think you are focusing too much on a particular
tree type and not utilizing the bio-diversity of the forest (e.g. access
and error logs) to your advantage.

Check out web analysis software like analog ( http://www.analog.cx/ ) and
webalizer ( http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/ ).

You'll be much happier in the long run.
--
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From linda at ancientforest.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 13:54:01 2002
From: linda at ancientforest.co.uk (Linda Holder)
Date: Mon Sep 23 13:54:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] UK based hosting - reseller accounts
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAAEFIKBAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
References: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAAEFIKBAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FPFUcfFdO2j9Ew0m@fast24.co.uk>

In message <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAAEFIKBAA.tonyc at boldfish.co.uk>, Tony
Crockford <tonyc at boldfish.co.uk> writes
>Hi all,
>
>I'm seriously considering plunging into getting a hosting reseller
>account, not to make oodles of cash, but more to save on hosting costs
>for several domains that individually cost more than a reasonable
>reseller deal.  (extra income would be a bonus)
>
>Anyone got any thoughts on a decent hosting company with a reasonably
>priced reseller package (*nix based)
>
I use these people:

http://www.splashhost.co.uk/reselling.htm

Bronze Reseller Plan
Host 60 Domains
1000mb Space
15gb Data Transfer
?20/month ?200/year (no VAT on that)
RedHat Linux

Very friendly 2-man band. Servers are in Dallas, but the 'main man'
(Alan) is in Scotland. Very willing to help if (like I was) you haven't
a clue what you're doing! There's also a friendly forum which has given
me answers to questions on many occasions.

Uptime generally good - I've not been with them that long, and there
have been a couple of outages, one lasting a few hours, but the speed
and level of service you get from them outweighed that for me by far. (I
once sent them an email with a technical question at 9pm - I had an
answer within an hour - I don't think he ever sleeps!).

Hope this helps :)
--
Linda Holder


From dmah at members.evolt.org  Mon Sep 23 14:04:07 2002
From: dmah at members.evolt.org (Dean Mah)
Date: Mon Sep 23 14:04:07 2002
Subject: [thelist] Request for Community News
Message-ID: <20020923190241.GA2024@alice.cg.shawcable.net>

Hi all,

Just a reminder that the end of September is coming up and we're
looking for community news for the month.

If there's an achievement that you're proud of, seen evolt.org listed
somewhere, had a beervolt, or anything of interest to the community at
large.  Please submit it at:

   http://evolt.org/contact/index.html

or e-mail me and I'll make sure that it gets added.

Thanks,
Dean

- on behalf of evolt.org -



From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Sep 23 14:22:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon Sep 23 14:22:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to interview techie programmers if you're a non-techie
References: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHGEBDEDAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <076801c26336$64dbb7a0$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed McCarroll" <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:34 PM


> > I'll prob. get burnt on this one, but I have a theory that the people
> > who truly understand technology are able to expalin it in simple terms.
> > Ask them to expalin some of the technology to you, if you get
> > bamboozled, or they insist on pontificating "techie terms" all day then
> > say bye-bye.
>
> I disagree.  There are some tech types who have excellent tech
> skills, but poor communication skills.  Kind of like that college
> professor who won the Nobel prize, but was unintelligible to the
> mere mortals who spent three hours a week with him/her in the
> lecture hall.

While I agree with your observation that some tech types do not have refined
communications skills, I believe your example does not adequately mirror the
point against which you are arguing.  The professor was not asked to explain
it using non-technical terminology.  Indeed, the professor gave the lecture
assuming the audience had a baseline knowledge of the subject matter.
Therefore, your example does not meet the requirement for a proof by
contradiction.

-joshua



From ajlist at mindseye.com  Mon Sep 23 14:33:00 2002
From: ajlist at mindseye.com (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Mon Sep 23 14:33:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to interview techie programmers if you're a
	non-techie
In-Reply-To: <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse>
References: <F87Q20qXW2bbUk5O91f00000f3b@hotmail.com> 
	<000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse>
Message-ID: <1032810067.1477.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>

If you read the Slashdot thread, you'd probably see this link mentioned
once or twice:

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html

Hands down the best article I've ever read on interviewing, from both a
interviewee and an interviewer standpoint.

AJ

> There was a discussion of this recently at Slashdot. Visit
> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/21/1759242&mode=thread&tid=129
> for a lot of really good ideas, and even a few laughs! I found a lot of
> things there that I found helpful anyway.
>




From Jim at JimRhodes.Net  Mon Sep 23 14:46:01 2002
From: Jim at JimRhodes.Net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Mon Sep 23 14:46:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window / page
In-Reply-To: <1032810067.1477.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse>
 <F87Q20qXW2bbUk5O91f00000f3b@hotmail.com>
 <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020923154216.03629f90@mail.jimrhodes.net>

Hello,

I am looking for an HTML or Javascript method to automatically close a web
page x seconds after it has loaded.

I have an application that launches a web page with object tags that
launches an application.  After the application has launched
the object tag web page just sits there and confuses the user.  I would
like to have it automatically close without
interaction by the user after x seconds.

If I cannot do that I would like to have the object tag page that is first
opened, open as small as possible.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Jim



From dm at lgcy.com  Mon Sep 23 15:17:01 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:17:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
Message-ID: <000501c26346$7d7ba170$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

Just talked to the people that I host my domain on about php support. They
tell me that I will have to pay double what I pay now if I want php support.
They are already charging me the "business rate" even though I'm not a
business. I registered the domain through them although I have total rights
to it. I'm assuming that means that I can move it anytime that I want. The
upshot of this is I'm wondering if anyone here has a suggestion as to where
I could find a good, reliable host that supports php and is reasonably
priced. Also, since I'm somewhat new to all of this, I'm wondering just what
the logistics are in moving a site to another host. Any help would be
appreciated.

Peace,
Daniel Medley
Feeling more like I do now than I did before
at http://www.lobowalk.com




From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 15:25:01 2002
From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
In-Reply-To: <000501c26346$7d7ba170$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEBIDMAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>

mopving to another host is very straightforward, you just need to change your
ISPTAG and then point your name servers in the right direction.  In some
circumastances changing the ISPTAG isn't necessary but where ever the site is
residing at the moment it sounds like you will get charged a  redirection fee.

Where abouts are you based?

If you are in the uk I would setup an account with 123-reg and tansfer your
domain in and then change the name servers to the new hosting company.

What are you specifically looking for regarding php?

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Medley
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:17
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.


Just talked to the people that I host my domain on about php support. They
tell me that I will have to pay double what I pay now if I want php support.
They are already charging me the "business rate" even though I'm not a
business. I registered the domain through them although I have total rights
to it. I'm assuming that means that I can move it anytime that I want. The
upshot of this is I'm wondering if anyone here has a suggestion as to where
I could find a good, reliable host that supports php and is reasonably
priced. Also, since I'm somewhat new to all of this, I'm wondering just what
the logistics are in moving a site to another host. Any help would be
appreciated.

Peace,
Daniel Medley
Feeling more like I do now than I did before
at http://www.lobowalk.com


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From spambait at onpointsolutions.com  Mon Sep 23 15:33:01 2002
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:33:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
References: <000501c26346$7d7ba170$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <003c01c26340$6729e1d0$0100a8c0@OFFICE>

I don't code PHP but a host I use frequently supports it: www.he.net.

They've excellent 24/7, knowledgeable (!) tech support and pretty
reasonable pricing, starting at $10/mo. (which includes php and
mySQL).

As for moving a domain to a new host, simply tell your domain
registrar what new DNS numbers to associate with the domain. So, as an
example, instead of these DNS numbers:

ns1.oldhost.com
ns2.oldhost.com

You'd update your domain record to have these:

ns1.newhost.com
ns2.newhost.com

That's all there really is to it. If your domain is registered with
Network Solutions, you might experience some bureacratic red tape in
getting that or anything else done. Still, it's an easy process. Be
sure to let your old host know when to close the account -- I'd wait
2-3 days after you know the domain has been moved to the new host.

Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
www.OnPointSolutions.com



From thelist at websapp.com  Mon Sep 23 15:34:01 2002
From: thelist at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:34:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
In-Reply-To: <000501c26346$7d7ba170$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPMEPFCNAA.thelist@websapp.com>

Hi Daniel,

I run a hosting service: http://thehostingcompany.us . The prices are good
and because I myself am a PHP programmer the server is loaded with PHP
goodies :)
Contact me if you need more info.

Cheers,
Daniel Kushner

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Medley
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:17 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
>
>
> Just talked to the people that I host my domain on about php support. They
> tell me that I will have to pay double what I pay now if I want
> php support.
> They are already charging me the "business rate" even though I'm not a
> business. I registered the domain through them although I have
> total rights
> to it. I'm assuming that means that I can move it anytime that I want. The
> upshot of this is I'm wondering if anyone here has a suggestion
> as to where
> I could find a good, reliable host that supports php and is reasonably
> priced. Also, since I'm somewhat new to all of this, I'm
> wondering just what
> the logistics are in moving a site to another host. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Peace,
> Daniel Medley
> Feeling more like I do now than I did before
> at http://www.lobowalk.com
>
>
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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Mon Sep 23 15:42:01 2002
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:42:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to interview techie programmers if you're a non-techie
In-Reply-To: <076801c26336$64dbb7a0$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHIEBHEDAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> Therefore, your example does not meet the requirement for a proof by
> contradiction.

Um,  ...  "proof by contradiction"  ...  Now that's a much higher goal
than I had in mind.  What I was aiming for was to draw a simple comparison.

I once attended a lecture that was so poorly presented that the professor
apologize at the end for wasting everybody's time.  While he never won
the Nobel Prize, he was a bona fide rocket scientist.  (And my intellectual
development has yet to recover.)



From nparrot at pair.com  Mon Sep 23 15:47:00 2002
From: nparrot at pair.com (Cleo TB1124)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:47:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
References: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPMEPFCNAA.thelist@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <00da01c26342$53ba60f0$4603fea9@nparrot>

I second that. Got very good service so far, from Daniel and Hans..
And prices are great!

Nicole
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Kushner" <thelist at websapp.com>
> I run a hosting service: http://thehostingcompany.us . The prices are good
> and because I myself am a PHP programmer the server is loaded with PHP
> goodies :)
> Contact me if you need more info.




From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Mon Sep 23 15:50:00 2002
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:50:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
In-Reply-To: <000501c26346$7d7ba170$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHOEBHEDAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

If you want really cheap (U$36/year), in California, try:

  http://www.digitalspace.net/

They offer PHP and MySQL, which I've managed to use successfully,
despite my own lack of experience.  Tech support is as you might
expect, considering the price.  But I continue to use 'em.

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From dm at lgcy.com  Mon Sep 23 15:54:01 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:54:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
References: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEBIDMAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000a01c2634b$a0dbc690$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Maynes" <andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.


> mopving to another host is very straightforward, you just need to change
your
> ISPTAG and then point your name servers in the right direction.  In some
> circumastances changing the ISPTAG isn't necessary but where ever the site
is
> residing at the moment it sounds like you will get charged a  redirection
fee.
>
> Where abouts are you based?
Based in the USA
> What are you specifically looking for regarding php?
I'm just looking to learn a bit about it via using it on my website.
Everything about my website is just me goofing around and learning.
>
> Andrew

Thank you, Andrew. I do appreciate it.

Daniel
>




From john at evolt.org.uk  Mon Sep 23 15:56:01 2002
From: john at evolt.org.uk (John Handelaar)
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:56:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEBIDMAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BEEMIMHGMNIOGNMGICNAMEOGCIAA.john@evolt.org.uk>

% -----Original Message-----
% From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
% [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Maynes
% Sent: 23 September 2002 21:27
% To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
% Subject: RE: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
%
% mopving to another host is very straightforward, you just need to
% change your
% ISPTAG

[snip]

a)  That's only for .UK domains and
b)  You don't *need* an IPSTAG to host a .uk domain anyway.

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 8933 1494       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------


From n at industriality.com  Mon Sep 23 16:05:01 2002
From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:05:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window / page
References: <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse> <F87Q20qXW2bbUk5O91f00000f3b@hotmail.com> <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse> <5.1.0.14.0.20020923154216.03629f90@mail.jimrhodes.net>
Message-ID: <3D8F7A09.20101@industriality.com>

On 23.Sep.02 21:45 Jim Rhodes wrote

> I am looking for an HTML or Javascript method to automatically close a web
> page x seconds after it has loaded.

In your pop-up html page place this js code inside the <head> of the
document:

<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
function shutDown() {
	self.close();
}
function init() {
	var timer = setInterval(shutDown, 5000);
}
onload = init;
//-->
</script>

This will automatically close the pop-up window after 5000ms, which
works out as 5 seconds. Adjust to suit.

Best
--
/nik



From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Sep 23 16:05:13 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:05:13 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to interview techie programmers if you're a non-techie
References: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHIEBHEDAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <07ba01c26344$bcf76110$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed McCarroll" <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 4:41 PM


> I once attended a lecture that was so poorly presented that the professor
> apologize at the end for wasting everybody's time.  While he never won
> the Nobel Prize, he was a bona fide rocket scientist.  (And my
intellectual
> development has yet to recover.)

I'm very sorry to hear that.  Did anybody have the nerve to ask him to speak
in simpler terms?

As an aside to EVERYBODY, if you have not read the article suggested
earlier, I would definitely suggest it.  The URL is:

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html

I have to concur with AJ--it's a very good article.

-joshua



From david at gigawatt.com  Mon Sep 23 16:06:01 2002
From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:06:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
References: <000501c26346$7d7ba170$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw> <003c01c26340$6729e1d0$0100a8c0@OFFICE>
Message-ID: <006901c26344$f4ed17e0$0100a8c0@snowwhite>

Bob Haroche <spambait at onpointsolutions.com> wrote:
> I don't code PHP but a host I use frequently supports it: www.he.net.
>
> They've excellent 24/7, knowledgeable (!) tech support and pretty
> reasonable pricing, starting at $10/mo. (which includes php and
> mySQL).

i second the recommendation for hurricane electric www.he.net.
www.pair.com is very good also.  i've used both of them for my own sites
and customer sites over the years.

pair's signup system will automate the process of setting up DNS service
for your domain name to their servers, and will optionally allow you to
transfer the domain registration itself to their domain registration
service www.pair.nic (they're an ICANN accredited registrar, not just a
reseller).  moving your domain to the pairNIC registrar might be
advantageous just to consolidate your domain name registration fees and
hosting fees onto one bill with one company, and also might be
*necessary*, if your current host is the only that has access your WHOIS
records currently, and is not cooperative in changing the DNS servers to
pint to another host.

-dave



From n at industriality.com  Mon Sep 23 16:08:00 2002
From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:08:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window / page
References: <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse> <F87Q20qXW2bbUk5O91f00000f3b@hotmail.com> <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse> <5.1.0.14.0.20020923154216.03629f90@mail.jimrhodes.net>
Message-ID: <3D8F7AC2.1040209@industriality.com>

Quick afterthought:

This will work too (and it's a lot shorter):

<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
function init() {
	setInterval(self.close, 5000);
}
onload = init;
//-->
</script>


--
/nik



From chris at fuzzylizard.com  Mon Sep 23 16:11:01 2002
From: chris at fuzzylizard.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:11:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Advice about screen readers - web, email
Message-ID: <3D8F91A4.7040200@fuzzylizard.com>

Hello,

I am doing some research for a relative regarding programs that will
read webpages - screen readers. I was hoping someone could point in the
direction of some of this technology and also comment on their usability
and limitations. From both a web design perspective as well as from a
technological perspective. Is this a special type of browser or a type
of technology that can be used with any program to read what is on the
screen?

Also, links to demos would nice. I am interested in seeing what this
technology is like.

Thank you,

/chris

--
www.fuzzylizard.com
chris at fuzzylizard.com





From dunstan at 1976design.com  Mon Sep 23 16:15:01 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:15:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?
Message-ID: <20020923211417.M17061@1976design.com>

Hi there,

> > Is there a bit of JS that will say
> > onclick="this.submit.button.is.disabled.and.greyed.out" ?

thanks for the answers everyone.

all those examples worked well, except that turning the submit button to
disabled (sor some reason) stops any of my data being submitted to the scripts
that shove it into my mysql database.

can't work it out, but I have found this script:
http://javascript.internet.com/forms/submit-changer.html

which just changes the submit button's message on submit.

It'll do the job fine, and might not be as scary as a button suddenly blanking
out - helps to give some feedback to the user.

Cheers - dunstan

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.orchard.it/
http://www.maccaws.org/


From dragon-vision at comcast.net  Mon Sep 23 16:21:01 2002
From: dragon-vision at comcast.net (Dragon Vision Design)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:21:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
In-Reply-To: <000a01c2634b$a0dbc690$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
References: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCAEBIDMAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>
 <000a01c2634b$a0dbc690$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <a05111b02b9b5350c8f39@[68.35.112.212]>

For playing no hassles and and PERL, java, mysql, C++, Python and PHP
support with no hassles try http://www.icdsoft.com.  With Domain name
already 60 a year.

I am not affiliated with them in anyway.  I am putting Dragon Vision
there when I get some funds.

At 2:53 PM -0700 9/23/02, Daniel Medley wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andrew Maynes" <andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk>
>To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:27 PM
>Subject: RE: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
>
>
>>  mopving to another host is very straightforward, you just need to change
>your
>>  ISPTAG and then point your name servers in the right direction.  In some
>>  circumastances changing the ISPTAG isn't necessary but where ever the site
>is
>>  residing at the moment it sounds like you will get charged a  redirection
>fee.
>>
>>  Where abouts are you based?
>Based in the USA
>>  What are you specifically looking for regarding php?
>I'm just looking to learn a bit about it via using it on my website.
>Everything about my website is just me goofing around and learning.
>>
>>  Andrew
>
>Thank you, Andrew. I do appreciate it.
>
>Daniel
>  >
>
>
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--
Sincerely,
Kid Stevens Webmaster Dragon Vision Design

"Warning,
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons.
They will make you crunchy and eat you with ketchup."
-Unknown Author


From mike at nthwave.net  Mon Sep 23 16:31:00 2002
From: mike at nthwave.net (Michael Mell)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:31:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Time to pack up and move.
References: <000501c26346$7d7ba170$7cca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <3D8F8806.5B62E5AF@nthwave.net>

http://www.FutureQuest.net/ is very good and affordable.
However, MySQL access is extra.
Based in Florida, I believe.


Daniel Medley wrote:

> Just talked to the people that I host my domain on about php support. They
> tell me that I will have to pay double what I pay now if I want php
> support.--

mike[at]nthwave.net




From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Mon Sep 23 16:38:00 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:38:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Advice about screen readers - web, email
Message-ID: <102780-220029123213753281@northsound.net>

I don't have time to go into the details but start testing your sites
in Lynx is a good way and read this.

Dive Into Accessibility
30 days to a more accessible web site
http://diveintoaccessibility.org/

Jacob Metcalf
http://www.8bitjoystick.com/ Press Start to Play

==============================================
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Washington's Local Internet Provider ***  http://www.Northsound.net



From jdowdell at macromedia.com  Mon Sep 23 16:52:00 2002
From: jdowdell at macromedia.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Mon Sep 23 16:52:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Advice about screen readers - web, email
Message-ID: <v02140b0ab9b53bd8606d@[10.41.1.252]>

At 3:11 PM 9/23/2, Chris Johnston wrote:
> I am doing some research for a relative regarding programs that
> will read webpages - screen readers.

The two biggies are GW Micro's Window-Eyes and JAWS from Freedom Scientific:
http://www.gwmicro.com/
http://www.freedomscientific.com/

Note that both now support Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA), and so
plugins and controls can tailor their content for screen readers.

(For more info on plugins and screen readers, see:
<http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/accessibility/features/flash/overview/
player/>... if you jump up a few levels you can find general design advice
for accessibility.)

jd






John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco
(Best to reply on-list, to avoid my mighty spam filters!)
Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/
Column: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/
Technical daily diary: http://jdmx.blogspot.com/




From bigpant at btinternet.com  Mon Sep 23 18:24:01 2002
From: bigpant at btinternet.com (BT Bigpant)
Date: Mon Sep 23 18:24:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] IIS talk to Exchange
In-Reply-To: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJOEGCCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>
Message-ID: <000001c26358$3e4a16f0$0200a8c0@p2>

Not having had the opportunity or resources to learn Exchange server on
my development setup, I am in need of some expert advice.

I have written an intranet system (PHP/MySQL) which sits on a dedicated
web server (IIS on Win 2K). This server is a node on the main network,
which also runs Win 2k. The main server runs Exchange and the intranet
is accessed via http://main_server/web_server/intranet_folder.

Some of my scripts need to send email out, but I don't know how to make
IIS on the web server talk to Exchange on the main server. I can't even
play around with it much, as I have to VNC into the main server, then
VNC into the web server from there, all on a 56K modem - it would take
hours even if I knew my way around =:o

I have some scripts that talk emulate an SMTP server, but I would still
need to configure Exchange accordingly. => I might as well figure out
IIS to Exchange connectivity and make the scripts as simple as possible.

If anyone can help, I would really appreciate it.
TIA
Phil Parker
bigpant at btinternet.com



From Anthony at Baratta.com  Mon Sep 23 18:35:00 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Mon Sep 23 18:35:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] IIS talk to Exchange
In-Reply-To: <000001c26358$3e4a16f0$0200a8c0@p2>
References: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJOEGCCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020923163004.0283e380@baratta.com>

If Exchange is setup to talk SMTP, just talk to Exchange that way. It's the
most simple and direct way. You can use components like ASPMail on the
WebServer to help you talk SMTP to Exchange, or you can use CDONTS and
write directly to the outgoing directory with CDONTS picking up the file
and relaying it to the Exchange server for you.

ASPMail -> http://www.serverobjects.com/products.htm#aspmail

Working with CDONTS ->

http://evolt.org/article/Using_files_to_send_emails_with_IIS_part_1_of_2/17/3419/index.html
http://evolt.org/article/Using_Files_to_Send_Emails_with_IIS_part_2_of_2/17/3875/index.html

Good Luck.
--
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From darren at web-bitch.co.uk  Mon Sep 23 20:49:01 2002
From: darren at web-bitch.co.uk (darren)
Date: Mon Sep 23 20:49:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] IIS talk to Exchange
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020923163004.0283e380@baratta.com>
References: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJOEGCCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020923163004.0283e380@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <888018239.20020924024857@web-bitch.co.uk>

On Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 00:34, Anthony Baratta wrote:

AB> WebServer to help you talk SMTP to Exchange, or you can use CDONTS and
AB> write directly to the outgoing directory with CDONTS picking up the file
AB> and relaying it to the Exchange server for you.

AB> Working with CDONTS ->

AB> http://evolt.org/article/Using_files_to_send_emails_with_IIS_part_1_of_2/17/3419/index.html
AB> http://evolt.org/article/Using_Files_to_Send_Emails_with_IIS_part_2_of_2/17/3875/index.html

if you're on win 2k+ (which you said you are), you can use cdo (from
cdosys.dll instead of cdonts.dll) instead of cdonts which will perform the
writing of the file for you.  pretty easy to get running and plenty of help
on msdn.

have a look at the messaging section under:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/cdosys/html/_cdosys_messaging.asp

you *should* be able to send the mail directly to the exchange server, but
if you're sending large/large volumes of emails in one go, you might get a
rather annoyed exchange admin type after you! ;>

hth,

darren



From headlines at lists.evolt.org  Tue Sep 24 00:11:00 2002
From: headlines at lists.evolt.org (Headlines)
Date: Tue Sep 24 00:11:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 23-SEP-02
Message-ID: <200209240510.g8O5A2Wk023753@leo.evolt.org>

evolt.org headlines for 23-SEP-02

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From sam.richardson at outwide.co.nz  Tue Sep 24 00:45:01 2002
From: sam.richardson at outwide.co.nz (Sam Richardson)
Date: Tue Sep 24 00:45:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Force Save-As Dialog on CD
References: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJOEGCCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020923163004.0283e380@baratta.com> <888018239.20020924024857@web-bitch.co.uk>
Message-ID: <033801c26388$8547c310$0102060a@studio.toolbox.co.nz>

Is it possible to force a "save-as" dialog box to appear without using HTTP
headers?

I have a CD that is going to go out to a design firm, and they want the
option of clicking on either a save or open link next to each file. I
discussed them using a rightclick and save, but it appears this is beyond
them.. :) I have done it in the past using headers, but this time I have no
web server, as the are browsing directly off the CD.



From shibbard at seri.co.uk  Tue Sep 24 02:51:00 2002
From: shibbard at seri.co.uk (Simon Hibbard)
Date: Tue Sep 24 02:51:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] hex colour check (javascript)
Message-ID: <341710540F08E34498A057DEE04DAAD7049528@ex1.seri.co.uk>

Hi all,

Currently have a form allowing users to enter a hex colour value which is used to update
various styles. What I'm after is a way to validate that what they enter, i check the length
and the fact that it starts with '#', but any ideas on how to check the hex is valid i.e.
#000000 to #FFFFFF.

I tried using 'parseInt(val,16)' and to check in 'isNan' but such strings as FFFFFS still do
not return 'NaN'.

I suppose i could check each letter is one of A,B,C,D,E,F - surely there is a better way?

Ideas?


Thanks,

Simon.


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From ldelahunty at britstream.com  Tue Sep 24 05:20:01 2002
From: ldelahunty at britstream.com (Liam Delahunty)
Date: Tue Sep 24 05:20:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Force Save-As Dialog on CD
In-Reply-To: <033801c26388$8547c310$0102060a@studio.toolbox.co.nz>
Message-ID: <MGEKLGHDNCCOJEHBAIKECEGADHAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>

Sam Richardson wrote:

>I have a CD that is going to go out to a design firm, and they want the
>option of clicking on either a save or open link next to each file. I
>discussed them using a rightclick and save, but it appears this is beyond
>them.. :) I have done it in the past using headers, but this time I have no
>web server, as the are browsing directly off the CD.

Would it be possible to create the CD as a gallery style web site and get
them to browse it off the CD? I assume that you could then pass the header
information...

It sounds like you're on a PC though, so I'd do two things, firstly check if
they are on Macs, and if so provide them with the information they'd need to
save the files. Then if they still do require a CD make sure that they are
able to read a CD-ROM you provide. (It normally isn't a problem providing
Mac users with PC disks, though it can be going the other way.)

kr,
Liam

## Bruised but not beaten ##



From Ron.Luther at hp.com  Tue Sep 24 08:09:01 2002
From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Tue Sep 24 08:09:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Compliance Graphics?
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0602F4BAF5@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hi Folks,

Easy question.  Anybody got those W3C 'compliance' graphics without
that little white bit on the right?

I'm looking for the XHTML 1.0 one.

Or [harder yet] 'splain me how to do this with the gimp?
I'm not a graphics guy, but somehow I managed to fiddle around and
do this for the "HTML 4.01" and "CSS" compliance graphics some
time back.

I'd rather not spend that much time trying to figure it out again.

Thanks!


RonL.


From lists at miinx.com.au  Tue Sep 24 08:25:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Tue Sep 24 08:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text
References: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPGEKNHCAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3D906789.7050806@miinx.com.au>

.jeff wrote:
 > <tip type="JavaScript" author=".jeff">
 >
 > working with forms?  trying to be a good toadie and use dom level 1
 > methods to access objects in your document?  *don't* go "the extra
 > mile" with forms and form elements.  you're only making your forms
 > unnecessarily inaccessible to pre-dom level 1 browsers.
 >
 > </tip>

Thanks for the reminder jeff!  I am too often guilty of not doing the above.

<tip type="Mozilla" author="miinx">

When replying to an email message you'll sometimes find the lines
extending off the page.  In these situations, use the "Rewrap" feature
to get Mozilla to wrap it all nicely again, found at Options > Rewrap
(from the Message window).  It rocks!

</tip>

cheers,
Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From lists at miinx.com.au  Tue Sep 24 09:04:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Tue Sep 24 09:04:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] arrow cursor
References: <AEA88F98C4C2D6119E48001083FDCAE8180940@smtmb.tmc.local> <4.3.2.7.2.20020921235815.02677270@mail.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <3D9070BF.2060500@miinx.com.au>

pandion wrote:
> But "cursor: default" does work in Mozilla... just tried it on links to
> make sure. Didn't you want the arrow?

Thanks pandy, and yes I do.

I've realised what I was doing wrong - the style needs to be set on the
link itself, not the TD or whatever it's contained in.  Thanks for your
help!

cheers,
Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From Jim at JimRhodes.Net  Tue Sep 24 09:14:01 2002
From: Jim at JimRhodes.Net (Jim Rhodes, KF4GL)
Date: Tue Sep 24 09:14:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window /
  page
In-Reply-To: <3D8F7AC2.1040209@industriality.com>
References: <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse>
 <F87Q20qXW2bbUk5O91f00000f3b@hotmail.com>
 <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020923154216.03629f90@mail.jimrhodes.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020924101244.00ac9480@mail.jimrhodes.net>

--
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Thank you Nick.  It looks like just what I need.

At 10:34 PM 09/23/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Quick afterthought:
>
>This will work too (and it's a lot shorter):
>
><script type="text/javascript">
><!--
>function init() {
>         setInterval(self.close, 5000);
>}
>onload = init;
>//-->
></script>
>
>
>--
>/nik
>
>--
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>the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
>http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !




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Email 1: Jim at JimRhodes.Net
Email 2: KF4GL at JimRhodes.Net
Email 3: KF4GL at arrl.net
Web Site:  http://www.JimRhodes.Net







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From evolt at pixelwright.com  Tue Sep 24 09:53:01 2002
From: evolt at pixelwright.com (James Aylard)
Date: Tue Sep 24 09:53:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Compliance Graphics?
References: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0602F4BAF5@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c263d9$fdfa5650$2860398a@newcos.com>

Ron,

> Easy question.  Anybody got those W3C 'compliance' graphics without
> that little white bit on the right?

http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-xhtml10.png

James Aylard



From Jim at JimRhodes.Net  Tue Sep 24 12:03:01 2002
From: Jim at JimRhodes.Net (Jim Rhodes, KF4GL)
Date: Tue Sep 24 12:03:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window /
  page
In-Reply-To: <3D8F7AC2.1040209@industriality.com>
References: <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse>
 <F87Q20qXW2bbUk5O91f00000f3b@hotmail.com>
 <000701c261d8$9359eed0$7200a8c0@clarisse>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020923154216.03629f90@mail.jimrhodes.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020924125938.036a0fa0@mail.jimrhodes.net>

--
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This works great when launching from a web site.  When I launch a link from
a shortcut on the desktop it will then give me a Microsoft Internet
Explorer dialog box stating "The web page you are viewing is trying to
close the window.  Do you want to close this window?  Yes / No.

Is there a way to have the window close automatically from a shortcut on
the desktop?

Thank you,

Jim


At 10:34 PM 09/23/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Quick afterthought:
>
>This will work too (and it's a lot shorter):
>
><script type="text/javascript">
><!--
>function init() {
>         setInterval(self.close, 5000);
>}
>onload = init;
>//-->
></script>
>
>
>--
>/nik
>
>--
>For unsubscribe and other options, including
>the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
>http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !




Jim Rhodes
Email 1: Jim at JimRhodes.Net
Email 2: KF4GL at JimRhodes.Net
Email 3: KF4GL at arrl.net
Web Site:  http://www.JimRhodes.Net







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From mike.now at verizon.net  Tue Sep 24 12:42:01 2002
From: mike.now at verizon.net (MMcGlynn)
Date: Tue Sep 24 12:42:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox
Message-ID: <00c201c263f1$a80d3060$6401a8c0@MICRONPC>

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Hello All,
I have a form that allows the User to opt in for more information, i.e.,

[checkbox checked] Yes, please send me more information about XYZ Corp.

On submission of the form, the recipient gets a name/value only if the check box was checked, the correct behavior. In this case, because the results are going into a database, I need to provide a placeholder, something like :

[checkbox unchecked] No, please do not send me more information about XYZ Corp.

How can i acheive this without using radio buttons and YES/NO? There are several of these opt in check boxes and I don't want to clutter the UI.

Thank You,
Michael McGlynn
617.558.9923 home
617.571.4809 cell
mike at reignition.net
--



From ahuka at ahuka.com  Tue Sep 24 13:00:01 2002
From: ahuka at ahuka.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Tue Sep 24 13:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133918.00b8d380@mail.cuaa.edu>

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I am using Martin's Cookie Trail script, and every time it is accessed I
get the following written to the httpd-error.log:

Name "main::in" used only once: possible typo at
         /home/httpd/cgi-bin/cookie_trail.cgi line 74 (#1)

     (W) Typographical errors often show up as unique variable names.
     If you had a good reason for having a unique name, then just mention
     it again somehow to suppress the message.  The use vars pragma is
     provided for just this purpose.

Undefined value assigned to typeglob at cgi-lib.pl line 58 (#2)

     (W) An undefined value was assigned to a typeglob, a la *foo = undef.
     This does nothing.  It's possible that you really mean undef *foo.

I am not sure that these are anything significant. The way the error
messages are written, it may be nothing. The script certainly seems to be
working fine from the view of the output.

If these are not really error problems, is there a way to stop the error
messages from occuring?


--
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From ebennett at ecasd.k12.wi.us  Tue Sep 24 13:12:01 2002
From: ebennett at ecasd.k12.wi.us (Erik Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 13:12:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133918.00b8d380@mail.cuaa.edu>
Message-ID: <005101c263f5$de18a690$3d0010ac@coawg110c01>

At the top of the script, where the line reads #usr/bin/perl (or whatever)
is there anything listed after that (but still on the same line, probably
beginning with a dash)

Erik

------------------------------------------------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Kevin B. O'Brien
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:43 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help


--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
I am using Martin's Cookie Trail script, and every time it is accessed I
get the following written to the httpd-error.log:

Name "main::in" used only once: possible typo at
         /home/httpd/cgi-bin/cookie_trail.cgi line 74 (#1)

     (W) Typographical errors often show up as unique variable names.
     If you had a good reason for having a unique name, then just mention
     it again somehow to suppress the message.  The use vars pragma is
     provided for just this purpose.

Undefined value assigned to typeglob at cgi-lib.pl line 58 (#2)

     (W) An undefined value was assigned to a typeglob, a la *foo = undef.
     This does nothing.  It's possible that you really mean undef *foo.

I am not sure that these are anything significant. The way the error
messages are written, it may be nothing. The script certainly seems to be
working fine from the view of the output.

If these are not really error problems, is there a way to stop the error
messages from occuring?


--
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From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com  Tue Sep 24 13:23:01 2002
From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer)
Date: Tue Sep 24 13:23:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox
References: <00c201c263f1$a80d3060$6401a8c0@MICRONPC>
Message-ID: <002101c263f7$68dd22f0$0201a8c0@yoda>

> I have a form that allows the User to opt in for more information,
i.e.,
>
> [checkbox checked] Yes, please send me more information about XYZ
Corp.
>
> On submission of the form, the recipient gets a name/value only if the
check box was checked, the correct behavior. In this case, because the
results are going into a database, I need to provide a placeholder,
something like :
>
> [checkbox unchecked] No, please do not send me more information about
XYZ Corp.
>
> How can i acheive this without using radio buttons and YES/NO? There
are several of these opt in check boxes and I don't want to clutter the
UI.

If a name/value _is_ returned, store true in your database, else store
false.

--
Lon Kraemer
-----------------------------------------



From mike.now at verizon.net  Tue Sep 24 13:31:01 2002
From: mike.now at verizon.net (MMcGlynn)
Date: Tue Sep 24 13:31:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox
References: <00c201c263f1$a80d3060$6401a8c0@MICRONPC> <002101c263f7$68dd22f0$0201a8c0@yoda>
Message-ID: <011e01c263f8$6a1426e0$6401a8c0@MICRONPC>

HI ,
The PERL script I have returns nothing if checkbox is unchecked.

MM

----- Original Message -----
From: "lon.kraemer" <lwkraemer at directvinternet.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] Checkbox


> > I have a form that allows the User to opt in for more information,
> i.e.,
> >
> > [checkbox checked] Yes, please send me more information about XYZ
> Corp.
> >
> > On submission of the form, the recipient gets a name/value only if the
> check box was checked, the correct behavior. In this case, because the
> results are going into a database, I need to provide a placeholder,
> something like :
> >
> > [checkbox unchecked] No, please do not send me more information about
> XYZ Corp.
> >
> > How can i acheive this without using radio buttons and YES/NO? There
> are several of these opt in check boxes and I don't want to clutter the
> UI.
>
> If a name/value _is_ returned, store true in your database, else store
> false.
>
> --
> Lon Kraemer
> -----------------------------------------
>
> --
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From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 13:35:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 13:35:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE88@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MMcGlynn [mailto:mike.now at verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:30 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Checkbox
>
>
> HI ,
> The PERL script I have returns nothing if checkbox is unchecked.

in that case, do as Lon suggested and modify it so that it returns False
instead of nothing.

if you don't know how to do that, post the part of the script that does
the returning and someone will instruct you.


chris.


From llatorre at inmotionmedia.net  Tue Sep 24 13:37:01 2002
From: llatorre at inmotionmedia.net (Lise LaTorre)
Date: Tue Sep 24 13:37:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Speaking of compliance...
In-Reply-To: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0602F4BAF5@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <CDEBIIOCGHMFLNJCNNKNOELKHFAA.llatorre@inmotionmedia.net>

Hi all!

I owe a tip or two or three. I hope this counts - TechSoup.org is having an
online event this week about accessibility and website development. It is
off to a slow start but is being run by a real expert in the accessibility
community, so there is great potential for an incredible conversation and
sharing of resources. If this sounds like your cup of tea, you can check it
out at:

http://www.techsoup.org/forums/index.cfm?fuseaction=list&forum=2012&cid=117

Hope to see you there - I participated in the associated rally and learned
so much!

Lise

**************************
Lise LaTorre
InMotionMedia
Web Site Creation
Design and Production
office: 510.595.7915
cell: 510.682.6072
www.inmotionmedia.net
www.changeinmotion.com




From aboodman at youngpup.net  Tue Sep 24 13:42:00 2002
From: aboodman at youngpup.net (aboodman at youngpup.net)
Date: Tue Sep 24 13:42:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window /page
Message-ID: <18690-220029224173443507@M2W028.mail2web.com>

Javascript can only close windows that it has opened, as a security
precaution.

To do what you want, make a bookmarklet (in this case a 'shortcutlet'?)
that contains the javascript to do what you want. I tested it with my site
by typing the following into the internet explorer URL bar, and dragging
teh little page icon at the left of it to the desktop:

javascript:void(window.open('http://www.youngpup.net/','',''));

Obviously, you will want to modify it to suit your requirements. But it
works groovy.


--
Aaron Boodman
aaron | www @ youngpup.net



Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Rhodes, KF4GL Jim at JimRhodes.Net
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:02:36 -0400
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window /page


--
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This works great when launching from a web site.  When I launch a link from
a shortcut on the desktop it will then give me a Microsoft Internet
Explorer dialog box stating "The web page you are viewing is trying to
close the window.  Do you want to close this window?  Yes / No.

Is there a way to have the window close automatically from a shortcut on
the desktop?

Thank you,

Jim


At 10:34 PM 09/23/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Quick afterthought:
>
>This will work too (and it's a lot shorter):
>
><script type="text/javascript">
><!--
>function init() {
>         setInterval(self.close, 5000);
>}
>onload = init;
>//-->
></script>
>
>
>--
>/nik
>
>--
>For unsubscribe and other options, including
>the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
>http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !




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Email 2: KF4GL at JimRhodes.Net
Email 3: KF4GL at arrl.net
Web Site:  http://www.JimRhodes.Net







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From aboodman at youngpup.net  Tue Sep 24 13:42:12 2002
From: aboodman at youngpup.net (aboodman at youngpup.net)
Date: Tue Sep 24 13:42:12 2002
Subject: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window /page
Message-ID: <170350-220029224174539365@M2W092.mail2web.com>

Hi Jim, I sent this message to the list, but it's rejected it because I'm
on a website accessing my POP account for some reason.

Anyway. Hope this helps.

The reason you're getting the warning is because javascript can only close
windows unprompted that it has opened. You can get around the problem by
making your desktop link actually execute javascript to open the window,
instead of opening it directly.

I tested it by typing the following code into my IE URL bar, and dragging
the little IE icon to it's left to my desktop.

javascript:void(window.open('http://www.youngpup.net/','',''));

Good luck with that,

--
Aaron Boodman
aaron | www @ youngpup.net



Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Rhodes, KF4GL Jim at JimRhodes.Net
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:02:36 -0400
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] How to auto close an  Internet explorer window /page


--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
This works great when launching from a web site.  When I launch a link from
a shortcut on the desktop it will then give me a Microsoft Internet
Explorer dialog box stating "The web page you are viewing is trying to
close the window.  Do you want to close this window?  Yes / No.

Is there a way to have the window close automatically from a shortcut on
the desktop?

Thank you,

Jim


At 10:34 PM 09/23/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Quick afterthought:
>
>This will work too (and it's a lot shorter):
>
><script type="text/javascript">
><!--
>function init() {
>         setInterval(self.close, 5000);
>}
>onload = init;
>//-->
></script>
>
>
>--
>/nik
>
>--
>For unsubscribe and other options, including
>the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
>http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !




Jim Rhodes
Email 1: Jim at JimRhodes.Net
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From: sarah at compumentor.org (Sarah Hawkins)
Date: Tue Sep 24 14:28:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] TechSoup's latest online event: Accessing the Web--Could
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From dunstan at 1976design.com  Tue Sep 24 14:39:01 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Tue Sep 24 14:39:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
Message-ID: <20020924193822.M10160@1976design.com>

Hi there,

I'm sure this is very simple, but I can't get my brain around it:


I have a link in a PHP page that reloads that page (with all the query strings
as well) and tacks on an extra query:

<?php
$current_url = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];

...

<a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid" title="Delete this image">delete</a>
?>

And then some logic happens using the DelPic value.


I'd like to put a JS alert in there so that the user has to click on it to
confirm they want the delete to go ahead. And if the click 'NO' then the page
stays as it was.


Could anyone suggest how to do that? I can't work it out :o/


Thanks very much - dunstan

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.orchard.it/
http://www.maccaws.org/


From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com  Tue Sep 24 14:52:01 2002
From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer)
Date: Tue Sep 24 14:52:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
References: <20020924193822.M10160@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <001201c26403$cb406630$0201a8c0@yoda>

> I have a link in a PHP page that reloads that page (with all the query
strings
> as well) and tacks on an extra query:
>
> <?php
> $current_url = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
>
> ...
>
> <a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid" title="Delete this
image">delete</a>
> ?>
>
> And then some logic happens using the DelPic value.
>
>
> I'd like to put a JS alert in there so that the user has to click on
it to
> confirm they want the delete to go ahead. And if the click 'NO' then
the page
> stays as it was.

<a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid" title="Delete this image"
onclick="return confirm('Are you sure?');">delete</a>

Of course, users with JS off will not get the confirmation dialog.

--
Lon Kraemer
-----------------------------------------



From joshua at waetech.com  Tue Sep 24 14:53:00 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Tue Sep 24 14:53:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
References: <20020924193822.M10160@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <018701c26403$d0f06490$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dunstan Orchard" <dunstan at 1976design.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:38 PM


> I have a link in a PHP page that reloads that page (with all the query
strings
> as well) and tacks on an extra query:

I don't know PHP, but I suspect this is a JS problem, not a PHP problem.

> <a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid" title="Delete this
image">delete</a>

How about:
<a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid"
title="Delete this image"
onclick="return confirm('Are you sure?');">delete</a>

That should do it.  The only thing I added was the onclick handler.

-joshua



From pf at cfdev.com  Tue Sep 24 14:53:08 2002
From: pf at cfdev.com (Pete Freitag)
Date: Tue Sep 24 14:53:08 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
In-Reply-To: <20020924193822.M10160@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <HFEFLBHHCONJPCLACEIMAEGMCPAA.pf@cfdev.com>

this should do the trick...


<script>
function confirmDelete(delUrl) {
	if (confirm("Are you sure you want to delete")) {
		document.location = delUrl;
	}
}
</script>

<a href="javascript:confirmDelete('delete.php...')">Delete</a>

_____________________________________________
Pete Freitag
CTO, CFDEV.COM
http://www.cfdev.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Dunstan Orchard
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:38 PM
To: evolt list
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion


Hi there,

I'm sure this is very simple, but I can't get my brain around it:


I have a link in a PHP page that reloads that page (with all the query
strings
as well) and tacks on an extra query:

<?php
$current_url = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];

...

<a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid" title="Delete this
image">delete</a>
?>

And then some logic happens using the DelPic value.


I'd like to put a JS alert in there so that the user has to click on it to
confirm they want the delete to go ahead. And if the click 'NO' then the
page
stays as it was.


Could anyone suggest how to do that? I can't work it out :o/


Thanks very much - dunstan

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.orchard.it/
http://www.maccaws.org/
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From joshua at waetech.com  Tue Sep 24 15:04:00 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:04:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
References: <HFEFLBHHCONJPCLACEIMAEGMCPAA.pf@cfdev.com>
Message-ID: <019101c26405$6002de50$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Freitag" <pf at cfdev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:00 PM


> this should do the trick...
>
> <script>
> function confirmDelete(delUrl) {
> if (confirm("Are you sure you want to delete")) {
> document.location = delUrl;
> }
> }
> </script>
>
> <a href="javascript:confirmDelete('delete.php...')">Delete</a>

okay, I have to jump in here.  While this code works for js-enabled
browsers, it's probably not in good practice to employ this technique
because it makes it so non-js browsers can never follow the link.

Here is some better code (untested for syntax):

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
  function confirmDelete(anchor)
  {
    if (confirm('Are you sure?'))
    {
      anchor.href += '&confirm=1';
      return true;
    }
    return false;
  }
</script>

<a href="deleteit.asp?id=5" onclick="return confirmDelete(this);">Delete<a>

The bigtime benefit to this code is that clicking yes on the javascript
popup actually passes this decision to the target of the anchor in the url.
The processing page can already know that you confirmed the decision because
of the confirm=1 in the url.

If the processing page does not see the confirm=1 in the url, then you now
have the opportunity to do a full blown confirmation page.  This is great
for non-js users.

Just my 2cents.

-joshua



From kjs at ratking.co.uk  Tue Sep 24 15:08:01 2002
From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:08:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] UK based hosting - reseller accounts
References: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAAEFIKBAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01cf01c26406$1a4f9640$421b893e@oemcomputer>

> I'm seriously considering plunging into getting a hosting reseller
> account

Check out the latest Computer Active magazine, they have an article on this.

Kevin Stevens
kjs at ratking.co.uk



From Anthony at Baratta.com  Tue Sep 24 15:11:01 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:11:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
In-Reply-To: <20020924193822.M10160@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924130507.01fdd418@baratta.com>

At 12:38 PM 9/24/2002, Dunstan Orchard wrote:

><a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid" title="Delete this
>image">delete</a>
>
>I'd like to put a JS alert in there so that the user has to click on it to
>confirm they want the delete to go ahead. And if the click 'NO' then the page
>stays as it was.

in your href put something like this:

onclick="verifyDelete();"

Then somewhere on your page:

<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript">
function verifyDelete() {
    if (confirm("Are you sure you want to delete this image?")) {
       return true;
    } else {
       return false;
    }
}
</script>

You can read more about the confirm function here:

http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/js/client/jsref/window.htm#1201914
---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From mbarrett at triad.rr.com  Tue Sep 24 15:22:04 2002
From: mbarrett at triad.rr.com (Michael Barrett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:22:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] Force Save-As Dialog on CD
In-Reply-To: <033801c26388$8547c310$0102060a@studio.toolbox.co.nz>
Message-ID: <B9B6417A.8357%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>

What sort of files are these? HTML or something else?

If you are providing options to download images.. You could link to a jpg to
"open" the file in the browser, and link to a tiff file (which isn't handled
by the browser internally in most cases) which should pop up a save-as box.




> Is it possible to force a "save-as" dialog box to appear without using HTTP
> headers?
>
> I have a CD that is going to go out to a design firm, and they want the
> option of clicking on either a save or open link next to each file. I
> discussed them using a rightclick and save, but it appears this is beyond
> them.. :) I have done it in the past using headers, but this time I have no
> web server, as the are browsing directly off the CD.

--
Michael Barrett
-O^O-
  -

mbarrett at triad.rr.com



From webguy at mail.rit.edu  Tue Sep 24 15:23:01 2002
From: webguy at mail.rit.edu (Chris Blessing)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:23:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
In-Reply-To: <20020924193822.M10160@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJAEHJCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>

dunstan-

Use the confirm() function in a user-defined function as such (watch the
line wrap):

<?php
$current_url = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
?>

<?php
// assume code goes here to get the imageid
?>

<a href="javascript:confirmDelete(<?php =$imageid ?>);" title="Delete this
image">delete</a>

<script language="JavaScript">
function confirmDelete(imageId){
	var currentURL = '<?php =$current_url ?>';
	var okToDelete = confirm('Are you sure you want to delete this image?');

	if(okToDelete){
		location.href = currentURL + '&DelPic=' + imageId;
	}
}
</script>


What happens here is that you get the current page variable all setup via
PHP, then pass the image id into the javascript function.  You use PHP to
write the current url variable to a javascript variable (to be interpreted
on the client side in the web browser) and if the user confirms the delete
warning (i.e. clicks 'Ok' or 'yes') then the browser will load up the
currentURL + the DelPic attribute.

You could also use JavaScript to get the current URL, but it's more reliable
and easier to do it server-side with PHP like you've done.

HTH!

Chris Blessing
webguy at mail.rit.edu
http://www.330i.net

> I'd like to put a JS alert in there so that the user has to click on it to
> confirm they want the delete to go ahead. And if the click 'NO'
> then the page
> stays as it was.
>
>
> Could anyone suggest how to do that? I can't work it out :o/
>
>
> Thanks very much - dunstan



From cvos at netpaths.net  Tue Sep 24 15:42:01 2002
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:42:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
Message-ID: <B9B61BF4.74EB%cvos@netpaths.net>

This is just too good to pass up. I think you will instantly recognize the
fruit company this design was lifted from.

http://cableorganizer.com



Cayley Vos, Principal
office: 310-372-3086
cell: 360-303-0150
http://netpaths.net
_______________________________________________________
web hosting | search engine marketing | web development



From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Tue Sep 24 15:46:01 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:46:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
Message-ID: <37070-220029224204558718@northsound.net>

Send and email off to Apple Legal or Apple Webmasters. They would
just love to see this.
Jacob Metcalf
http://www.8bitjoystick.com/ Press Start to Play

==============================================
Webmail Provided by NorthsoundNet Internet Services *** Western
Washington's Local Internet Provider ***  http://www.Northsound.net



From mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com  Tue Sep 24 15:48:01 2002
From: mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com (matt s.)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:48:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
References: <B9B61BF4.74EB%cvos@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <3D90CF56.6DAE33F5@lightbulbpress.com>

wow. I can't believe they had the nerve to rip off the Chiquita Banana Co.!
Oh wait...

Cayley Vos wrote:

> This is just too good to pass up. I think you will instantly recognize the
> fruit company this design was lifted from.
>
> http://cableorganizer.com
>
> Cayley Vos, Principal
> office: 310-372-3086
> cell: 360-303-0150
> http://netpaths.net
> _______________________________________________________
> web hosting | search engine marketing | web development
>
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From ben_dyer at imaginuity.com  Tue Sep 24 15:55:01 2002
From: ben_dyer at imaginuity.com (Ben Dyer)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:55:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
In-Reply-To: <37070-220029224204558718@northsound.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020924155207.04ba8260@mail.imaginuity.com>

Doubt it.  They're hardly the first.

<http://www.pirated-sites.com/archive/?archive=apple>

--Ben

At 03:45 PM 9/24/2002, you wrote:
>Send and email off to Apple Legal or Apple Webmasters. They would
>just love to see this.




From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 15:55:11 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:55:11 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B2@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

hi.

i would really like to create a subdomain of our live site so that i can
mess it up as much as i want to without affecting our customers. as some
of you know, it's very tedious having to work on a live site when making
important changes.

right now we've got, www.domain.com and i'd like test.domain.com or
dev.domain.com or something like that. (maybe even requiring
authentication for security purposes. now that i'm thinking about it,
this doesn't even need to be accessible from the outside since bossman
says i can't work on the site except if i'm in the office. so it really
only needs to be an internal thing).

anyways, i've searched http://www.google.com/ and
http://groups.google.com/ with no luck on this.

some more information:

i don't know much about DNS (hence me having this question), but i know
we have our own DNS server which is used for internal DNS only. and i
assume this means that our ISP hosts the external DNS info. i.e.
www.domain.com. we use win2000 so of course we have iis5. and we also
use active directory. ummm... i can't think of anything else that is
important. let me know if i should have included something.


thanks for the help!
chris.


From paul at teltest.com  Tue Sep 24 15:56:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:56:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
References: <B9B61BF4.74EB%cvos@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <3D90D22B.6030301@teltest.com>

if imitation really is  the greatest form of flattery then Steve Jobs
will be well stoked right now

--
Paul Bennett
Internet Developer
Teltest Electronic Design
--------------------------
Phone : 64 4 237 0767
Web : http://www.teltest.com
Wap : http://wap.teltest.com
Email : paul at teltest.com
--------------------------





From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 15:57:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 15:57:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE8B@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

mac.com is one of the most ripped off sites around i'm sure. along with
microsoft.com and i don't know what else.

http://www.piratedsites.com/ has a nice little compilation of all the
mac ripoffs found so far. pretty interesting.

chris.


From essing at vdl2.com  Tue Sep 24 16:04:00 2002
From: essing at vdl2.com (Phil Essing)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:04:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
In-Reply-To: <20020924193822.M10160@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAASdkur+4xgUy1GSWmULjAOmKBAAAQAAAA9Dzvo6NJA0+ye1wu9/eOrwEAAAAA@vdl2.com>

Dunstan,

This should do what you need:

<script language="JavaScript" TYPE="text/javascript">
<!--//
	function confirmDelete(deleteLink) {

	if (confirm('Are you really, really, really sure you want to
delete this beautiful image?')) {
		location = deleteLinklink;
		}
	}

//-->
</script>


<a href="javascript:confirmDelete('$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid');"
title="Delete this image">delete</a>

Cheers!

-phil

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
Phil Essing
User Interface Specialist
essing at vdl2.com

VDL2 inc.
700, rue Wellington  .  Montreal, QC  .  H3C 1T4
tel.: 514.599.5712  .  fax: 514.599.5724
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------


> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Dunstan Orchard
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:38 PM
> To: evolt list
> Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm sure this is very simple, but I can't get my brain around it:
>
>
> I have a link in a PHP page that reloads that page (with all
> the query strings as well) and tacks on an extra query:
>
> <?php
> $current_url = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
>
> ...
>
> <a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid" title="Delete this
> image">delete</a> ?>
>
> And then some logic happens using the DelPic value.
>
>
> I'd like to put a JS alert in there so that the user has to
> click on it to confirm they want the delete to go ahead. And
> if the click 'NO' then the page stays as it was.
>
>
> Could anyone suggest how to do that? I can't work it out :o/
>
>
> Thanks very much - dunstan
>
> ---------------------------
> Dorset, England
> http://www.1976design.com/
> http://www.orchard.it/
> http://www.maccaws.org/
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
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>




From vlbmlofm at videotron.ca  Tue Sep 24 16:04:12 2002
From: vlbmlofm at videotron.ca (Phil Essing)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:04:12 2002
Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion - this time without the error
In-Reply-To: <20020924193822.M10160@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAASdkur+4xgUy1GSWmULjAOmKBAAAQAAAAby9q6c9LDUuRspRuxveg2gEAAAAA@videotron.ca>

Please ignore my last message.

This should do what you need:

<script language="JavaScript" TYPE="text/javascript">
<!--//
	function confirmDelete(deleteLink) {
	if (confirm('Are you really, really, really sure you want to
delete this beautiful image?')) {
		location = deleteLink;
		}
	}
//-->
</script>

<a href="javascript:confirmDelete('$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid');"
title="Delete this image">delete</a>

Cheers!

-phil

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
Phil Essing
User Interface Specialist
essing at vdl2.com

VDL2 inc.
700, rue Wellington  .  Montreal, QC  .  H3C 1T4
tel.: 514.599.5712  .  fax: 514.599.5724
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------


> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Dunstan Orchard
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:38 PM
> To: evolt list
> Subject: [thelist] js alert to confirm deletion
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm sure this is very simple, but I can't get my brain around it:
>
>
> I have a link in a PHP page that reloads that page (with all
> the query strings as well) and tacks on an extra query:
>
> <?php
> $current_url = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
>
> ...
>
> <a href="$current_url&amp;DelPic=$imageid" title="Delete this
> image">delete</a> ?>
>
> And then some logic happens using the DelPic value.
>
>
> I'd like to put a JS alert in there so that the user has to
> click on it to confirm they want the delete to go ahead. And
> if the click 'NO' then the page stays as it was.
>
>
> Could anyone suggest how to do that? I can't work it out :o/
>
>
> Thanks very much - dunstan
>
> ---------------------------
> Dorset, England
> http://www.1976design.com/
> http://www.orchard.it/
> http://www.maccaws.org/
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>




From dan at danromanchik.com  Tue Sep 24 16:05:01 2002
From: dan at danromanchik.com (Dan Romanchik)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:05:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Animated gifs in HTML email
Message-ID: <009901c2640d$f3864290$c27ba8c0@D9J77B01>

Setting aside for the moment the morality of HTML e-mail, which e-mail
clients support HTML e-mail but do not support animated gifs?

Dan
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Romanchik - Web Developer
dan at danromanchik.com, 734-930-6564




From michael at tapinternet.com  Tue Sep 24 16:06:01 2002
From: michael at tapinternet.com (Michael Kimsal)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:06:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
In-Reply-To: <B9B61BF4.74EB%cvos@netpaths.net>
References: <B9B61BF4.74EB%cvos@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <1032901564.2190.0.camel@lunix>

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 16:41, Cayley Vos wrote:
> This is just too good to pass up. I think you will instantly recognize the
> fruit company this design was lifted from.
>
> http://cableorganizer.com
>
>


Wow - considering they claim to know how to 'clean up clutter',
that's a pretty cluttered site.  Just imo, of course, but it could be
a lot more streamlined, like the Apple site, but I guess
that would require too much work.




From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Tue Sep 24 16:10:01 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:10:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Animated gifs in HTML email
Message-ID: <244530-2200292242199406@northsound.net>

Well I use Mozilla for my Email client on both Windows and Linux. In
both cases I have set gif animation to off. HAHAHHA. no more flashing
click here garbage.!  It depends most clients that have HTML support
also have to option to turn them off.
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From r937 at interlog.com  Tue Sep 24 16:18:00 2002
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:18:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
Message-ID: <01c2640f$53e68ae0$76ac1dd1@rudy>

><http://www.pirated-sites.com/archive/?archive=apple>

speaking of pirated-sites.com, i wish those guys

1. had listed the last time evolt got ripped off (i think madhu and i both
submitted it)

and

2. would, um, borrow somebody's nav bar, because the links just don't work

well, duh, no wonder, they've got     onclick=""     in them!

what were they thinking???


rudy



From amoore at mooresystems.com  Tue Sep 24 16:19:01 2002
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:19:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <005101c263f5$de18a690$3d0010ac@coawg110c01>; from ebennett@ecasd.k12.wi.us on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 01:11:55PM -0500
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133918.00b8d380@mail.cuaa.edu> <005101c263f5$de18a690$3d0010ac@coawg110c01>
Message-ID: <20020924161839.O16130@cow.mooresystems.com>

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 01:11:55PM -0500, Erik Bennett wrote:
> At the top of the script, where the line reads #usr/bin/perl (or whatever)
> is there anything listed after that (but still on the same line, probably
> beginning with a dash)
>
> Erik

I'll bet not, but I bet there's a 'use diagnostics' in there.

-A



From dragon-vision at comcast.net  Tue Sep 24 16:23:01 2002
From: dragon-vision at comcast.net (Dragon Vision Design)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:23:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B2@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B2@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <a05111b07b9b6863c428e@[68.35.112.212]>

You really don't need to mess with DNS just add a directory on the
server and call it test so that www.yourdomain.com/test/ is the place
to test.  It does not need a DNS change at all if you put a robot.txt
file that disallows all search engines to that directory, it will not
be found, most likely.

You could even make the directory secure with login required by
configuring the web server to use port 443 (https) for that
directory/folder.  Then /test would be at
https:\\www.yourdomain.com/test/ slashes where changed to protect the
innocent.

Login
Password.

At 1:54 PM -0700 9/24/02, Chris W. Parker wrote:
>hi.
>
>i would really like to create a subdomain of our live site so that i can
>mess it up as much as i want to without affecting our customers. as some
>of you know, it's very tedious having to work on a live site when making
>important changes.
>
>right now we've got, www.domain.com and i'd like test.domain.com or
>dev.domain.com or something like that. (maybe even requiring
>authentication for security purposes. now that i'm thinking about it,
>this doesn't even need to be accessible from the outside since bossman
>says i can't work on the site except if i'm in the office. so it really
>only needs to be an internal thing).
>
>anyways, i've searched http://www.google.com/ and
>http://groups.google.com/ with no luck on this.
>
>some more information:
>
>i don't know much about DNS (hence me having this question), but i know
>we have our own DNS server which is used for internal DNS only. and i
>assume this means that our ISP hosts the external DNS info. i.e.
>www.domain.com. we use win2000 so of course we have iis5. and we also
>use active directory. ummm... i can't think of anything else that is
>important. let me know if i should have included something.
>
>
>thanks for the help!
>chris.
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From Anthony at Baratta.com  Tue Sep 24 16:31:01 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:31:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B2@ati-ex-01.ati.local
 >
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924142524.03109c08@baratta.com>

At 01:54 PM 9/24/2002, Chris W. Parker wrote:

>right now we've got, www.domain.com and i'd like test.domain.com or
>dev.domain.com or something like that. (maybe even requiring
>authentication for security purposes. now that i'm thinking about it,
>this doesn't even need to be accessible from the outside since bossman
>says i can't work on the site except if i'm in the office. so it really
>only needs to be an internal thing).

If you don't want it public, it's very simple.

1 - Setup a New Virutal Web Service in IIS and give it the hostheader of
test.foo.org. (Of course replace test.foo.org with your new subdomain and
domain name.

2 - Find your hosts table (Win2K/Nt c:\winnt\system32\drives\etc, Win9X
c:\windows) and add the following:

         123.123.123.123         test.foo.org

(Of course put your public IP in and your new domain name instead.)

3 - Push up all your test content to the new virtual service.

Close all your browsers and re-start them. Enter in the new URL. La'bing
you are golden.

Good Luck.

P.S. If you want the URL to be public you'll need to update the DNS
settings on the server that is hosting the Domain Name for you. Steps there
depend upon who and what is hosting DNS for you.

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From paul at teltest.com  Tue Sep 24 16:31:14 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:31:14 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <01c2640f$53e68ae0$76ac1dd1@rudy>
Message-ID: <3D90DA77.4010300@teltest.com>

How do I get a type of transparency in my text background like :

http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/

If you scroll the page, the background of the text has a slight
"opacity" (I learnt that word at university) which overlaps the
background image and looks, well, cool.
Help?

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From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Tue Sep 24 16:37:01 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:37:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css 
Message-ID: <84660-220029224213630843@northsound.net>

They have an image in their Body tag.

body	{
	margin:	0;
	padding:	0;
	font-family: palatino, georgia, serif;
	color:	#000;
	background : #fff url(../images/lion_lightblue.gif) no-repeat fixed
top left;
	}
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From chris at fuseware.com  Tue Sep 24 16:40:01 2002
From: chris at fuseware.com (Chris Evans)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:40:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Image inside span
Message-ID: <3d90dd6e@fuseware.com>

I'm trying to place an image inside of a span tag.  I'm using the span
to create a nice little border for the picture.  However, under mozilla,
the image does not sit within the border, it looks as though the image
is overlapping a very small version of the span. Its on an internal
server so its not available to view.  Here's the code:

<html>
<head>
	<title>Pictures 2002</title>
</head>
<style>
.content {
	width: 550px;
	padding: 10px;
	margin: 10px;
	text-align : center;
	border : 1px solid #999;
	background : #eee;
}
</style>
<body>
<span class="content"><img src="/pics/first.jpg" alt="" border="0"></span>
</body>
</html>

Thoughts?

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From Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com  Tue Sep 24 16:40:18 2002
From: Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com (Saila, Craig)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:40:18 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
Message-ID: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C509A@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bennett [mailto:paul at teltest.com]
> Sent: September 24, 2002 5:35 PM

> How do I get a type of transparency in my text background like :
>
> http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/
>
> If you scroll the page, the background of the text has a
> slight "opacity" (I learnt that word at university) which
> overlaps the background image and looks, well, cool. Help?

This should point you in the right direction, as I believe it's the
effect being used there:
<http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html>

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From list at zettai.net  Tue Sep 24 16:41:00 2002
From: list at zettai.net (george donnelly)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:41:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <3D90DA77.4010300@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <B9B653F8.D883%list@zettai.net>

if i remember right they are using an image that is like a patchwork of
lines and transparent spaces. take a look at their css file and follow the
link to the image.

ok here ya go :) actually its a little different than what i described but
they're using an image to do that.

http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/styles/simple.css the css

the image

http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/images/contentfill.gif

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> From: Paul Bennett <paul at teltest.com>
>
> How do I get a type of transparency in my text background like :
>
> http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/
>
> If you scroll the page, the background of the text has a slight
> "opacity" (I learnt that word at university) which overlaps the
> background image and looks, well, cool.
> Help?



From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Tue Sep 24 16:43:01 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:43:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css 
Message-ID: <300630-220029224214211437@northsound.net>

They also have a gif in the background of the content div

http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/styles/simple.css

.content {
	padding: 10px 20px;
	margin: 5% 15%;
	border: 1px dotted #333;
	background-image: url(../images/contentfill.gif);
	}


I would use a PNG instead but that is just me.
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From sfmalo at 24caratdesign.com  Tue Sep 24 16:43:14 2002
From: sfmalo at 24caratdesign.com (Sharon F. Malone)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:43:14 2002
Subject: [thelist] search engine spidering of piggy-backed domains
Message-ID: <00c001c26412$74d68540$2293b2d1@oemcomputer>

Am I correct that search engines do not spider domain names that are piggy-backed?

Ex: http://www.abc.com/~xyz  or http://www.abc.com/sa/example

Best,
Sharon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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sfmalo at 24caratdesign.com


From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 16:48:00 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:48:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B4@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Baratta [mailto:Anthony at Baratta.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:30 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)

<snip />

> If you don't want it public, it's very simple.
>
> 1 - Setup a New Virutal Web Service in IIS and give it the
> hostheader of
> test.foo.org. (Of course replace test.foo.org with your new
> subdomain and
> domain name.
>
> 2 - Find your hosts table (Win2K/Nt
> c:\winnt\system32\drives\etc, Win9X
> c:\windows) and add the following:
>
>          123.123.123.123         test.foo.org
>
> (Of course put your public IP in and your new domain name instead.)

a few questions come to mind.

1. how do i know what IP address to put in? to clarify, test.foo.org
would be a different ip address than foo.org. where do i get the
test.foo.org ip address? do i assign my own in IIS? test.foo.org and
foo.org would be on the same box.

1a. if i *do* assign my own ip address, i should choose an open internal
ip address correct? i.e. 10.0.0.153 ?
1b. you said "Of course put your public IP in and your new domain name
instead." did you make a mistake when you said "public IP"? should it
not be my the internal ip address i assigned it? (assuming i, in fact,
do assign the ip address.)

> 3 - Push up all your test content to the new virtual service.

is there some schnappy way of doing this besides copying everything
through Explorer? basically i'd like to make sure a mirror of the site
as it is right now is created. and another thing, can two sites use the
same DSN?


thanks,
chris.


From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Tue Sep 24 16:48:08 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:48:08 2002
Subject: [thelist] Image inside span
Message-ID: <42820-220029224214739984@northsound.net>

I have two things to suggest.

1.Try a div tag instead of a span.

2. Put the height and width of the image so the browser knows what
size to render it before downloading it.
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From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Tue Sep 24 16:52:00 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:52:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] search engine spidering of piggy-backed domains
Message-ID: <226260-22002922421512953@northsound.net>

No most search engines will start in the front page and follow all
the text based links. Flash and Javascript based links are ignored.
If you have a link to them they will get indexed. If you have content
you are trying to hide from Google. you should put a no robots meta
tag in your head tag.
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From john at evolt.org.uk  Tue Sep 24 16:53:01 2002
From: john at evolt.org.uk (John Handelaar)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:53:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B4@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <BEEMIMHGMNIOGNMGICNAGEAFCJAA.john@evolt.org.uk>

% -----Original Message-----
% From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
% [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Chris W. Parker
% Sent: 24 September 2002 22:47
% To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
% Subject: RE: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
%
% a few questions come to mind.
%
% 1. how do i know what IP address to put in? to clarify, test.foo.org
% would be a different ip address than foo.org. where do i get the
% test.foo.org ip address?

Use whatever IP address the IIS server already has.

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From paul at teltest.com  Tue Sep 24 16:56:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:56:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C509A@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <3D90E05F.7060207@teltest.com>

Thanks for all the help and links - so just to see if I have this straight:
The content div actually has no "translucency" (giving the thesaurus a
hammering today...) but has a seperate bg image to the body. This is
fixed in positon to sit over the body image but provide a new image
effect (distortion / translucency etc). As it is set not to scroll, it
stays static as the content div scrolls and gives the illusion of
translucency in the content div.

?

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From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 16:57:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:57:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE8E@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Handelaar [mailto:john at evolt.org.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:52 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
>
>
> % -----Original Message-----
> % From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> % [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Chris W. Parker
> % Sent: 24 September 2002 22:47
> % To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> % Subject: RE: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
> %
> % a few questions come to mind.
> %
> % 1. how do i know what IP address to put in? to clarify, test.foo.org
> % would be a different ip address than foo.org. where do i get the
> % test.foo.org ip address?
>
> Use whatever IP address the IIS server already has.

ok, i figured it out. i think.

the HOSTS file is what it's important here right?

do i change the HOSTS file on the server or on my workstation?

chris.


From paul at teltest.com  Tue Sep 24 16:59:00 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 16:59:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Image inside span
References: <3d90dd6e@fuseware.com>
Message-ID: <3D90E100.6020003@teltest.com>

also if the image is bigger than the span width and height you have set
it may sit outside of the span. I had a similar "problem" with Mozilla.


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From list at zettai.net  Tue Sep 24 17:01:01 2002
From: list at zettai.net (george donnelly)
Date: Tue Sep 24 17:01:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <3D90E05F.7060207@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <B9B658A9.D890%list@zettai.net>

yes the content div has its own bg image, the body's bg image is the lion
gif. and this bg image is a gif that is not 100% transparent. its the body
image (i think) that is fixed.

hth

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> From: Paul Bennett <paul at teltest.com>
>
> Thanks for all the help and links - so just to see if I have this straight:
> The content div actually has no "translucency" (giving the thesaurus a
> hammering today...) but has a seperate bg image to the body. This is
> fixed in positon to sit over the body image but provide a new image
> effect (distortion / translucency etc). As it is set not to scroll, it
> stays static as the content div scrolls and gives the illusion of
> translucency in the content div.



From Ron.Luther at hp.com  Tue Sep 24 17:02:00 2002
From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Tue Sep 24 17:02:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Compliance Graphics?
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0603CDD938@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Thanks much James!     ;-)

Tip coming when I get out of this training class.

RonL.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Aylard [mailto:evolt at pixelwright.com]

> Easy question.  Anybody got those W3C 'compliance' graphics without
> that little white bit on the right?

http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-xhtml10.png



From Greg.Cymbala at Den.Galileo.com  Tue Sep 24 17:15:01 2002
From: Greg.Cymbala at Den.Galileo.com (Cymbala, Greg)
Date: Tue Sep 24 17:15:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
Message-ID: <F9229CA713C32F41B9F80DAB00D3311B155AA9@denexc04.galileo.com>

Close.

The lion image is the background image of the <body> tag, set to not repeat
and stay "fixed" in the top-left corner:

body	{
      ...
	background : #fff url(../images/lion_lightblue.gif) no-repeat fixed
top left;
	}

(It's at http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/images/contentfill.gif -- you
probably won't see it, but it's there.)

Then there's a div on the page:

<div class="content">...</div>

That holds all the text on the page.

The style definition for the content class specifies a background-image:

.content {
    padding: 10px 20px;
    margin: 5% 15%;
    border: 1px dotted #333;
    background-image: url(../images/contentfill.gif);
}

It's actually a relatively small image and could be even smaller.  But, I
think that the default behavior is to tile background-images, so it gets
repeated (tiled) however big the DIV is.  The image consists of a pattern
like this:

X X X X X
 X X X X
X X X X X
 X X X X

(Sorry, can't think of a name for that pattern.)  Every space above would be
a white picel, while every X would be a pixel with 100% transparency, or
vice versa -- doesn't matter.  (100% or 0% transparent is all the
transparency options you have in GIF format.)

This basically emulates a DIV with a white background that's 50%
transparent.  The human eye just can't tell that there are little tiny
alternating dots there.

HTH,
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bennett [mailto:paul at teltest.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:00 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] css "transparency"


Thanks for all the help and links - so just to see if I have this straight:
The content div actually has no "translucency" (giving the thesaurus a
hammering today...) but has a seperate bg image to the body. This is fixed
in positon to sit over the body image but provide a new image effect
(distortion / translucency etc). As it is set not to scroll, it stays static
as the content div scrolls and gives the illusion of translucency in the
content div.

?


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From burhankhalid at members.evolt.org  Tue Sep 24 18:07:01 2002
From: burhankhalid at members.evolt.org (Burhan)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:07:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE8E@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE8E@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <789533928.20020924175551@members.evolt.org>

CWP> do i change the HOSTS file on the server or on my workstation?

On Windows, it is under c:\windows\HOSTS (no extension, all caps). Its
a plain text file that you can edit.


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From tp at trev.biz  Tue Sep 24 18:09:00 2002
From: tp at trev.biz (Trev Parsons)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:09:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Re: UK based hosting - reseller accounts
In-Reply-To: <20020924214636.8FE5AC005@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <000001c2641f$9677e9c0$4bb8baac@x5452>

Try Xcalibre http://www.xcalibre.co.uk they're pretty reasonable and
they have plent of flexible pricing plans, good servers too.

Trevit.



From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 18:11:00 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:11:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE8F@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Burhan [mailto:burhankhalid at members.evolt.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:56 PM
> To: Chris W. Parker
> Subject: Re[2]: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
>
>
> CWP> do i change the HOSTS file on the server or on my workstation?
>
> On Windows, it is under c:\windows\HOSTS (no extension, all caps). Its
> a plain text file that you can edit.

thank you for your response burhan, however i think you failed to
actually *read* my question. ;) (that's supposed to be humorous and not
insulting.)

i don't need to know *where* it's located in the computer, i need to
know *which* computer needs to be changed.


thanks,
chris.


From paul at teltest.com  Tue Sep 24 18:14:00 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:14:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
References: <F9229CA713C32F41B9F80DAB00D3311B155AA9@denexc04.galileo.com>
Message-ID: <3D90F274.5070001@teltest.com>

are there any glaring deficiencies in using rgb values in css rather
than hex? I just find rgb a bit easier to get my head around than hex.

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From john at evolt.org.uk  Tue Sep 24 18:19:01 2002
From: john at evolt.org.uk (John Handelaar)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:19:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE8F@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <BEEMIMHGMNIOGNMGICNAMEAICJAA.john@evolt.org.uk>

% -----Original Message-----
% From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
% [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Chris W. Parker
% Sent: 25 September 2002 00:10
% To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
% Subject: RE: Re[2]: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
%
% i don't need to know *where* it's located in the computer, i need to
% know *which* computer needs to be changed.

Yours.  Server doesn't care.

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From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 18:23:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:23:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE91@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> % i don't need to know *where* it's located in the computer, i need to
> % know *which* computer needs to be changed.
>
> Yours.  Server doesn't care.

ok, thanks. i'll give it try.


chris.


From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 18:26:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE92@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bennett [mailto:paul at teltest.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:17 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
>
>
> are there any glaring deficiencies in using rgb values in css rather
> than hex? I just find rgb a bit easier to get my head around than hex.

maybe i've got it all wrong, but isn't hex rbg? i mean, rgb(0,0,0) is
the same as #000000 right?

maybe that example is over simplified, but my point is that hex is just
another way of writing the values 0 to 255. so hex isn't a color scheme
like rgb, or cymk are, but rather it's a counting system like decimal
(base10). also, hexadecimal (base16).

i hope i have all these facts correct.


chris.


From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 18:30:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:30:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE93@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris W. Parker
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:26 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
>
> like rgb, or cymk are, but rather it's a counting system like decimal
> (base10). also, hexadecimal (base16).

should be CMYK, my mistake. (just want to make that clear.)


From paul at teltest.com  Tue Sep 24 18:36:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:36:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE93@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <3D90F7BE.7040506@teltest.com>

yeh, but what i am sayiong is that it is easier for me to figure out
rgb(100,100,200) than #23ab56 or whatever. It is not the scheme I am
talking about, it is my retardedness in being able to figure it out. Is
there some sort of rhyme I can chant :"when it's 'a' you know its gray"
or something? :)

Chris W. Parker wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris W. Parker
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:26 PM
>>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>>Subject: RE: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
>>
>>like rgb, or cymk are, but rather it's a counting system like decimal
>>(base10). also, hexadecimal (base16).
>>
>>
>
>should be CMYK, my mistake. (just want to make that clear.)
>
>

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From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Tue Sep 24 18:43:04 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:43:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
Message-ID: <235900-220029224234259859@northsound.net>

Why don't you use Photoshop or Gimp to pick your colors? and then get
the hex values. RGB in CSS might work in some browsers but not all
and you will not be able to validate your CSS.
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From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 18:47:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:47:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE94@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bennett [mailto:paul at teltest.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:40 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
>
>
> yeh, but what i am sayiong is that it is easier for me to figure out
> rgb(100,100,200) than #23ab56 or whatever. It is not the scheme I am
> talking about, it is my retardedness in being able to figure
> it out. Is
> there some sort of rhyme I can chant :"when it's 'a' you know
> its gray"
> or something? :)

haha!

sure you could use that one. i think that would work. or at least "when
it's a 7f you know it's half way between 0 and 255". well ok, fine, that
doesn't rhyme. (but that did.)

anyways, i don't think there's any difference (although i don't know if
every browser supports rgb() as well as it supports #xxxxxx).

i like using hex because i don't use fancy colors like, #4fa30b, instead
i stick with, #aaaaaa. or #40b0b0, or something simple like that.



chris.


From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 19:00:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 19:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE95@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris W. Parker
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:23 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a
> website (win2k)
>
>
> > % i don't need to know *where* it's located in the
> computer, i need to
> > % know *which* computer needs to be changed.
> >
> > Yours.  Server doesn't care.
>
> ok, thanks. i'll give it try.

ok. i tried it and i think we're going in the right direction, but i may
have missed a step or something.

1. the path to the home directory is...

e:\devsg\

2. the ip address is "All Unassigned" conversely, www.domain.com is
10.0.0.3. should i also list dev.domain.com as 10.0.0.3 instead of All
Unassigned?

3. the host header for dev.domain.com is "dev.domain.com".

i also changed the HOSTS file on my local workstation to use the
external IP address of the domain.com box. i ALSO tried using the
internal IP address of the domain.com box. with the same results.

and what results are those? when i put in dev.domain.com i am greeted
with domain.com's homepage and not my index.asp file that i placed in
e:\devsg\


thanks,
chris.


From judah at wiredotter.com  Tue Sep 24 19:16:00 2002
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Tue Sep 24 19:16:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE95@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <3D910008.70805@wiredotter.com>

Alright, you should have the following:

There should be 2 IIS website entries.  One for www.domain.com that has
a home directory pointing to the current version of the live site.

You should also now have a new website entry that has a home directory
pointing to e:\devsg\

In that new website entry when you right-click and open up the
properties and then click on Advanced you should have an entry in the
top part of the window that shows (All Unassigned) under IP Address
(this could also be 10.0.0.3, it doesn't matter), 80 under TCP Port, and
dev.domain.com under Host Header Name.

Click on Home Directory and make sure that its pointing to e:\devsg\

In your HOSTS file on your local machine (located in
C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts if you are running Win2K Pro) you
should have an entry that says

10.0.0.3 dev.domain.com

You will need to kill all running IE processes on your local machine
when you change information in the hosts file just to make sure it
doesn't cache information.

Then you should be able to go to http://dev.domain.com/ and it should
bring up your index.asp page.  If it does not, make sure that index.asp
is listed as a default page for that IIS entry.  This is located under
the Documents tab in the properties for that website entry.

This should get you up and running.  Continue to holler if you still
have problems.

Judah

Chris W. Parker wrote:
> ok. i tried it and i think we're going in the right direction, but i may
> have missed a step or something.
>
> 1. the path to the home directory is...
>
> e:\devsg\
>
> 2. the ip address is "All Unassigned" conversely, www.domain.com is
> 10.0.0.3. should i also list dev.domain.com as 10.0.0.3 instead of All
> Unassigned?
>
> 3. the host header for dev.domain.com is "dev.domain.com".
>
> i also changed the HOSTS file on my local workstation to use the
> external IP address of the domain.com box. i ALSO tried using the
> internal IP address of the domain.com box. with the same results.
>
> and what results are those? when i put in dev.domain.com i am greeted
> with domain.com's homepage and not my index.asp file that i placed in
> e:\devsg\
>
>
> thanks,
> chris.





From rlmcfarland at attbi.com  Tue Sep 24 19:25:01 2002
From: rlmcfarland at attbi.com (Richard McFarland)
Date: Tue Sep 24 19:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <3D90E05F.7060207@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <B9B64EAF.1236%rlmcfarland@attbi.com>

Paul,

Not quite.

There is a background-image in the 'body:' definition that is fixed in
place.

The 'div' that "floats" has its own background-image that is a "transparent"
image. I've used images where every other pixel is transparent, which
creates the sort of "milky" effect seen on your example page.

Because the image on the body background is "fixed" it stays in place in the
browser window even when other elements scroll. You can, of course, set that
image to scroll as well.

Here's a link to an example that's part of a site I'm currently developing
for a restaurant (the site has not actually been publicly published, but
please take a look anyway ;->):

http://home.earthlink.net/~nellsrestaurant/recipes.html

A caveat: Be careful with font sizes for text that you put on top of a
transparent image like these: at smaller sizes, the "holes" in the
background-image can make your text look pretty ragged. Serif fonts seem to
be problematic, too...Where are those pixel-splitting monitors when we need
them?

Richard
 --
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> From: Paul Bennett <paul at teltest.com>
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:59:59 +1200
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] css "transparency"
>
> Thanks for all the help and links - so just to see if I have this straight:
> The content div actually has no "translucency" (giving the thesaurus a
> hammering today...) but has a seperate bg image to the body. This is
> fixed in positon to sit over the body image but provide a new image
> effect (distortion / translucency etc). As it is set not to scroll, it
> stays static as the content div scrolls and gives the illusion of
> translucency in the content div.
>
> ?
>
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From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 19:28:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 19:28:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE96@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:judah at wiredotter.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:15 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
>
>
> Alright, you should have the following:
>
> There should be 2 IIS website entries.  One for
> www.domain.com that has
> a home directory pointing to the current version of the live site.
>
> You should also now have a new website entry that has a home directory
> pointing to e:\devsg\

what i did in the vey beginning was right-click the server and choose
New > Website

so now i have what looks like this...

+-webServer
  |
  +--www.domain.com
  |
  +--dev.domain.com

should i have chosen New > Virtual Directory under www.domain.com ? that
just didn't seem right since i don't want a directory, but rather a
site.

> In that new website entry when you right-click and open up the
> properties and then click on Advanced you should have an entry in the
> top part of the window that shows (All Unassigned) under IP Address
> (this could also be 10.0.0.3, it doesn't matter), 80 under
> TCP Port, and
> dev.domain.com under Host Header Name.

yes, this is correct.

> Click on Home Directory and make sure that its pointing to e:\devsg\

yes it is.

> In your HOSTS file on your local machine (located in
> C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts if you are running Win2K Pro) you
> should have an entry that says
>
> 10.0.0.3 dev.domain.com

yes, it is as you say.

> You will need to kill all running IE processes on your local machine
> when you change information in the hosts file just to make sure it
> doesn't cache information.

i did this also.

> Then you should be able to go to http://dev.domain.com/ and it should
> bring up your index.asp page.  If it does not, make sure that
> index.asp
> is listed as a default page for that IIS entry.  This is located under
> the Documents tab in the properties for that website entry.

instead of working correctly, it shows me www.domain.com instead of
dev.domain.com.


hopefully this time i've presented the mistake i made.


thanks,
chris.


From judah at wiredotter.com  Tue Sep 24 19:38:01 2002
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Tue Sep 24 19:38:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE96@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <3D91052C.2070504@wiredotter.com>

Chris W. Parker wrote:
> what i did in the vey beginning was right-click the server and choose
> New > Website
>
> so now i have what looks like this...
>
> +-webServer
>   |
>   +--www.domain.com
>   |
>   +--dev.domain.com
>
> should i have chosen New > Virtual Directory under www.domain.com ? that
> just didn't seem right since i don't want a directory, but rather a
> site.

What you did was correct.  You wanted a new site, not a Virtual Directory.

> instead of working correctly, it shows me www.domain.com instead of
> dev.domain.com.
>
>
> hopefully this time i've presented the mistake i made.

Actually, everything you've done seems like it should work.  A couple
questions, do you have a proxy server that you are going through?  If
so, that might be the problem.

Also, when you say that it shows you www.domain.com instead of
dev.domain.com do you mean that the URL in the address bar changes from
dev.domain.com to www.domain.com?  Or is it just that the content that
shows up is from www.domain.com?  Did you copy over the content from
www.domain.com to the folder containing dev.domain.com?  If so this
would explain why that content shows up.  And does the index file you
have in that directory contain a redirect?

Also, what is the path to the folder containing www.domain.com?

Judah






From cparker at swatgear.com  Tue Sep 24 19:45:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Tue Sep 24 19:45:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE97@ati-ex-01.ati.local>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:judah at wiredotter.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:37 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
>
<you>
Actually, everything you've done seems like it should work.  A couple
questions, do you have a proxy server that you are going through?  If
so, that might be the problem.
</you>

no proxy, no nothin.

<you>
Also, when you say that it shows you www.domain.com instead of
dev.domain.com do you mean that the URL in the address bar changes from
dev.domain.com to www.domain.com?  Or is it just that the content that
shows up is from www.domain.com?  Did you copy over the content from
www.domain.com to the folder containing dev.domain.com?  If so this
would explain why that content shows up.  And does the index file you
have in that directory contain a redirect?

Also, what is the path to the folder containing www.domain.com?
</you>

i type in http://dev.domain.com and it stays at http://dev.domain.com
but shows the http://www.domain.com homepage.

i did not copy the content of domain.com to dev.domain.com's directory.
the only contents of e:\devsg\ is a file known as index.asp.

and no, there is no redirect in that file. it is an ultra basic HTML
file.

the path of www.domain.com is e:\inetpub\ (we bypasswed
c:\inetpub\wwwroot\ and moved it to a different drive.)


talk to you tomorrow.

chris.


From ahuka at ahuka.com  Tue Sep 24 20:58:01 2002
From: ahuka at ahuka.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Tue Sep 24 20:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <005101c263f5$de18a690$3d0010ac@coawg110c01>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133918.00b8d380@mail.cuaa.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924215732.00b75cd0@bert.webservepro.com>

At 01:11 PM 9/24/2002 -0500, Erik Bennett said something remarkably like
(but somehow subtly different from):
>At the top of the script, where the line reads #usr/bin/perl (or whatever)
>is there anything listed after that (but still on the same line, probably
>beginning with a dash)

No, it is just this:

#!/usr/bin/perl


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From ahuka at ahuka.com  Tue Sep 24 20:59:00 2002
From: ahuka at ahuka.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Tue Sep 24 20:59:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <20020924161839.O16130@cow.mooresystems.com>
References: <005101c263f5$de18a690$3d0010ac@coawg110c01>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133918.00b8d380@mail.cuaa.edu>
 <005101c263f5$de18a690$3d0010ac@coawg110c01>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924215759.027f4e90@bert.webservepro.com>

At 04:18 PM 9/24/2002 -0500, Andrew Moore said something remarkably like
(but somehow subtly different from):
>On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 01:11:55PM -0500, Erik Bennett wrote:
> > At the top of the script, where the line reads #usr/bin/perl (or whatever)
> > is there anything listed after that (but still on the same line, probably
> > beginning with a dash)
> >
> > Erik
>
>I'll bet not, but I bet there's a 'use diagnostics' in there.

Ah, yes there is. If I put a "#" in front of it, does that comment it out?


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From cvos at netpaths.net  Tue Sep 24 21:14:01 2002
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Tue Sep 24 21:14:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP and .htaccess
Message-ID: <B9B669E5.7524%cvos@netpaths.net>

What is the line in .htaccess to invoke .html pages to be parsed by PHP

This isnt quite it
AddType application/x-httpd-parser .html



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From paul at teltest.com  Tue Sep 24 21:24:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue Sep 24 21:24:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP and .htaccess
References: <B9B669E5.7524%cvos@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <3D911F1E.4070805@teltest.com>

The line to edit is actually in the php.ini file (can't remember where).
Httpd.conf and .htaccess have nothing to do with php parsing

Cayley Vos wrote:

>What is the line in .htaccess to invoke .html pages to be parsed by PHP
>
>This isnt quite it
>AddType application/x-httpd-parser .html
>
>
>
>Cayley Vos, Principal
>office: 310-372-3086
>cell: 360-303-0150
>http://netpaths.net
>_______________________________________________________
>web hosting | search engine marketing | web development
>
>
>

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From sub at shanx.com  Tue Sep 24 21:29:00 2002
From: sub at shanx.com (Shashank Tripathi)
Date: Tue Sep 24 21:29:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP and .htaccess
References: <B9B669E5.7524%cvos@netpaths.net> <3D911F1E.4070805@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <001701c2643b$334fc8b0$0b08a8c0@DMF59>

Carl,

Try this in your .htaccess or httpd.conf --

    AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .html

The "x-httpd-parser" was not correct.


    > The line to edit is actually in the php.ini file
    > (can't remember where). Httpd.conf and
    > .htaccess have nothing to do with php parsing


Not sure if that is true. Perhaps you are confusing "the line to edit"?

Shanx




From thelist at websapp.com  Tue Sep 24 21:35:00 2002
From: thelist at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue Sep 24 21:35:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP and .htaccess
In-Reply-To: <3D911F1E.4070805@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <000001c2643c$99ce6190$7560c118@blackjack>

Sorry, the line is in the httpd.conf file. All the requests first get to
the Apache and then PHP is invoked from there.
Futher more, php.ini values can be defined on the .htaccess by using
php_value.

Regard,
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[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:28 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] PHP and .htaccess


The line to edit is actually in the php.ini file (can't remember where).
Httpd.conf and .htaccess have nothing to do with php parsing

Cayley Vos wrote:

>What is the line in .htaccess to invoke .html pages to be parsed by PHP
>
>This isnt quite it
>AddType application/x-httpd-parser .html
>
>
>
>Cayley Vos, Principal
>office: 310-372-3086
>cell: 360-303-0150
>http://netpaths.net
>_______________________________________________________
>web hosting | search engine marketing | web development
>
>
>

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From ken.kogler at curf.edu  Tue Sep 24 22:23:02 2002
From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler)
Date: Tue Sep 24 22:23:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Multidimensional Arrays in JavaScript
Message-ID: <000001c26442$46002930$0808810a@eagle5>

Bear with me -- this is gonna be a long one. Code is posted externally
to please the digest folks. :)

Let me start by showing you the recordset I'm trying to work with:

http://www.kenkogler.com/evolt/mdArrJS/1.txt

Fairly straightforward -- there's a few different sizes, and a few
different materials, and the combination of the two determines the
price.

Here's what I'm looking to do:

I need to load all this info client-side. The page will have a series of
radio buttons that allow the user to choose one size, and a <select>
dropdown that allows them to pick one material. I need to then show the
price based on the two options.

Creating the HTML page is not the problem, nor is checking the radio
buttons and dropdown to find out what's selected. The problem comes in
taking those two values (the currently selected size and material) and
checking it against the recordset to return the price, all on the client
side.

Here's as far as I got:

http://www.kenkogler.com/evolt/mdArrJS/2.txt

As you can see, I'm going through the recordset row by row and trying to
create a multidimensional array. Later on in the code (fired by an
onClick), I have this:

  alert(aPrice[10][2]);

Which should return the price of a certain sign, but doesn't seem to
work. I get an "aPrice is undefined" error.

I'm at the end of my knowledge of JS/Arrays -- where's the smart people
at? :)

--Ken



From lists at tntluoma.com  Tue Sep 24 22:38:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Tue Sep 24 22:38:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
References: <F9229CA713C32F41B9F80DAB00D3311B155AA9@denexc04.galileo.com> <3D90F274.5070001@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <3D912F57.5070403@tntluoma.com>

Paul Bennett wrote:
> are there any glaring deficiencies in using rgb values in css rather
> than hex? I just find rgb a bit easier to get my head around than hex.

No... in fact I think it makes more sense too, but I've just gotten used
to using HEX.

<plug>
RGB, Hex, and color "names" are listed in Sidebar format here:

	http://tntluoma.com/sidebars/triplecolors/

</plug>

TjL


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From joshua at waetech.com  Tue Sep 24 22:41:03 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Tue Sep 24 22:41:03 2002
Subject: [thelist] Multidimensional Arrays in JavaScript
References: <000001c26442$46002930$0808810a@eagle5>
Message-ID: <02fc01c26445$4f0d2de0$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Kogler" <ken.kogler at curf.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:18 PM


> As you can see, I'm going through the recordset row by row and trying to
> create a multidimensional array. Later on in the code (fired by an
> onClick), I have this:
>
>   alert(aPrice[10][2]);
>
> Which should return the price of a certain sign, but doesn't seem to
> work. I get an "aPrice is undefined" error.

Move the var aPrice to the top level of the script block.  By defining it
within the function, you are making it local.  As soon as the function is
ended, the variable become vapor.  So, you should have something like:

  <script type="text/javascript">    var aPrice;
    function pRec(size, material, price) {
      this.size = size
      this.material = material
      this.price = price
    }
    function makeItSo() {
      aPrice = new Array(24);
      aPrice[0] = new pRec("10 x 12",".024 Alumnium","9.35");      ...
      aPrice[24] = new pRec("7 x 10",".060 Polystyrene","4.4");
    }
    window.onload = makeItSo();
  </script>
HTH,
-joshua



From lists at tntluoma.com  Tue Sep 24 22:46:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Tue Sep 24 22:46:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
References: <235900-220029224234259859@northsound.net>
Message-ID: <3D913145.5050703@tntluoma.com>

Jacob Metcalf wrote:
 > Why don't you use Photoshop or Gimp to pick your colors?

Maybe he uses a text editor

 > and then get the hex values.

you can get them much more easily than that.


 > RGB in CSS might work in some browsers but not all

I don't know of any that don't support it, but it's a possibility.  Not
to plug again, but you can test browser support at the page

http://tntluoma.com/sidebars/triplecolors/

which shows the colors by name (least supported), hex, and RGB.  It
works in NN4 and IE5.0 (Windows)


 > and you will not be able to validate your CSS.

Ah... err... false.

RGB is totally valid in CSS:

Ref: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#rgb-color

em { color: #f00 }              /* #rgb */
em { color: #ff0000 }           /* #rrggbb */
em { color: rgb(255,0,0) }      /* integer range 0 - 255 */
em { color: rgb(100%, 0%, 0%) } /* float range 0.0% - 100.0% */

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From newsgroups at no-pun.com  Tue Sep 24 23:04:01 2002
From: newsgroups at no-pun.com (Tyme)
Date: Tue Sep 24 23:04:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] ASP debug help -- easy
Message-ID: <005301c26430$7dd40550$a8ef1fd0@toshiba>

Hello, all.

I am brain dead with this one. And, rusty with ASP.

Trying to automate the creation of these graphs from db. Yes, I know...I
should be using GetRows. I will, but for now, please just help me sort out
my loops. I'll tidy up after.

In action: http://www.allergyweb.com/test_pollencount.asp

My code: http://www.allergyweb.com/test_pollencount.txt

What it should look like:
http://www.allergyweb.com/pollencount.asp

Thank you!
Tyme





From iokey at tokutoku.or.jp  Tue Sep 24 23:57:01 2002
From: iokey at tokutoku.or.jp (my name)
Date: Tue Sep 24 23:57:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] cao ni quan jia !!
Message-ID: <20020925045557.17273.qmail@tokutoku.or.jp>

----- Original Message -----
From: "lon.kraemer" <lwkraemer at directvinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:22:58 -0500
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: Re: [thelist] Checkbox


> > I have a form that allows the User to opt in for more information,
> i.e.,
> >
> > [checkbox checked] Yes, please send me more information about XYZ
> Corp.
> >
> > On submission of the form, the recipient gets a name/value only if the
> check box was checked, the correct behavior. In this case, because the
> results are going into a database, I need to provide a placeholder,
> something like :
> >
> > [checkbox unchecked] No, please do not send me more information about
> XYZ Corp.
> >
> > How can i acheive this without using radio buttons and YES/NO? There
> are several of these opt in check boxes and I don't want to clutter the
> UI.
>
> If a name/value _is_ returned, store true in your database, else store
> false.
>
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From amoore at mooresystems.com  Wed Sep 25 00:00:01 2002
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Wed Sep 25 00:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924215759.027f4e90@bert.webservepro.com>; from ahuka@ahuka.com on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 09:58:35PM -0400
References: <005101c263f5$de18a690$3d0010ac@coawg110c01> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924133918.00b8d380@mail.cuaa.edu> <005101c263f5$de18a690$3d0010ac@coawg110c01> <20020924161839.O16130@cow.mooresystems.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924215759.027f4e90@bert.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <20020924235923.W16130@cow.mooresystems.com>

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 09:58:35PM -0400, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
> At 04:18 PM 9/24/2002 -0500, Andrew Moore said something remarkably like
> >I'll bet not, but I bet there's a 'use diagnostics' in there.
>
> Ah, yes there is. If I put a "#" in front of it, does that comment it out?
>

yeah, and it will keep those warnings from showing up.
(they are just warnings) but it may be better to fix
the underlying problems.

I think that that script uses cgi-lib, which problably
emits warnings when it runs, so they may be coming from
there.

If you're not really anal, you may just comment out your
'use diagnostics' and agree that out of sight = out of mind.

-Andy



From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Sep 25 01:07:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed Sep 25 01:07:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] ASP debug help -- easy
References: <005301c26430$7dd40550$a8ef1fd0@toshiba>
Message-ID: <05df01c26459$a313dc90$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyme" <newsgroups at no-pun.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:11 PM


> Hello, all.

Hey there.

> I am brain dead with this one. And, rusty with ASP.

I think you posted this message before?

> Trying to automate the creation of these graphs from db. Yes, I know...I
> should be using GetRows. I will, but for now, please just help me sort out
> my loops. I'll tidy up after.

If you did not see many replies, it is most likely because not many people
have the time to wade through an entire source code.  But, tonight you are
in luck, as I have the time.

> In action: http://www.allergyweb.com/test_pollencount.asp
>
> My code: http://www.allergyweb.com/test_pollencount.txt
>
> What it should look like:
> http://www.allergyweb.com/pollencount.asp

I'm not going to give you the whole answer.  There's simply no fun if I hand
it to you, but I will give you a couple pointers:

1.  You are assigning the values of x and y outside of the for loop.  Are
you sure you want to do this?
2.  You probably will find that the answer to the problem does not end up
involving a main For loop in it.  It may contain a couple smaller ones, but
most like the overall loop will not have a For loop.
3.  Your record advancing commands (MoveNext, etc) have been commented out.
When working properly, your code will probably have these uncommented.
4.  You have the For loop "FOR iType=x TO y" all over the place, but you
don't ever use the variable iType within the loop.  Why is this?

Of course, if you end up using GetRows, #2 and #3 will become invalidated.

-joshua



From mwatkins at natuzzi.com  Wed Sep 25 05:02:00 2002
From: mwatkins at natuzzi.com (Watkins Matthew)
Date: Wed Sep 25 05:02:00 2002
Subject: R: [thelist] Pirated site
Message-ID: <3B6983B2FD72CE449F92D21E1AA1F1DD634C71@SNT0SREXC.hq.natuzzi.com>

Rudy, Its there...
http://www.pirated-sites.com/archive/?archive=sfindia


> 1. had listed the last time evolt got ripped off (i think madhu and i
both submitted it)


From prosayist at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 25 06:17:01 2002
From: prosayist at yahoo.com (Dan Stockton)
Date: Wed Sep 25 06:17:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP and .htaccess
Message-ID: <20020925111608.11394.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]

"What is the line in .htaccess to invoke .html pages to be parsed by PHP

This isnt quite it
AddType application/x-httpd-parser .html"

this actually has nothing to do with php.ini, it's an entry in 'httpd.conf' but you can use it in .htaccess as such:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .html
alternatively, you can parse everything ;
DefaultType application/x-httpd-php



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From prosayist at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 25 06:22:01 2002
From: prosayist at yahoo.com (Dan Stockton)
Date: Wed Sep 25 06:22:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
Message-ID: <20020925112154.99109.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]

"are there any glaring deficiencies in using rgb values in css rather
than hex? I just find rgb a bit easier to get my head around than hex."

get around your head with this (it's pretty self-explanatory):

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JAVASCRIPT">
function NumToHex(num1,num2) {
strNum=document.forms[0].elements[num1].value;
for(i = 0; i < strNum.length; i++) {
chr=strNum.substring(i, i + 1);
if((isNaN(chr))||(chr == ' ')) {
alert('You must enter a digit between 0 and 9!');
document.forms[0].elements[num1].select();
document.forms[0].elements[num2].value='';
return false;
   }
}
if(strNum > 255) {
alert('You must enter a number between 0 and 255!');
document.forms[0].elements[num1].select();
document.forms[0].elements[num2].value='';
return false;
}
else {
base = strNum / 16;
rem = strNum % 16;
base = base - (rem / 16);
baseS = MakeHex(base);
remS = MakeHex(rem);
document.forms[0].elements[num2].value=baseS + '' + remS;
ChangeBackground(3, 4, 5);
return true;
   }
}
function MakeHex(x) {
if((x >= 0) && (x <= 9))
return x;
else {
switch(x) {
case 10: return "A";
case 11: return "B";
case 12: return "C";
case 13: return "D";
case 14: return "E";
case 15: return "F";
      }
   }
}
function HexToNum(num1,num2) {
numberS = document.forms[0].elements[num1].value;
tens = MakeNum(numberS.substring(0,1));
if(tens == 'X') {
document.forms[0].elements[num1].select();
document.forms[0].elements[num2].value='';
return false;
}
ones = 0;
if(numberS.length > 1) // means two characters entered
ones=MakeNum(numberS.substring(1,2));
if(ones == 'X') {
document.forms[0].elements[num1].select();
document.forms[0].elements[num2].value='';
return false;
}
document.forms[0].elements[num2].value = (tens * 16) + (ones * 1);
document.forms[0].elements[num1].value = document.forms[0].elements[num1].value.toUpperCase();
ChangeBackground(3, 4, 5);
return true;
}
function MakeNum(str) {
if((str >= 0) && (str <= 9))
return str;
switch(str.toUpperCase()) {
case "A": return 10;
case "B": return 11;
case "C": return 12;
case "D": return 13;
case "E": return 14;
case "F": return 15;
default:  alert('You must choose a number between 0 and 9 or a letter between A and F!');
return 'X';
   }
}
function ChangeBackground(num1, num2, num3) {
document.bgColor = '#'+document.forms[0].elements[num1].value + document.forms[0].elements[num2].value + document.forms[0].elements[num3].value;
}
//  End -->
</script>
<form>
<table border=1 align=center cellpadding=10 bgcolor=#C7C7C7>
<tr>
<th>Color/Code</th>
<th>Red</th>
<th>Green</th>
<th>Blue</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>0-255</th>
<td><input type=text name=rr_num size=4 maxlength=3 onKeyUp="return NumToHex(0,3);"></td>
<td><input type=text name=gg_num size=4 maxlength=3 onKeyUp="return NumToHex(1,4);"></td>
<td><input type=text name=bb_num size=4 maxlength=3 onKeyUp="return NumToHex(2,5);"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>HEX</th>
<td><input type=text name=rr_hex size=4 maxlength=2 onKeyUp="return HexToNum(3,0);"></td>
<td><input type=text name=gg_hex size=4 maxlength=2 onKeyUp="return HexToNum(4,1);"></td>
<td><input type=text name=bb_hex size=4 maxlength=2 onKeyUp="return HexToNum(5,2);"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</form>




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From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Wed Sep 25 06:51:01 2002
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed Sep 25 06:51:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <20020924235923.W16130@cow.mooresystems.com>
Message-ID: <000901c26489$ce4e99b0$8102a8c0@000347D72515>

[snip]
> Ah, yes there is. If I put a "#" in front of it, does that comment it out?
>

yeah, and it will keep those warnings from showing up. (they are just
warnings) but it may be better to fix
the underlying problems.

#!/usr/bin/perl
[/snip]

Late to the thread ...

Just to clarify, the first line of the PERL script is a 'bash' line which
appears to be commented out, but isn't. It is the line that lets the script
know where the PERL .exe is. It is best to follow the bash line with 2 blank
lines before any script is started.

HTH!

Jay




From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Wed Sep 25 07:01:01 2002
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed Sep 25 07:01:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <000901c26489$ce4e99b0$8102a8c0@000347D72515>
Message-ID: <000a01c2648b$29cae630$8102a8c0@000347D72515>

[snip]
Late to the thread ...

Just to clarify, the first line of the PERL script is a 'bash' line which
appears to be commented out, but isn't. It is the line that lets the script
know where the PERL .exe is. It is best to follow the bash line with 2 blank
lines before any script is started.
[/snip]

And apparently didn't read the whole thread *blush*. Anything on the bash
line with a dash before it is a PERL run option. There are a lot of these
options, so knowing which you have we could tell you what they are for and
whether or not they are part of generating the errors that you see.

HTH!

Jay

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From r937 at interlog.com  Wed Sep 25 08:13:01 2002
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Wed Sep 25 08:13:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pirated site
Message-ID: <01c26494$7ff698c0$9ae6059a@rudy>

>>  1. had listed the last time evolt got ripped off
>>    (i think madhu and i both submitted it)
>
> Rudy, Its there...
> http://www.pirated-sites.com/archive/?archive=sfindia


no, not that one, another one -- http://mhst.net

the thief has removed the three little black buttons but is still using the
black tab thingie


some people, i dunno where they learned their ethics

they even have the balls to put a copyright notice on their stolen design

it's sad, really


rudy
http://rudy.ca/



From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Wed Sep 25 08:16:02 2002
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Wed Sep 25 08:16:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925091335.02e73c80@mail.idirect.ca>

A friend has put up a site in ASP.NET that works fine in IE and Mozilla but
in Opera 6 it gives me this error:
Server Error in '/KS_WEB' Application.

Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the
current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information
about the error and where it originated in the code.

Exception Details: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set
to an instance of an object.

Source Error:

An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current
web request. Information

regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using
the exception stack trace below.


Stack Trace:


[NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.]
    ASPNetPortal.MobileControls.MultiPanel.DoPaginateChildren(ControlPager
pager, Control ctl, Int32& firstAssignedPage) in
D:\Webs\KS_Web\Components\MobileControls.vb:695
    ASPNetPortal.MobileControls.MultiPanel.PaginateRecursive(ControlPager
pager) in D:\Webs\KS_Web\Components\MobileControls.vb:666
    ASPNetPortal.MobileControls.MultiPanel.PaginateRecursive(ControlPager
pager) in D:\Webs\KS_Web\Components\MobileControls.vb:654
    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.MobileControl.DoPaginateChildren(ControlPager
pager, Control ctl, Int32& firstAssignedPage) +154
    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.MobileControl.PaginateRecursive(ControlPager
pager) +89
    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.Panel.PaginateRecursive(ControlPager
pager) +100
    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.Form.PaginateForm() +219
    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.Form.OnPreRender(EventArgs e) +47
    System.Web.UI.Control.PreRenderRecursiveInternal() +62
    System.Web.UI.Control.PreRenderRecursiveInternal() +125
    System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain() +1470


Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:1.0.3705.0; ASP.NET
Version:1.0.3705.0

Is it just my browser or just his server or application?
I'm clueless about all .NET.
Any idea's?

Peter Kaulback



From n at industriality.com  Wed Sep 25 08:45:00 2002
From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm)
Date: Wed Sep 25 08:45:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925091335.02e73c80@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <3D91BDA9.9080306@industriality.com>

On 25.Sep.02 15:16 Peter Kaulback wrote

> A friend has put up a site in ASP.NET that works fine in IE and Mozilla but
> in Opera 6 it gives me this error:
> Server Error in '/KS_WEB' Application.
>
> Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

Ah yes, that sounds familiar. I'll bet that this page came up after a
form was submitted containing a <select> drop-down using the <optgroup>
tag to group different <option>s in the list.

Opera has a bug, that forbids the use of the <optgroup> tag. It fails to
transmit the selected <option>, therefore the next page is missing a
reference.

Either filter out Opera using ServerSide UserAgentString detection (this
is easy with .NET, use Request.UserAgent and check if it contains
"Opera", in which case it's probably an Opera browser) and code the
poage in such a way that Opera does not get <optgroup> tags in its page
or alternatively lose the <optgroup> tags altogether.

If that ain't it, I don't know, but I came up against this and managed
to solve it using he first method I described.

--
/nik



From katherine.g.evans at gte.net  Wed Sep 25 09:31:00 2002
From: katherine.g.evans at gte.net (Katherine Evans)
Date: Wed Sep 25 09:31:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] e-commerce resources
Message-ID: <3D91C1DB.1020909@gte.net>

Hi,

I've been asked by a client about an e-commerce site for a
small home-based business (selling crafts), and I'm the
first to admit that I'm way out of my league here.  I've
worked on dynamic sites before, but they never had the kind
of issues that e-commerce has (secure payment, calculating
tax etc).

Does anyone have any experience using pre built services
(Yahoo Stores and the like)?  I'd love to hear about the
pros/cons of these.

I'd also love to hear about any tools and prebuilt
componants out there that I could use, and how difficult
they are to integrate into a cohesive site.

Thanks for your help,
Kat



From dunstan at 1976design.com  Wed Sep 25 09:42:01 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Wed Sep 25 09:42:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows() question
Message-ID: <20020925144138.M45574@1976design.com>

Hi there,

Does anyone know why this doesn't work?


// delete keywords associated with that image
$sql2 = ("DELETE FROM imagekeyword WHERE (imageid = '$DelPic')");

if (mysql_affected_rows(sql2))
	{
	print "good";
	$del_imagekeyword_error = "0";
	}


I get told that 'mysql_affected_rows(sql2)'is not a valid MySQL-Link resource.

Removing the '$sql2' solves it, and the script works, but I can't understand
from the documents (http://www.zend.com/manual/function.mysql-affected-
rows.php) why it doesn't work when I insert the query variable.

Just wondering...

Thanks - dunstan

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.orchard.it/
http://www.maccaws.org/


From webguy at mail.rit.edu  Wed Sep 25 09:50:01 2002
From: webguy at mail.rit.edu (Chris Blessing)
Date: Wed Sep 25 09:50:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows() question
In-Reply-To: <20020925144138.M45574@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJMEHMCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>

dunstan-

Did you use this:
> if (mysql_affected_rows(sql2))

or this?
> if (mysql_affected_rows($sql2))

Chris Blessing
webguy at mail.rit.edu
http://www.330i.net

> // delete keywords associated with that image
> $sql2 = ("DELETE FROM imagekeyword WHERE (imageid = '$DelPic')");
>
> if (mysql_affected_rows(sql2))
> 	{
> 	print "good";
> 	$del_imagekeyword_error = "0";
> 	}
>
>
> I get told that 'mysql_affected_rows(sql2)'is not a valid
> MySQL-Link resource.
>
> Removing the '$sql2' solves it, and the script works, but I can't
> understand
> from the documents (http://www.zend.com/manual/function.mysql-affected-
> rows.php) why it doesn't work when I insert the query variable.
>
> Just wondering...
>
> Thanks - dunstan


From toby.coffey.liverpool at tm3.co.uk  Wed Sep 25 09:57:01 2002
From: toby.coffey.liverpool at tm3.co.uk (toby coffey - liverpool office)
Date: Wed Sep 25 09:57:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] cell spacing probs in NN 4.x
Message-ID: <MABBJCLEPDPJIHIEELPCGEDCCMAA.toby.coffey.liverpool@tm3.co.uk>

hi, i am building a table, cellspacing = 5 cellpadding=2, it has a grey
background and the cells with text in are white. this is within a web page
that has a repeated image in the background

all works fine in explorer but in netscape 4.x there are gaps between the
cells rather than the background colour of the table - so you can see the
repeated image between the individual table cells. also the cells that have
text in and have had their background colour changed to white, don't appear
as white, they are still grey.

does anyone know of any way that i can change this? i tried using a grey
background image for the table but again this does not show up in netscape

the link if anyone is interested is: http://www.tm3.co.uk/250902/index2.htm

also does anyone know of a statistics page that i could find out the
percentage of users that are still using netscape 4.x

thanks very much

toby




From dan at danromanchik.com  Wed Sep 25 10:01:01 2002
From: dan at danromanchik.com (Dan Romanchik)
Date: Wed Sep 25 10:01:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] e-commerce resources
References: <3D91C1DB.1020909@gte.net>
Message-ID: <016501c264a4$4a257c60$c27ba8c0@D9J77B01>

I'm afraid I don't know much about Yahoo Stores, but I have built a couple
of stores using Miva Merchant. It's the e-commerce software that my host,
wso.net, supports. There are many nice features--it's relatively simple to
administer (although it bogs down a little when you have lots of products)
and supports many different types of payments. You can see it in action at
www.qtb.com, my technical bookstore.

I'm in the process of migrating the store to oscommerce
(www.oscommerce.com). A couple of things that I like about oscommerce is
that it's open source and written in PHP. That means that PHP slingers can
modify it to make it do what they want it to do. It's relatively simple to
customize, but like a lot of open-source projects, the documentation is
either poor or non-existent.

Another open source option is PHPShop (www.phpshop.org). I don't have any
experience with this package, though.

Dan
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Romanchik - Web Developer
dan at danromanchik.com, 734-930-6564


----- Original Message -----
From: "Katherine Evans" <katherine.g.evans at gte.net>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:02 AM
Subject: [thelist] e-commerce resources


> Hi,
>
> I've been asked by a client about an e-commerce site for a
> small home-based business (selling crafts), and I'm the
> first to admit that I'm way out of my league here.  I've
> worked on dynamic sites before, but they never had the kind
> of issues that e-commerce has (secure payment, calculating
> tax etc).
>
> Does anyone have any experience using pre built services
> (Yahoo Stores and the like)?  I'd love to hear about the
> pros/cons of these.
>
> I'd also love to hear about any tools and prebuilt
> componants out there that I could use, and how difficult
> they are to integrate into a cohesive site.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Kat
>
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>



From amoore at mooresystems.com  Wed Sep 25 10:06:01 2002
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Wed Sep 25 10:06:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <000a01c2648b$29cae630$8102a8c0@000347D72515>; from jay.blanchard@niicommunications.com on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 07:00:38AM -0500
References: <000901c26489$ce4e99b0$8102a8c0@000347D72515> <000a01c2648b$29cae630$8102a8c0@000347D72515>
Message-ID: <20020925100541.X16130@cow.mooresystems.com>

On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 07:00:38AM -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote:
> And apparently didn't read the whole thread *blush*. Anything on the bash
> line with a dash before it is a PERL run option. There are a lot of these
> options, so knowing which you have we could tell you what they are for and
> whether or not they are part of generating the errors that you see.

He said there wasn't anything on the shebang line, but there was a line like:
use diagnostics;
( which does also turn on warnings like the "-w" switch)
I believe he was asking about commenting that line out.

or something.

-Andy




From JGreen at desmoinesmetro.com  Wed Sep 25 10:16:01 2002
From: JGreen at desmoinesmetro.com (Janet Green)
Date: Wed Sep 25 10:16:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP vs ASP or ASP.net - apples to oranges?
Message-ID: <7245DCF24646B944B6BE516574FA54FEA4E5C7@gdmp03.desmoinesmetro.com>

On another thread, Dan wrote...

>>>...migrating the store to oscommerce
(www.oscommerce.com) ... it's open source and written in PHP. That means that PHP slingers can
modify it to make it do what they want it to do.<<<

I was wondering if someone could just draw a basic comparison for me between PHP and ASP (or the newer Asp.net)... how are they different? Both seem to be for developing dynamic webpages... yes? no? I'm not trying to start a debate on your favorite technology, but, an objective look at the differences between PHP and ASP, and the types of projects each is best suited to, would be helpful.

-Janet






From JGreen at desmoinesmetro.com  Wed Sep 25 10:25:00 2002
From: JGreen at desmoinesmetro.com (Janet Green)
Date: Wed Sep 25 10:25:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP vs ASP or ASP.net - apples to oranges?
Message-ID: <7245DCF24646B944B6BE516574FA54FEA4E5C8@gdmp03.desmoinesmetro.com>

Woops... answering my own question... I'm finding this site very helpful, in case anyone else has the same question:

http://php.weblogs.com/php_vs_asp


>>>I was wondering if someone could just draw a basic comparison for me between PHP and ASP<<<



From michael at tapinternet.com  Wed Sep 25 10:27:01 2002
From: michael at tapinternet.com (Michael Kimsal)
Date: Wed Sep 25 10:27:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP vs ASP or ASP.net - apples to oranges?
In-Reply-To: 	<7245DCF24646B944B6BE516574FA54FEA4E5C7@gdmp03.desmoinesmetro.com>
References: 	<7245DCF24646B944B6BE516574FA54FEA4E5C7@gdmp03.desmoinesmetro.com>
Message-ID: <1032967675.4387.18.camel@lunix>

Thread which I and others beat to death at
http://www.sitepointforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75170
has some good points on both sides.  :)




On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 11:15, Janet Green wrote:
> On another thread, Dan wrote...
>
> >>>...migrating the store to oscommerce
> (www.oscommerce.com) ... it's open source and written in PHP. That means that PHP slingers can
> modify it to make it do what they want it to do.<<<
>
> I was wondering if someone could just draw a basic comparison for me between PHP and ASP (or the newer Asp.net)... how are they different? Both seem to be for developing dynamic webpages... yes? no? I'm not trying to start a debate on your favorite technology, but, an objective look at the differences between PHP and ASP, and the types of projects each is best suited to, would be helpful.
>
> -Janet
>
>
>
>
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !




From michael at tapinternet.com  Wed Sep 25 10:30:01 2002
From: michael at tapinternet.com (Michael Kimsal)
Date: Wed Sep 25 10:30:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP vs ASP or ASP.net - apples to oranges?
In-Reply-To: 	<7245DCF24646B944B6BE516574FA54FEA4E5C8@gdmp03.desmoinesmetro.com>
References: 	<7245DCF24646B944B6BE516574FA54FEA4E5C8@gdmp03.desmoinesmetro.com>
Message-ID: <1032967825.4387.20.camel@lunix>

On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 11:24, Janet Green wrote:
> Woops... answering my own question... I'm finding this site very helpful, in case anyone else has the same question:
>
> http://php.weblogs.com/php_vs_asp


Personally, I've found that particular piece a bit  outdated.
John Lim has some great stuff at that site, but that piece
is starting to show its age.



From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com  Wed Sep 25 10:43:01 2002
From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer)
Date: Wed Sep 25 10:43:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] UA string
Message-ID: <001b01c264aa$1bd2c150$0201a8c0@yoda>

Can anyone enlighten me as to the nature of:

mozilla/4.75c-cck-mcd {c-udp; ebm-apple} (macintosh; u; ppc)

TIA
--
Lon Kraemer
-----------------------------------------


From mike at ahnfire.com  Wed Sep 25 11:10:01 2002
From: mike at ahnfire.com (Michael K. Ahn)
Date: Wed Sep 25 11:10:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] MS SQL Server - Automated backup
Message-ID: <E60BE20600F3D0479DC8C870CD85D8E16AD7@ahnfireserver.ahnfire.com>

Can anyone point me in the right direction with setting up an automated
backup process for one or more MS SQL Server databases?  I would like to
back it up on external media (ie tape drive), but backing up to a file
on a hard drive is also a possibility.

Michael


From cparker at swatgear.com  Wed Sep 25 11:51:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Wed Sep 25 11:51:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] e-commerce resources
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE9A@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> > I'd also love to hear about any tools and prebuilt
> > componants out there that I could use, and how difficult
> > they are to integrate into a cohesive site.

i've used http://www.storefront.net/ . it's sold as a plugin for
frontpage or dreamweaver. however you don't have to use the plugin if
you buy the "merchant tools" program which allows web based
administration of the site.

as far as i can tell it's popular among first time store owners and
their web people. (i was one 2 years ago, not anymore though thank
goodness!)

anyways, contact their sales department if you're interested.

btw, it's written in VBScript.


chris.


From cparker at swatgear.com  Wed Sep 25 11:58:03 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Wed Sep 25 11:58:03 2002
Subject: [thelist] cell spacing probs in NN 4.x
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE9B@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: toby coffey - liverpool office

> does anyone know of any way that i can change this? i tried
> using a grey
> background image for the table but again this does not show
> up in netscape
>
> the link if anyone is interested is:
> http://www.tm3.co.uk/250902/index2.htm
>
> also does anyone know of a statistics page that i could find out the
> percentage of users that are still using netscape 4.x

1. i don't know if this will work, but try puttin a table around what
you've got right now with padding and spacing at 0. in other words, go
from...

<table>
 <tr>
  <td></td>
 </tr>
</table>

...to...

<table>
 <tr>
  <td>
   <table>
    <tr>
     <td></td>
    </tr>
   </table>
  </td>
 </tr>
</table>

also remember to set the outer table to the background color that you
want.


2. according to the statistics from our website, this version of
netscape is at around 4%. it might be higher or lower for your audience.



hth,
chris.


From judah at wiredotter.com  Wed Sep 25 12:04:00 2002
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:04:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] e-commerce resources
References: <3D91C1DB.1020909@gte.net>
Message-ID: <3D91EC5B.8000505@wiredotter.com>

Katherine Evans wrote:
> I'd also love to hear about any tools and prebuilt
> componants out there that I could use, and how difficult
> they are to integrate into a cohesive site.

I've just started using X-Cart (www.x-cart.com) it's a php/mysql type
system.  I'm using it even though I'm a ColdFusion kind of guy.  It's
got a pretty decent templating system that I was able to explain to a
non-tech person fairly quickly and she was able to make it look the way
she wanted by and large.

The actual shopping-cart part of it looks quite good and the system only
took me about 2 hours to set up including learning how to set up PHP and
MySQL under Win2K.

The biggest downside I've seen is that the documentation is pretty
nonexistant.  This hasn't been a problem for me, but it might be for others.

Judah





From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Wed Sep 25 12:05:01 2002
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:05:01 2002
Subject: Forgot url [was Re: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?]
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925091335.02e73c80@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925130523.00a9c560@mail.idirect.ca>

The site url is http://kristinestone.redirectme.net/KS_Web/ and
http://bigbyte.no-ip.com/CSM_Portal/

Peter Kaulback

In the hour of 09:16 AM 9/25/2002 -0400, Peter Kaulback spoke this:
>A friend has put up a site in ASP.NET that works fine in IE and Mozilla but
>in Opera 6 it gives me this error:
>Server Error in '/KS_WEB' Application.
>
>Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
>
>Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the
>current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information
>about the error and where it originated in the code.
>
>Exception Details: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set
>to an instance of an object.
>
>Source Error:
>
>An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current
>web request. Information
>
>regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using
>the exception stack trace below.
>
>
>Stack Trace:
>
>
>[NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an
>object.]
>    ASPNetPortal.MobileControls.MultiPanel.DoPaginateChildren(ControlPager
>pager, Control ctl, Int32& firstAssignedPage) in
>D:\Webs\KS_Web\Components\MobileControls.vb:695
>    ASPNetPortal.MobileControls.MultiPanel.PaginateRecursive(ControlPager
>pager) in D:\Webs\KS_Web\Components\MobileControls.vb:666
>    ASPNetPortal.MobileControls.MultiPanel.PaginateRecursive(ControlPager
>pager) in D:\Webs\KS_Web\Components\MobileControls.vb:654
>    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.MobileControl.DoPaginateChildren(ControlPager
>pager, Control ctl, Int32& firstAssignedPage) +154
>    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.MobileControl.PaginateRecursive(ControlPager
>pager) +89
>    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.Panel.PaginateRecursive(ControlPager
>pager) +100
>    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.Form.PaginateForm() +219
>    System.Web.UI.MobileControls.Form.OnPreRender(EventArgs e) +47
>    System.Web.UI.Control.PreRenderRecursiveInternal() +62
>    System.Web.UI.Control.PreRenderRecursiveInternal() +125
>    System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain() +1470
>
>
>Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:1.0.3705.0; ASP.NET
>Version:1.0.3705.0
>
>Is it just my browser or just his server or application?
>I'm clueless about all .NET.
>Any idea's?
>
>Peter Kaulback
>
>--
>For unsubscribe and other options, including
>the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
>http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !



From judah at wiredotter.com  Wed Sep 25 12:08:01 2002
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:08:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925091335.02e73c80@mail.idirect.ca> <3D91BDA9.9080306@industriality.com>
Message-ID: <3D91ED35.3070703@wiredotter.com>

Nik Schramm wrote:
> Either filter out Opera using ServerSide UserAgentString detection (this
> is easy with .NET, use Request.UserAgent and check if it contains
> "Opera", in which case it's probably an Opera browser) and code the
> poage in such a way that Opera does not get <optgroup> tags in its page
> or alternatively lose the <optgroup> tags altogether.

Note also that Opera provides the ability to change the useragent string
so you may not be able to detect that the visiting browser is Opera.
I've heard of many Opera users that change their user agent setting to
advertise the browser as IE so they get through user agent checks.

Judah





From agilliland at geosolutions.com  Wed Sep 25 12:08:07 2002
From: agilliland at geosolutions.com (Amy Gilliland)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:08:07 2002
Subject: [thelist] cell spacing probs in NN 4.x
In-Reply-To: <MABBJCLEPDPJIHIEELPCGEDCCMAA.toby.coffey.liverpool@tm3.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MJEKJIOPJKKMKBGPBIBMEENKCIAA.agilliland@geosolutions.com>

<snip>also the cells that have
text in and have had their background colour changed to white, don't appear
as white, they are still grey.</snip>

i remember reading that if you set the background of the cells you want
white to an empty string. (background ="") you should get the look you want
in netscape 4.x

<snip>
all works fine in explorer but in netscape 4.x there are gaps between the
cells rather than the background colour of the table
</snip>

you could try the same for the table or you could wrap it in a div.

hope that helps.

Amy

____________________________
Amy Gilliland
Application Programmer
GeoSolutions Consulting Inc.
agilliland at geosolutions.com
http://www.geosolutions.com
http://mapinfo.geosolutions.com




From judah at wiredotter.com  Wed Sep 25 12:12:01 2002
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:12:01 2002
Subject: Forgot url [was Re: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?]
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925130523.00a9c560@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <3D91EE47.2020702@wiredotter.com>

Peter Kaulback wrote:
> The site url is http://kristinestone.redirectme.net/KS_Web/

I'm not sure, but it might have something to do with the 3000 character
long hidden form field you have in there.  It's called _VIEWSTATE and
its a ridiculously long string of characters.

Judah





From dunstan at 1976design.com  Wed Sep 25 12:16:01 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:16:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows() question
In-Reply-To: <20020925170309.49A07BFE7@relay.evolt.org>
References: <20020925170309.49A07BFE7@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20020925171529.M90296@1976design.com>

> > // delete keywords associated with that image
> > $sql2 = ("DELETE FROM imagekeyword WHERE (imageid = '$DelPic')");
> >
> > if (mysql_affected_rows(sql2))
> > 	{
> > 	print "good";
> > 	$del_imagekeyword_error = "0";
> > 	}
> >
> > I get told that 'mysql_affected_rows(sql2)'is not a valid
> > MySQL-Link resource.
>
> Did you use this:
> > if (mysql_affected_rows(sql2))
>
> or this?
> > if (mysql_affected_rows($sql2))


I've tried both, and neither one works - same error :o/


- dunstan (btw, I'm on digest, could you cc me please? thanks)

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From Anthony at Baratta.com  Wed Sep 25 12:18:01 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:18:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] MS SQL Server - Automated backup
In-Reply-To: <E60BE20600F3D0479DC8C870CD85D8E16AD7@ahnfireserver.ahnfire
 .com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925100715.01b4fc38@baratta.com>

At 09:11 AM 9/25/2002, Michael K. Ahn wrote:
>Can anyone point me in the right direction with setting up an automated
>backup process for one or more MS SQL Server databases?  I would like to
>back it up on external media (ie tape drive), but backing up to a file
>on a hard drive is also a possibility.

Using Enterprise Manager, setup a new backup device. I would recommend that
you set that as a file versus directly to tape. Then create a backup job
using that new device. During the setup of the backup job, you can schedule
the job to run at predefined intervals. I setup all my backups to run nightly.

* Make sure you define the backup to overwrite, versus append.
* Make sure that you set MS SQL to clear the transaction logs after the
backup completes.

On high traffic sites, many people do a full backup nightly and then every
hour or two or three, run a transaction only backup. This way they get a
running change log of the DB throughout the day that can be applied to the
nightly backup in the event a restore is needed.

You'll then have a file or series of files that can be rolled to tape or
another hard drive for archival purposes.

Good Luck.
--
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From gary at work.com  Wed Sep 25 12:23:00 2002
From: gary at work.com (Gary S)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:23:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] radio button styles
Message-ID: <JCECKGGFCNOKGGEJFDNBCEFICBAA.gary@work.com>

Oh great list members,

I know there is someone out there that can answer this question.  I am
trying to information on how to change the elements of a radio button.
Particularly, removing or shrinking the padding around radio buttons.

Also, does anyone know of a good reference for these types of CSS
attributes.

TIA,

Gary



From lists at pinetree.net  Wed Sep 25 12:25:01 2002
From: lists at pinetree.net (Oren Levin)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] UA string
In-Reply-To: <001b01c264aa$1bd2c150$0201a8c0@yoda>
Message-ID: <LPBBLPEJOJDELLBIKBMOAEPLEAAA.lists@pinetree.net>

Off the top of my head, I'd say that it is Netscape 4.75 running on a
PowerPC Mac.

Oren
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-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of lon.kraemer
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:42 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] UA string


Can anyone enlighten me as to the nature of:

mozilla/4.75c-cck-mcd {c-udp; ebm-apple} (macintosh; u; ppc)

TIA
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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 25 12:29:01 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:29:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] radio button styles
In-Reply-To: <JCECKGGFCNOKGGEJFDNBCEFICBAA.gary@work.com>
Message-ID: <20020925172838.94953.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Gary S <gary at work.com> wrote:
> Oh great list members,
>
> I know there is someone out there that can answer this question.  I
> am
> trying to information on how to change the elements of a radio
> button.
> Particularly, removing or shrinking the padding around radio
> buttons.

Do you mean the padding actually around the button itself? Padding is
set with the CSS rule padding: <value>;.

However, I believe the checkbox is an inline element, and setting
padding on it will have no effect. I'm not sure this is what you are
after though.

Tom

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From ken.kogler at curf.edu  Wed Sep 25 12:32:01 2002
From: ken.kogler at curf.edu (Ken Kogler)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:32:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?
In-Reply-To: <3D91ED35.3070703@wiredotter.com>
Message-ID: <000401c264b8$c2f80770$0808810a@eagle5>

> Note also that Opera provides the ability to change the useragent
string
> so you may not be able to detect that the visiting browser is Opera.
> I've heard of many Opera users that change their user agent setting to
> advertise the browser as IE so they get through user agent checks.

I've got Opera 6.05 set to identify as MSIE5, and here's my UA String:

"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows XP) Opera 6.05 [en]"

So depending on how you filter that, I could be using Moz, IE, or Opera.
:)

The point is that when Opera is set to identify as something else, the
word Opera still shows up in the UA String.

<free advertising for TjL>
I learned this from Tim Luoma's excellent (and convincing!) "30 Days To
Becoming An Opera Lover" series: http://www.tntluoma.com/opera/lover/
</free advertising for TjL>

--Ken



From n at industriality.com  Wed Sep 25 12:33:00 2002
From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:33:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925091335.02e73c80@mail.idirect.ca> <3D91BDA9.9080306@industriality.com> <3D91ED35.3070703@wiredotter.com>
Message-ID: <3D91F31F.4090000@industriality.com>

On 25.Sep.02 19:07 Judah McAuley wrote

> Note also that Opera provides the ability to change the useragent string
> so you may not be able to detect that the visiting browser is Opera.

Each of the built-in UA String alternatives still contain the word
"Opera". It makes no difference here.

> I've heard of many Opera users that change their user agent setting to
> advertise the browser as IE so they get through user agent checks.

Again, unless someone actively spoofs the UA String from *outside*
Opera, they will be caught using the method I described. If they do
spoof it using external proxy software, there is of course nothing you
can do about it, but it's safe to say his won't be the only site not
functioning as expected for them ;)


--
/nik



From webguy at mail.rit.edu  Wed Sep 25 12:39:01 2002
From: webguy at mail.rit.edu (Chris Blessing)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:39:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows() question
In-Reply-To: <20020925171529.M90296@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJOEIBCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>

Dunstan-

I think you're going about it all wrong.  You can't use
mysql_affected_rows() to execute the query itself.  You must first execute
it and then you can use the mysql_affected_rows() function to find out how
many rows were affected by the query itself.

See "Example 1. Delete-Query" on the mysql_affected_rows() doc page @
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-affected-rows.php

Sorry I didn't point this out earlier, still absorbing the morning coffee.
:)

Chris Blessing
webguy at mail.rit.edu
http://www.330i.net

> > Did you use this:
> > > if (mysql_affected_rows(sql2))
> >
> > or this?
> > > if (mysql_affected_rows($sql2))
>
>
> I've tried both, and neither one works - same error :o/
>
>
> - dunstan (btw, I'm on digest, could you cc me please? thanks)



From boris at bmannconsulting.com  Wed Sep 25 12:43:01 2002
From: boris at bmannconsulting.com (Boris mann)
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:43:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Ottawa/Montreal/Toronto-area Web Design Contract Work
Message-ID: <3520CB2E-D0AE-11D6-93F3-000393703A62@bmannconsulting.com>

Don't know if this is kosher, but I'm looking for some web designers to
do contract work for our company, Phenomenal Solutions
(http://www.phenomenalsolutions.com).

We'd prefer to work with someone close-r to us (we're based in Ottawa,
Canada).

Please contact me off-list at boris.mann at phenomenalsolutions.com if
interested.

Thanks!

--
Boris Mann



From info at warbassedesign.com  Wed Sep 25 13:26:01 2002
From: info at warbassedesign.com (Information)
Date: Wed Sep 25 13:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] audio format question
Message-ID: <000a01c264c0$c7fa18f0$53020344@ph.cox.net>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
Hello all,

In a conversation yesterday with a client, the question came up "if we can only use one audio format (background music) which should it be and why"  I suggested Flash or embeded as an .mp3.  Should I change my suggestion to a .wma (Windows Media file) or something else?  Any advice would be of interest to me and very much appreciated.  Thanks.

Phil
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From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Wed Sep 25 13:31:01 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Wed Sep 25 13:31:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] audio format question
Message-ID: <278400-220029325182956765@northsound.net>

I think Flash or MP3 would be best. The problem with Windows Media is
that there is almost no Mac players or no Linux players at all. A WAV
or AIFF is cross platform but a Windows Media File is not.  What
about and embedded Real Audio file?

Again I would have all audio optional and stopped at the begining.

Unless I am on a flash site I will leave sites that have embedded
audio playing as a default.
Jacob Metcalf
http://www.8bitjoystick.com/ Press Start to Play

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From judah at wiredotter.com  Wed Sep 25 13:40:01 2002
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Wed Sep 25 13:40:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925091335.02e73c80@mail.idirect.ca> <3D91BDA9.9080306@industriality.com> <3D91ED35.3070703@wiredotter.com> <3D91F31F.4090000@industriality.com>
Message-ID: <3D9202BA.5040901@wiredotter.com>

Nik Schramm wrote:
> On 25.Sep.02 19:07 Judah McAuley wrote
>
>> Note also that Opera provides the ability to change the useragent string
>> so you may not be able to detect that the visiting browser is Opera.
>
>
> Each of the built-in UA String alternatives still contain the word
> "Opera". It makes no difference here.

Well, I certainly stand corrected.  Always nice to learn something new.

Thanks,
Judah






From cparker at swatgear.com  Wed Sep 25 13:44:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Wed Sep 25 13:44:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DE9C@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris W. Parker
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:44 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:judah at wiredotter.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:37 PM
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] creating a subdomain for a website (win2k)
> >
> <you>
> Actually, everything you've done seems like it should work.  A couple
> questions, do you have a proxy server that you are going through?  If
> so, that might be the problem.
> </you>
>
> no proxy, no nothin.
>
> <you>
> Also, when you say that it shows you www.domain.com instead of
> dev.domain.com do you mean that the URL in the address bar
> changes from
> dev.domain.com to www.domain.com?  Or is it just that the content that
> shows up is from www.domain.com?  Did you copy over the content from
> www.domain.com to the folder containing dev.domain.com?  If so this
> would explain why that content shows up.  And does the index file you
> have in that directory contain a redirect?
>
> Also, what is the path to the folder containing www.domain.com?
> </you>
>
> i type in http://dev.domain.com and it stays at http://dev.domain.com
> but shows the http://www.domain.com homepage.
>
> i did not copy the content of domain.com to dev.domain.com's
> directory.
> the only contents of e:\devsg\ is a file known as index.asp.
>
> and no, there is no redirect in that file. it is an ultra basic HTML
> file.
>
> the path of www.domain.com is e:\inetpub\ (we bypasswed
> c:\inetpub\wwwroot\ and moved it to a different drive.)
>
>
> talk to you tomorrow.
>

can we ressurect this issue judah?


chris.


From lists at tntluoma.com  Wed Sep 25 13:52:00 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Wed Sep 25 13:52:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Is it my Opera or the server?
References: <000401c264b8$c2f80770$0808810a@eagle5>
Message-ID: <3D920584.1020209@tntluoma.com>

Ken Kogler wrote:
 >> Note also that Opera provides the ability to change the useragent
 >> string

and proxy products like Proximotron (sp?) let people set whatever UA
they want

 > I've got Opera 6.05 set to identify as MSIE5, and here's my UA
 > String:
 >
 > "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows XP) Opera 6.05 [en]"
 >
 > So depending on how you filter that, I could be using Moz, IE, or
 > Opera. :)

I actually talk about the joys of the UA string on

http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/day15-instant/


 > <free advertising for TjL> I learned this from Tim Luoma's excellent
 > (and convincing!) "30 Days To Becoming An Opera Lover" series:
 > http://www.tntluoma.com/opera/lover/ </free advertising for TjL>

Thanks :-)

The server seems to be having some DNS issues, so if you can't reach it,
try the alternate DNS:

http://www.tntluoma.com/ aka http://luomat.phpwebhosting.com/

TjL

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Day 23: Uplifting Downloads
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From ahuka at ahuka.com  Wed Sep 25 14:08:04 2002
From: ahuka at ahuka.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Wed Sep 25 14:08:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] Perl/CGI help
In-Reply-To: <000a01c2648b$29cae630$8102a8c0@000347D72515>
References: <000901c26489$ce4e99b0$8102a8c0@000347D72515>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925150337.027ec988@bert.webservepro.com>

At 07:00 AM 9/25/2002 -0500, Jay Blanchard said something remarkably like
(but somehow subtly different from):
>[snip]
>Late to the thread ...
>
>Just to clarify, the first line of the PERL script is a 'bash' line which
>appears to be commented out, but isn't. It is the line that lets the script
>know where the PERL .exe is. It is best to follow the bash line with 2 blank
>lines before any script is started.
>[/snip]
>
>And apparently didn't read the whole thread *blush*. Anything on the bash
>line with a dash before it is a PERL run option. There are a lot of these
>options, so knowing which you have we could tell you what they are for and
>whether or not they are part of generating the errors that you see.

Thanks, I am getting there slowly. I am working on the "Llama" book right
now trying to get up to speed.

The script is one I got from the Evolt site, and is written by Martin
Burns. The URL is:

http://www.evolt.org/article/Breadcrumbs_for_All/17/4428/index.html

in case anyone is interested.

It will take me a bit to figure out exactly what the errors, if indeed they
are errors, are all about and fix them. Since the script seems to be
working fine right now, I guess I'll just comment out the "use diagnostics"
line to save wear and tear on my large httpd-error.log.


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From David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil  Wed Sep 25 14:25:01 2002
From: David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil (David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil)
Date: Wed Sep 25 14:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Need Generic ADO XML to HTML Table XSL
Message-ID: <092C0521BB49C34AB7DF7578B6D513E00142AFA6@fsjubj09>

I've pounded Google but have not been able to find an XSL 1.0-compliant XSL
file that transforms the generic ADO XML output to an HTML table.

There are several XSL files out there but they are all pretty much
identical, and all use the old working-draft namespace ("/TR/WD-XSL" I
believe) which is no longer supported. Or, I guess it can still be used with
MSXML, but I'd rather use the standard... :)

I tinkered with building my own but it will require XSL scripting, and I'm
already rusty on XSL let alone MSXSL script. The main problem in converting
the old ones is they mostly rely on xsl:eval which is no longer used in the
1.0 version.

Does anybody on this list have such a generic transformer lying around that
you'd be willing to part with? :)

Thanks,
-dave


From kat at katandmouse.com  Wed Sep 25 15:20:02 2002
From: kat at katandmouse.com (Kathy)
Date: Wed Sep 25 15:20:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] e-commerce resources (Katherine Evans)
In-Reply-To: <20020925170309.49A07BFE7@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <B9B767AE.172BF%kat@katandmouse.com>

Kat,
Can I recommend SITE-etc? I used to feel out of my league as well when asked
to build ecommerce sites, but their tools are so easy to use. Basically, if
you can create a few HTML pages and know how to put a link on your site,
you're in business - at least as far as the Web development part of it goes.

I actually was involved in the development of their tools to be sure that
Web designers' needs are considered. One of the things that was important to
me was having control over the look and feel of every page. SITE-etc gives
me that. The programmer, on the hand, made sure that the real technies had
their own bit of control as well, so the source is open, and it's easy to
get in and customize the scripts to meet your clients' needs.

The shopping cart "etcetera" is just one of many SITE-etc tools that are
available for others free with hosting. You can see how I've implemented
that and many more in sites in my portfolio:
http://www.katandmouse.com/portfolio.html

You can read about SITE-etc here: http://www.site-etc.com. All the etceteras
are in the process of being re-written into PHP to make them even easier to
implement, but the demo site for those is not online yet. Very soon, though.
Their shopping cart, in particular, has just gone through major revisions
with many new features that you won't be able to see in their demo site just
yet, but if you're interested I can get you a "backstage pass." Just let me
know.

Kathy (Kat, too)

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> From: thelist-request at lists.evolt.org
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:03:09 -0500 (CDT)
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: thelist digest, Vol 1 #2629 - 22 msgs
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been asked by a client about an e-commerce site for a
> small home-based business (selling crafts), and I'm the
> first to admit that I'm way out of my league here.  I've
> worked on dynamic sites before, but they never had the kind
> of issues that e-commerce has (secure payment, calculating
> tax etc).
>
> Does anyone have any experience using pre built services
> (Yahoo Stores and the like)?  I'd love to hear about the
> pros/cons of these.
>
> I'd also love to hear about any tools and prebuilt
> componants out there that I could use, and how difficult
> they are to integrate into a cohesive site.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Kat



From paul at teltest.com  Wed Sep 25 16:35:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (paul bennett)
Date: Wed Sep 25 16:35:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] using rgb values for colors
References: <20020925112154.99109.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008501c264db$d44cbed0$0100000a@oreti>

Thanks for the rgb / hex script Dan, and for the "nadger" app Kelly :)
Paul Bennett
Internet Developer
Teltest Electronic Design
EMAIL: paul at teltest.com
WEB: http://www.teltest.com
WAP:http://wap.teltest.com/
Phone:+64 4 237 0767



From framar at interlog.com  Wed Sep 25 16:54:01 2002
From: framar at interlog.com (Frank)
Date: Wed Sep 25 16:54:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <F9229CA713C32F41B9F80DAB00D3311B155AA9@denexc04.galileo.com>
References: <F9229CA713C32F41B9F80DAB00D3311B155AA9@denexc04.galileo.com>
Message-ID: <122160930175.20020925175018@interlog.com>

On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 6:12:22 PM, you said:
C> (Sorry, can't think of a name for that pattern.)

"Dither"


--
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a shout's tempest breaks.

Frank Marion
framar at interlog.com
http://www.frankmarion.com





From aboodman at youngpup.net  Wed Sep 25 17:00:00 2002
From: aboodman at youngpup.net (aboodman at youngpup.net)
Date: Wed Sep 25 17:00:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Need Generic ADO XML to HTML Table XSL
Message-ID: <54470-220029325194811734@M2W055.mail2web.com>

that can't be hard... do you have a sample of the generic ado-xml you're
referring to? (i don't have sqlserver here..)

i'm bored; i'll do one up for you and post it on my site.

-a


Original Message:
-----------------
From:  David.Cantrell at Gunter.AF.mil
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:23:56 -0500
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Need Generic ADO XML to HTML Table XSL


I've pounded Google but have not been able to find an XSL 1.0-compliant XSL
file that transforms the generic ADO XML output to an HTML table.

There are several XSL files out there but they are all pretty much
identical, and all use the old working-draft namespace ("/TR/WD-XSL" I
believe) which is no longer supported. Or, I guess it can still be used with
MSXML, but I'd rather use the standard... :)

I tinkered with building my own but it will require XSL scripting, and I'm
already rusty on XSL let alone MSXSL script. The main problem in converting
the old ones is they mostly rely on xsl:eval which is no longer used in the
1.0 version.

Does anybody on this list have such a generic transformer lying around that
you'd be willing to part with? :)

Thanks,
-dave
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From dunstan at 1976design.com  Wed Sep 25 17:32:01 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Wed Sep 25 17:32:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] how to delete everything in a dir using php
Message-ID: <20020925223120.M56049@1976design.com>

Hello, me again,

Would anyone know how I can delete all the files within a certain directory on
my server using php?

I have a php page where the user can wipe their entire database with a couple
of clicks (a very well protected page I might add) but as well as wiping the
mysql db (which I've done) I need to delete all the file they might have
uploaded (The directory will always be the same one).


I realise you probably use unlink() but I'm unable to find a way to select
everything in a dir and apply that command to it.

Anyone know a 'select all' command? Or a nice loop...


Thanks for any help you can offer,

- dunstan (on digest, please cc)

---------------------------
Dorset, England
http://www.1976design.com/
http://www.orchard.it/
http://www.maccaws.org/


From cparker at swatgear.com  Wed Sep 25 17:37:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Wed Sep 25 17:37:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B7@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank [mailto:framar at interlog.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:50 PM
> To: Cymbala, Greg
> Subject: Re[2]: [thelist] css "transparency"
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 6:12:22 PM, you said:
> C> (Sorry, can't think of a name for that pattern.)
>
> "Dither"

actually... i think the word you're looking for is "checkerboard" or
something along those lines.

please correct me if i'm wrong, (i'd rather know the truth) but i think
dither is a technique by which two colors can be used to create the
illusion of multiple shades of the two colors.

in this case a checkerboard pattern of opaque and transparent white
pixels were used to create a dithered effect when layed on top of the
background.


chris.


From mike at nthwave.net  Wed Sep 25 17:41:01 2002
From: mike at nthwave.net (Michael Mell)
Date: Wed Sep 25 17:41:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] cell spacing probs in NN 4.x
References: <MABBJCLEPDPJIHIEELPCGEDCCMAA.toby.coffey.liverpool@tm3.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3D923B73.4A4E774C@nthwave.net>

toby coffey - liverpool office wrote:

> hi, i am building a table, cellspacing = 5 cellpadding=2, it has a grey
> background and the cells with text in are white. this is within a web page
> that has a repeated image in the background
>
> all works fine in explorer but in netscape 4.x there are gaps between the
> cells rather than the background colour of the table -

does this do what you want?
========================================
<table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 bgcolor="#C2C297">
<tr><td>

<table cellpadding=4 cellspacing=1 border=0>
<tr bgcolor="#ffffff">
 <td>This </td>
 <td>works </td>
 <td>in </td>
 <td>both </td>
 <td>browsers.</td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ffffff">
 <td>Outer </td>
 <td>table, </td>
 <td>inner  </td>
 <td>row </td>
 <td>.</td>
</tr></table>

</td></tr></table>
========================================



From howcheng at ix.netcom.com  Wed Sep 25 18:14:00 2002
From: howcheng at ix.netcom.com (Howard Cheng)
Date: Wed Sep 25 18:14:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] how to delete everything in a dir using php
In-Reply-To: <20020925223120.M56049@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925161038.02621820@popd.ix.netcom.com>

Can't you just chdir to the directory you want and then do unlink("*.*")?

At 10:31 PM 9/25/2002 +0000, Dunstan Orchard wrote:
>I realise you probably use unlink() but I'm unable to find a way to select
>everything in a dir and apply that command to it.

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From ned-ml at idsland.com  Wed Sep 25 18:21:01 2002
From: ned-ml at idsland.com (Ned Baldessin)
Date: Wed Sep 25 18:21:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Back in the Aeron again
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020830082036.00a26380@mail.cyberwhirled.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020830082036.00a26380@mail.cyberwhirled.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b10b9b7efdf9f80@[192.168.0.10]>

Vu "[thelist] Back in the Aeron again", du 30/08/02 ? 8:28 -0700 :
>I've been out of touch with the web biz for the past few months --
>So I'm trying to get back in the game and wondering where to start.
>I have a good handle on transitional XHTML and am planning to update my
>Flash skills

Transitional XHTML ? Come on, we are all discussing XHTML 2.0 (sort off :)
Flash has continued it's own way with MX, it has (arguably) become
the best universal user interface / front-end available. And by the
way, Flashcoders is going down the drain quality-wise (newbie
"PLEEEASE HELP ME!" syndrome).

>
>I'm wondering about things like browsers people are
>using these days,

Users are using IE. Massively. Mostly 5.x and 6. Personnaly I now
refuse to work with NS 4.x as a target.
People around here are jumping around enthusiastically because we now
have Mozilla 1.1. Features you will like : tabbed browsing,
javascript console / debugger, many side-bar thingies, a lot more
control over the html.

>  css usage,

In the last 4-6 months, it has gone from CSS hysteria ("Burn all
tables!" etc), then, when everybody calmed down, we all admitted that
tables are still most often un-avoidable for layout (see Zeldmann's
blog, etc). So from my point of view, 99% of styles go in CSS, and
most layout structure is still made with tables. Boring yes I know.

>  skill sets employers are looking for

I don't know.
I've been working with quite a few '4-day-training-in-HTML' graphic
designers, while doing more and more backend stuff (php etc). I don't
recommend that path (not very creative, even on the 'generative-art'
side of it).

Anyway, welcome back !


	- ned


From framar at interlog.com  Wed Sep 25 18:25:01 2002
From: framar at interlog.com (Frank)
Date: Wed Sep 25 18:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B7@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B7@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <21166348526.20020925192036@interlog.com>

>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, 6:12:22 PM, you said:
>> C> (Sorry, can't think of a name for that pattern.)

>> "Dither"

On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, 6:36:23 PM, you said:
C> actually... i think the word you're looking for is "checkerboard" or
C> something along those lines.

C> please correct me if i'm wrong, (i'd rather know the truth) but i think
C> dither is a technique by which two colors can be used to create the
C> illusion of multiple shades of the two colors.

C> in this case a checkerboard pattern of opaque and transparent white
C> pixels were used to create a dithered effect when layed on top of the
C> background.

We're both right from a different point of view. You are
100% correct when you say that dithering consists of
staggering different colour values to produce the illusion
of another. Technically, (I think), transparent *is* a
colour value, it's the colour "null" (for lack of a better
phrase).

Mind you, I can't see the background image at all, and might
be completely off-base. My response was based on the data
provided in the earlier post. I still think that "Dither" is
the correct term.

Looking forward to a third party that could confirm/deny/add
to the debate.

--
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a shout's tempest breaks.

Frank Marion
framar at interlog.com
http://www.frankmarion.com





From Matt at grndwtr.com  Wed Sep 25 18:33:01 2002
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Wed Sep 25 18:33:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] how to remove empty spaces
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B01280383FCF@mail1>

Hi all!

I used to work with an editor that could remove unnecessary empty spaces
(without muddling up text) from a file.
It was free, too!
Anyone got any clue which free tool could do this?

 Regards
Matthias Ritzkowski


From paul at teltest.com  Wed Sep 25 18:42:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Wed Sep 25 18:42:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] how to remove empty spaces
References: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B01280383FCF@mail1>
Message-ID: <3D924AB2.7010401@teltest.com>

http://www.serpik.net/ahc/ahc.zip
 >> html compressor

Matthias Ritzkowski wrote:

>Hi all!
>
>I used to work with an editor that could remove unnecessary empty spaces
>(without muddling up text) from a file.
>It was free, too!
>Anyone got any clue which free tool could do this?
>
> Regards
>Matthias Ritzkowski
>
>

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--------------------------
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--------------------------





From skaiser1 at skdesigns.com  Wed Sep 25 18:52:00 2002
From: skaiser1 at skdesigns.com (Shirley Kaiser, SKDesigns)
Date: Wed Sep 25 18:52:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <B9B64EAF.1236%rlmcfarland@attbi.com>
References: <3D90E05F.7060207@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925164229.02bb6008@mail.midtown.net>

Hi,

Passing through and this topic caught my eye. I've fiddled with this
effect, too, and have had many people ask me about this effect at my weblog
at <http://www.brainstormsandraves.com/>. The background leaves are
no-repeat, and the checkerboard .gif image is the background image for the
content table, which gives the effect of movement over the leaves background.

You can do a lot with this concept varying the checkerboard pattern and the
colors of that checkerboard image and the background image, but as Paul
mentions, you must be careful about how fonts read over the top of them,
too. The letters can get really jagged to the point of being unreadable or
just not looking very good. In addition to what Paul already stated, I've
also found the more contrast between the background colors and the font
color the better.

I prefer the term "translucency" for this. Either way, though, it can be a
fun adventure of exploring.

Paul, yours is nice. I like it. :-)

Warmly,
Shirley
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At 05:17 PM 9/24/2002, you typed:
>Paul,
>
>Not quite.
>
>There is a background-image in the 'body:' definition that is fixed in
>place.
>
>The 'div' that "floats" has its own background-image that is a "transparent"
>image. I've used images where every other pixel is transparent, which
>creates the sort of "milky" effect seen on your example page.
>
>Because the image on the body background is "fixed" it stays in place in the
>browser window even when other elements scroll. You can, of course, set that
>image to scroll as well.
>
>Here's a link to an example that's part of a site I'm currently developing
>for a restaurant (the site has not actually been publicly published, but
>please take a look anyway ;->):
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~nellsrestaurant/recipes.html
>
>A caveat: Be careful with font sizes for text that you put on top of a
>transparent image like these: at smaller sizes, the "holes" in the
>background-image can make your text look pretty ragged. Serif fonts seem to
>be problematic, too...Where are those pixel-splitting monitors when we need
>them?
>
>Richard
>  --
>Richard McFarland <rlmcfarland at attbi.com>
>206-378-6942
>
> > From: Paul Bennett <paul at teltest.com>
> > Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:59:59 +1200
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] css "transparency"
> >
> > Thanks for all the help and links - so just to see if I have this straight:
> > The content div actually has no "translucency" (giving the thesaurus a
> > hammering today...) but has a seperate bg image to the body. This is
> > fixed in positon to sit over the body image but provide a new image
> > effect (distortion / translucency etc). As it is set not to scroll, it
> > stays static as the content div scrolls and gives the illusion of
> > translucency in the content div.



From Matt at grndwtr.com  Wed Sep 25 18:55:01 2002
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Wed Sep 25 18:55:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] how to remove empty spaces
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B01280383FD0@mail1>

Thanks Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bennett [mailto:paul at teltest.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 19:46
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] how to remove empty spaces


http://www.serpik.net/ahc/ahc.zip
 >> html compressor

Matthias Ritzkowski wrote:

>Hi all!
>
>I used to work with an editor that could remove unnecessary empty spaces
>(without muddling up text) from a file.
>It was free, too!
>Anyone got any clue which free tool could do this?
>
> Regards
>Matthias Ritzkowski
>
>

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Internet Developer
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--------------------------
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From paul at teltest.com  Wed Sep 25 19:16:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Wed Sep 25 19:16:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <3D90E05F.7060207@teltest.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020925164229.02bb6008@mail.midtown.net>
Message-ID: <3D9252A0.4020003@teltest.com>

umm, I wasn't  the one who put together the example pages, but I will
take the praise anyway...:)





From jean at jtdwebstudio.com  Wed Sep 25 20:47:01 2002
From: jean at jtdwebstudio.com (Jean T. Dumais)
Date: Wed Sep 25 20:47:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Looking for site/mail hosting recommendation
References: <20020925170309.49A07BFE7@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <001401c264fe$6a0553c0$6501a8c0@ne1.client2.attbi.com>

Greetings,
I'm a long-time lurker looking for advice  My client is not happy with his
current hosting company due to inadequate e-mail support.  He's asked me to
find a new hosting company (the current one is the one I recommended to him,
which I originally heard of here on this list) that offers the following:

IMAP4 Mail server (not POP3)
Wants to keep 100MB of mail online including an online address book
Needs to send mail to 1,000 users in a group (currently has to split this up
into groups of 100 and send the same message 10 times due to the limitations
with the current service)

In addition, need ASP and Access database support.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jean
(I'm on digest so a cc: to my e-mail address would be cool)




From carmodyryan at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 25 22:06:01 2002
From: carmodyryan at hotmail.com (Ryan Carmody)
Date: Wed Sep 25 22:06:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pass variable to js include file?
Message-ID: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Is it possible to pass a var to a js include file?  I have a path in a js
include file that I need to unhardcode and can't figure out how to pass that
path as a var.  Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
-Ryan

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From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Sep 25 22:17:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed Sep 25 22:17:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pass variable to js include file?
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Carmody" <carmodyryan at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:04 PM


> Is it possible to pass a var to a js include file?  I have a path in a js
> include file that I need to unhardcode and can't figure out how to pass
that
> path as a var.  Any help is appreciated.

Ryan,

If you define the variable in a script block in the header prior to the
include, the defined variable will be available within the included file.
EG:

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
  var myvar = 1;
</script>

<script language="JavaScript" src="includeme.js"
type="text/javascript"></script>

Another option is to have your favorite script engine, such as CF, PHP, etc,
actually parse js files.  Then you can simply do this:

<script language="JavaScript" src="includeme.js?myvar=1"
type="text/javascript"></script>

The second platform is only an option if you have the means to change the
way the web server operates.  In IIS it means adding the js extension to the
list of extension parsed by an installed parser.  In apache... I dunno.

HTH,
-joshua



From paul at teltest.com  Wed Sep 25 22:42:00 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Wed Sep 25 22:42:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] validating css
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com> <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com>

I am trying to validate a stylesheet (css1) , but the validator is
coughing at these lines:
Error = "Parse error"
and this is the css:
=========================
page_title
    {
    font-size: 20px;
    font-weight: bold;
    font-family: arial, sans-serif;
    background-image: url("images/translucent.gif");
    width: 550px;
    padding: 5px;
    margin:8px;
    border: 1px solid #fff;
    }
========================
any ideas why this won't validate????

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--------------------------
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From chris at fuzzylizard.com  Wed Sep 25 22:46:00 2002
From: chris at fuzzylizard.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Wed Sep 25 22:46:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] validating css
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com> <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1> <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <3D929159.1000403@fuzzylizard.com>

My first quess would be the underscore in the name. Try removing that
and see what you get.

/chris

Paul Bennett wrote:

> I am trying to validate a stylesheet (css1) , but the validator is
> coughing at these lines:
> Error = "Parse error"
> and this is the css:
> =========================
> page_title
>    {
>    font-size: 20px;
>    font-weight: bold;
>    font-family: arial, sans-serif;
>    background-image: url("images/translucent.gif");
>    width: 550px;
>    padding: 5px;
>    margin:8px;
>    border: 1px solid #fff;
>    }
> ========================
> any ideas why this won't validate????

--
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chris at fuzzylizard.com





From roselli at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 25 22:49:01 2002
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Wed Sep 25 22:49:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] validating css
In-Reply-To: <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <3D924AA6.6073.57548D55@localhost>

> From: Paul Bennett <paul at teltest.com>
[...]
> page_title
[...]
> any ideas why this won't validate????

underscore?

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From paul at teltest.com  Wed Sep 25 22:59:00 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Wed Sep 25 22:59:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] validating css
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com> <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1> <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com> <3D929159.1000403@fuzzylizard.com>
Message-ID: <3D9286CC.8050006@teltest.com>

Thanks, (I didn't know you couldn't use underscores )




From seyon at delime.com  Wed Sep 25 23:20:01 2002
From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon)
Date: Wed Sep 25 23:20:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] validating css
In-Reply-To: <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com>
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com>
 <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020926001856.022a43c0@mail.delime.com>

Message from Paul Bennett (9/26/2002 03:45 PM)
>I am trying to validate a stylesheet (css1) , but the validator is
>coughing at these lines:
>Error = "Parse error"
>and this is the css:
>=========================
>page_title
>    {

btw, shouldn't this be either .page_title or #page_title?

Along with the no-underscore thing mentioned earlier...

-m


From mpember at phreaker.net  Wed Sep 25 23:26:01 2002
From: mpember at phreaker.net (mpember at phreaker.net)
Date: Wed Sep 25 23:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] how to delete everything in a dir using php
Message-ID: <200209260425.g8Q4PmF02459@mail025.syd.optusnet.com.au>

I have just the thing, I just happen to be at work at the moment and won't be back home for about 5 hours.  Here's a quick snippet I found that does basically the same thing.  If it doesn't work, send me an email off list and I'll dig out my code from home.

If you put it into a function, then you just call is recursively using each of the subdirectories.

<?phpsource>

$path = ".";
$dir_handle = @opendir($path) or die("Unable to open $path");
while ($file = readdir($dir_handle)) unlink($file);
closedir($dir_handle);

<phpsource?>
----
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-- Original Message --
From: Dunstan Orchard <dunstan at 1976design.com>
To: evolt list <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Send: 2002-09-26
Subject: [thelist] how to delete everything in a dir using php

Anyone know a 'select all' command? Or a nice loop...







From paul at teltest.com  Wed Sep 25 23:35:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Wed Sep 25 23:35:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] validating css
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com> <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1> <4.2.0.58.20020926001856.022a43c0@mail.delime.com>
Message-ID: <3D928F38.6020807@teltest.com>

yep, i picked that up too.
I know the "." is for class, is the "#" for id?

Marc Seyon wrote:

> Message from Paul Bennett (9/26/2002 03:45 PM)
>
>> I am trying to validate a stylesheet (css1) , but the validator is
>> coughing at these lines:
>> Error = "Parse error"
>> and this is the css:
>> =========================
>> page_title
>>    {
>
>
> btw, shouldn't this be either .page_title or #page_title?
>
> Along with the no-underscore thing mentioned earlier...
>
> -m


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From paul at teltest.com  Thu Sep 26 00:00:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac test please
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com> <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1> <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com> <3D929159.1000403@fuzzylizard.com>
Message-ID: <3D929537.60201@teltest.com>

Hi:

can someone with a mac please have a look at :

http://www.linkworks.co.nz/templates/phase_2_3.html
and see what it looks like? (eg weird alignment, small fonts etc)
:)




From boris at bmannconsulting.com  Thu Sep 26 00:07:02 2002
From: boris at bmannconsulting.com (Boris Mann)
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:07:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Looking for site/mail hosting recommendation
In-Reply-To: <001401c264fe$6a0553c0$6501a8c0@ne1.client2.attbi.com>
Message-ID: <AFCD8D19-D10D-11D6-93F3-000393703A62@bmannconsulting.com>

Try XLInternet <http://www.xlinternet.com>. 500MB of space. Online
access to IMAP4 mail using Squirrelmail. Great people. Don't know about
limitations on mail sending.

Personally, if I were running a hosting company/ISP, I'd want some
really good answers about why I should let one user bombard my mail
server. Of course, anything is possible for a price...

--
Boris Mann
http://www.bmannconsulting.com

On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 09:45 PM, Jean T. Dumais wrote:

> Greetings,
> I'm a long-time lurker looking for advice  My client is not happy with
> his
> current hosting company due to inadequate e-mail support.  He's asked
> me to
> find a new hosting company (the current one is the one I recommended
> to him,
> which I originally heard of here on this list) that offers the
> following:
>
> IMAP4 Mail server (not POP3)
> Wants to keep 100MB of mail online including an online address book
> Needs to send mail to 1,000 users in a group (currently has to split
> this up
> into groups of 100 and send the same message 10 times due to the
> limitations
> with the current service)
>
> In addition, need ASP and Access database support.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Jean
> (I'm on digest so a cc: to my e-mail address would be cool)
>



From headlines at lists.evolt.org  Thu Sep 26 00:11:00 2002
From: headlines at lists.evolt.org (Headlines)
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:11:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 25-SEP-02
Message-ID: <200209260510.g8Q5A20Q021902@leo.evolt.org>

evolt.org headlines for 25-SEP-02

Hi evolters!

We have some fresh content on evolt.org today, contributed by our
members. Learn something new or review the perspective of someone
else:

Visual Design: The Digital Darkroom (Author: creed)
http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/22/39773/index.html

How to use software to salvage those digital pictures that -- had
they been old-fashioned prints -- would have been thrown in a dusty
old shoe box, and pushed to the back of the wardrobe.




Authors really appreciate feedback from their peers; you can leave a
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Happy reading!

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From meredith at pintsize.com  Thu Sep 26 00:21:01 2002
From: meredith at pintsize.com (Meredith Tupper)
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:21:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac test please
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com> <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1> <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com> <3D929159.1000403@fuzzylizard.com> <3D929537.60201@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <3D93EAAB.7040402@pintsize.com>

Paul Bennett wrote:
> can someone with a mac please have a look at :
>
> http://www.linkworks.co.nz/templates/phase_2_3.html
> and see what it looks like? (eg weird alignment, small fonts etc)

Mac/Mozilla -- looks just fine to me.  Easy reading font, good
alignment, no problems that I can detect.

Meredith


--
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http://www.pintsize.com
3225 S. MacDill Ave. #208
Tampa, FL 33629
813-835-5382
meredith at pintsize.com



From seyon at delime.com  Thu Sep 26 00:22:00 2002
From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon)
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:22:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] validating css
In-Reply-To: <3D928F38.6020807@teltest.com>
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com>
 <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1>
 <4.2.0.58.20020926001856.022a43c0@mail.delime.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020926012048.022a3e70@mail.delime.com>

Message from Paul Bennett (9/26/2002 04:38 PM)
>yep, i picked that up too.
>I know the "." is for class, is the "#" for id?

yup.
-m


From chris at fuzzylizard.com  Thu Sep 26 00:40:01 2002
From: chris at fuzzylizard.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:40:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac test please
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com> <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1> <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com> <3D929159.1000403@fuzzylizard.com> <3D929537.60201@teltest.com> <3D93EAAB.7040402@pintsize.com>
Message-ID: <3D92ABDD.9030003@fuzzylizard.com>

Looks great in Mozilla 1.1 on windows 2000. Although I did notice one
odd thing. The roleover effect for "Investor News" is not the same as
the rest.

Also, may I ask how you did that roleover effect. I seems to be
generated through css, but I can't find any javascript anywhere and you
have figured out how to get the hand icon off the text link. Something I
have not figured out yet. I would love to be able to implement menus
like this. (or a link to a tutorial would be great as well.)

/chris

--
www.fuzzylizard.com
chris at fuzzylizard.com





From lists at tntluoma.com  Thu Sep 26 00:58:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Thu Sep 26 00:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] anyone have a good log parsing script for UA?
Message-ID: <3D92A1D8.3060303@tntluoma.com>

I'm trying to get a simple text output (no fancy HTML needed) of
information from my Apache logs

Google gives me the phone book on any searches I do :-/

What I am looking for:

breakdown of browsers
	IE Total
		IE v5, IE5.5, IE6

	Opera Total
		6.05, 6.04, etc

	Netscape 4

	Mozilla/Netscape 6+

and so forth

I can handle the rest of what I need... it's the browser part that is
causing me fits because there are so many

TjL


--
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                                        http://www.tntluoma.com/switch
Day 23: Brother, are ye (windows) saved?
                   http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/day24-savedwindows/




From amoore at mooresystems.com  Thu Sep 26 01:02:01 2002
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Thu Sep 26 01:02:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] how to delete everything in a dir using php
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925161038.02621820@popd.ix.netcom.com>; from howcheng@ix.netcom.com on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 04:13:20PM -0700
References: <20020925223120.M56049@1976design.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020925161038.02621820@popd.ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <20020926010129.G16130@cow.mooresystems.com>

On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 04:13:20PM -0700, Howard Cheng wrote:
> Can't you just chdir to the directory you want and then do unlink("*.*")?
>
> At 10:31 PM 9/25/2002 +0000, Dunstan Orchard wrote:
> >I realise you probably use unlink() but I'm unable to find a way to select
> >everything in a dir and apply that command to it.
>

well, does the unlink command glob filenames like that?
Also, he may want to delete all files, not just those with dots in their names.

-Andy



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 26 01:09:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Sep 26 01:09:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac test please
In-Reply-To: <3D929537.60201@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPKEIEHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

paul,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Paul Bennett
>
> can someone with a mac please have a look at :
>
> http://www.linkworks.co.nz/templates/phase_2_3.html
> and see what it looks like? (eg weird alignment, small
> fonts etc)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

i'm not on a mac, but i'm getting some wack behavior in win2k/ie6.  whenever my window is narrower than 851 pixels the content div jumps down below the navigation.

also, looks like you've got a 1px margin set for the active state your navigation.  this causes a funny jump to happen when i click.  also, you may want to consider changing the order of your link pseudo classes to link, visited, hover, active.

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 26 01:14:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Sep 26 01:14:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac test please
In-Reply-To: <3D92ABDD.9030003@fuzzylizard.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPOEIFHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

chris,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Chris Johnston
>
> Also, may I ask how you did that roleover effect. I
> seems to be generated through css, but I can't find
> any javascript anywhere and you have figured out how
> to get the hand icon off the text link. Something I
> have not figured out yet. I would love to be able to
> implement menus like this. (or a link to a tutorial
> would be great as well.)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

it's pretty simple really.  just give all your a tags that are inside a particular class'ed or id'ed element (like a div) a height and width.  then, set their display to block.   now, apply one set of property values to the link and visited pseudo classes and a different set of property values to the hover and active pseudo classes.

that's all there is to it.

i think there's a tutorial on evolt.org that tells how to do it, but i think the technique is slightly different.

Using CSS to create rollovers
http://evolt.org/article/thelist/17/16676/

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk  Thu Sep 26 02:24:01 2002
From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes)
Date: Thu Sep 26 02:24:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] stripping emails and replacing with forms to combat spam
In-Reply-To: <3D92A1D8.3060303@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCCEGGDMAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>

Hi All

I am starting today with a mission of action.  I would like to know what you
guys think of this.

Having embedded many contact email addreses within sites for all the right and
possitive reasons.  The point has come where spam spam spam has just sprialled
out of control.

So the plan is this.  To remove all email addresses from sites and replace them
with a contact form.  The question(s) is/are.  Is this going to stop/reduce spam
(in the long term) and will this be a more effective way for people to make
contact for whatever reason(s)?

Andrew
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/02



From Anthony at Baratta.com  Thu Sep 26 02:28:01 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Thu Sep 26 02:28:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] anyone have a good log parsing script for UA?
In-Reply-To: <3D92A1D8.3060303@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020926001425.01d04918@baratta.com>

At 10:57 PM 9/25/2002, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

>I'm trying to get a simple text output (no fancy HTML needed) of
>information from my Apache logs
>
>What I am looking for: breakdown of browsers

http://www.webalizer.com/

http://www.analog.cx/

http://freshmeat.net/projects/awstats/?topic_id=96%2C243%2C148%2C245

Roll your own:

http://search.cpan.org/author/JZUCKER/AnyData-0.05/AnyData/Format/Weblog.pm

http://search.cpan.org/author/AWRIGLEY/HTTPD-Log-Filter-1.07/


---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 26 03:03:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Sep 26 03:03:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Pass variable to js include file?
In-Reply-To: <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPAEIJHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

ryan,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Joshua Olson
>
> Another option is to have your favorite script engine,
> such as CF, PHP, etc, actually parse js files.  Then
> you can simply do this:
>
> <script language="JavaScript" src="includeme.js?myvar=1"
> type="text/javascript"></script>
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

another option would be to use the file extension for your choice of server-side scripting and then simply return the write mime-type when serving that particular page.  just because it's an external javascript file doesn't mean it has to have a .js file extension.

<script language="JavaScript"
        type="text/javascript"
        src="/scripts/menu.cfm?myvar=1"
></script>

in menu.cfm (using cf cause that's what i know), place the following tag at the top of the file:

<cfcontent type="text/javascript">

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> The second platform is only an option if you have the
> means to change the way the web server operates.  In
> IIS it means adding the js extension to the list of
> extension parsed by an installed parser.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

the advantage to not adding the .js file extension to the files that are parsed are that you don't incur the additional overhead of unnecessarily parsing a bunch of .js files just so you can do dynamic server-side stuff in one of them.  you also don't need access to the webserver settings at all.

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From dragon-vision at comcast.net  Thu Sep 26 03:36:01 2002
From: dragon-vision at comcast.net (Kid Stevens)
Date: Thu Sep 26 03:36:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] stripping emails and replacing with forms to combat	spam
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCCEGGDMAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B9B822E8.1606%dragon-vision@comcast.net>

Here are two other ways to kill Spammers

That is the entire e-mail address encoded in HTML character representation.

<input name="recipient" type="hidden"
value="&#103;&#114;&#101;&#121;&#97;&#110;&#103;&#101;&#108;&#64;&#97;&#108;
&#116;&#101;&#114;&#110;&#97;&#116;&#105;&#118;&#101;-&#98;&#101;&#97;&#117;
&#116;&#121;.&#99;&#111;&#109;">

in the head
<SCRIPT type="text/javascript">

<!-- This script and many more are available free online at -->
<!-- The JavaScript Source!! http://javascript.internet.com -->
<!-- Original:  William Rozell Jr (elranzer at nospam.com ) -->
<!-- Web Site:  http://www.elranzer.com -->
<!-- Begin
var user;
var domain;
var suffix;

function jemail(user, domain, suffix){

document.write('<a href="' + 'mailto:' + user + '@' + domain + '.' + suffix
+ '">' + user + '</a>');
}

//-->
//  End -->

</script>

in the body
        <td>Email me at
        <SCRIPT type="text/javascript">
        <!-- This script and many more are available free online at -->
        <!-- The JavaScript Source!! http://javascript.internet.com -->
        <!-- Begin
        jemail("dragon-vision", "comcast", "net");
        //  End -->
        </script>
         for web and Ranger problems.</td>

Both work and you could if you don't need to search engines hammering away
at your every page on your site use a robot.txt file and an engine.html file
to control the pages with emails from being searched.  I watched a spam
spider work on one of my sites and the idiot programmer had rewritten a
standard search engine spider.  So his followed the rules and got nothing.

on 9/26/02 1:27 AM, Andrew Maynes at andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I am starting today with a mission of action.  I would like to know what you
> guys think of this.
>
> Having embedded many contact email addreses within sites for all the right and
> possitive reasons.  The point has come where spam spam spam has just sprialled
> out of control.
>
> So the plan is this.  To remove all email addresses from sites and replace
> them
> with a contact form.  The question(s) is/are.  Is this going to stop/reduce
> spam
> (in the long term) and will this be a more effective way for people to make
> contact for whatever reason(s)?
>
> Andrew
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/02



From Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com  Thu Sep 26 03:39:03 2002
From: Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com (Stevenson Ngila)
Date: Thu Sep 26 03:39:03 2002
Subject: [thelist] input + xsl:attribute
Message-ID: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAAEPBCPAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>

I have an <xsl:attribute name="value"> tag in an input tag, this does write
the value, what could be wrong, please see my code below.

<input name="Site" class="inputDiv" style="width: 92%; margin-top: 1px;
margin-bottom: 1px; border-right: 0px;" onclick="showHideMVDEFDiv();"
tabindex="12">
	<xsl:if test="$iSCID != '0'">
		<xsl:attribute name="value">
			<xsl:value-of select="$iSite"/>
		</xsl:attribute>
	</xsl:if>
</input>

Thanks,
Stevenson Ngila
Footman-Walker Associates Ltd
http://www.footman-walker.co.uk





From Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com  Thu Sep 26 03:59:01 2002
From: Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com (Stevenson Ngila)
Date: Thu Sep 26 03:59:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] input + xsl:attribute
In-Reply-To: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAAEPBCPAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>
Message-ID: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAAEPCCPAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>

i have found out the problem. It was with my XML file.
Thx

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Stevenson Ngila
Sent: 26 September 2002 11:38
To: Thelist at Lists. Evolt. Org
Subject: [thelist] input + xsl:attribute


I have an <xsl:attribute name="value"> tag in an input tag, this does write
the value, what could be wrong, please see my code below.

<input name="Site" class="inputDiv" style="width: 92%; margin-top: 1px;
margin-bottom: 1px; border-right: 0px;" onclick="showHideMVDEFDiv();"
tabindex="12">
	<xsl:if test="$iSCID != '0'">
		<xsl:attribute name="value">
			<xsl:value-of select="$iSite"/>
		</xsl:attribute>
	</xsl:if>
</input>

Thanks,
Stevenson Ngila
Footman-Walker Associates Ltd
http://www.footman-walker.co.uk



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From tp at trev.biz  Thu Sep 26 04:05:00 2002
From: tp at trev.biz (Trev Parsons)
Date: Thu Sep 26 04:05:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] RE: audio format question
In-Reply-To: <20020926042311.45A64BFD8@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <000201c2653c$07a210e0$c322b5ac@x5452>

Hi Phil,
       Ideally you want to go for a compromise, audio quality Vs
bandwidth, it would be best to test a few formats and to determine what
will ultimately be the best format to use for the job, also make sure
any audio you use is made mono before you encode it, and make sure the
codec is a mono one too, this will further reduce the size of the
file...

Trevit.



From Phil.Dye at alchemydigital.com  Thu Sep 26 04:24:01 2002
From: Phil.Dye at alchemydigital.com (Phil Dye)
Date: Thu Sep 26 04:24:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Getting a server to receive text messages in the UK?
Message-ID: <EBFC0C9119094746BB952CE36973CE361437DE@DIVINER.alchemydigital.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Willison [mailto:simon at incutio.com]
> Sent: 02 September 2002 09:50

> Does anyone know how one would go about setting up one of those
> send-a-text-message-to-this-premium-rate-number
> and-get-a-machine-driven-response things for mobile phones in
> the UK? I've

We've not used them for reverse-billing, but we've had success using
www.wapmx.com for normal SMS messaging stuff.

--
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A L C H E M Y   D I G I T A L
Marketing and Communications Limited
Tel: +44 (0)23 8021 3400
http://www.alchemydigital.com/


From robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk  Thu Sep 26 06:17:01 2002
From: robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk (Rob Wilson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 06:17:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting
Message-ID: <NPEEIFFLEMELJEIIDOLAOEGHCKAA.robw@enigma-interactive.co.uk>

A friend of mine is looking for a fast reliable host for a large web hosting
requirement (500Mb minimum).  Speed and Reliability is more important than
cost although obviously he'd prefer not to pay over the odds.  He's UK based
and so obviously UK based hosts would be preferable but not vital.

Thanks in advance,

Rob



From kris at midtempo.net  Thu Sep 26 06:32:01 2002
From: kris at midtempo.net (kris burford)
Date: Thu Sep 26 06:32:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting
In-Reply-To: <NPEEIFFLEMELJEIIDOLAOEGHCKAA.robw@enigma-interactive.co.uk
 >
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020926122542.00aead70@mail.btinternet.com>

>A friend of mine is looking for a fast reliable host for a large web hosting
>requirement (500Mb minimum).  Speed and Reliability is more important than
>cost although obviously he'd prefer not to pay over the odds.  He's UK based
>and so obviously UK based hosts would be preferable but not vital.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Rob

hi rob,

you didn't say whether your friend required unix or windows, but should
s/he be looking for an linux solution, i can't say too many nice things
about positive internet -

http://www.positive-internet.co.uk

big bandwidth, superb service, etc, etc.

regards

kris




From webguru at vsnl.net  Thu Sep 26 06:33:01 2002
From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon)
Date: Thu Sep 26 06:33:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting
In-Reply-To: <NPEEIFFLEMELJEIIDOLAOEGHCKAA.robw@enigma-interactive.co.uk
 >
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020926170531.01d94740@203.197.12.4>

At 04:46 PM 26-09-02, Rob Wilson wrote:
>A friend of mine is looking for a fast reliable host for a large web hosting
>requirement (500Mb minimum).

Unix or Windows?

Madhu

<<<   *   >>>
Madhu Menon
Internet User Experience Consultant

Content * Interfaces * Usability * Net Strategy



From robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk  Thu Sep 26 06:42:00 2002
From: robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk (Rob Wilson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 06:42:00 2002
Subject: FW: [thelist] Large Hosting
Message-ID: <NPEEIFFLEMELJEIIDOLAOEGICKAA.robw@enigma-interactive.co.uk>

Sorry I forgot to mention that <sheepish grin> He's not too worried
php/mySQL would be nice but again not a huge consideration.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Madhu Menon
Sent: 26 September 2002 12:36
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Large Hosting

Unix or Windows?



From robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk  Thu Sep 26 06:54:01 2002
From: robw at enigma-interactive.co.uk (Rob Wilson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 06:54:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting
In-Reply-To: <NPEEIFFLEMELJEIIDOLAOEGICKAA.robw@enigma-interactive.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NPEEIFFLEMELJEIIDOLAEEGJCKAA.robw@enigma-interactive.co.uk>

Oh for the deity of your choice's sake ... really not my day.  He not
bothered either way. his only requirement other than the reliability and
speed is a preference for php/mysql which is cross platform.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Rob Wilson
Sent: 26 September 2002 12:42
To: Thelist at Lists.Evolt.Org
Subject: FW: [thelist] Large Hosting



Sorry I forgot to mention that <sheepish grin> He's not too worried
php/mySQL would be nice but again not a huge consideration.

Rob



From nadeem at essex.ac.uk  Thu Sep 26 07:10:01 2002
From: nadeem at essex.ac.uk (Ahmad, N)
Date: Thu Sep 26 07:10:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting
Message-ID: <7AC902A40BEDD411A3A800D0B7847B660B01D793@sernt14.essex.ac.uk>

Rob>

A friend of mine is looking for a fast reliable host for a large web hosting
requirement (500Mb minimum).  Speed and Reliability is more important than
cost although obviously he'd prefer not to pay over the odds.  He's UK based
and so obviously UK based hosts would be preferable but not vital.

Nadeem>

I suggest http://www.myqth.com/ although based in the US, it is owned by a
UK company - only $48 per year, 500MB, 30GB transfer per month, php4, mysql,
ftp, 100 pop, ssl etc. No connection to them apart from just about to sign
up myself, but the company has a good reputation on Usenet in
alt.internet.providers.uk

Nadeem


From thelist at websapp.com  Thu Sep 26 07:10:09 2002
From: thelist at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu Sep 26 07:10:09 2002
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting
In-Reply-To: <NPEEIFFLEMELJEIIDOLAOEGHCKAA.robw@enigma-interactive.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001d01c26556$2c36b1d0$7560c118@blackjack>

Hi Rob,

Although based in the USA, this is a great hosting company. Run by us
(the guys from NYPHP.org).
http://thehostingcompany.us/


Regards,
Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rob Wilson
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:17 AM
To: Thelist at Lists.Evolt.Org
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting


A friend of mine is looking for a fast reliable host for a large web
hosting requirement (500Mb minimum).  Speed and Reliability is more
important than cost although obviously he'd prefer not to pay over the
odds.  He's UK based and so obviously UK based hosts would be preferable
but not vital.

Thanks in advance,

Rob

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From Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com  Thu Sep 26 07:56:01 2002
From: Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com (Stevenson Ngila)
Date: Thu Sep 26 07:56:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] amp
Message-ID: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAKEPJCPAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>

I have a database driven intranet which uses XSLT to format the XML files.
it crashes when it encounters '&'. How can i stop this from happening?

Thanks,
Stevenson Ngila
Footman-Walker Associates Ltd
http://www.footman-walker.co.uk





From Liorean at user.bip.net  Thu Sep 26 08:04:01 2002
From: Liorean at user.bip.net (Liorean)
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:04:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] hex colour check (javascript)
In-Reply-To: <341710540F08E34498A057DEE04DAAD7049528@ex1.seri.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020926020630.02b05330@pop3.bip.net>

At 08:48 2002-09-24 +0100, Simon Hibbard wrote:
>Hi all,
>Currently have a form allowing users to enter a hex colour value which is
>used to update
>various styles. What I'm after is a way to validate that what they enter,
>i check the length
>and the fact that it starts with '#', but any ideas on how to check the
>hex is valid i.e.
>#000000 to #FFFFFF.
>I tried using 'parseInt(val,16)' and to check in 'isNan' but such strings
>as FFFFFS still do
>not return 'NaN'.
>I suppose i could check each letter is one of A,B,C,D,E,F - surely there
>is a better way?
>Ideas?

Well, why not use regex for this?

var re=/^#([0-9a-f]{1,2}){3}$/i;
var t=re.exec(colour);

alert('Valid colour: '+re.test(colour)+'\nRed: '+t[1]+'
('+parseInt(t[1],16)+')\nGreen: '+t[2]+' ('+parseInt(t[2],16)+')\nBlue:
'+t[3]+' ('+parseInt(t[3],16)+')');

// Liorean



From rob at bean-stalk.net  Thu Sep 26 08:09:00 2002
From: rob at bean-stalk.net (Rob Wilson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:09:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020926170531.01d94740@203.197.12.4>
Message-ID: <NPEEIFFLEMELJEIIDOLAIEGICKAA.rob@bean-stalk.net>

Sorry I forgot to mention that <sheepish grin> He's not too worried
php/mySQL would be nice but again not a huge consideration.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Madhu Menon
Sent: 26 September 2002 12:36
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Large Hosting

Unix or Windows?



From jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk  Thu Sep 26 08:09:07 2002
From: jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk (Jon Haworth)
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:09:07 2002
Subject: [thelist] Large Hosting
Message-ID: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F010C47ED@BOOTROS>

Hi Rob,

> > Unix or Windows?
> not bothered either way.

Unix, then :-)

Have a look at http://www.hotchilli.net/. They're speedy and reliable, but
quite expensive. I've had a site with them for nearly a year now and it's
had no problems and no downtime. Support is only Monday-Friday 9-5 though,
so that may be a problem for you (it has been for me).

Check out the charts at http://www.webperf.net/ for a few more suggestions.

Cheers
Jon


From adam at brin.org  Thu Sep 26 08:18:01 2002
From: adam at brin.org (Adam Brin)
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:18:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] amp
In-Reply-To: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAKEPJCPAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>
Message-ID: <B9B88132.7F6E%adam@brin.org>

Try encoding the ampersand as &amp; the amp is a reserved character and
needs to be escaped. It might be dying because it doesn't see the semicolon.

- adam

On 9/26/02 8:56 AM, "Stevenson Ngila" <Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com>
wrote:

> I have a database driven intranet which uses XSLT to format the XML files.
> it crashes when it encounters '&'. How can i stop this from happening?
>
> Thanks,
> Stevenson Ngila
> Footman-Walker Associates Ltd
> http://www.footman-walker.co.uk
>
>

_________________________________
adam at brin.org
http://adam.brin.org



From cd-ml at aardvark.net.au  Thu Sep 26 08:53:01 2002
From: cd-ml at aardvark.net.au (Craig)
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:53:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value
Message-ID: <002501c26563$dc425ea0$bbeadccb@maximo>

Hi,

Why does <button> send the value as what's between the tag rather than sending
what's specified in value="" ?

I'm using ASP and with the button below instead of sending the value 't2value'
it sends this:

%3CSPAN+style%3D%22TEXT-DECORATION%3A+underline%22%3EP%3C%2FSPAN%3Eopulate

Which is what's between the <button></button> tags.

<button name="t2" value="t2value" type="submit"><span style="text-decoration:
underline;">P</span>opulate</button>

I've googled but can't seem to find the right keywords.

TIA,
Craig.




From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Sep 26 09:02:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:02:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value
References: <002501c26563$dc425ea0$bbeadccb@maximo>
Message-ID: <002a01c26565$31030920$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig" <cd-ml at aardvark.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:51 AM


> Why does <button> send the value as what's between the tag rather than
sending
> what's specified in value="" ?

I don't usually use the button tag because I'm always concerned about cross
browser compatibility.  (Does anybody have any information on which browsers
it works on?)  Since I rarely use it I don't know the answer to your
question.

But, here's a possible work around.  Use the onclick handler on the button
to set the value of a hidden text field.  Remove the name from the button
altogether.

Something like this:

<input type="hidden" name="t2" value="">
<button onclick="this.form.elements.t2.value = this.value;" value="t2value"
type="submit"><span style="text-decoration:
underline;">P</span>opulate</button>

HTH,
-joshua



From r937 at interlog.com  Thu Sep 26 09:04:01 2002
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:04:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value
Message-ID: <01c26564$f6a468a0$74e9059a@rudy>

>Why does <button> ...

perhaps try   <input type="button">

rudy



From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Thu Sep 26 09:04:13 2002
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:04:13 2002
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Submit Button per Form?
Message-ID: <000101c26565$85891110$8102a8c0@000347D72515>

Howdy Gurus!

I have some forms that when filled out will query a database for specific
information. When there are tons of records returned (frequently 10K records
+) I have "paged" them properly so that folks can work through the query set
faster.

Now it has been requested that a summary report be returned when another
button is clicked after the form is filled out. Now, I am doing this in PHP
so I could have an intermediary page that checks the name of the given
button and the redirects to either the line-item report or the summary
report. However, this requires passing the variables from the original to
form, to the intermediary, to the chosen report page. That seems a long way
to go. I have done this before though and it will not be a problem (other
than time).

I have checked the w3c and can find no reference to multiple buttons on a
form. Has anyone done this with any success, or should I just go ahead and
use the tried and true method?

MTIA!

Jay
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From list at zettai.net  Thu Sep 26 09:13:01 2002
From: list at zettai.net (george donnelly)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:13:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac test please
In-Reply-To: <3D929537.60201@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <B9B88E10.DA21%list@zettai.net>

with IE5.14 Mac the main content area drops down to the bottom, screenshot
sent separately.

with mac mozilla 1.0 no problems.

<-->
george donnelly - http://zettai.net/ - "We Love Newbies" :)
Zope Hosting - Dynamic Website Design - Search Engine Promotion

> From: Paul Bennett <paul at teltest.com>

> can someone with a mac please have a look at :
>
> http://www.linkworks.co.nz/templates/phase_2_3.html
> and see what it looks like? (eg weird alignment, small fonts etc)
> :)



From hassan at webtuitive.com  Thu Sep 26 09:20:01 2002
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:20:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Submit Button per Form?
References: <000101c26565$85891110$8102a8c0@000347D72515>
Message-ID: <3D931750.4090900@webtuitive.com>

Jay Blanchard wrote:

> I have checked the w3c and can find no reference to multiple buttons on a
> form. Has anyone done this with any success, or should I just go ahead and
> use the tried and true method?

Yes, I've used multiple Submit buttons with different values in a
form to return different results or invoke different logic on the
back end.

Worked fine.

HTH!
--
H*
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

     -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 --





From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Sep 26 09:20:08 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:20:08 2002
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Submit Button per Form?
References: <000101c26565$85891110$8102a8c0@000347D72515>
Message-ID: <003801c26567$897d1cb0$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Blanchard" <jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:03 AM


> I have checked the w3c and can find no reference to multiple buttons on a
> form. Has anyone done this with any success, or should I just go ahead and
> use the tried and true method?

You can have as many buttons on a form as you'd like.  If you are using the
typical <input type="submit"> then the name/value pair of the clicked submit
button will be passed to the post.  The other submit buttons will not have
their name/value pairs passed in the post.

Does this help you out?

-joshua



From lists at miinx.com.au  Thu Sep 26 09:23:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:23:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value
References: <002501c26563$dc425ea0$bbeadccb@maximo> <002a01c26565$31030920$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <3D931827.3080308@miinx.com.au>

Joshua Olson wrote:
> I don't usually use the button tag because I'm always concerned about cross
> browser compatibility.  (Does anybody have any information on which browsers
> it works on?)

http://devedge.netscape.com/library/xref/2001/html-element/ says NS6,
IE4 & IE5.

Rob Shluter's HTML Tag List
(http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/schluter/doc/tags/) also adds that it's
HTML 4, and is not supported by WebTV.

Not sure about Opera.

cheers,
Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Thu Sep 26 09:29:01 2002
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:29:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Submit Button per Form?
In-Reply-To: <003801c26567$897d1cb0$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <000501c26568$fcb8f860$8102a8c0@000347D72515>

[snip]
You can have as many buttons on a form as you'd like.  If you are using the
typical <input type="submit"> then the name/value pair of the clicked submit
button will be passed to the post.  The other submit buttons will not have
their name/value pairs passed in the post.
[/snip]

But the form action is the same. I guess I could all of the PHP code in a
huge case statement and then choose the action as I have done before. I was
wanting the action choice to be made differently, but I know that cannot be
done. I wanted it done somehow in the form itself, which could be done with
JavaScript if need be.

<form action="whatever1" method="POST"> if one button clicked.
<form action="whatever2" method="POST"> if another button was clicked.

I don't know how I got it in my mind this morning that it could be done in
the HTML. It must be CRS disease...

Thanks!

Jay




From mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com  Thu Sep 26 09:34:00 2002
From: mspiegler at lightbulbpress.com (matt s.)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:34:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac test please
References: <B9B88E10.DA21%list@zettai.net>
Message-ID: <3D93199C.7750AA26@lightbulbpress.com>

i had the same problem, IE 5.1.5 Mac.

.matt

george donnelly wrote:

> with IE5.14 Mac the main content area drops down to the bottom, screenshot
> sent separately.
>
> with mac mozilla 1.0 no problems.
>
> <-->
> george donnelly - http://zettai.net/ - "We Love Newbies" :)
> Zope Hosting - Dynamic Website Design - Search Engine Promotion
>
> > From: Paul Bennett <paul at teltest.com>
>
> > can someone with a mac please have a look at :
> >
> > http://www.linkworks.co.nz/templates/phase_2_3.html
> > and see what it looks like? (eg weird alignment, small fonts etc)
> > :)
>
> --
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
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From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Sep 26 09:39:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:39:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Multiple Submit Button per Form?
References: <000501c26568$fcb8f860$8102a8c0@000347D72515>
Message-ID: <005501c2656a$406784e0$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Blanchard" <jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:28 AM


> But the form action is the same. I guess I could all of the PHP code in a
> huge case statement and then choose the action as I have done before. I
was
> wanting the action choice to be made differently, but I know that cannot
be
> done. I wanted it done somehow in the form itself, which could be done
with
> JavaScript if need be.

Jay,

It can be done with JavaScript.  You can change the action of the form tag
in the onclick of the submit button,  Such as:

<input type="submit" onclick="this.form.action = 'newaction.asp?foo=bar';"
name="foo" value="bar">

Or, do something like this:  [ warning: untested code ]

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascipt">
  var globalVar;
  function changeAction(form)
  {
    if (globalVar == 1) { form.action = ''newaction1.asp?foo=bar'; return
true; }
    if (globalVar == 2) { form.action = ''newaction2.asp?foo=whatever';
return true; }
    return false;  // they submitted without clicking a button... cancel the
submit
  }
</script>

<form method="post" action="action.asp" onsubmit="return
changeAction(this);">
<input type="submit" onclick="globalVar = 1" name="foo" value="bar">
<input type="submit" onclick="globalVar = 2" name="foo" value="bar2">
</form>



-joshua



From spambait at onpointsolutions.com  Thu Sep 26 09:53:01 2002
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:53:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] stripping emails and replacing with forms to combat	spam
References: <B9B822E8.1606%dragon-vision@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005f01c2656c$5a5ca6d0$9865fea9@Laptop>

> Here are two other ways to kill Spammers
>
> That is the entire e-mail address encoded in HTML character
representation.

FWIW there's a nice DW4 extension by LineCraft that does something like this
too.

Re using forms instead of mailto's, be sure to use a form script that
doesn't require the recipient's address to be embedded in a hidden field.
The one at http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net allow you to embed a code as the
hidden field and the script itself translates that into a specified email
address. That should defeat spammers.

Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
www.OnPointSolutions.com



From seb_johnson2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 26 10:14:01 2002
From: seb_johnson2001 at yahoo.com (seb johnson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 10:14:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] .NET / what certification should I go for ?
Message-ID: <20020926151313.49242.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
 Does anyone have any experience of .NET ?
I have an ASP development background and am now looking into certification of some sort. I recently started MCSD training (VB6, DCOM and SQL2000) but I'm now thinking that this may be a waste of time now that Microsoft (DUCK: from flying bottles and WROX books!!) are pushing .NET and more specifically C# and the MCAD exams. The IDE looks much better than VS6 and from what I've read about C# as a language its more powerful than VB6 and VB.NET and pretty easy to pick as well.

As a development framework and environment I think .NET actually looks really good but I'm very interested in the opinions of the Evolt community before I fully start certification - hopefully there should be a good mix of for and against opinions!

TIA

Seb



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From evolt at pixelwright.com  Thu Sep 26 11:01:01 2002
From: evolt at pixelwright.com (James Aylard)
Date: Thu Sep 26 11:01:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] validating css
References: <F137icfTmyGv3kFYAqG000000f2@hotmail.com> <012501c2650a$f9f92bd0$0200a8c0@client1> <3D9282EA.2010302@teltest.com> <3D929159.1000403@fuzzylizard.com> <3D9286CC.8050006@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <003201c26575$e5ae4e60$2860398a@newcos.com>

Paul,

> Thanks, (I didn't know you couldn't use underscores )

    The answer is, you _can_ use underscores, but for historical reasons you
probably shouldn't. When the CSS 2 recommendation was released, underscores
were (apparently inadvertently) left out of the definition for identifiers
[1]. The CSS Working Group corrected this in the CSS 2 errata [2], and has
further codified it in the CSS 2.1 Working Draft [3].
    The problem: some strictly conforming browsers released pre-errata
(Mozilla and Opera, IIRC) do not permit underscores in identifiers; however,
some time after the errata note was released, these browser makers recoded
to allow them. So using underscores in identifiers can be risky unless you
have a known target audience whose browsers support the underscore (such as
on an Intranet). And for the record, IE has always allowed underscores in
identifiers.
    As for the validator, it _should_ allow underscores; in my testing, it
appears to trip over them, so I consider it a bug in the validator.

1. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/syndata.html#value-def-identifier
2. http://www.w3.org/Style/css2-updates/REC-CSS2-19980512-errata.html#x1
3. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#value-def-identifier

James Aylard



From lists at tntluoma.com  Thu Sep 26 11:26:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Thu Sep 26 11:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] anyone have a good log parsing script for UA?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020926001425.01d04918@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <3D9334F6.4090309@tntluoma.com>

Anthony Baratta wrote:
> At 10:57 PM 9/25/2002, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to get a simple text output (no fancy HTML needed) of
>> information from my Apache logs
>>
>> What I am looking for: breakdown of browsers
>
> http://www.webalizer.com/
>
> http://www.analog.cx/

These both produce HTML pages, correct?  I was just looking for good raw
text (to be emailed)

> Anthony Baratta
> President
> Keyboard Jockeys

You must love Opera's extensive keyboard controls then ;-)


> "Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."

Indeed

TjL

--
30 Days to becoming an Opera Lover
                                        http://www.tntluoma.com/switch
Day 23: Brother, are ye (windows) saved?
                   http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/day24-savedwindows/




From cd-ml at aardvark.net.au  Thu Sep 26 11:28:01 2002
From: cd-ml at aardvark.net.au (Craig)
Date: Thu Sep 26 11:28:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value
References: <002501c26563$dc425ea0$bbeadccb@maximo>
Message-ID: <004601c26579$89ed3e70$bbeadccb@maximo>

I should say it's for an intranet site, and is to be viewed in IE6 only.  I
could use <input type="button"> but I need to be able to highlight the
accesskey, so i turned to <button>.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig" <cd-ml at aardvark.net.au>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:21 PM
Subject: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value


> Hi,
>
> Why does <button> send the value as what's between the tag rather than
sending
> what's specified in value="" ?
>
> I'm using ASP and with the button below instead of sending the value
't2value'
> it sends this:
>
> %3CSPAN+style%3D%22TEXT-DECORATION%3A+underline%22%3EP%3C%2FSPAN%3Eopulate
>
> Which is what's between the <button></button> tags.
>
> <button name="t2" value="t2value" type="submit"><span
style="text-decoration:
> underline;">P</span>opulate</button>
>
> I've googled but can't seem to find the right keywords.
>
> TIA,
> Craig.
>
>
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From evolt at marsorange.com  Thu Sep 26 11:56:01 2002
From: evolt at marsorange.com (MarsHall)
Date: Thu Sep 26 11:56:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Looking for site/mail hosting recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20020926163243.0236E3A40@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <B9BFDB70-D170-11D6-9D5F-00306546A128@marsorange.com>

> IMAP4 Mail server (not POP3)

I started using Clearlight Communications ( http://www.clearlight.com/
) for hosting over a year ago because they support IMAP4. Their
services are very modular, and can be upgraded outside of a restrictive
"account plan" structure.


> Wants to keep 100MB of mail online including an online address book

That amount of disk space is definitely possible with practically any
IMAP-friendly host [i.e. Clearlight], but the address book integration
is questionable. The only decent on-line address books I know of use an
LDAP server, which is generally custom-configured for individual
business applications on in-house servers.

Has you boss considered using a PDA, like a HandSpring, to keep his
address book with him?


> Needs to send mail to 1,000 users in a group (currently has to split
> this up
> into groups of 100 and send the same message 10 times due to the
> limitations
> with the current service)

Manually sending that many eMails is quite rudimentary! It's a job for
a ListServer. Once again, Clearlight will set you up with Lists on a
MailMan (opensource) ListServer.

You can set up the list to be private and to not except posts from
members, and you have a powerful distribution machine. Plus, a
ListServe gives your list members the ability subscribe and unsubscribe.

> In addition, need ASP and Access database support.

Uhhh. That sounds like a whole separate beast. I have never seen an
IIS-friendly hosting service that also supports IMAP and ListServes...

Good luck!
Mars :)



From pmeeks at msn.com  Thu Sep 26 12:01:34 2002
From: pmeeks at msn.com (Pat Meeks)
Date: Thu Sep 26 12:01:34 2002
Subject: [thelist] anyone have a good log parsing script for UA?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020926001425.01d04918@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c2657e$28fdc6c0$0201a8c0@dellp4>

> At 10:57 PM 9/25/2002, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to get a simple text output (no fancy HTML needed) of
> >information from my Apache logs
> >
> >What I am looking for: breakdown of browsers

Try www.mach5.com

Regards, Pat







From ToddManaze at ev1.net  Thu Sep 26 12:27:01 2002
From: ToddManaze at ev1.net (Todd Ballard)
Date: Thu Sep 26 12:27:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] OT: Oracle Small Business Suite
Message-ID: <000001c2657f$1aa443a0$f9634442@atxaubreytodd>

They are basically a delivery service and want to start using software
to track everything and have a website to access all this information.

What other application suites compare to the Oracle Small Business
Suite. Basically I need some kind of  software that will intragrate
accounting, payroll, online bill payment, customer and supplier
relationships, order processing, inventory management, time & billing,
expense reporting and more. So that my client can accesses al this
information from the web.


Any recommendation on a software suit for this kind of application,
preferably open source, using a MySQL database?

Todd



From evolt at pixelwright.com  Thu Sep 26 12:50:01 2002
From: evolt at pixelwright.com (James Aylard)
Date: Thu Sep 26 12:50:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value
References: <002501c26563$dc425ea0$bbeadccb@maximo>
Message-ID: <008001c26585$170bf2f0$2860398a@newcos.com>

Craig,

> Why does <button> send the value as what's between the tag rather than
sending
> what's specified in value="" ?

    Because, unfortunately, IE's implementation of the button element is
broken. Technically, the HTML 4.x recommendation [1] doesn't specify that
the button element cannot submit its innerText value as the value of the
control, but this seems counterintuitive and, well, silly. I experimented
with workarounds, but found none that were satisfactory for my particular
situation [2].
    Ironically, Microsoft's MSDN documentation for the button element used
to state that the form would submit the value of the button to the server
unless it had no value, in which case it would submit the element's
innerText. However, the button element never worked that way in IE, and
instead of fixing the behavior Microsoft merely changed the wording of its
documentation [3]. Very disappointing, IMO.

1. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#edef-BUTTON
2. http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20001002/017911.html,
   http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20001002/017917.html
3.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/objects/button.asp

James Aylard



From prosayist at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 26 13:19:01 2002
From: prosayist at yahoo.com (Dan Stockton)
Date: Thu Sep 26 13:19:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] stripping emails and replacing with forms to combat spam
Message-ID: <20020926181804.19040.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com>

>Hi All
hey!
>I am starting today with a mission of action.
good plan ANYday :)
> I would like to know what you guys think of this.
.. shoot
>Having embedded many contact email addreses within sites for all the right
>and possitive reasons.  The point has come where spam spam spam has just
>sprialled out of control.
happens to the best of us
>So the plan is this.  To remove all email addresses from sites and replace
>them with a contact form.
yeah, that's one way to do it
>The question(s) is/are.  Is this going to stop/reduce spam
>(in the long term)
my answer(s) is/are 'yes' as spambots (AFAIK and judging from the
information concluded in my own recent studies into this matter) scan the
html for anything that say "href=mailto:".. k, sorry for interrupting; go
on...
>and will this be a more effective way for people to make
>contact for whatever reason(s)?
my answer(s) to this part of the two-part question would also be 'yes' (in
mY case) as I (for one) would much rather fill in a form than open up my
mail

what I've done (am currently doing?) is a PHP function:

FUNCTION MAILTO($MAILTOADDRESS){
$ADD_RESS=STR_REPLACE('.',' dot ',STR_REPLACE('@',' at ',$MAILTOADDRESS));
$ENCODEDADDRESS=URLENCODE($MAILTOADDRESS);
$MAIL_TO_ADDRESS=STR_REPLACE('@',' at ',$MAILTOADDRESS);
PRINT"<script type=\"text/javascript\" language=\"javascript\">
var a, s, n;
function ScReWuPtHeSpAmBoTs(s)
{r='';for(i=0;i<s.length;i++){n=s.charCodeAt(i); if (n>=8364) {n = 128;} r
+= String.fromCharCode( n - 3 ); }return r;}
a =\"?d#rqIrfxv@%li+wklv1eoxu,wklv1eoxu+,%#kuhi@%pdlowr=\";
document.write (ScReWuPtHeSpAmBoTs(a));
</script>$ENCODEDADDRESS\" title=\"Send Mail To: ".$MAIL_TO_ADDRESS."\"
/>".$ADD_RESS."</a>";}

Calling this function as MAILTO(user at domain.tld) would produce:
<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">
var a, s, n;
function ScReWuPtHeSpAmBoTs(s)
{r='';for(i=0;i<s.length;i++){n=s.charCodeAt(i); if (n>=8364) {n = 128;} r
+= String.fromCharCode( n - 3 ); }return r;}
a ="?d#rqIrfxv@%li+wklv1eoxu,wklv1eoxu+,%#kuhi@%pdlowr=";
document.write (ScReWuPtHeSpAmBoTs(a));
</script>user%domain.tld" title="Send Mail To: user at domain.tld" />user at
domain dot tld</a>
(but it actually functions as <a href=mailto:user at domain>)

.. you could also use another language (ASP,CFM.. ) or you could just do it
manually! The most important part of this is the javascript function
'ScReWuPtHeSpAmBoTs(s)'

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From prosayist at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 26 13:22:01 2002
From: prosayist at yahoo.com (Dan Stockton)
Date: Thu Sep 26 13:22:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] stripping emails and replacing with forms to combat spam
Message-ID: <20020926182202.19803.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com>

prosayist just sent a message that included the following line:
>.. would produce:
>.. </script>user%domain.tld"

when, in all actuality and utmost truthfulness, the preceding script would
produce (at the specified location):

</script>user%40domain.tld"

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From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk  Thu Sep 26 13:59:02 2002
From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew Maynes)
Date: Thu Sep 26 13:59:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] stripping emails and replacing with forms to combat spam
In-Reply-To: <20020926182202.19803.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCCEJCDMAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>

I haven't tried this... What is prosayist?

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[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Dan Stockton
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 07:22
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] stripping emails and replacing with forms to
combat spam


prosayist just sent a message that included the following line:
>.. would produce:
>.. </script>user%domain.tld"

when, in all actuality and utmost truthfulness, the preceding script would
produce (at the specified location):

</script>user%40domain.tld"

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From carmodyryan at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 26 14:08:05 2002
From: carmodyryan at hotmail.com (Ryan Carmody)
Date: Thu Sep 26 14:08:05 2002
Subject: [thelist] url variables
Message-ID: <F1998aUFLUH2s3CfuHS000046ff@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Is there a way to pass a url var with value equal to a string that contains
equal signs and ampersands so that that string value isn't seen as separate
vars and values.  Here's what I'm trying to do, pass this in the url,
return_page=read.cfm?email_ID=384&folder_ID=1&sort_by=date_time_io&sort_order=1,
and have return_page get set to the string
'read.cfm?email_ID=384&folder_ID=1&sort_by=date_time_io&sort_order=1'.  Is
this possible?  Any help is appreciated.  I'm trying to do this with js and
cf.

Thanks,
Ryan

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From wade_lists at runstrong.com  Thu Sep 26 14:33:01 2002
From: wade_lists at runstrong.com (Wade Armstrong)
Date: Thu Sep 26 14:33:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Find-and-Replace in SQL
Message-ID: <B9B8AEC3.2A23E%wade_lists@runstrong.com>

I have a client who has changed their company's name. Many moons ago, we
built these folks a Web site with a content management system using SQL
Server 7.0 and ASP. Their site has grown to a couple hundred pages, and I'd
love to be able to just put in some SQL command like "REPLACE 'Old Company
Name' WITH 'New Company Name' IN table_name" but sadly it seems that REPLACE
doesn't work that way. Is there a way to do this in straight SQL?

Wade




From lists at pinetree.net  Thu Sep 26 14:39:01 2002
From: lists at pinetree.net (Oren Levin)
Date: Thu Sep 26 14:39:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] url variables
In-Reply-To: <F1998aUFLUH2s3CfuHS000046ff@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLPEJOJDELLBIKBMOEEELEBAA.lists@pinetree.net>

One thing you might try is to translate the & and = in the value to ^ and ~
in the URL and then translate them back in your code so that your key-pair
you pass looks like:

return_page=read.cfm?email_ID~384^folder_ID~1^sort_by~date_time_io^sort_orde
r~1

We do this all the time on the audible.com site as in:

www.audible.com/adbl/store/welcome.jsp?source_code=AUDW0146WS072701&entryRed
irect=/store/sitePage.jsp&entryParams=^Type~StephenKing

Hope that helps.

Oren

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-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ryan Carmody
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:07 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] url variables


Hi all,

Is there a way to pass a url var with value equal to a string that contains
equal signs and ampersands so that that string value isn't seen as separate
vars and values.  Here's what I'm trying to do, pass this in the url,
return_page=read.cfm?email_ID=384&folder_ID=1&sort_by=date_time_io&sort_orde
r=1,
and have return_page get set to the string
'read.cfm?email_ID=384&folder_ID=1&sort_by=date_time_io&sort_order=1'.  Is
this possible?  Any help is appreciated.  I'm trying to do this with js and
cf.

Thanks,
Ryan

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From joelstevenson at mac.com  Thu Sep 26 14:49:01 2002
From: joelstevenson at mac.com (Joel Stevenson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 14:49:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] url variables
In-Reply-To: <F1998aUFLUH2s3CfuHS000046ff@hotmail.com>
References: <F1998aUFLUH2s3CfuHS000046ff@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b04b9b913f31776@[192.168.1.100]>

Ryan,

you can use the escape () function, e.g.:

var destination = 'http://someurl.com';
destination += '?return_page=' + escape (document.location);

-Joel


From cvos at netpaths.net  Thu Sep 26 15:03:01 2002
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Thu Sep 26 15:03:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Re: e-commerce resources
In-Reply-To: <20020926042500.CD50A3A19@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <B9B8B5E3.7602%cvos@netpaths.net>

An excellent store is oscommerce.com



On 9/25/02 9:25 PM, "thelist-request at lists.evolt.org"
<thelist-request at lists.evolt.org> wrote:

> Katherine Evans wrote:
>> I'd also love to hear about any tools and prebuilt
>> componants out there that I could use, and how difficult
>> they are to integrate into a cohesive site.




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From samiam at sam-i-am.com  Thu Sep 26 15:05:01 2002
From: samiam at sam-i-am.com (sam)
Date: Thu Sep 26 15:05:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <3D9252A0.4020003@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261127040.22617-100000@ns.linkfinity.net>

May I humbly submit
http://www.tmobile.com
to this thread.. the (translucent) menus were done jointly by a colleague
and I (i think --
though maybe he did more than I come to think of it)

But this is the CSS route - no checkerboard images in sight. You should
see the effect in winIE5.5+ and NN6+/Mozilla. Just rollover the topnav.
It's deliberately subtle, but there. Also features css drop shadows.

Sam




On Thu, 26 Sep 2002,
Paul Bennett wrote:

> umm, I wasn't  the one who put together the example pages, but I will
> take the praise anyway...:)
>
>
>
>



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 26 15:06:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Sep 26 15:06:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] url variables
In-Reply-To: <F1998aUFLUH2s3CfuHS000046ff@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPKEMDHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

ryan,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Ryan Carmody
>
> Is there a way to pass a url var with value equal to a
> string that contains equal signs and ampersands so that
> that string value isn't seen as separate vars and
> values.  Here's what I'm trying to do, pass this in the
> url, return_page=read.cfm?email_ID=384&folder_ID=1&
> sort_by=date_time_io&sort_order=1, and have return_page
> get set to the string 'read.cfm?email_ID=384&folder_ID=1
> &sort_by=date_time_io&sort_order=1'.  Is this possible?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

it sure is.  you just need to escape or encode the string first.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> I'm trying to do this with js [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

escape(string);

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> [...] and cf.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

URLEncodedFormat(string)

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From ccosta at servidores.net  Thu Sep 26 15:07:00 2002
From: ccosta at servidores.net (Carlos Costa Portela)
Date: Thu Sep 26 15:07:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Find-and-Replace in SQL
In-Reply-To: <B9B8AEC3.2A23E%wade_lists@runstrong.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209262205110.12091-100000@casa.ccp.servidores.net>

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Wade Armstrong wrote:
> I have a client who has changed their company's name. Many moons ago, we
> built these folks a Web site with a content management system using SQL
> Server 7.0 and ASP. Their site has grown to a couple hundred pages, and I'd
> love to be able to just put in some SQL command like "REPLACE 'Old Company
> Name' WITH 'New Company Name' IN table_name" but sadly it seems that REPLACE
> doesn't work that way. Is there a way to do this in straight SQL?

	Try with

	UPDATE table_name SET name='New Company Name' where name='Old
Company Name' ;

	Is there a lot of tuples with 'Old Company Name' ?

	Hope this helps,
		Carlos.

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From wade_lists at runstrong.com  Thu Sep 26 15:19:02 2002
From: wade_lists at runstrong.com (Wade Armstrong)
Date: Thu Sep 26 15:19:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Find-and-Replace in SQL
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209262205110.12091-100000@casa.ccp.servidores.net>
Message-ID: <B9B8B9C2.2A260%wade_lists@runstrong.com>

on 9/26/02 1:06 PM, Carlos Costa Portela at ccosta at servidores.net wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Wade Armstrong wrote:
>> I have a client who has changed their company's name. Many moons ago, we
>> built these folks a Web site with a content management system using SQL
>> Server 7.0 and ASP. Their site has grown to a couple hundred pages, and I'd
>> love to be able to just put in some SQL command like "REPLACE 'Old Company
>> Name' WITH 'New Company Name' IN table_name" but sadly it seems that REPLACE
>> doesn't work that way. Is there a way to do this in straight SQL?
>
> Try with
>
> UPDATE table_name SET name='New Company Name' where name='Old
> Company Name' ;
>
> Is there a lot of tuples with 'Old Company Name' ?
>
> Hope this helps,
> Carlos.

It would if I had made myself clear.

The problem is, each page's copy is stored in a table that looks like this:
pageid int identity(1,1)
pagetitle varchar(255)
pagecopy varchar(8000)

The "Old Company Name" needs to be replaced with "New Company Name" in
pagecopy, a varchar field holding all of the page's copy, without disturbing
the rest of the copy.

Thanks again. I clearly need lots more coffee today!

Wade



From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Sep 26 15:26:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 15:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Find-and-Replace in SQL
References: <B9B8B9C2.2A260%wade_lists@runstrong.com>
Message-ID: <015501c2659a$c0db9460$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:18 PM


> The problem is, each page's copy is stored in a table that looks like
this:
> pageid int identity(1,1)
> pagetitle varchar(255)
> pagecopy varchar(8000)
>
> The "Old Company Name" needs to be replaced with "New Company Name" in
> pagecopy, a varchar field holding all of the page's copy, without
disturbing
> the rest of the copy.
>
> Thanks again. I clearly need lots more coffee today!

How about:

UPDATE companypage
SET pagetitle = Replace(pagetitle, 'Old Company Name', 'New Company Name')
  , pagecopy = Replace(pagecopy, 'Old Company Name', 'New Company Name')

This should work on SQL Server.

-joshua



From lalo at teligens.com  Thu Sep 26 15:57:01 2002
From: lalo at teligens.com (Eduardo Dominguez)
Date: Thu Sep 26 15:57:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] vertical aligning a div contents with css
Message-ID: <3D93789F.4040304@teligens.com>

I am trying to align the contents of a div to the bottom of it like so:

   +------------+
   |            |
   |            | <-- div
   | contents   |
   +------------+

The div has a specific height, and thus far, the text always appear on
top. I have used vertical-align to no success.

Am I missing something ?

--
thanks




From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com  Thu Sep 26 16:02:01 2002
From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer)
Date: Thu Sep 26 16:02:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261127040.22617-100000@ns.linkfinity.net>
Message-ID: <00ab01c2659f$eb642710$0201a8c0@yoda>

> May I humbly submit
> http://www.tmobile.com
> to this thread.. the (translucent) menus were done jointly by a
colleague
> and I (i think --
> though maybe he did more than I come to think of it)
>
> But this is the CSS route - no checkerboard images in sight. You
should
> see the effect in winIE5.5+ and NN6+/Mozilla. Just rollover the
topnav.
> It's deliberately subtle, but there. Also features css drop shadows.

IE6/W2K - nothing! No drop-downs, no changes, no
what-ever-you-are-touting. Nice in Moz though!



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 26 16:09:00 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Sep 26 16:09:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <00ab01c2659f$eb642710$0201a8c0@yoda>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPCENCHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

lon,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: lon.kraemer
>
> > http://www.tmobile.com
>
> IE6/W2K - nothing! No drop-downs, no changes, no
> what-ever-you-are-touting. Nice in Moz though!
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

look again lon.  it's the top nav -- products, plans, coverage, company info, help, my t-mobile.  it's actually *very* nicely done.

.jeff

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From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Thu Sep 26 16:09:12 2002
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Thu Sep 26 16:09:12 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261127040.22617-100000@ns.linkfinity.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAAEDCKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

> You should
> see the effect in winIE5.5+ and NN6+/Mozilla. Just rollover
> the topnav.
> It's deliberately subtle, but there. Also features css drop shadows.

You need to look at it in IE6.0 (winxp SP1)  there are no, nada zip
dropdowns at all from the top navbar, so all navigation is lost.....



From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Thu Sep 26 16:12:01 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Thu Sep 26 16:12:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] vertical aligning a div contents with css
Message-ID: <121090-220029426211146500@northsound.net>

Try setting the top padding of the CSS class
Like so

.aaa {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
color: #000000;
height: 500px;
width: 200px;
border-style: outset;
border-top-width: 2px;
border-right-width: 2px;
border-bottom-width: 2px;
border-left-width: 2px;
padding-top: 150px; <-- This is what I am talking about.
padding-right: 20px;
padding-bottom: 20px;
padding-left: 20px;
}

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From Greg.Cymbala at Den.Galileo.com  Thu Sep 26 16:14:01 2002
From: Greg.Cymbala at Den.Galileo.com (Cymbala, Greg)
Date: Thu Sep 26 16:14:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
Message-ID: <F9229CA713C32F41B9F80DAB00D3311B155AAE@denexc04.galileo.com>

Funny -- when I first tried to open it on IE 6 on Win XP, it hung the
browser.  On the second attempt it worked.

Reminds me of the menu at http://webfx.eae.net/ (a decent DHMTL site with
some cool toys).

The significant item is this CSS:

    filter:alpha(opacity=95);

Although ... I really can't think of a reason why a DHTML menu should be
transparent, except ... Because it can.

Greg


-----Original Message-----
From: lon.kraemer [mailto:lwkraemer at directvinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:02 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] css "transparency"


> May I humbly submit
> http://www.tmobile.com
> to this thread.. the (translucent) menus were done jointly by a
colleague
> and I (i think --
> though maybe he did more than I come to think of it)
>
> But this is the CSS route - no checkerboard images in sight. You
should
> see the effect in winIE5.5+ and NN6+/Mozilla. Just rollover the
topnav.
> It's deliberately subtle, but there. Also features css drop shadows.

IE6/W2K - nothing! No drop-downs, no changes, no what-ever-you-are-touting.
Nice in Moz though!


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From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Sep 26 16:15:00 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 16:15:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPCENCHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <01ce01c265a1$a66d5bc0$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: ".jeff" <jeff at members.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:11 PM


> > IE6/W2K - nothing! No drop-downs, no changes, no
> > what-ever-you-are-touting. Nice in Moz though!
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
> look again lon.  it's the top nav -- products, plans, coverage, company
info, help, my t-mobile.  it's actually *very* nicely done.

I want some of whatever you're smokin .jeff.  On win 2k, ie 6 I don't see
any thing swell either.  Just a couple of links up there.  At least they
change to underlined when I hover over them.

-joshua



From cparker at swatgear.com  Thu Sep 26 16:27:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Thu Sep 26 16:27:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DEB2@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Olson [mailto:joshua at waetech.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:14 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] css "transparency"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ".jeff" <jeff at members.evolt.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:11 PM
>
>
> > > IE6/W2K - nothing! No drop-downs, no changes, no
> > > what-ever-you-are-touting. Nice in Moz though!
> > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> >
> > look again lon.  it's the top nav -- products, plans,
> coverage, company
> info, help, my t-mobile.  it's actually *very* nicely done.
>
> I want some of whatever you're smokin .jeff.  On win 2k, ie 6
> I don't see
> any thing swell either.  Just a couple of links up there.  At
> least they
> change to underlined when I hover over them.

+1

nothing happening here either. for a minute (or two) i thought i was
some sort of moron clicking and hovering in all the wrong places, not
able to follow instructions. good thing to know i'm not alone.


chris.


From paul at teltest.com  Thu Sep 26 16:32:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Thu Sep 26 16:32:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DEB2@ati-ex-01.ati.local>
Message-ID: <3D937D82.7040406@teltest.com>

?? I get drop downs on ie6 / win2k (sp2)
They just take a little while to load

Chris W. Parker wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joshua Olson [mailto:joshua at waetech.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:14 PM
>>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>>Subject: Re: [thelist] css "transparency"
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: ".jeff" <jeff at members.evolt.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:11 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>IE6/W2K - nothing! No drop-downs, no changes, no
>>>>what-ever-you-are-touting. Nice in Moz though!
>>>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>>>>
>>>>
>>>look again lon.  it's the top nav -- products, plans,
>>>
>>>
>>coverage, company
>>info, help, my t-mobile.  it's actually *very* nicely done.
>>
>>I want some of whatever you're smokin .jeff.  On win 2k, ie 6
>>I don't see
>>any thing swell either.  Just a couple of links up there.  At
>>least they
>>change to underlined when I hover over them.
>>
>>
>
>+1
>
>nothing happening here either. for a minute (or two) i thought i was
>some sort of moron clicking and hovering in all the wrong places, not
>able to follow instructions. good thing to know i'm not alone.
>
>
>chris.
>
>

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From list at deuxtowers.com  Thu Sep 26 17:28:05 2002
From: list at deuxtowers.com (Matthieu Guyonnet-Duluc)
Date: Thu Sep 26 17:28:05 2002
Subject: [thelist] Bug in css for pocket ie ?
Message-ID: <000701c265ab$ce4bc3c0$0200a8c0@deuxtowers.com>

Hello !

This webmail http://www.deuxtowers.com/webmail/ that i can use everyday
with my desktop browsers, seems to be buggy in pocket ie on Ipaq 3850
(pocketpc 2002) : the tables have a black background color and i cannot
read any content.

I've tried to check the css (
http://www.deuxtowers.com/webmail/jmailbox.css ) but without success.

Thanks for any help.

Matthieu
matthieu at deuxtowers.com
http://www.deuxtowers.com/matthieu



From jonhall at ozline.net  Thu Sep 26 17:30:07 2002
From: jonhall at ozline.net (jon hall)
Date: Thu Sep 26 17:30:07 2002
Subject: [thelist] vertical aligning a div contents with css
In-Reply-To: <3D93789F.4040304@teligens.com>
References: <3D93789F.4040304@teligens.com>
Message-ID: <175554005968.20020926183033@ozline.net>

If you know the height of the text adjusting the the padding of the
sub-element holding the text will work.

<div style="height: 500px; width: 500px; position: absolute; background-color: #ffffff;">
        <p style="padding-top: 400px">Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet</p>
</div>

--
 jon
 mailto:jonhall at ozline.net

Thursday, September 26, 2002, 5:14:07 PM, you wrote:
ED> I am trying to align the contents of a div to the bottom of it like so:

ED>    +------------+
ED>    |            |
ED>    |            | <-- div
ED>    | contents   |
ED>    +------------+

ED> The div has a specific height, and thus far, the text always appear on
ED> top. I have used vertical-align to no success.

ED> Am I missing something ?

ED> --
ED> thanks



From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Thu Sep 26 17:47:03 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Thu Sep 26 17:47:03 2002
Subject: [thelist] Bug in css for pocket ie ?
Message-ID: <199160-22002942622462546@northsound.net>

Why don't you make a seperate CSS file just for PDA browsers.

like so

<style type="text/css" media="all">@import "main.css";</style>
<link rel="alternate stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen"
title="PC" href="pc.css" />
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="handheld"
href="pda.css" />
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From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Sep 26 17:56:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Sep 26 17:56:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <01ce01c265a1$a66d5bc0$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPEENOHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

joshua,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Joshua Olson
>
> > look again lon.  it's the top nav -- products, plans,
> > coverage, company info, help, my t-mobile.  it's
> > actually *very* nicely done.
>
> I want some of whatever you're smokin .jeff.  On win 2k,
> ie 6 I don't see any thing swell either.  Just a couple
> of links up there.  At least they change to underlined
> when I hover over them.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

to see what i'm seeing:
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/screen_caps/tmobile.gif

win2k/ie6.0.2600.0000

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From cparker at swatgear.com  Thu Sep 26 17:59:01 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Thu Sep 26 17:59:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DEB3@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: .jeff [mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org]
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] css "transparency"

<snip />

> to see what i'm seeing:
> http://members.evolt.org/jeff/screen_caps/tmobile.gif
>
> win2k/ie6.0.2600.0000

that's odd, i never saw that! i'm using win2k/ie6.0.2800.1106

i even held my mouse over the stupid link for like a minute and still
nothing happened.


chris.


From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Thu Sep 26 18:03:01 2002
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Thu Sep 26 18:03:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPEENOHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEEDIKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

> to see what i'm seeing:
> http://members.evolt.org/jeff/screen_caps/tmobile.gif
>
> win2k/ie6.0.2600.0000

nice.

IE6.02800.1106.xpsp1.020828-1920 on WinXP gives a noshow on dropdowns
unfortunately.

(I looked in Netscape 7.0 to see what I was missing)



From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Sep 26 18:13:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu Sep 26 18:13:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPEENOHEAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <021601c265b2$1eb70490$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: ".jeff" <jeff at members.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:57 PM


> to see what i'm seeing:
> http://members.evolt.org/jeff/screen_caps/tmobile.gif
>
> win2k/ie6.0.2600.0000

.jeff,

When I try to search for coverage in my area (submitting the form on
http://www.tmobile.com/locator.asp?referer=/coverage/default.asp) I get a
message saying that my cookies are disabled.  I wonder, if by some odd
reason, that the error that is causing the dropdowns not to appear is also
causing it to say my cookies are disabled?

-joshua



From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com  Thu Sep 26 18:17:00 2002
From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer)
Date: Thu Sep 26 18:17:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] vertical aligning a div contents with css
References: <3D93789F.4040304@teligens.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c265b2$d04ebb80$0201a8c0@yoda>

> I am trying to align the contents of a div to the bottom of it like
so:
>
>    +------------+
>    |            |
>    |            | <-- div
>    | contents   |
>    +------------+
>
> The div has a specific height, and thus far, the text always appear on
> top. I have used vertical-align to no success.

Unfortunately, this is NOT possible with CSS today. If this is a "must",
use a table.

--
Lon Kraemer
-----------------------------------------



From lists at tntluoma.com  Thu Sep 26 18:23:00 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Thu Sep 26 18:23:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Bug in css for pocket ie ?
References: <199160-22002942622462546@northsound.net>
Message-ID: <3D9396A4.5090608@tntluoma.com>

> Why don't you make a seperate CSS file just for PDA browsers.

Pocket IE doesn't support any CSS

TjL

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From paul at teltest.com  Thu Sep 26 18:28:00 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Thu Sep 26 18:28:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] css validator download
References: <199160-22002942622462546@northsound.net>
Message-ID: <3D9398DB.20407@teltest.com>

is it worth actually downloading the validator (s) from w3c. Has anyone
done so successfully. (It is not the easiest job to get human legible
info from that site.)



From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Thu Sep 26 18:57:01 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Thu Sep 26 18:57:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Bug in css for pocket ie ?
Message-ID: <27600-220029426235616218@northsound.net>

Oh.. Your right.. My bad. I don't have one.
Try the MSDN docs

What's New in Pocket Internet Explorer
http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/developer/technicalarticles/whatsnewpi
e.asp

and
Make Your Web Applications Support Pocket PC
http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/developer/technicalarticles/webappsupp
ort.asp

The Palm OS 5 Web Browser will have CSS support.
XHTML, WML 2.0, CSS 1 and 2, animated GIFs and PNG files, ECMAScript
(Javascript), and J2ME

I can't wait to get it.
http://www.infosync.no/system/print/index.php?id=2314


>---- Original Message ----
>From: lists at tntluoma.com

>>
>>> Why don't you make a seperate CSS file just for PDA browsers.
>>
>>Pocket IE doesn't support any CSS
>>
>>TjL

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From eduardobk at via-rs.net  Thu Sep 26 19:58:01 2002
From: eduardobk at via-rs.net (Eduardo Bacchi Kienetz)
Date: Thu Sep 26 19:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] anyone have a good log parsing script for UA?
In-Reply-To: <20020926163058.3DB33BFC2@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020926203944.00b24b20@pro.via-rs.com.br>

I use AWStats which, in my opinion, is much better than Webaliser.

http://awstats.sourceforge.net/

Eduardo Bacchi Kienetz

>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:57:44 -0400
>From: "Timothy J. Luoma" <lists at tntluoma.com>
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: [thelist] anyone have a good log parsing script for UA?
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>
>
>I'm trying to get a simple text output (no fancy HTML needed) of
>information from my Apache logs
>
>Google gives me the phone book on any searches I do :-/
>
>What I am looking for:
>
>breakdown of browsers
>         IE Total
>                 IE v5, IE5.5, IE6
>
>         Opera Total
>                 6.05, 6.04, etc
>
>         Netscape 4
>
>         Mozilla/Netscape 6+
>
>and so forth
>
>I can handle the rest of what I need... it's the browser part that is
>causing me fits because there are so many
>
>TjL



From lists at tntluoma.com  Thu Sep 26 21:29:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Thu Sep 26 21:29:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css validator download
References: <199160-22002942622462546@northsound.net> <3D9398DB.20407@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <3D93C254.8040502@tntluoma.com>

Paul Bennett wrote:

 > is it worth actually downloading the validator (s) from w3c.

IMO no... it is worth downloading TopStyle[1] (Windows only, iirc) and
testing it out.

 > Has anyone done so successfully.

I'm sure someone has, but I have not been able to get it to work on my
site.  Foolish, really... it would benefit them to have an
easy-to-install version so that people who would like to can use it on
their own servers rather than using W3C's bandwidth and server power.

 > (It is not the easiest job to get human legible info from that site.)

True

[1]Topstyle, of which I am nothing more than a satisfied user, will give
you better information than the validator.  It also tells you about
potential browser-specific bugs, etc.

http://bradsoft.com/topstyle/

TjL


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From rlmcfarland at attbi.com  Thu Sep 26 21:45:01 2002
From: rlmcfarland at attbi.com (Richard McFarland)
Date: Thu Sep 26 21:45:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEEDIKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B9B912A2.12F5%rlmcfarland@attbi.com>

Mac IE 5.1.3(4012) does show the drop-downs, but they are completely opaque
and lack the drop shadows (alas). Anyone peeked at how much code is behind
this page?!

Richard
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> From: "Tony Crockford" <tonyc at boldfish.co.uk>
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:02:17 +0100
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: [thelist] css "transparency"
>
>
>> to see what i'm seeing:
>> http://members.evolt.org/jeff/screen_caps/tmobile.gif
>>
>> win2k/ie6.0.2600.0000
>
> nice.
>
> IE6.02800.1106.xpsp1.020828-1920 on WinXP gives a noshow on dropdowns
> unfortunately.
>
> (I looked in Netscape 7.0 to see what I was missing)
>
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From list01 at theparagon.org  Thu Sep 26 22:04:01 2002
From: list01 at theparagon.org ({ schaapy })
Date: Thu Sep 26 22:04:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
Message-ID: <029001c265d3$6ffef580$6401a8c0@schaapy>

For the most part I think I'm done. If you all can just take a peek at
http://www.nmdesigngroup.com/ and let me know what you think it would really
help out alot. Everything should validate.

One sad thing is that my boss really wants this site to work in NN 4.x
(which he told me after I was done with the site). Is there a way I can have
this work more in NN4.x or should I just make a browser sniffer to direct
NN4.x users to a different TABLE'ed site?

Thanks All :-)

-----------------------
Aaron Schaap
www.theparagon.org



From paul at teltest.com  Thu Sep 26 22:15:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Thu Sep 26 22:15:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
References: <029001c265d3$6ffef580$6401a8c0@schaapy>
Message-ID: <3D93CDE5.3030601@teltest.com>

all the content is there in NN4 (NN4.75 on win2k) there are no
legilbility issues or weird div happenings, so the only issue is colour
and a little bit of layout. I would stick with what you have. Get your
server logs and tell him you'll give him 10 bucks if he can find 50
users with NN4+

{ schaapy } wrote:

>For the most part I think I'm done. If you all can just take a peek at
>http://www.nmdesigngroup.com/ and let me know what you think it would really
>help out alot. Everything should validate.
>
>One sad thing is that my boss really wants this site to work in NN 4.x
>(which he told me after I was done with the site). Is there a way I can have
>this work more in NN4.x or should I just make a browser sniffer to direct
>NN4.x users to a different TABLE'ed site?
>
>Thanks All :-)
>
>-----------------------
>Aaron Schaap
>www.theparagon.org
>
>
>

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From dbindel at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 26 22:27:01 2002
From: dbindel at austin.rr.com (David Bindel)
Date: Thu Sep 26 22:27:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
In-Reply-To: <029001c265d3$6ffef580$6401a8c0@schaapy>
Message-ID: <KFEDKCDLJCPGIDGACLAOEENGCCAA.dbindel@austin.rr.com>

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> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:11 PM
> To: thelist
> Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
>
> For the most part I think I'm done. If you all can just take a peek
> at http://www.nmdesigngroup.com/ and let me know what you think it
> would really
> help out alot. Everything should validate.

All of your pages validate EXCEPT FOR the contact page.  I just tried
validating it and it looks like you forgot to (shorthand) close the
input tags (i.e. <input ... />).


HTH!

David Bindel

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From seyon at delime.com  Thu Sep 26 22:34:01 2002
From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon)
Date: Thu Sep 26 22:34:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
In-Reply-To: <029001c265d3$6ffef580$6401a8c0@schaapy>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020926232808.00a45aa8@mail.delime.com>

Message from { schaapy } (9/26/2002 11:10 PM)
>For the most part I think I'm done. If you all can just take a peek at
>http://www.nmdesigngroup.com/ and let me know what you think it would really
>help out alot. Everything should validate.

Not intending to offend anyone, but I'm wondering if all the copy in there
is dummy text or if it's the final text.

For some reason the spoon masthead doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the
site. Took me several page clicks before I realised it wasn't an ad. And
all that while I had been thinking "why are they selling banner advertising
on their corporate site".

regards.
-m


From jmetcalf at northsound.net  Thu Sep 26 22:46:00 2002
From: jmetcalf at northsound.net (Jacob Metcalf)
Date: Thu Sep 26 22:46:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
Message-ID: <65590-22002952734544203@northsound.net>

Also you might suggest that your boss read

Fluid Thinking
By Peter-Paul Koch
http://www.digital-web.com/columns/keepitsimple/keepitsimple_2002-09.s
html
Jacob Metcalf
http://www.8bitjoystick.com/ Press Start to Play

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From framar at interlog.com  Thu Sep 26 23:03:01 2002
From: framar at interlog.com (Frank)
Date: Thu Sep 26 23:03:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Software: PC alternative to MacOSX Dock?
Message-ID: <15861231536.20020927000142@interlog.com>

When my Mac still lived, I used a wonderful (wonderful!)
program called "DragThing". I'm currently using Aladdin's
DragStrip, but I don't really care for it.

What would you recommend as a PC alternative to it?


--
A whisper's breeze sways,
a shout's tempest breaks.

Frank Marion
framar at interlog.com
http://www.frankmarion.com





From list01 at theparagon.org  Thu Sep 26 23:14:01 2002
From: list01 at theparagon.org ({ schaapy })
Date: Thu Sep 26 23:14:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
References: <4000-22002952732154718@northsound.net>
Message-ID: <02e001c265dd$3185df30$6401a8c0@schaapy>

[snip]
> a non implemented feature is showing in your source code.
[/snip]

Yea, I had to go home and will finish that tomorrow. I just put that there
so I wouldn't forget what I was thinking about doing :-)

[snip]
> Your CSS on Netscape 4 is really hard to read at 10 pixels.
[/snip]

It might be a good idea if I set this to 12px or not even set it at all in
Netscape. I'll play around with that, thanks.

-----------------------
Aaron Schaap
www.theparagon.org



From list01 at theparagon.org  Thu Sep 26 23:20:01 2002
From: list01 at theparagon.org ({ schaapy })
Date: Thu Sep 26 23:20:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
References: <4.2.0.58.20020926232808.00a45aa8@mail.delime.com>
Message-ID: <02e801c265dd$fd886f30$6401a8c0@schaapy>

[snip]
> Not intending to offend anyone, but I'm wondering if all the copy in there
> is dummy text or if it's the final text.
>
> For some reason the spoon masthead doesn't seem to fit with the rest of
the
> site. Took me several page clicks before I realised it wasn't an ad. And
> all that while I had been thinking "why are they selling banner
advertising
> on their corporate site".
[/snip]

No - not offended at all. I need that type of feedback.

The text that is in there right now is just what was given to me. I'm sure
someone will rewrite this. If not I will suggest it or maybe do it myself if
I'm feeling crazy.

The top graphic (the spoon) is actually supposed to be there but I would be
interested in how you think it may look better. With or without the spoon.
I'm hoping to design a couple different top graphics to throw into the mix.

-----------------------
Aaron Schaap
www.theparagon.org



From seyon at delime.com  Thu Sep 26 23:34:05 2002
From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon)
Date: Thu Sep 26 23:34:05 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
In-Reply-To: <02e801c265dd$fd886f30$6401a8c0@schaapy>
References: <4.2.0.58.20020926232808.00a45aa8@mail.delime.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020927002833.022a5da0@mail.delime.com>

Message from { schaapy } (9/27/2002 12:26 AM)
>[snip]
> > Not intending to offend anyone, but I'm wondering if all the copy in there
> > is dummy text or if it's the final text.
> >
> > For some reason the spoon masthead doesn't seem to fit with the rest of
>the
> > site. Took me several page clicks before I realised it wasn't an ad. And
> > all that while I had been thinking "why are they selling banner
>advertising
> > on their corporate site".
>[/snip]
>
>No - not offended at all. I need that type of feedback.
>
>The top graphic (the spoon) is actually supposed to be there but I would be
>interested in how you think it may look better. With or without the spoon.
>I'm hoping to design a couple different top graphics to throw into the mix.

Perhaps if the logo were the most prominent thing?
Not the "something big and indirectly related to catch their attention" a
la magazine or newspaper ads.

-m


From paul at teltest.com  Thu Sep 26 23:49:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Thu Sep 26 23:49:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mozilla bug?
References: <65590-22002952734544203@northsound.net>
Message-ID: <3D93E3FB.3040603@teltest.com>

OK something weird is going on with my moz browser. When i minimize it,
it pops back up from the taskbar straight away. I have restarted and it
still does it?? It is dang annoying.




From chris at fuzzylizard.com  Thu Sep 26 23:57:01 2002
From: chris at fuzzylizard.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Thu Sep 26 23:57:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mozilla bug?
References: <65590-22002952734544203@northsound.net> <3D93E3FB.3040603@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <3D93F363.5040306@fuzzylizard.com>

Yea Mozilla always does that for me whenever I tell it to find a site
and then minimize it. Once it gets the new site, it pops right back up
just as proud as can be. I have not found a way to cure it of this habit
though.

/chris

Paul Bennett wrote:

> OK something weird is going on with my moz browser. When i minimize it,
> it pops back up from the taskbar straight away. I have restarted and it
> still does it?? It is dang annoying.
>
>
--
www.fuzzylizard.com
chris at fuzzylizard.com





From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Thu Sep 26 23:58:01 2002
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Thu Sep 26 23:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Site Check Please
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020926232808.00a45aa8@mail.delime.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHEEFFEDAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

Aaron,

I like it.  It has a smooth look and feel.  (Can I steal your nav
buttons?)

Now the nit-picks:  (using Win2K, IE 6.0)

The banner-ad effect might be mitigated by making the "NMDG" a lot
more pronounced than the spoon and "your mother" slogan.  (An actual
picture of MY mother might also be nice. ;-)

The welcome message says a lot about the site you will someday have.
I'd get rid of any reference to future enhancements, and brag about
what's already there.

I wanted a larger font size, but was unable to change it.  I'm old,
and have trouble seeing fine fonts.

I did not understand the packages under Button / Banner Rates.
If your intended audience is more savvy about these things than
I am, then it's not a problem.  This area, and the Package Rates
area below it, might benefit from some actual examples.  I don't
think too many people have put a lot of thought into advertising
by the time they first start looking for a web developer.

Why does the Current Projects (plural) box offer one (singular)
project?  And why does that particular box persist on all pages?
(I would be more inclined to put my contact info in a templated
area like that.)  More importantly, the screenshot format leads
me to expect a link to the depicted Bid 4 Bargains page.

The OK Tires link on the Full Client List page is broken.  And all
of the URLs at the bottom of the page could probably be links.  And
again, I expected the thumbnail screenshots to be linked to the
depicted pages.

Your assertion that your competitors can't match your prices looks
a bit suspicious when I see you offering domain registration at
$35/year.

"... site are housed ..." should be "... sites are housed ..." under
Hosting on the Pricing page.

The contact page lists address and phone number for The Holland
Sentinel - (a newspaper?) but the phone number has no area code.
And if the Sentinel's phone number uses dashes why does Aaron
Pinkus' use dots?  And finally, why the heck doesn't Aaron have
an email address at NMDesignGroup.com?

When I first looked at the process page, the three numbered steps
looked somehow unrelated to the text that followed.  I think it was
the bordered, colored box around them that did that.  And I found
the paragraph numbers (particularly the leading zeros) distracting.
(Any fool can see there's three of 'em.)

Anyhow, those are my opinions;  I'm sure some very wise folks would
disagree completely.  I'd love to hear about your progress.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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dba ComSimplicity                                  (310) 838-4330
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From paul at teltest.com  Fri Sep 27 01:26:01 2002
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Fri Sep 27 01:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mozilla bug?
References: <65590-22002952734544203@northsound.net> <3D93E3FB.3040603@teltest.com> <3D93F363.5040306@fuzzylizard.com>
Message-ID: <3D93FACB.4090909@teltest.com>

but does it do it persistently, LONG after it has found the site???

Chris Johnston wrote:

> Yea Mozilla always does that for me whenever I tell it to find a site
> and then minimize it. Once it gets the new site, it pops right back up
> just as proud as can be. I have not found a way to cure it of this habit
> though.
>
> /chris
>
> Paul Bennett wrote:
>
>> OK something weird is going on with my moz browser. When i minimize it,
>> it pops back up from the taskbar straight away. I have restarted and it
>> still does it?? It is dang annoying.
>>
>>
> --
> www.fuzzylizard.com
> chris at fuzzylizard.com
>
>
>

--
Paul Bennett
Internet Developer
Teltest Electronic Design
--------------------------
Phone : 64 4 237 0767
Web : http://www.teltest.com
Wap : http://wap.teltest.com
Email : paul at teltest.com
--------------------------





From Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com  Fri Sep 27 04:27:02 2002
From: Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com (Stevenson Ngila)
Date: Fri Sep 27 04:27:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] &amp;
Message-ID: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAOEAPDAAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>

I have a database driven intranet.The data come from the DB, and it's the
user who feed the DB hence can not
control user from using '&'. Is there  a way of escaping this character if
the data comes from the DB and uses coldfussion to generate my XML document?
I have researched all over on the  internet but have not gotten an
appropriate explaination. It tells me to use '&amp;' but this data comes
from the DB, how can i pick all '&' and trasform them in to '&amp;'.

Please assist, it's this discussion i mostly rely on in terms of knowledge

Thanks,
Stevenson Ngila
Footman-Walker Associates Ltd
http://www.footman-walker.co.uk





From webdev at mountain.ch  Fri Sep 27 05:00:01 2002
From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells)
Date: Fri Sep 27 05:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Mails bouncing - security issue?
Message-ID: <D6BB1D9C-D1FF-11D6-8C87-00306549DF86@mountain.ch>

Hi all

We're getting an odd problem at work, where we'll get an email bounced
back to us occasionally with the following message.

> The following message could not be delivered because the address
> [RECIPIENT EMAIL ADDRESS] was rejected by host [RECIPIENT EMAIL HOST]
> ([RECIPIENT HOST I.P.]).
> 550 This entry was last confirmed open on 3/25/2002
> Reporting-MTA: dns; mountain.ch
> Arrival-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:12:31 +0200
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; [RECIPIENT EMAIL ADDRESS]
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 This entry was last confirmed open on
> 3/25/2002

Anyone know what may be causing this? It doesn't just happen with one
recipient, but apparently at random.

Thanks & regards
Mark Howells
<http://www.mark.ac/>
AIM: mhoaim



From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 05:03:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 05:03:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mozilla bug?
References: <65590-22002952734544203@northsound.net> <3D93E3FB.3040603@teltest.com> <3D93F363.5040306@fuzzylizard.com> <3D93FACB.4090909@teltest.com>
Message-ID: <3D942CCB.1060302@miinx.com.au>

Paul Bennett wrote:
> but does it do it persistently, LONG after it has found the site???

I've had this happen, and generally closing the offending window will
fix it.  Otherwise I may shut down & restart Moz, or even reboot if
other things have gone awry too.

Generally my triggers have been having a heap of things open, & trying
to do too many things too quickly.

hth
Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Sep 27 05:05:01 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Sep 27 05:05:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mozilla bug?
In-Reply-To: <3D93FACB.4090909@teltest.com>
References: <65590-22002952734544203@northsound.net>
 <3D93E3FB.3040603@teltest.com>
 <3D93F363.5040306@fuzzylizard.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020927030139.01ce00d0@baratta.com>

At 11:29 PM 9/26/2002, Paul Bennett wrote:
>but does it do it persistently, LONG after it has found the site???

The bug usually appears when you have 3 browsers or more open. However,
I've not seen this with v1.1. Which version are you using?
---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Fri Sep 27 05:28:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Fri Sep 27 05:28:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] &amp;
In-Reply-To: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAOEAPDAAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPGEAOHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

stevenson,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Stevenson Ngila
>
> [...] coldfussion [...] how can i pick all '&' and
> trasform them in to '&amp;'. [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

Replace(your_db_column_name, "&", "&amp;", "ALL")

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From seb_johnson2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 05:45:01 2002
From: seb_johnson2001 at yahoo.com (seb johnson)
Date: Fri Sep 27 05:45:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Does anyone have any experience of .NET ?
Message-ID: <20020927104411.68876.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>

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Does anyone have any experience of .NET ?

I have an ASP development background and am now looking into certification of some sort. I recently started MCSD training (VB6, DCOM and SQL2000) but I'm now thinking that this may be a waste of time now that Microsoft (DUCK: from flying bottles and WROX books!!) are pushing .NET and more specifically C# and the MCAD exams. The IDE looks much better than VS6 and from what I've read about C# as a language its more powerful than VB6 and VB.NET and pretty easy to pick up as well.

As a development framework and environment I think .NET actually looks really good but I'm very interested in the opinions of the Evolt community before I fully start certification - hopefully there should be a good mix of for and against opinions!

TIA

Seb



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From Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com  Fri Sep 27 05:53:01 2002
From: Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com (Stevenson Ngila)
Date: Fri Sep 27 05:53:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] &amp;
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPGEAOHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAMEBBDAAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>

Thank u very much. What if you have 2 characters to be replaced. i.e. if the
value contains both '&' and '<' How do you go about it?

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of .jeff
Sent: 27 September 2002 13:30
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] &amp;


stevenson,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Stevenson Ngila
>
> [...] coldfussion [...] how can i pick all '&' and
> trasform them in to '&amp;'. [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

Replace(your_db_column_name, "&", "&amp;", "ALL")

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/

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From webdev at mountain.ch  Fri Sep 27 05:57:00 2002
From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells)
Date: Fri Sep 27 05:57:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] &amp; - IMPORTANT NOTE
In-Reply-To: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAMEBBDAAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>
Message-ID: <C6D0777C-D207-11D6-8C87-00306549DF86@mountain.ch>

> Replace(your_db_column_name, "&", "&amp;", "ALL")

Good solution, but don't forget that if you have any encoded values in
the database like &lt; then they'll end up as &amp;lt; (which, of
course, will kill all the encoded characters).

Regards
Mark Howells
<http://www.mark.ac/>
AIM: mhoaim



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Fri Sep 27 06:05:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Fri Sep 27 06:05:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] &amp;
In-Reply-To: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAMEBBDAAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPMEAPHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

stevenson,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Stevenson Ngila
>
> Thank u very much. What if you have 2 characters to be
> replaced. i.e. if the value contains both '&' and '<'
> How do you go about it?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

well, logic would dictate that you'd apply two calls to the Replace() function to accomplish this task.  you can either do it nested or you can perform a single assignment for each one.

<cfset my_new_string = Replace(your_db_column_name, "&", "&amp;", "ALL")><cfset my_new_string = Replace(my_new_string, "<", "&lt;", "ALL")>

alternatively, you could also use the ReplaceList() function:

<cfset my_new_string = ReplaceList(your_db_column_name, "&,<", "&amp;,&lt;")>

always apply the & replacement first.

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com  Fri Sep 27 06:13:01 2002
From: Stevenson at epr.footman-walker.com (Stevenson Ngila)
Date: Fri Sep 27 06:13:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] &amp;
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPGEAOHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAIEBCDAAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>

Thx jeff, i have used #HTMLEditFormat( dbColumnName )# and it works
perfectly to eliminate any invalid character

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of .jeff
Sent: 27 September 2002 13:30
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] &amp;


stevenson,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Stevenson Ngila
>
> [...] coldfussion [...] how can i pick all '&' and
> trasform them in to '&amp;'. [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

Replace(your_db_column_name, "&", "&amp;", "ALL")

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/

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From darren at web-bitch.co.uk  Fri Sep 27 06:19:01 2002
From: darren at web-bitch.co.uk (darren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 06:19:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Does anyone have any experience of .NET ?
In-Reply-To: <20020927104411.68876.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020927104411.68876.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7010149704.20020927121820@web-bitch.co.uk>

On Friday, September 27, 2002 at 11:44, seb johnson wrote:

sj> Does anyone have any experience of .NET ?

i've been working with it for the past 18 months or so...

sj> I have an ASP development background and am now looking into
sj> certification of some sort.

you might also want to try this on the .net certification list at
aspfriends:
   http://www.aspfriends.com/aspfriends/aspngexamscertify.asp

the last time i checked (which was a few months ago), i don't think all the
.net exams had been finalized...but that could well have changed by now.

sj> The IDE looks much better than VS6

visual studio.net is so much better than vs6 it's almost unbelievable!
still does the occasional nasty thing to your code, but it's being worked
on!

there's also the free web matrix tool (www.asp.net/matrix) that has the ide
and a web server so you can happily do .net development on windows
platforms that don't support iis.

sj> and from what I've read about C# as a language its more powerful than
sj> VB6 and VB.NET and pretty easy to pick up as well.

there are only a few differences in what one language can do over another,
be it vb, c#, j# or any other language being added.  the framework is huge
with classes for just about everything and it's all accessible from your
language of choice.

sj> As a development framework and environment I think .NET actually looks
sj> really good.

personally i like it.  a lot.  you have a full programming language to use
and abuse as you like.  the code is compiled and runs much faster than
asp.classic.

there's also a good chance that the framework will end up on different
platforms.  iirc the core of the framework is already available for
freebsd, but i haven't really looked into it.

hth,

darren.



From dunstan at 1976design.com  Fri Sep 27 06:24:01 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Fri Sep 27 06:24:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows();
Message-ID: <20020927112340.M22645@1976design.com>

This is odd.

I'm running an update query on a mysql database.

// images query
$sql = ("UPDATE images SET title = '$title', date_shot = '$date_shot' WHERE
imageid = '$imageid'");

// run query
mysql_query($sql);

// count rows affected
$noar = mysql_affected_rows();

// do errors
if ($noar == '0')
	{
	$edit_images_update_error = "1";
	}
else
	{
	$edit_images_update_error = "0";
	}



If the data that's being updated has altered in any way then my number of
affected rows ($noar) returns true and my error = 0.

If the data hasn't changed, then $noar == 0, and my error = 1.


Does php/mysql compare my data then and decide that as it's the same it
doesn't need updating?

I don't get it?

Thanks - dunstan

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From jeff at members.evolt.org  Fri Sep 27 06:32:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Fri Sep 27 06:32:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] &amp;
In-Reply-To: <OOEMLIMIIBLDEKIKOHJAIEBCDAAA.Stevenson@epr.footman-walker.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPGEBAHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

stevenson,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Stevenson Ngila
>
> Thx jeff, i have used #HTMLEditFormat( dbColumnName )#
> and it works perfectly to eliminate any invalid
> character
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

if you're trying to just dump out the contents of the database column to the screen, then sure.  beware that the HTMLEditFormat() function also strips any carriage returns it finds as well so you won't be able to determine where paragraph breaks should go.  additionally, keep in mind that *any* html that's entered will be converted as well.

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From stephane.deschamps at francetelecom.com  Fri Sep 27 07:06:01 2002
From: stephane.deschamps at francetelecom.com (DESCHAMPS =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= DvSI/SICoR)
Date: Fri Sep 27 07:06:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Back in the Aeron again
In-Reply-To: <a05111b10b9b7efdf9f80@[192.168.0.10]>
Message-ID: <002801c2661e$14009630$289bf8c1@SDeschamatnw>

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]De la part de Ned Baldessin
> Envoy? : jeudi 26 septembre 2002 01:21
> ? : thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Objet : Re: [thelist] Back in the Aeron again
>
> >  skill sets employers are looking for
>
> I don't know.
> I've been working with quite a few '4-day-training-in-HTML' graphic
> designers, while doing more and more backend stuff (php etc). I don't
> recommend that path (not very creative, even on the 'generative-art'
> side of it).

Oh yes, you too?

I feel relieved. Is it me or now that we have WYSIWYG editors, everyone
claims to be a HTML coder and web designer?

For the most part what I do at the moment comes down to explaining to people
who assumedly have been in the intranet-web business for more than two years
that they should use semantic tags, stop using font tags, start using
alt+title attributes, etc.

</rant>

[and I won't include a tip because it is very on-topic as far as web people
skills are concerned ;-)))]



From webdev at mountain.ch  Fri Sep 27 07:15:01 2002
From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells)
Date: Fri Sep 27 07:15:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Back in the Aeron again
In-Reply-To: <002801c2661e$14009630$289bf8c1@SDeschamatnw>
Message-ID: <9F215842-D212-11D6-8C87-00306549DF86@mountain.ch>

> Is it me or now that we have WYSIWYG editors, everyone
> claims to be a HTML coder and web designer?

It's been like that for years, certainly since NN4.0. first shipped
with a WYSIWYG editor. I'm still getting requests from clients who want
to "have a go" at changing CSS layouts I've made, asking if I can
"write them a quick email explaining why their changes don't work in
Netscape 4" and "give them a quick run-down on how CSS works".

Grrr.
Mark Howells
<http://www.mark.ac/>
AIM: mhoaim



From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 07:32:02 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 07:32:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Back in the Aeron again
References: <9F215842-D212-11D6-8C87-00306549DF86@mountain.ch>
Message-ID: <3D944FA8.8040700@miinx.com.au>

Mark Howells wrote:
>> Is it me or now that we have WYSIWYG editors, everyone
>> claims to be a HTML coder and web designer?
>
> It's been like that for years, certainly since NN4.0. first shipped
> with a WYSIWYG editor. I'm still getting requests from clients who want
> to "have a go" at changing CSS layouts I've made, asking if I can
> "write them a quick email explaining why their changes don't work in
> Netscape 4" and "give them a quick run-down on how CSS works".
>
> Grrr.

oooo - perfect time to bring out my favourite ever post on this list,
all kudos to Chris W. Parker:

- - - - - - -
"and without being too mean (note: i said TOO mean, not mean at all), is
there ANY other profession where someone without ANY experience at all
considers themselve apart of that profession?

for example i don't go to the a hospital or write into a journal about
medicine and say "hi. i'm a doctor and i'd like to know how to do open
heart surgery and remove a cyst from my clients neck. this is my first
time, so please explain it well."

or how about an architect?

"hi i'm an architect and i was wondering if someone could tell me what
an I-beam is. thanks! please reply to my email lamer at 1337.com not the
newsgroup! and please hurry i've got a deadline with a client!!"

i'm being serious. does this sort of thing happen anywhere else? i mean,
just because i take out the trash sometimes, doesn't mean i'm a
trashman. ;)"
- - - - - - -

Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 08:27:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 08:27:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261127040.22617-100000@ns.linkfinity.net>
Message-ID: <3D945C82.3020701@miinx.com.au>

sam wrote:
> http://www.tmobile.com
> to this thread.. the (translucent) menus were done jointly by a colleague
> and I (i think --
> though maybe he did more than I come to think of it)

May I humbly request that when people post URL's to view, that they post
the *actual* page with the issue in question?

For those of us on pay-per-mb connections (unfortunately me since
recently) it's a little annoying to download a [graphics-intensive]
page, look for the prob, then realise I have to grab another page as well...

Lovely site & great effect though.

Thanks,
Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From seb_johnson2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 08:30:01 2002
From: seb_johnson2001 at yahoo.com (seb johnson)
Date: Fri Sep 27 08:30:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Does anyone have any experience of .NET ?
In-Reply-To: <7010149704.20020927121820@web-bitch.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020927132910.32537.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]

 Thanks very much Darren for the reply and information.

>visual studio.net is so much better than vs6 it's almost unbelievable!
>still does the occasional nasty thing to your code, but it's being worked

>on!



My first impression of the visual studio .net  IDE is that its Homesite on amphetamine! or may be that should be Dreamweaver if it 'does things' to you code !

>there are only a few differences in what one language can do over another,

>be it vb, c#, j# or any other language being added. the framework is huge

>with classes for just about everything and it's all accessible from your

>language of choice.


So it shouldn't matter which language I choose ?

What I find a bit off putting about VB6 orientated exams is the desktop application focus in the beginning stages of the MCSD. I would think that more so now - windows DNA type of apps will be dropped altogether in favor of web browser based clients as they are light weight, much more deployable and accessable any where there is a web browser so for this reason I'm edging towards the .NET exams which in my limited experience seems to be much more geared towards scalable 'Web Applications'  whether this be desktop browsers or mobile devices.

Also if I'm reading http://www.go-mono.org/ the old mind set of 'Microsoft lock-in is Bad' might not be such an issue if eventually the projects produced with the .NET framework can run on a Linux CLR implementation as well ??
Following on from this does the fact that XML/web services is used in a big way with .NET mean that there is a higher compatibility with Java and any other language that has all of the XML parsing proceedures in place ?
Seb



---------------------------------
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New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!


From fgomez at criba.edu.ar  Fri Sep 27 08:40:00 2002
From: fgomez at criba.edu.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Fri Sep 27 08:40:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261127040.22617-100000@ns.linkfinity.net> <3D945C82.3020701@miinx.com.au>
Message-ID: <004701c2662b$cb8345c0$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar>

Hi,

Have you noticed the problem with the *Products* menu on this page:

http://www.tmobile.com/locator.asp?referer=/products/default.asp  ?

Using IE 5.5 on WinME, when the Products menu is displayed, I still can see
perfectly well both the "Select a state" and "Select a city" menus. Which
means... that the last 2 options in the Products menu are completetly
unreadable (invisible, in fact).

Is that caused by the transparency effect? Or is it something else?

(I do not rememeber having seen this observation on the thread; sorry if it
was already mentioned.)

Regards,

Fernando Gomez




From webdev at mountain.ch  Fri Sep 27 08:43:01 2002
From: webdev at mountain.ch (Mark Howells)
Date: Fri Sep 27 08:43:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
In-Reply-To: <004701c2662b$cb8345c0$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <F9FB55A9-D21E-11D6-B165-00306549DF86@mountain.ch>

> http://www.tmobile.com/locator.asp?referer=/products/default.asp  ?
>
> Using IE 5.5 on WinME, when the Products menu is displayed, I still
> can see
> perfectly well both the "Select a state" and "Select a city" menus.
> Which
> means... that the last 2 options in the Products menu are completetly
> unreadable (invisible, in fact).
>
> Is that caused by the transparency effect? Or is it something else?

FYI: There's no transparency in IE5.2 on Mac OS X and the pulldowns are
hidden by the dropdown menus. If that helps.

Regards
Mark Howells
<http://www.mark.ac/>
AIM: mhoaim



From joshua at waetech.com  Fri Sep 27 08:47:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri Sep 27 08:47:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] css "transparency"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261127040.22617-100000@ns.linkfinity.net> <3D945C82.3020701@miinx.com.au> <004701c2662b$cb8345c0$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <011901c2662c$3c04b1d0$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fernando G?mez" <fgomez at criba.edu.ar>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:42 AM


> http://www.tmobile.com/locator.asp?referer=/products/default.asp  ?
>
> Using IE 5.5 on WinME, when the Products menu is displayed, I still can
see
> perfectly well both the "Select a state" and "Select a city" menus. Which
> means... that the last 2 options in the Products menu are completetly
> unreadable (invisible, in fact).

We discussed this issue a *long* time back.  Here's a link to more
information:

http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/1068/fid/193

I found this by searching google for "form elements overlap div"

-joshua



From webguy at mail.rit.edu  Fri Sep 27 08:50:01 2002
From: webguy at mail.rit.edu (Chris Blessing)
Date: Fri Sep 27 08:50:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows();
In-Reply-To: <20020927112340.M22645@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJGEJDCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>

Dunstan-

Actually it seems to be working correctly, except that you have your
comparison value enclosed in single quotes.  Change this:

if ($noar == '0')

to this:

if ($noar == 0)

mysql_affected_rows() returns an integer result, and if you compare it to a
string PHP will implicitly convert the integer result to a string (IIRC)
which is NOT the same as comparing integers to integers.  At that point
you're comparing character values.  Example:

10 does not equal "10"
"10" does equal "10"
"010" does not equal "10"

In fact, "010" equals 145 (0=48, 1=49, 0=48; so 48+49+48).  " 010" (with the
space) equals 177, since the "space" character is character code 32 (so
145+32).  If you try to do arithmatic comparisons to strings, you will start
to get some funny results unless you understand the character code summation
system.

Try changing the above statement to do integer-to-integer comparisons and
see if you get the same results in your error variable.  HTH!

PS: your SQL statement doesn't need to be wrapped with parenthesis.  Use
this instead:

$sql = "UPDATE images SET title = '$title', date_shot = '$date_shot' WHERE
imageid = '$imageid'";

Chris Blessing
webguy at mail.rit.edu
http://www.330i.net

> This is odd.
>
> I'm running an update query on a mysql database.
>
> // images query
> $sql = ("UPDATE images SET title = '$title', date_shot =
> '$date_shot' WHERE
> imageid = '$imageid'");
>
> // run query
> mysql_query($sql);
>
> // count rows affected
> $noar = mysql_affected_rows();
>
> // do errors
> if ($noar == '0')
> 	{
> 	$edit_images_update_error = "1";
> 	}
> else
> 	{
> 	$edit_images_update_error = "0";
> 	}
>
>
>
> If the data that's being updated has altered in any way then my number of
> affected rows ($noar) returns true and my error = 0.
>
> If the data hasn't changed, then $noar == 0, and my error = 1.
>
>
> Does php/mysql compare my data then and decide that as it's the same it
> doesn't need updating?
>
> I don't get it?
>
> Thanks - dunstan



From cd-ml at aardvark.net.au  Fri Sep 27 08:50:09 2002
From: cd-ml at aardvark.net.au (Craig)
Date: Fri Sep 27 08:50:09 2002
Subject: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value
References: <002501c26563$dc425ea0$bbeadccb@maximo> <008001c26585$170bf2f0$2860398a@newcos.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c2662c$c0e5e040$9a77ddcb@maximo>

Thanks James, I thought there was something wrong :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Aylard" <evolt at pixelwright.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] Getting <button> to send value


> Craig,
>
> > Why does <button> send the value as what's between the tag rather than
> sending
> > what's specified in value="" ?
>
>     Because, unfortunately, IE's implementation of the button element is
> broken. Technically, the HTML 4.x recommendation [1] doesn't specify that
> the button element cannot submit its innerText value as the value of the
> control, but this seems counterintuitive and, well, silly. I experimented
> with workarounds, but found none that were satisfactory for my particular
> situation [2].
>     Ironically, Microsoft's MSDN documentation for the button element used
> to state that the form would submit the value of the button to the server
> unless it had no value, in which case it would submit the element's
> innerText. However, the button element never worked that way in IE, and
> instead of fixing the behavior Microsoft merely changed the wording of its
> documentation [3]. Very disappointing, IMO.
>
> 1. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#edef-BUTTON
> 2. http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20001002/017911.html,
>    http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20001002/017917.html
> 3.
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/objects/button.asp
>
> James Aylard
>
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>




From Liorean at user.bip.net  Fri Sep 27 08:58:01 2002
From: Liorean at user.bip.net (Liorean)
Date: Fri Sep 27 08:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mozilla bug?
In-Reply-To: <3D93E3FB.3040603@teltest.com>
References: <65590-22002952734544203@northsound.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927133323.00b74818@pop3.bip.net>

At 16:52 2002-09-27 +1200, Paul Bennett wrote:
>OK something weird is going on with my moz browser. When i minimize it,
>it pops back up from the taskbar straight away. I have restarted and it
>still does it?? It is dang annoying.

It's an old bug that was fixed in 0.9.5+ but reemerged in 0.9.7.
Usually, if you use Show Desktop once, it doesn't behave that way any more
that session.

// Liorean



From darren at web-bitch.co.uk  Fri Sep 27 10:01:01 2002
From: darren at web-bitch.co.uk (darren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 10:01:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Does anyone have any experience of .NET ?
In-Reply-To: <20020927132910.32537.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020927132910.32537.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14023486942.20020927160038@web-bitch.co.uk>

On Friday, September 27, 2002 at 14:29, seb johnson wrote:

sj> My first impression of the visual studio .net IDE is that its Homesite
sj> on amphetamine! or may be that should be Dreamweaver if it 'does
sj> things' to you code !

the things vs does to your code are when switching between design and html
view - most of which are known issues that are being looked at.  all the
other formatting options can be disabled.  if you never touch design mode
then you're laughing!

sj> So it shouldn't matter which language I choose ?

nope.  the last training course i was on, the instructor reckoned that
learning .net is 80% the framework and 20% the language.

there are certain things that you can do in c# that you can't in vb and
vice versa.  any of the .net sites should be able to give you a pretty good
list of the differences.  performance of the languages is supposed to be
almost identical.

sj> Also if I'm reading http://www.go-mono.org/ the old mind set of
sj> 'Microsoft lock-in is Bad' might not be such an issue if eventually the
sj> projects produced with the .NET framework can run on a Linux CLR
sj> implementation as well ??

yep.  but (there had to be a but somewhere!), iirc vb is a microsoft
proprietary language, whereas c# is more open.  so there *may* be problems
getting vb compilers on other platforms...hopefully not!  there's also the
raptor project that's somewhere on the microsoft site which is ms + others
running the clr on freebsd.

sj> Following on from this does the fact that XML/web services is used in a
sj> big way with .NET mean that there is a higher compatibility with Java
sj> and any other language that has all of the XML parsing proceedures in
sj> place ?

i haven't really played with web services too much, but as long as whatever
you are using can send and receive standard soap then you have nothing to
worry about.  .nets support for web services seems to be excellent with
lots of info out there...took me all of 10 minutes to make use of the
dilbert web service to get the daily dilbert! ;>

the mailing lists at aspfriends.com and the forums on asp.net are also
excellent sources of info with quite a few members of the .net team (both
vs and the clr) on them.

hth,

darren.



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 10:18:01 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (djinn at darkdesigns.org)
Date: Fri Sep 27 10:18:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
Message-ID: <36412.10.0.0.253.1033139872.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>

Can anyone point me to a good basic HTML email list where I can ask really
basic questions?

Thanks,
Jean Peterson




From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 10:26:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 10:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
References: <36412.10.0.0.253.1033139872.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <3D947862.3090005@miinx.com.au>

djinn at darkdesigns.org wrote:
> Can anyone point me to a good basic HTML email list where I can ask really
> basic questions?

Hi Jean,

You can always ask them here.  :-)

Otherwise, Babble used to be a good list for more beginner type
questions, I assume it's still going...  you can sign up here:
http://www.babblelist.com/

hth
Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From r937 at interlog.com  Fri Sep 27 11:03:01 2002
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri Sep 27 11:03:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
Message-ID: <01c2663f$561b55c0$74e9059a@rudy>

> Can anyone point me to a good basic HTML email list
> where I can ask really basic questions?

hi jean

you can always ask them here!!      ;o)

the html writers guild has a "basics" list --
http://hwg.org/lists/mailinglists.html

i'm on their "techniques" list which is supposed to be intermediate to
advanced but rarely lives up to that objective, so i would imagine the
basics list is really basic

rudy



From joshua at waetech.com  Fri Sep 27 11:10:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri Sep 27 11:10:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
References: <01c2663f$561b55c0$74e9059a@rudy>
Message-ID: <019c01c26640$351bf540$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "rudy" <r937 at interlog.com>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:02 PM


> the html writers guild has a "basics" list --
> http://hwg.org/lists/mailinglists.html
>
> i'm on their "techniques" list which is supposed to be intermediate to
> advanced but rarely lives up to that objective, so i would imagine the
> basics list is really basic

What do you think qualifies as an intermediate to advanced HTML question?
Other than discussing cross-platform bugs in browsers, what else is there?
HTML by itself is all pretty basic.  <ducking>

-joshua



From cparker at swatgear.com  Fri Sep 27 11:18:00 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Fri Sep 27 11:18:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE0330B9@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Olson [mailto:joshua at waetech.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:09 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML List?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rudy" <r937 at interlog.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:02 PM
>
>
> > the html writers guild has a "basics" list --
> > http://hwg.org/lists/mailinglists.html
> >
> > i'm on their "techniques" list which is supposed to be
> intermediate to
> > advanced but rarely lives up to that objective, so i would
> imagine the
> > basics list is really basic
>
> What do you think qualifies as an intermediate to advanced
> HTML question?
> Other than discussing cross-platform bugs in browsers, what
> else is there?
> HTML by itself is all pretty basic.  <ducking>

imo, how do i make a table? how do i add colors?

those are basic.

as far as more advanced, how about the discussion we had here a few
months/weeks ago debating how to properly use the Hn tags? or discussing
the proper use of all other tags to keep down on the CSS classes. for
example, i've learned to style the <th> for table column titles instead
of doing this creating a class for a <p> tag or something. like so...

<td><p><b>Name</b></p></td>

or similarly...

<td><p class="tableHeading">Name</p></td>


i think those qualify as more advanced topics.


chris.


From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Sep 27 11:45:01 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Sep 27 11:45:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Mails bouncing - security issue?
In-Reply-To: <D6BB1D9C-D1FF-11D6-8C87-00306549DF86@mountain.ch>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020927094157.06038410@baratta.com>

At 02:59 AM 9/27/2002, Mark Howells wrote:
>Hi all
>
>We're getting an odd problem at work, where we'll get an email bounced
>back to us occasionally with the following message.
>
>>The following message could not be delivered because the address
>>[RECIPIENT EMAIL ADDRESS] was rejected by host [RECIPIENT EMAIL HOST]
>>([RECIPIENT HOST I.P.]).
>>550 This entry was last confirmed open on 3/25/2002
>>Reporting-MTA: dns; mountain.ch
>>Arrival-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:12:31 +0200

Whoever is receiving the email is using a Blackhole server to check the
SMTP Headers for blocked servers. One of the SMTP Servers in the header is
kicking off the rejection. The key line is htis:

>>550 This entry was last confirmed open on 3/25/2002

If it's your server that's being blocked, you'll need to contact the
Blackhole Service and have them verify that your server is now "closed" and
they will take you off the list.

---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From magic32 at jps.net  Fri Sep 27 12:23:01 2002
From: magic32 at jps.net (Roger Harness)
Date: Fri Sep 27 12:23:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP and subroutines
In-Reply-To: <20020927170532.8DC3B3A70@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBIDGIFBJDACDGOJFCAEDILHAA.magic32@jps.net>

Just wondering...do/can folks use subroutine libraries with PHP?? When I
took a basic (beginning) scripting class, we used PERL, and the teacher
really, REALLY pushed subroutines stored in .lib files. And they did make
things a lot easier. I'm just wondering if there's an equivelent with
PHP...like my database connection stuff. Things that i have to do basically
every time I code a script. (and if there IS...will/can they slow down the
server processing time even further then it already is?)

Just curious about this. I've googled, and checked the evolt aricles.
Couldn't even find what I was looking for in my 30 lb PHP/MySQL guide.

As always, tia. And this isn't a life or death'er, just looking for another
easy way out :)

-Roger Harness

ps, I actually tried to send this question in a few weeks ago, and I dont
*think* it went through. If it did, then please forgive for the re-post.



From wade_lists at runstrong.com  Fri Sep 27 12:26:01 2002
From: wade_lists at runstrong.com (Wade Armstrong)
Date: Fri Sep 27 12:26:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Find-and-Replace in SQL
In-Reply-To: <015501c2659a$c0db9460$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <B9B9E2B0.2A3B7%wade_lists@runstrong.com>

on 9/26/02 1:24 PM, Joshua Olson at joshua at waetech.com wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:18 PM
>
>
>> The problem is, each page's copy is stored in a table that looks like
> this:
>> pageid int identity(1,1)
>> pagetitle varchar(255)
>> pagecopy varchar(8000)
>>
>> The "Old Company Name" needs to be replaced with "New Company Name" in
>> pagecopy, a varchar field holding all of the page's copy, without
> disturbing
>> the rest of the copy.
>>
>> Thanks again. I clearly need lots more coffee today!
>
> How about:
>
> UPDATE companypage
> SET pagetitle = Replace(pagetitle, 'Old Company Name', 'New Company Name')
> , pagecopy = Replace(pagecopy, 'Old Company Name', 'New Company Name')
>
> This should work on SQL Server.
>
> -joshua


Wow, thanks, that got it exactly. I read about Replace in BOL but didn't
think it could do the job... pleasant surprise!

Wade




From neal at constructweb.com  Fri Sep 27 12:35:01 2002
From: neal at constructweb.com (construct)
Date: Fri Sep 27 12:35:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] best way to turn word into html with links and all
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261127040.22617-100000@ns.linkfinity.net>
Message-ID: <047401c2659e$8ec21f40$370914ac@nwatkins>

think this one might have been ask recently

but I have a word doc----little complex
need to be HTML-ized

we all know save as HTML doc is a mess---
Dreamweaver-clean up HTML doesn't really help

any suggestions
Thanks
neal


From s.thomas at har.mrc.ac.uk  Fri Sep 27 12:35:19 2002
From: s.thomas at har.mrc.ac.uk (Steve Thomas)
Date: Fri Sep 27 12:35:19 2002
Subject: [thelist] Back in the Aeron again
In-Reply-To: <3D944FA8.8040700@miinx.com.au>
Message-ID: <B9BA2331.15612%s.thomas@har.mrc.ac.uk>

on 27/9/02 1:31 PM, Karen J. Bowen at lists at miinx.com.au wrote:

> oooo - perfect time to bring out my favourite ever post on this list,
> all kudos to Chris W. Parker:
>
> - - - - - - -
> "and without being too mean (note: i said TOO mean, not mean at all), is
> there ANY other profession where someone without ANY experience at all
> considers themselve apart of that profession?
>
> for example i don't go to the a hospital or write into a journal about
> medicine and say "hi. i'm a doctor and i'd like to know how to do open
> heart surgery and remove a cyst from my clients neck. this is my first
> time, so please explain it well."
>
> or how about an architect?
>
> "hi i'm an architect and i was wondering if someone could tell me what
> an I-beam is. thanks! please reply to my email lamer at 1337.com not the
> newsgroup! and please hurry i've got a deadline with a client!!"
>
> i'm being serious. does this sort of thing happen anywhere else? i mean,
> just because i take out the trash sometimes, doesn't mean i'm a
> trashman. ;)"
> - - - - - - -
>
> Karen
> -------
> Miinx Design & Development
> e :: karen at miinx.com.au
> p :: 0413.880.302
> w :: www.miinx.com.au
>
I thought I would un-lurk for a moment just to assure you that yes it does
happen in other trades. I come from a background in commercial photography
and since the digital revolution hit there are now a million more pros out
there just because they have a coolpix. They (I know this is a bit of a
generalisation) think that because they are shooting at 3m pix plus that the
quality is better than film, their matrix metering will beat a hand held
meter and a brain everytime and that ickle LCD on the back means a half
decent composition is in the bag.

It is a bit of a double edged sword, every designer with a coolpix (insert
any other digital camera here) is now a dyed in the wool pro....nut is it
really a bad thing i.e. without the knowledge and theory to take truly great
images they appear a pain in the arse for your trade, but because there is
not this pre-assumed knowledge you find that more evolves from their
inspirations and fresh way of looking at things which in turn can benefit
you the pro.

I don't know if all that made much sense but I am sure somebody will know
where I am coming from (I just wish I did ;-) )

Regards,

Steve



From lists at tntluoma.com  Fri Sep 27 12:52:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Fri Sep 27 12:52:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] best way to turn word into html with links and all
Message-ID: <3D949ABA.8040307@tntluoma.com>

construct wrote:

 > but I have a word doc----little complex
 > need to be HTML-ized
 >
 > we all know save as HTML doc is a mess---
 > Dreamweaver-clean up HTML doesn't really help

There's Office 2000 HTML Filter 2.0
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/Msohtmf2.aspx

but I don't know how well it works... I assume anything complex which is
automatically generated into HTML is going to be messy and need some
degree of hand-tweaking

TjL


ps -- <em class="pleading">Please</em> use a new message when starting a
new thread rather than hitting 'reply' and changing the Subject line.
Your message might have gotten lost in a thread

--
30 Days to becoming an Opera Lover
                                        http://www.tntluoma.com/switch




From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Sep 27 12:54:02 2002
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Sep 27 12:54:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP and subroutines
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIDGIFBJDACDGOJFCAEDILHAA.magic32@jps.net>
References: <20020927170532.8DC3B3A70@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020927105250.0608cfd0@baratta.com>

At 10:25 AM 9/27/2002, Roger Harness wrote:
>Just wondering...do/can folks use subroutine libraries with PHP?? When I
>took a basic (beginning) scripting class, we used PERL, and the teacher
>really, REALLY pushed subroutines stored in .lib files. And they did make
>things a lot easier. I'm just wondering if there's an equivelent with
>PHP...like my database connection stuff. Things that i have to do basically
>every time I code a script. (and if there IS...will/can they slow down the
>server processing time even further then it already is?)

Check here:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.include.php

---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."



From framar at interlog.com  Fri Sep 27 13:08:01 2002
From: framar at interlog.com (Frank)
Date: Fri Sep 27 13:08:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] CF: .pdf, .rtf on the fly?
Message-ID: <57112007047.20020927140746@interlog.com>

Quick Question:

Does anyone know of a solution to generate either .rtf or
.pdf files on the fly using Cold Fusion?


--
A whisper's breeze sways,
a shout's tempest breaks.

Frank Marion
framar at interlog.com
http://www.frankmarion.com





From scotts at rci-nv.com  Fri Sep 27 13:13:01 2002
From: scotts at rci-nv.com (Scott Schrantz)
Date: Fri Sep 27 13:13:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] best way to turn word into html with links and all
Message-ID: <D719D61D4BD8D311A26700A0C9E0E7B649EC28@SERVER1>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy J. Luoma [mailto:lists at tntluoma.com]
>
>  > we all know save as HTML doc is a mess---
>  > Dreamweaver-clean up HTML doesn't really help
>
> There's Office 2000 HTML Filter 2.0
> http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/Msohtmf2.aspx
>
> but I don't know how well it works... I assume anything
> complex which is automatically generated into HTML is
> going to be messy and need some degree of hand-tweaking

It is messy, but it does help a lot. And the markup it creates is only a few
errors away from being valid HTML 4.01. I had some styled text in my Word
doc, and it turned it into this:

 <p class=MsoBodyText style='margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:0in'><b><span
 style='font-size:12.0pt'>September 27, 2002</span></b></p>

Not a <font> tag in sight, but it makes heavy use of inline styles. It also
does this funny thing where every paragraph has to have a class:

 <p class=MsoBodyText></p>
 <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'>&nbsp;</p>

And my favorite:
 margin-bottom:.0001pt;

Nothing a little search and replace can't fix, though. *Much* better than
"Save as HTML", and still faster than other ways of converting.

--
Scott Schrantz
work: www.rci-nv.com
play: www.computer-vet.com


From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Fri Sep 27 13:17:01 2002
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Fri Sep 27 13:17:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] CF: .pdf, .rtf on the fly?
In-Reply-To: <57112007047.20020927140746@interlog.com>
Message-ID: <005501c26651$ec46eb10$6561a8c0@vader>

If you know the specific formats, you can generate them and use
cfcontent to serve them up. There are 3rd party CFXs that do PDF. I
can't think of the name offhand, but look at the Dev Exchange.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire

Email    : jedimaster at macromedia.com
Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Frank
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:08 PM
> To: Evolt
> Subject: [thelist] CF: .pdf, .rtf on the fly?
>
>
>
> Quick Question:
>
> Does anyone know of a solution to generate either .rtf or
> .pdf files on the fly using Cold Fusion?
>
>
> --
> A whisper's breeze sways,
> a shout's tempest breaks.
>
> Frank Marion
> framar at interlog.com
> http://www.frankmarion.com
>
>
>
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>




From susanhw at webcastle.com  Fri Sep 27 13:22:01 2002
From: susanhw at webcastle.com (Susan Wallace)
Date: Fri Sep 27 13:22:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] CF: .pdf, .rtf on the fly?
In-Reply-To: <57112007047.20020927140746@interlog.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020927132134.00b025d0@webcastle.com>

Hi Frank,

I have an application here that creates an RTF on the fly and feeds it to
the browser. It uses a Query, then a CFSAVECONTENT with a CFSCRIPT to
generate the RTF file. If I remember correctly, you create the document
that you want in Word, then open it in a text editor. The data that you
want to replace with variables from the query (or whatever you are using),
you find in that jumble of RTF code and put in #YourVar#

Once you have the content saved to the Var, you should be able to write it
to disk, perhaps someone will correct my assumption here.

If you want my example file, e-mail me off list and I'll send it to you. :)

Regarding pdf, did you look in the Exchange? I seem to recall a "CFtoPDF"
tag... but I could also be dreaming...

HTH!
Susan Wallace

At 01:07 PM 9/27/02, you wrote:

>Quick Question:
>
>Does anyone know of a solution to generate either .rtf or
>.pdf files on the fly using Cold Fusion?



From rex at gordiansystems.com  Fri Sep 27 13:25:01 2002
From: rex at gordiansystems.com (Rex Vincent J. Aglibot)
Date: Fri Sep 27 13:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] CF: .pdf, .rtf on the fly?
References: <57112007047.20020927140746@interlog.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c26654$c8af1a80$0a01a8c0@Cmp06>

http://www.sanface.com/createpdf.html
or do a search on HTML2PDF

or check out ghostscript:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/

Rex
http://www.gordiansystems.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank" <framar at interlog.com>
To: "Evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:07 AM
Subject: [thelist] CF: .pdf, .rtf on the fly?


>
> Quick Question:
>
> Does anyone know of a solution to generate either .rtf or
> .pdf files on the fly using Cold Fusion?
>
>
> --
> A whisper's breeze sways,
> a shout's tempest breaks.
>
> Frank Marion
> framar at interlog.com
> http://www.frankmarion.com
>
>
>
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>




From fgomez at criba.edu.ar  Fri Sep 27 14:00:01 2002
From: fgomez at criba.edu.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Disabling & re-enabling options
Message-ID: <003501c26658$8fba4660$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar>

Hello,

I'm working with menus (SELECT elements), some of whose initial options may
have to be disabled (and maybe re-enabled) later. One way to disable an
option is by simply "killing" it:

     selectElement.options[i] = null;

But if I want to re-enable this option later, then it's not as easy as
appending it as a new option: the exact position in the options array is
important for me.

I thought it would be easier if I could play with some CSS property of the
OPTION element, say "visibility: hidden", or "display: none", so you don't
have to remove or append OPTION elements. But that doesn't work on IE 5.x.

On the other hand, I've found in W3C's HTML spec that:

"The following elements support the *disabled* attribute: BUTTON, INPUT,
OPTGROUP, OPTION, SELECT, and TEXTAREA."

But it doesn't work that way, at least on this IE 5.5 :-(

So, do I necessarily have to remove/append options if I want to temporarily
disable/enable some of them, if IE 5.x is important for me?

Thanks for your ideas :)


Fernando Gomez





From evolt at pixelwright.com  Fri Sep 27 14:10:09 2002
From: evolt at pixelwright.com (James Aylard)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:10:09 2002
Subject: [thelist] Disabling & re-enabling options
References: <003501c26658$8fba4660$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <000601c26659$656f7140$2860398a@newcos.com>

Fernando,

> "The following elements support the *disabled* attribute: BUTTON, INPUT,
> OPTGROUP, OPTION, SELECT, and TEXTAREA."
>
> But it doesn't work that way, at least on this IE 5.5 :-(

    You might want to try that again. You can disable a select element in
IE/Win32 since IE 4, e.g.:

<select onchange="this.disabled = true;">
  <option>1</option>
  <option>2</option>
  <option>3</option>
</select>

    If you continue to have problems, please post a snippet of your code or
a URL where others can review it to see what might be going on.

James Aylard



From jveillo at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 27 14:13:01 2002
From: jveillo at bellsouth.net (jv)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:13:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] PHP and subroutines
References: <NFBBIDGIFBJDACDGOJFCAEDILHAA.magic32@jps.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c14787$82e09d40$3806fea9@watson>

Yes, in PHP they're refered to as include (.inc or whatever extension you
wish to give them) files.

Basically, you code your functions to a file and then use the include
function *include()* to include it into your script. Very simple.

Also, check out the *objects* section of your book or find a few tutorials
on the web. If you like the idea of calling sub-routines from your script
you'll love Objects.


James
jveillo at bellsouth.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Harness" <magic32 at jps.net>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: [thelist] PHP and subroutines


> Just wondering...do/can folks use subroutine libraries with PHP?? When I
> took a basic (beginning) scripting class, we used PERL, and the teacher
> really, REALLY pushed subroutines stored in .lib files. And they did make
> things a lot easier. I'm just wondering if there's an equivelent with
> PHP...like my database connection stuff. Things that i have to do
basically
> every time I code a script. (and if there IS...will/can they slow down the
> server processing time even further then it already is?)
>
> Just curious about this. I've googled, and checked the evolt aricles.
> Couldn't even find what I was looking for in my 30 lb PHP/MySQL guide.
>
> As always, tia. And this isn't a life or death'er, just looking for
another
> easy way out :)
>
> -Roger Harness
>
> ps, I actually tried to send this question in a few weeks ago, and I dont
> *think* it went through. If it did, then please forgive for the re-post.
>
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 14:19:01 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (djinn at darkdesigns.org)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:19:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
In-Reply-To: <01c2663f$561b55c0$74e9059a@rudy>
References: <01c2663f$561b55c0$74e9059a@rudy>
Message-ID: <38121.10.0.0.253.1033154280.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>

   > Can anyone point me to a good basic HTML email list
   > where I can ask really basic questions?

Well, thanks everyone for your support and suggestions. I'll start here
since you all seem to think it's OK. I'm working on a page design with
nested tables. I know, but I want this page to be accessible by the most
people and divs just seem to be too glitchy right now.

The basic layout is a main table with three "column" cells and two "gutter"
cells dividing them. Each "column" cell  contains a table to control the
contents vertically - one column tables.

The first column cell worked just fine. The second column cell starts with a
jpg at the top - except it won't go to the top of the cell. It stubbornly
goes to the vertical middle of the cell. I tried align="top" in the img src
tag and valign="top" in the td tag, etc to no avail (so I took them out).

Second problem is that the jpg won't show up at all and neither will the gif
below it. Following is the code for that column cell. If you think you need
to see the page, I'll try to find somewhere online to put it. Thanks in
advance.
Jean Peterson

<!--Start Center Column Content-->
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
align="center">  <tr><td><CENTER><IMG SRC="images/camlogo.jpg" WIDTH="300" HEIGHT="110"
ALT="The Camarilla: White Wolf's Official Fan Club"></CENTER></td></tr>
  <tr><td><CENTER><FONT COLOR="#e6bf8a" SIZE="+1">Click here to find
National, Regional, or local<BR>Camarilla Websites and Contact
Information</FONT></CENTER></td></tr>
  <tr><td><CENTER><img alt="Camarilla Location Map" img
src="images/worldmetalsmbl.gif" WIDTH="295" HEIGHT="149" usemap="#cammap"
border=0></CENTER></td></tr>
<map name="cammap">
<area shape="rect" href="northam.html" coords=0,0,110,72>
<area shape="rect" href="southam.html" coords=30,74,110,148>
<area shape="rect" href="europe.html" coords=122,0,184,43>
<area shape="rect" href="africa.html" coords=112,45,171,134>
<area shape="rect" href="asia.html" coords=211,0,271,97>
<area shape="rect" href="middleeast.html" coords=172,44,209,74>
<area shape="rect" href="ausoceania.html" coords=236,99,294,148>
</map>
  <tr><td>

<!--Start Image Map Menu-->
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
align="center">  <tr><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="namerica.html"><B>North
America</B></A></td><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="samerica.html"><B>South
America</B></A></td><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A
HREF="europe.html"><B>Europe</B></A></td></tr>
  <tr><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="africa.html"><B>Africa</B></A></td><td
ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="asia.html"><B>Asia</B></A></td><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A
HREF="ausoceania.html"><B>Australia/Oceania</B></A></td></tr>
</table>
<!--End Image Map Menu-->

  </td></tr>
</table>
<!--End Center Column Content-->





From fgomez at criba.edu.ar  Fri Sep 27 14:23:01 2002
From: fgomez at criba.edu.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:23:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Disabling & re-enabling options
References: <003501c26658$8fba4660$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar> <000601c26659$656f7140$2860398a@newcos.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c2665b$9e4d0520$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar>

From: "James Aylard" <evolt at pixelwright.com>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:09 PM


>     You might want to try that again. You can disable a select element in
> IE/Win32 since IE 4, e.g.:

Thanks James, but it seems I was not clear enough.

What I'm trying to disable is an individual option, not the whole select
element. By 'disabled' I mean 'not selectable' (if that word exists), so it
doesn't matter wether the option is greyed out, or if it is simply absent
from the menu.

Regards,

Fernando Gomez



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 14:25:01 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (djinn at darkdesigns.org)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
Message-ID: <12995.10.0.0.253.1033154694.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>

What is the best way to specify the "default" font size for an entire page
in HTML? I plan to add a basic CSS to my site but would like to have a
fall-back for those browsers who don't deal with CSS well or at all.

Jean Peterson




From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 14:30:05 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:30:05 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <12995.10.0.0.253.1033154694.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <20020927192908.83616.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>

--- djinn at darkdesigns.org wrote:
> What is the best way to specify the "default" font size for an
> entire page
> in HTML? I plan to add a basic CSS to my site but would like to
> have a
> fall-back for those browsers who don't deal with CSS well or at
> all.
>
> Jean Peterson

Jean, not sure how comfortable you are with CSS, but I would suggest
using ems and percentage. That allows the user to scale, and older
browsers will just ignore it.

For example, you can set your body to:

body
{
font-size: 75%;
}

Then adjust your rules accordingly - so for your P tags you want it
"defualt" size, set it to 1 em:

p { font-size: 1em; }

or a header tag might be

h3 { font-size: 1.3em }

You can check out my site below, I use it there and it works well.

Tom

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From webguy at mail.rit.edu  Fri Sep 27 14:37:01 2002
From: webguy at mail.rit.edu (Chris Blessing)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:37:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Disabling & re-enabling options
In-Reply-To: <000a01c2665b$9e4d0520$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJEEJMCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>

Fernando-

You want to remove the option from the list?  If so, use this:

<script language="JavaScript1.1">
	function deleteOption(selectBox, optionIndex){
		// pass in document.form.select and the index of the
		// option to delete

		selectBox.options[optionIndex] = null;
	}
</script>

<!-- simple test form -->
<form name="testForm">
	Click on an option to delete it from the select box:
	<br>
	<select name="selectBox"
	onChange="deleteOption(this, this.selectedIndex);">

	<!-- note how we passed in 'this' (the select box) and
	     the selectedIndex so that it deletes the selected
           option appropriately -->

		<option value="1">1</option>
		<option value="2">2</option>
		<option value="3">3</option>
	</select>
</form>

(note: only works with JS 1.1+ browsers)

If you need any help modifying it for other uses, just ask. HTH!

Chris Blessing
webguy at mail.rit.edu
http://www.330i.net

> Thanks James, but it seems I was not clear enough.
>
> What I'm trying to disable is an individual option, not the whole select
> element. By 'disabled' I mean 'not selectable' (if that word
> exists), so it
> doesn't matter wether the option is greyed out, or if it is simply absent
> from the menu.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fernando Gomez


From dunstan at 1976design.com  Fri Sep 27 14:43:12 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:43:12 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows();
In-Reply-To: <20020927170340.11550C024@relay.evolt.org>
References: <20020927170340.11550C024@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20020927194240.M82792@1976design.com>

Hey chris,


// images query
$sql = ("UPDATE images SET title = '$title', date_shot = '$date_shot' WHERE
imageid = '$imageid'");

// run query
mysql_query($sql);

// count rows affected
$noar = mysql_affected_rows();

// do errors
if ($noar == 0)
	{
	$edit_images_update_error = "1";
	}
else
	{
	$edit_images_update_error = "0";
	}


> Actually it seems to be working correctly, except that you have your
> comparison value enclosed in single quotes.  Change this:
>
> if ($noar == '0')
>
> to this:
>
> if ($noar == 0)


hmm, that hasn't worked either - it's still the same wrong-way-round result.


> mysql_affected_rows() returns an integer result, and if you compare it
> to a string PHP will implicitly convert the integer result to a string
> (IIRC) which is NOT the same as comparing integers to integers.  At
> that point you're comparing character values.

oh.
it works fine for all my other queries... must have been lucky...


Ah, just found this:

"...it appears that the number of affected rows returned per above in an
update query will be the number whose values were actually changed. So
updating a unique record whose value is "somevalue1" to "somevalue1" will
return zero rows affected. Whereas updating a unique record of "somevalue1"
to "somevalue2" will return '1'."

So it _is_ deciding that as my record hasn't changed, it doesn't count
as 'updated'?


Also, this is in the php manual, does it mean that I should change my code to
this 'mysql_connect' thing?:

"[Editor's Note: Review the above documentation carefully! mysql_affected_rows
() works with connection handles returned by mysql_connect() or mysql_pconnect
(), not with result handles returned by mysql_query() or mysql_db_query()"


Thanks!

- dunstan :op

p.s. re. putting brackets around my query - I just prefer it that way for some
reason, but thankyou :o)

---------------------------
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From Ron.Luther at hp.com  Fri Sep 27 14:48:01 2002
From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:48:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Back in the Aeron again
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0602F4BAFD@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hi Steve,

Yeah - I know where you are coming from.  ;-)

I think it's probably a complaint that can be leveled against most
any profession. {e.g. Possibly exemplified by the recent German court
case where a janitor was convicted for setting himself up as a dentist
because he was "bored" sweeping up after the real dentists. Ouch.}

But while we're talking about photography [1], let me hijaak the thread.
Let's start with these two items:

(1) Isaac has talked a few times about putting a 'stock photography
@ evolt' together.

(2) A number of evolters have worked on various 'voting' applications.

Now with the proliferation of digital cameras in so many hands, it
shouldn't be too tough to put together a 'digital competition' site
using categories and rules similar to the film competitions.

Might have some interesting possibilities!

[Tip Below]

RonL.
[1] (a) I've competed in enough photo contests and talked to enough
"A" photographers to know that even though I do get a decent shot
once in a while I'm firmly a "B" photographer.  (b) I just bought a
Coolpix 4500 - so I *must* be good now! Ha!   ;-)


<tip type="modulo logic for loading arrays" author="RonL.">

Once in a while, (possibly but not necessarily due to poorly
designed databases), you may need to select data from several
fields on each row of your result set and load them into a
single dimensional array for processing.

Where did I run into this?  I was playing with the GD library in
PHP to dynamically create a graph of my bowling scores:
http://members.evolt.org/ronl/RLPHP/BowlChart2002.html

{No - I'm not done with it yet.}

Anyway, some idiot, (me), set up the database with the three game scores
for an evening in different columns.

Let's use that case where we're using values from three different
fields from a data table with a structure like this:

09/25/02    179     204    152

In PHP, (Yes, I know 'select star' is evil), your code might look
something like this:

$query = "select * from table";
$result = mysql_query($query);

The following loop uses 'modulo logic' to load the values into
the array:

for ($i = 0; $i < mysql_num_rows($result); $i++) {
   $row_array = mysql_fetch_row($result);
   for ($j = 0; $j < mysql_num_fields($result); $j++) {
   		$data[$i * 3 + 0] = $row_array[1];
   		$data[$i * 3 + 1] = $row_array[2];
   		$data[$i * 3 + 2] = $row_array[3];
   }
}

The technique is easily extensible for a different number of columns.

</tip>


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Thomas [mailto:s.thomas at har.mrc.ac.uk]

It is a bit of a double edged sword, every designer with a coolpix (insert
any other digital camera here) is now a dyed in the wool pro....nut

I don't know if all that made much sense but I am sure somebody will know
where I am coming from (I just wish I did ;-) )


From fgomez at criba.edu.ar  Fri Sep 27 14:49:01 2002
From: fgomez at criba.edu.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fernando_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Fri Sep 27 14:49:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Disabling & re-enabling options
References: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJEEJMCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>
Message-ID: <000401c2665f$6b3ecfc0$88bad2aa@uns.edu.ar>

From: "Chris Blessing" <webguy at mail.rit.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:41 PM

> You want to remove the option from the list?  If so, use this:
>
> <script language="JavaScript1.1">
> function deleteOption(selectBox, optionIndex){
> // pass in document.form.select and the index of the
> // option to delete
>
> selectBox.options[optionIndex] = null;
> }
> </script>

Hi Chris,

Thank you, but I'm afraid this is not what I was looking for...

In my original message, I mentioned that this approach was what I tried
first. Then I realized that it was not very practical if later you want to
_re-enable_ that same option, in the exact position it occupied in the
options list. (It's not that it is very difficult, just that I would prefer
to avoid it.)

So I began to think about the 'disabled' attribute for the option element,
or a CSS property to hide the option (if that were possible). The problem is
that IE 5.x doesn't do anything when I write code like this:

<select>
<option disabled>first</option>
<option>second</option>
</select>

So, is there any hope to _disable_ an option, or is it necessary to _remove_
it?


Fernando





From webguy at mail.rit.edu  Fri Sep 27 15:05:08 2002
From: webguy at mail.rit.edu (Chris Blessing)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:05:08 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows();
In-Reply-To: <20020927194240.M82792@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <HPEGIGLNNNHLBOIKKDLJIEJNCLAA.webguy@mail.rit.edu>

Hey there-

Actually mysql_query() uses the same connection opened by mysql_connect(),
which I presume is somewhere else in your code?

The edit was saying that you must open a connection somehow before
attempting to get the # of affected rows.

Per that documentation note below about it only returning the # of rows
*changed* from their original value, I'd say everything is actually working
properly!

And you weren't gettin lucky, I think PHP may have been converting the
string to an integer rather than integer -> string, since the string only
contained a numeric value.  My bad on that, didn't think of it that way.

Good luck!

Chris Blessing
webguy at mail.rit.edu
http://www.330i.net

> Hey chris,

> hmm, that hasn't worked either - it's still the same
> wrong-way-round result.
>
>
> oh.
> it works fine for all my other queries... must have been lucky...
>
>
> Ah, just found this:
>
> "...it appears that the number of affected rows returned per above in an
> update query will be the number whose values were actually changed. So
> updating a unique record whose value is "somevalue1" to "somevalue1" will
> return zero rows affected. Whereas updating a unique record of
> "somevalue1"
> to "somevalue2" will return '1'."
>
> So it _is_ deciding that as my record hasn't changed, it doesn't count
> as 'updated'?
>
> "[Editor's Note: Review the above documentation carefully!
> mysql_affected_rows
> () works with connection handles returned by mysql_connect() or
> mysql_pconnect
> (), not with result handles returned by mysql_query() or mysql_db_query()"
>
>



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 15:19:02 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (djinn at darkdesigns.org)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:19:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <20020927192908.83616.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020927192908.83616.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <24831.10.0.0.253.1033157888.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>

  >Jean, not sure how comfortable you are with CSS, but I would suggest
  >using ems and percentage. That allows the user to scale, and older
  >browsers will just ignore it.
  >
 > For example, you can set your body to:
 >
  >body
  >{
  >font-size: 75%;
  >}


I've actually only coded in straight HTML (nothing complex). I'm getting up
to speed with 4.01 and CSS right now. However, I also want my stuff to be
accessible to those with older browsers and want it to look as nice as
possible. I definitely plan to use a Style Sheet, but want to use it
transitionally over HTML with _some_ style mark-up for the default. I don't
want my pages to look bland and hard to read for anyone.

Jean Peterson




From bertilow at gmx.net  Fri Sep 27 15:30:01 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:30:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <20020927192908.83616.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D94BFF0.5050505@gmx.net>

Tom Dell'Aringa:

> Jean, not sure how comfortable you are with CSS, but I would suggest
> using ems and percentage. That allows the user to scale, and older
> browsers will just ignore it.

That is correct.

> For example, you can set your body to:
>
> body
> {
> font-size: 75%;
> }

Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to anything
else than 100% or 1em.

--
Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> <http://www.bertilow.com>



From Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com  Fri Sep 27 15:37:01 2002
From: Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com (Saila, Craig)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:37:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
Message-ID: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C50B4@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bertilo Wennergren [mailto:bertilow at gmx.net]
> Sent: September 27, 2002 4:31 PM

> Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to
> anything else than 100% or 1em.

Hrm?! That sounds like saying you should never underline text that is
not a link. A good rule, but hardly one that is set in stone.

I can think of many justifiable reasons to set your base font-size
smaller than 100%. What are you reasons against this?

--
Cheers,

Craig Saila
------------------------------------------
craig at saila.com : http://www.saila.com/
------------------------------------------


From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com  Fri Sep 27 15:38:01 2002
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:38:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars
Message-ID: <00fb01c26665$b47ee3e0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>

I am using the Flash MX UI Component Scroll bars for my dynamic text boxes
that are populated with variables from extrnal text (.TXT) files. The
information is being imported with no apparent problems. However, the scroll
bar does not activate when the text is longer than the text box.

It is almost like Flash cannot detect how long the text is that I am
importing. Is there a way to get this to work using the UI Components?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

markJ



From steve at netbreed.co.uk  Fri Sep 27 15:45:01 2002
From: steve at netbreed.co.uk (Steve Webster)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:45:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars
References: <00fb01c26665$b47ee3e0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <008501c26666$ad5d85c0$6401a8c0@wiggie>

You need to set the text using the 'text' property of the textField object,
rather than using a variable name as per Flash 5. Give your textfield an
instance name (such as myTextField in the example) and use code like this to
set the text...

myTextField.text = "Whatever";

If that doesn't work, make sure the scrollbar is properly targetted at the
textfield. If you change the instance name of the textfield *after*
attaching the scrollbar then you'll need to update the scrollbar component's
properties accordingly!

HTH

Regards,

Steve

================================
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 Freelance Web Developer
 steve at codejunkie.co.uk

 PHP, MySQL, Flash, Perl + more
 http://www.codejunkie.co.uk
================================

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Joslyn" <Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:37 PM
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars


> I am using the Flash MX UI Component Scroll bars for my dynamic text boxes
> that are populated with variables from extrnal text (.TXT) files. The
> information is being imported with no apparent problems. However, the
scroll
> bar does not activate when the text is longer than the text box.
>
> It is almost like Flash cannot detect how long the text is that I am
> importing. Is there a way to get this to work using the UI Components?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> markJ
>
> --
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
>




From fortune_elkins at summithq.com  Fri Sep 27 15:45:11 2002
From: fortune_elkins at summithq.com (Fortune Elkins)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:45:11 2002
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars
Message-ID: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F50635A1D9@nyexchange01.summithq.com>

hiya m!

did you give your textfield both an instance name and a variable name? and
the variable name does match the one in the external file you are using?

hth,

f

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From lists at tntluoma.com  Fri Sep 27 15:49:00 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:49:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C50B4@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <3D94C435.1090304@tntluoma.com>

Saila, Craig wrote:

> Hrm?! That sounds like saying you should never underline text that is
> not a link. A good rule, but hardly one that is set in stone.
>
> I can think of many justifiable reasons to set your base font-size
> smaller than 100%. What are you reasons against this?

Generally the user is assumed to consider his/her base font acceptable,
and making it smaller will likely make it more difficult for them to use
your site.

I generally leave font sizes OFF of BODY and P whenever possible.

Then again I never underline anything that isn't a link unless it's a
nice thick border-bottom.

TjL


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From jveillo at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 27 15:52:01 2002
From: jveillo at bellsouth.net (jv)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:52:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
References: <01c2663f$561b55c0$74e9059a@rudy> <38121.10.0.0.253.1033154280.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c14795$50d4b120$3806fea9@watson>

Jean,

Are you sure the code you posted is the code you're having problems with? I
can't reproduce the problems you described.

James
jveillo at bellsouth.net


----- Original Message -----
From: <djinn at darkdesigns.org>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML List?


>    > Can anyone point me to a good basic HTML email list
>    > where I can ask really basic questions?
>
> Well, thanks everyone for your support and suggestions. I'll start here
> since you all seem to think it's OK. I'm working on a page design with
> nested tables. I know, but I want this page to be accessible by the most
> people and divs just seem to be too glitchy right now.
>
> The basic layout is a main table with three "column" cells and two
"gutter"
> cells dividing them. Each "column" cell  contains a table to control the
> contents vertically - one column tables.
>
> The first column cell worked just fine. The second column cell starts with
a
> jpg at the top - except it won't go to the top of the cell. It stubbornly
> goes to the vertical middle of the cell. I tried align="top" in the img
src
> tag and valign="top" in the td tag, etc to no avail (so I took them out).
>
> Second problem is that the jpg won't show up at all and neither will the
gif
> below it. Following is the code for that column cell. If you think you
need
> to see the page, I'll try to find somewhere online to put it. Thanks in
> advance.
> Jean Peterson
>
> <!--Start Center Column Content-->
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
> align="center">  <tr><td><CENTER><IMG SRC="images/camlogo.jpg" WIDTH="300"
HEIGHT="110"
> ALT="The Camarilla: White Wolf's Official Fan Club"></CENTER></td></tr>
>   <tr><td><CENTER><FONT COLOR="#e6bf8a" SIZE="+1">Click here to find
> National, Regional, or local<BR>Camarilla Websites and Contact
> Information</FONT></CENTER></td></tr>
>   <tr><td><CENTER><img alt="Camarilla Location Map" img
> src="images/worldmetalsmbl.gif" WIDTH="295" HEIGHT="149" usemap="#cammap"
> border=0></CENTER></td></tr>
> <map name="cammap">
> <area shape="rect" href="northam.html" coords=0,0,110,72>
> <area shape="rect" href="southam.html" coords=30,74,110,148>
> <area shape="rect" href="europe.html" coords=122,0,184,43>
> <area shape="rect" href="africa.html" coords=112,45,171,134>
> <area shape="rect" href="asia.html" coords=211,0,271,97>
> <area shape="rect" href="middleeast.html" coords=172,44,209,74>
> <area shape="rect" href="ausoceania.html" coords=236,99,294,148>
> </map>
>   <tr><td>
>
> <!--Start Image Map Menu-->
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
> align="center">  <tr><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="namerica.html"><B>North
> America</B></A></td><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="samerica.html"><B>South
> America</B></A></td><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A
> HREF="europe.html"><B>Europe</B></A></td></tr>
>   <tr><td ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="africa.html"><B>Africa</B></A></td><td
> ALIGN="CENTER"><A HREF="asia.html"><B>Asia</B></A></td><td
ALIGN="CENTER"><A
> HREF="ausoceania.html"><B>Australia/Oceania</B></A></td></tr>
> </table>
> <!--End Image Map Menu-->
>
>   </td></tr>
> </table>
> <!--End Center Column Content-->
>
>
>
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From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com  Fri Sep 27 15:52:15 2002
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:52:15 2002
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars
In-Reply-To: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F50635A1D9@nyexchange01.summithq.com>
Message-ID: <00fc01c26667$94c83a90$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>

Instance Name = content
Variable Name = demoIntroduction

Variable Name in the TXT File:

demoIntroduction=This is some text..........blah,blah...



-----Original Message-----
From: Fortune Elkins [mailto:fortune_elkins at summithq.com]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:45 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Cc: 'Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com'
Subject: RE: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars


hiya m!

did you give your textfield both an instance name and a variable name? and
the variable name does match the one in the external file you are using?

hth,

f

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From bertilow at gmx.net  Fri Sep 27 15:56:01 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:56:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C50B4@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <3D94C5E9.20902@gmx.net>

Saila, Craig:

>> From: Bertilo Wennergren [mailto:bertilow at gmx.net]

>> Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to
>> anything else than 100% or 1em.

> Hrm?! That sounds like saying you should never underline text that is
> not a link. A good rule, but hardly one that is set in stone.

> I can think of many justifiable reasons to set your base font-size
> smaller than 100%. What are you reasons against this?

You have no idea what the base font size in the user browser is, except
that it most probably is the size that he himself finds the most
comfortable one for basic text (otherwise he would have picked something
else). Thus setting it to something smaller means setting it to
something that is to small for the reader. Why would you want text size
that is too small?

100% means "just right for basic text", per definition.

If some readers like to read pages with extremely small size text (maybe
they have excellent vision), they will already have set the basic size
to something really tiny. Using "font-size: 75%" would mean that those
readers get even smaller text, that they might not be able to read at all.

You should always work form the basic assumption that 100% font-size is
perfect for the basic text, and then set non-basic text (headings,
footnotes...) to something larger or (in extreme cases) something
slightly smaller than that.

Now, if a whole page is legalese that no one is really supposed to read
at all, then maybe...

--
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From fortune_elkins at summithq.com  Fri Sep 27 15:58:01 2002
From: fortune_elkins at summithq.com (Fortune Elkins)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars
Message-ID: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F50635A1DA@nyexchange01.summithq.com>

hiya m!


>Instance Name = content
>Variable Name = demoIntroduction

>Variable Name in the TXT File:

>demoIntroduction=This is some text..........blah,blah...


great! then you're almost there. now check the properties of the scroll bar
component. the "target textfield" property must match the instance name, or
in your case, "content." save that, give it a publish, and check it out. you
should be good to go.

hth,

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From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com  Fri Sep 27 15:58:22 2002
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 15:58:22 2002
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars
In-Reply-To: <008501c26666$ad5d85c0$6401a8c0@wiggie>
Message-ID: <010101c26668$6f672da0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>

works like a charm -- thanks!

mj

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Steve Webster
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:44 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars


You need to set the text using the 'text' property of the textField object,
rather than using a variable name as per Flash 5. Give your textfield an
instance name (such as myTextField in the example) and use code like this to
set the text...

myTextField.text = "Whatever";

If that doesn't work, make sure the scrollbar is properly targetted at the
textfield. If you change the instance name of the textfield *after*
attaching the scrollbar then you'll need to update the scrollbar component's
properties accordingly!

HTH

Regards,

Steve

================================
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 steve at codejunkie.co.uk

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Joslyn" <Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:37 PM
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Text Fields+Scrollbars


> I am using the Flash MX UI Component Scroll bars for my dynamic text boxes
> that are populated with variables from extrnal text (.TXT) files. The
> information is being imported with no apparent problems. However, the
scroll
> bar does not activate when the text is longer than the text box.
>
> It is almost like Flash cannot detect how long the text is that I am
> importing. Is there a way to get this to work using the UI Components?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> markJ
>
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From lists at tntluoma.com  Fri Sep 27 16:00:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Fri Sep 27 16:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C50B4@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com> <3D94C5E9.20902@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <3D94C6CD.8070704@tntluoma.com>

Bertilo Wennergren wrote:

> If some readers like to read pages with extremely small size text (maybe
> they have excellent vision), they will already have set the basic size
> to something really tiny. Using "font-size: 75%" would mean that those
> readers get even smaller text, that they might not be able to read at all.

which is another argument in favor of using relative font keywords
instead of EM or % because the keywords do not compound

ref:
http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_26_using_relative_font_sizes.html

  TjL

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From chris at fuseware.com  Fri Sep 27 16:20:01 2002
From: chris at fuseware.com (Chris Evans)
Date: Fri Sep 27 16:20:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <20020927192908.83616.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com> <3D94BFF0.5050505@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <3d94cdb4@fuseware.com>

Bertilo Wennergren wrote:
> Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to anything
> else than 100% or 1em.

What about the instance where the "base font" is bigger than "standard"?
  For example, Arial and TimesRoman have different base sizes, at least
Arial looks bigger on my machine than Times Roman.  I often reduce Arial
font sizes so that font sizes are fairly consistent as far as height.

Admittedly, usually its only a few pixels, but I still think its a valid
reason to modify font sizes.
--
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chris at fuseware.com
http://www.fuseware.com




From mike at nthwave.net  Fri Sep 27 16:21:00 2002
From: mike at nthwave.net (Michael Mell)
Date: Fri Sep 27 16:21:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] best way to turn word into html with links and all
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0209261127040.22617-100000@ns.linkfinity.net> <047401c2659e$8ec21f40$370914ac@nwatkins>
Message-ID: <3D94CBB0.6707CA07@nthwave.net>

If I wasn't such a slacker, I would use my free time to complete a
project I started in Python to convert rtf docs to YML(tm) --
YourMarkupLanguage.

The idea is to save the word doc as rtf, then decompose the rtf document
according to the rtf spec and then use user defined name/value pairs to
create a new document with the user defined markup.

User defined markup might be HTML, XML or some arbitrary code specific
to some arbitrary content management system (like the one I wrote!)

Perhaps I'll get back on this project sooner than later. There is
obviously a need for it.

m


construct wrote:

> think this one might have been ask recently
>
> but I have a word doc----little complex
> need to be HTML-ized
>
> we all know save as HTML doc is a mess---
> Dreamweaver-clean up HTML doesn't really help
>
> any suggestions
> Thanks
> neal
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From bertilow at gmx.net  Fri Sep 27 16:28:03 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 16:28:03 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C50B4@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com> <3D94C5E9.20902@gmx.net> <3D94C6CD.8070704@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <3D94CD6B.6020203@gmx.net>

Timothy J. Luoma:

> Bertilo Wennergren wrote:

>> If some readers like to read pages with extremely small size text (maybe
>> they have excellent vision), they will already have set the basic size
>> to something really tiny. Using "font-size: 75%" would mean that those
>> readers get even smaller text, that they might not be able to read at all.

> which is another argument in favor of using relative font keywords
> instead of EM or % because the keywords do not compound

Relative font keywords are OK too. Basic text size should then always be
"medium", of course, which (in principle) should be synonymous with
"100%" or "1em".

> ref:
> http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_26_using_relative_font_sizes.html

Most of the practical problems you see with % and em are in Netscape 4,
right?

Well, my advice is to never, ever, ever, ever give any kind of CSS to
Netscape 4 (hide it with @import or one of the other CSS hiding tricks).
Then % and em suddenly become unproblematic. At least I have never had
any problems with them.

--
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From cparker at swatgear.com  Fri Sep 27 16:33:03 2002
From: cparker at swatgear.com (Chris W. Parker)
Date: Fri Sep 27 16:33:03 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
Message-ID: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DEBD@ati-ex-01.ati.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: djinn at darkdesigns.org [mailto:djinn at darkdesigns.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:18 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML List?
>
<snip />
> The basic layout is a main table with three "column" cells
> and two "gutter"
> cells dividing them. Each "column" cell  contains a table to
> control the
> contents vertically - one column tables.

if what you are describing in it's most basic farm (sans visual
stylings) is this...

<table>
 <tr>
  <td>
   <table>
    <tr>
     <td></td>
    </tr>
   </table>
  </td>
  <td>
   <table>
    <tr>
     <td></td>
    </tr>
   </table>
  </td>
  <td>
   <table>
    <tr>
     <td></td>
    </tr>
   </table>
  </td>
 </tr>
</table>

...just remove the nested tables since they are only holding a graphic.


> The first column cell worked just fine. The second column
> cell starts with a
> jpg at the top - except it won't go to the top of the cell.
> It stubbornly
> goes to the vertical middle of the cell. I tried align="top"
> in the img src
> tag and valign="top" in the td tag, etc to no avail (so I
> took them out).

you need to make sure the outer <td> is vertically aligned, <td
valign="top">. otherwise the nested table--if vertically smaller than
the <td> it is contained within--will align itself to the middle
vertically.

make sense?

> Second problem is that the jpg won't show up at all and
> neither will the gif
> below it. Following is the code for that column cell. If you
> think you need
> to see the page, I'll try to find somewhere online to put it.

please do try and find somewhere online to put it.


hth,
chris.


From bertilow at gmx.net  Fri Sep 27 16:33:16 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 16:33:16 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <20020927192908.83616.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com> <3D94BFF0.5050505@gmx.net> <3d94cdb4@fuseware.com>
Message-ID: <3D94CEBE.2000201@gmx.net>

Chris Evans:

> Bertilo Wennergren wrote:

>> Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to anything
>> else than 100% or 1em.

> What about the instance where the "base font" is bigger than "standard"?
>   For example, Arial and TimesRoman have different base sizes, at least
> Arial looks bigger on my machine than Times Roman.  I often reduce Arial
> font sizes so that font sizes are fairly consistent as far as height.

That does not matter, since you can't be sure that the font you indicate
will be used at all. If you write "Font X", and give the font size as
"75%" since "Font X" is unusually large (in your experience), and the
user has set font names to be ignored, and instead sees the text with
"Font Y" (his default) that happens to be unusually smallish, then the
text will be unreadable due to the setting "75%".

You'll just have to work from the assumption that "100%" is the correct
size for basic text.

And even if "Font X" is present in the user's system, and being used for
the page display, there is no guarantee the the version of "Font X" that
the user has, looks like the one you have. "Font X" ("Arial", "Times New
Roman"...) are just names. A font with a certain name can actually have
any look and any size.

> Admittedly, usually its only a few pixels, but I still think its a valid
> reason to modify font sizes.

Sorry. No.

--
Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> <http://www.bertilow.com>



From Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com  Fri Sep 27 16:40:01 2002
From: Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com (Saila, Craig)
Date: Fri Sep 27 16:40:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
Message-ID: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC20333BAFA@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy J. Luoma [mailto:lists at tntluoma.com]
> Sent: September 27, 2002 4:49 PM

> Generally the user is assumed to consider his/her base font
> acceptable, and making it smaller will likely make it more
> difficult for them to use your site.

True, and I may have unintentionally started one those debates about
font sizes or accessibility (both of which are important issues, and
whose implications I am I well aware of), and if I have I apologize,
that's the last thing we need on a Friday.

What I was questioning was this line in Bertilo's message:

> Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to anything
> else than 100% or 1em.

How is (based on a rule from many style sheets):
 p, ul, dl, ol, blockquote { font-size: 80% }
or
 p, ul, dl, ol, blockquote { font-size: 120% }

Better than:
 body { font-size: 80%; }
or
 body { font-size: 120%; }

Both change the size of the fonts based on the user's default setting.
The second rule, though, is shorter, and less specific (thus allowing
you to nest a UL in a UL (or OL, or whatever) without having the second
list be extra small (or extra big). Setting the BODY's font size can be
quite useful if used properly.

As for changing the sizes, Verdana is designed to look better at a
smaller size than, say, Georgia. And until browsers start supporting
"font-size-adjust"
<http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#propdef-font-size-adjust>
there are plenty of reasons why fonts should be resized. (This whole
thing may prod me to release my JS that does mimics font-size-adjust.)

I don't mean to come off gruff (it's been a long day) and I'm not
intending to single anyone out, it's just frustrating to see more and
more black and white responses to so many grey issues (e.g., tables v.
CSS, HTML 4 v. XHTML, px v. percents, Kirk v. Picard).

Keep in mind that what may be "never" for you, could be "sometimes" for
someone else.

--
Cheers,

Craig Saila
------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------------




From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Fri Sep 27 16:57:05 2002
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Fri Sep 27 16:57:05 2002
Subject: [thelist] FW: Anyone seen this before?
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEEHDKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

took the suspicious subject out, to see if the list accepts it - I'm
right it is a virus sending it? who has it though?

any way of finding out, and which virus might it be?

Thanks all....


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Crockford [mailto:tonyc at boldfish.co.uk]
> Sent: 27 September 2002 22:46
> To: Thelist at lists. evolt. org
> Subject: Anyone seen this before? - undeliverable mail "background"
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have AV and Outpost firewall and get very nervous when odd
> events happen.
>
> I've never seen this before, hoping someone might shed some light?
>
> got a "bounce message" for an email I didn't send (AFAIK)
>
> (no attachment, which suggests my AV has stripped it out)
>
> This was the text:
>
> The following mail can't be sent to 69downtheway at email.msn.com:
>
> From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk
> To: 69downtheway at email.msn.com
> Subject: background
> The file is the original mail
>
> Anyone?
>
> TIA
>
> Tony
>



From list at zettai.net  Fri Sep 27 17:02:01 2002
From: list at zettai.net (george donnelly)
Date: Fri Sep 27 17:02:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] FW: Anyone seen this before?
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEEHDKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B9BA4D57.DBAA%list@zettai.net>

I've gotten a few of these. But i have no idea whether its human made or a
virus.

<-->
george donnelly - http://zettai.net/ - "We Love Newbies" :)
Zope Hosting - Dynamic Website Design - Search Engine Promotion

> From: "Tony Crockford" <tonyc at boldfish.co.uk>
>
> took the suspicious subject out, to see if the list accepts it - I'm
> right it is a virus sending it? who has it though?
>
> any way of finding out, and which virus might it be?
>
> Thanks all....



From dannyg at dannyg.com  Fri Sep 27 17:29:01 2002
From: dannyg at dannyg.com (Danny Goodman)
Date: Fri Sep 27 17:29:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Disabling & re-enabling options
In-Reply-To: <20020927213129.03A7AC048@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <B9BA2980.1A6B2%dannyg@dannyg.com>

Disabling option elements is implemented -- and working -- in IE5/Mac and
Mozilla. While "implemented" in IE6/Windows (not earlier), the disabled
attribute/property for the option element is non-functional there.

An odd way to boost one's claim of HTML/DOM compliance, IMHO, but c'est la
.Vie.

Danny
http://www.dannyg.com
[DHTMLTDR2 Now Shipping]

>
> "The following elements support the *disabled* attribute: BUTTON, INPUT,
> OPTGROUP, OPTION, SELECT, and TEXTAREA."
>
> But it doesn't work that way, at least on this IE 5.5 :-(



From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Fri Sep 27 17:36:06 2002
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Fri Sep 27 17:36:06 2002
Subject: [thelist] FW: Anyone seen this before?
In-Reply-To: <B9BA4D57.DBAA%list@zettai.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAKEHGKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

> I've gotten a few of these. But I have no idea whether its
> human made or a
> virus.


A bit more research suggests it might be one of the distribution methods
of Klez.

I looked at the headers and the message originated from:

Return-Path: <JMYERS7 at sc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0d68e5928201b92FE7 at mail7.sc.rr.com>


So I'll start by emailing jmyers7.....

to make amends, a tip (recycled)

<tip author="anon" subject="fonts for design mockups"

If you want to show a client a design in a font you don't have, but will
buy if they commission your design, try this:

at http://www.myfonts.com/ you can test drive fonts, e.g.
http://www.myfonts.com/Testdrive?id=62151 you can type a short phrase,
see the result in the font of your choice and do a screen grab to paste
into your photoshop mock up.

when the client says "excellent stuff, we shall proceed", you then buy
the font.

unethical? maybe, but the font won't get bought unless you're going to
use it, so you'd think they'd see it as advertising?

ymmv

</tip>






From dunstan at 1976design.com  Fri Sep 27 17:43:04 2002
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Fri Sep 27 17:43:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql_affected_rows();
In-Reply-To: <20020927213129.03A7AC048@relay.evolt.org>
References: <20020927213129.03A7AC048@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20020927224227.M84560@1976design.com>

Aloha,

> Actually mysql_query() uses the same connection opened by
> mysql_connect(), which I presume is somewhere else in your code?

oh yes, it's in an include. doh!


> Per that documentation note below about it only returning the # of rows
> *changed* from their original value, I'd say everything is actually working
> properly!

well buggerit.
so how can you differentiate between a record having been updated with
duplicate info, and the insert not having worked at all?

If there's no returned value that indicates if it worked or not then you can't
do error checking?



> And you weren't gettin lucky, I think PHP may have been converting the
> string to an integer rather than integer -> string, since the string only
> contained a numeric value.  My bad on that, didn't think of it that way.

cool, thanks chris :o)


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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 17:53:04 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 17:53:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C50B4@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <20020927225233.23399.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Saila, Craig" <Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com> wrote:

> > Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to
> > anything else than 100% or 1em.
>
> Hrm?! That sounds like saying you should never underline text that
> is
> not a link. A good rule, but hardly one that is set in stone.
>
> I can think of many justifiable reasons to set your base font-size
> smaller than 100%. What are you reasons against this?

Well, not only what Craig stated..but if you are setting it at 100%
you are basically not changing or setting anything. Its ALREADY set
to 100%. The only thing that changes that is you making rules for
stuff and setting font sizes.

I use this technique on quite a few sites and it works very well. I
picked it up from Owen Briggs (www.thenoodleincident.com) who turned
me on to it.

The benefit is, again, allowing the USER to control the font size,
and using the CSS do make the changes you desire. You can even use
the cascade effect to affect changes.

And, in web design there are FEW absolutes. :)

Tom

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 17:58:00 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 17:58:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D94C435.1090304@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <20020927225759.31679.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Timothy J. Luoma" <lists at tntluoma.com> wrote:

> Generally the user is assumed to consider his/her base font
> acceptable,
> and making it smaller will likely make it more difficult for them
> to use
> your site.
>
> I generally leave font sizes OFF of BODY and P whenever possible.
>
> Then again I never underline anything that isn't a link unless it's
> a
> nice thick border-bottom.

That may or may not be true - but I think the idea is you want to
have SOME control over font sizes without leaving the user out of the
loop. If you are happy at what you think MIGHT be the base font size
of your users (you can really never know) then by all means leave it.


Speccing the font in the body tag or p tag also allows you to use the
cascade, which is beneficial. Everything that you want at default
size doesn't need to be specced.

All I can say is in real world practical usage, the technique is
working great and I've literally had no complaints and lots of
compliments on how it works.

One tricky thing you come up against of course is how the browsers
display default sizes. IE6 is even different from IE5.5...I'm sure
you know there are many many differences more than that too. You
can't use "large" or "medium" effectively because of the
downsides,and as much as I used to spec in pixels.. you leave the
user up a river without a paddle.

Tom

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 18:01:01 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:01:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D94C5E9.20902@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20020927230012.7126.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> wrote:
> Saila, Craig:
>
> >> From: Bertilo Wennergren [mailto:bertilow at gmx.net]
>
> >> Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to
> >> anything else than 100% or 1em.
>
> > Hrm?! That sounds like saying you should never underline text
> that is
> > not a link. A good rule, but hardly one that is set in stone.
>
> > I can think of many justifiable reasons to set your base
> font-size
> > smaller than 100%. What are you reasons against this?
>
> You have no idea what the base font size in the user browser is,
> except
> that it most probably is the size that he himself finds the most
> comfortable one for basic text (otherwise he would have picked
> something
> else). Thus setting it to something smaller means setting it to
> something that is to small for the reader. Why would you want text
> size
> that is too small?
>
> 100% means "just right for basic text", per definition.

But, you are making the assumption the USER set their text size. You
cannot make that assumption for everyone. MOST people leave it as
installed. I certainly test my sites in multiple browsers with
multiple font sizes to make sure it works. This is a much better
technique than making an assumption that isn't necessarily true.

> You should always work form the basic assumption that 100%
> font-size is
> perfect for the basic text, and then set non-basic text (headings,
> footnotes...) to something larger or (in extreme cases) something
> slightly smaller than that.

I would tend to disagree for the reasons above.

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 18:03:01 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:03:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D94C6CD.8070704@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <20020927230210.32044.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Timothy J. Luoma" <lists at tntluoma.com> wrote:
> Bertilo Wennergren wrote:
>
> > If some readers like to read pages with extremely small size text
> (maybe
> > they have excellent vision), they will already have set the basic
> size
> > to something really tiny. Using "font-size: 75%" would mean that
> those
> > readers get even smaller text, that they might not be able to
> read at all.
>
> which is another argument in favor of using relative font keywords
> instead of EM or % because the keywords do not compound
>
> ref:
>
http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_26_using_relative_font_sizes.html
>
>   TjL

Erm. It seems to me that relative keywords are by far the WORST
solution. Especially with NS4 and mac platforms. xx-small and small
text often becomes *completely* unreadable, and there are missing
steps in the system. The 7 steps you are stuck with don't even make
sense. There is a great story on this somewhere, but I can't take the
time to find it now, however it shouldn't be hard to google it. I've
not come across many folks who actually use relative keywords for
this very reason.. I have never used them.

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 18:04:01 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:04:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D94CD6B.6020203@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20020927230334.13540.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> wrote:

> Most of the practical problems you see with % and em are in
> Netscape 4,
> right?

Not necessarily. You always need to test on all browsers. And again,
different mac and pc browsers show sizes differently. As I said
before, even PC IE5.5/IE6 has differences - especially with windows
XP.

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 18:09:01 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:09:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC20333BAFA@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <20020927230843.13791.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Saila, Craig" <Craig.Saila at bgminteractive.com> wrote:
> True, and I may have unintentionally started one those debates
> about
> font sizes or accessibility (both of which are important issues,
> and
> whose implications I am I well aware of), and if I have I
> apologize,
> that's the last thing we need on a Friday.

heh..too late..here it is!

> What I was questioning was this line in Bertilo's message:
>
> > Except that you should never ever set the basic font size to
> anything
> > else than 100% or 1em.
>
> How is (based on a rule from many style sheets):
>  p, ul, dl, ol, blockquote { font-size: 80% }
> or
>  p, ul, dl, ol, blockquote { font-size: 120% }
>
> Better than:
>  body { font-size: 80%; }
> or
>  body { font-size: 120%; }
>
<snnnnip>
>
> I don't mean to come off gruff (it's been a long day) and I'm not
> intending to single anyone out, it's just frustrating to see more
> and
> more black and white responses to so many grey issues (e.g., tables
> v.
> CSS, HTML 4 v. XHTML, px v. percents, Kirk v. Picard).

Yeah..that's kind of where I sit too. I loooked at Bert's CSS, and
his way works fine. It scales fine in my browser. But, the way I do
it works the same way, and works fine. Neither is "better". Neither
is certainly "wrong".

The final factor for anyone should be testing...testing..testing for
your target audience. If you aren't testing you have no right to say
boo. If you are, and your solution works...you are good to go
regardless what anyone says. If you find something you think is
better..change it!

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From bertilow at gmx.net  Fri Sep 27 18:23:09 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:23:09 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <20020927230012.7126.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D94E891.1040205@gmx.net>

Tom Dell'Aringa:

> --- Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> wrote:

>> You have no idea what the base font size in the user browser is,
>> except
>> that it most probably is the size that he himself finds the most
>> comfortable one for basic text (otherwise he would have picked
>> something
>> else). Thus setting it to something smaller means setting it to
>> something that is to small for the reader. Why would you want text
>> size
>> that is too small?

>> 100% means "just right for basic text", per definition.

> But, you are making the assumption the USER set their text size.

Some (actually very many, or most) just go with the default setting,
whatever that might be. For some of those people that default is bigger
than what they would actually be most comfortable with. For others it is
smaller than what they really would prefer. For others it happens to be
just right.

Whatever you do besides using "100%" for basic text, is going to upset
some of these people.

Actually this whole thing is brilliantly explained in this page:

  <http://css.nu/articles/font-analogy.html>

Read it very carefully, and then think about it for a while.

--
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From bertilow at gmx.net  Fri Sep 27 18:27:03 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:27:03 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <20020927230334.13540.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D94E962.6050509@gmx.net>

Tom Dell'Aringa:

> --- Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> wrote:

>> Most of the practical problems you see with % and em are in
>> Netscape 4, right?

> Not necessarily. You always need to test on all browsers.

It is impossible to test on all browsers.

> And again, different mac and pc browsers show sizes differently.

That is no problem. Web pages are supposed to display differently in
different browsers. We'll just have to suppose that people like the way
their browser displays font sizes.

> As I said before, even PC IE5.5/IE6 has differences - especially with
> windows XP.

This is a problem only if you use layouts that depend on the sizes
turning out in a certain strictly controlled way. Good design should
work under various conditions.

--
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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 18:36:02 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:36:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D94E891.1040205@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20020927233543.80921.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> wrote:

> Some (actually very many, or most) just go with the default
> setting,
> whatever that might be. For some of those people that default is
> bigger
> than what they would actually be most comfortable with. For others
> it is
> smaller than what they really would prefer. For others it happens
> to be
> just right.
>
> Whatever you do besides using "100%" for basic text, is going to
> upset
> some of these people.
>
> Actually this whole thing is brilliantly explained in this page:
>
>   <http://css.nu/articles/font-analogy.html>

I've seen that article before, its no more convincing than your
arguments have been. I find it interesting that bumping down my font
size in that page twice makes the whole page *unreadable* because the
font size is TOO SMALL.

> Read it very carefully, and then think about it for a while.

Awful magnamimous of you! I see that you have this all figured out
from your perchtop! Well, maybe others who actually are looking for
information may have found my information helpful.

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 18:40:01 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:40:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D94E962.6050509@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20020927233947.35448.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> wrote:
> Tom Dell'Aringa:
>
> > --- Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> wrote:
>
> >> Most of the practical problems you see with % and em are in
> >> Netscape 4, right?
>
> > Not necessarily. You always need to test on all browsers.
>
> It is impossible to test on all browsers.

Okay, now this is a regular riot! You must be one of those people who
tests on IE only. It is NOT impossible, in fact it is very EASY to do
so. People on this list and others will gladly check on versions you
do no have access to. For myself, I use a service of
www.netmechanic.com which I pay a yearly fee, which sends me
something like 16 snapshots in all different browsers and font sizes.
So, again, you are wrong.

> > And again, different mac and pc browsers show sizes differently.
>
> That is no problem. Web pages are supposed to display differently
> in
> different browsers. We'll just have to suppose that people like the
> way
> their browser displays font sizes.

I don't think anyone is arguing that point at all...only that not
everyone has set thier sizes.

> > As I said before, even PC IE5.5/IE6 has differences - especially
> with
> > windows XP.
>
> This is a problem only if you use layouts that depend on the sizes
> turning out in a certain strictly controlled way. Good design
> should
> work under various conditions.

Are you even reading these posts or are you just spouting off? The
whole idea of ems is to ALLOW a liquid design. You are now completely
off the track and making statement that don't even make sense to the
original argument, which was using ems in the body tag and for
scaling fonts - which is exactly what you want when you design for
various conditions!

Anyway for the original poster - Jean I think - you have lots to
think about now!

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From bertilow at gmx.net  Fri Sep 27 18:58:01 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Fri Sep 27 18:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <20020927233947.35448.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D94F0B7.1020107@gmx.net>

Tom Dell'Aringa:

> --- Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> wrote:

>> > Not necessarily. You always need to test on all browsers.

>> It is impossible to test on all browsers.

> Okay, now this is a regular riot! You must be one of those people who
> tests on IE only.

You're tone is getting very unfriendly. I thought this was a place to
learn and to exchanges opinions and ideas.

No, I do not test on IE only. I test on the browsers I have available,
which are of course just a small fraction of all browsers. I use Mozilla
as my main tool when I develop a page, then I check the pages in
Konqueror and Opera 6 and in Lynx. When everything seems ready and
working, I fire up Windows and test in MSIE5 and MSIE6. Since I hide my
style sheets from older browsers, and since all may pages work perfectly
with style sheets turned off, I don't need to check in MSIE4, Netscape 4
and other older browsers, but I mostly have a quick look in one of those
too just to make sure.

I have no MacIntosh computer so I can't check in MSIE5 for Mac, which is
a real pity since that browser is completely different from MSIE5 on
Windows, and I'd really need to test that too. I have no OS2 computer
either, and no BeOS, and no Atari...

> For myself, I use a service of
> www.netmechanic.com which I pay a yearly fee, which sends me
> something like 16 snapshots in all different browsers and font sizes.
> So, again, you are wrong.

Those snapshots work with Unicode pages? (No. I didn't think so.)

And that will be all for now, since I don't like this discussion going
polemic.

--
Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> <http://www.bertilow.com>



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 20:37:06 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 20:37:06 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
In-Reply-To: <001BD19C96E6E64E8750D72C2EA0ECEE14DEBD@ati-ex-01.ati.local
 >
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927202659.00a07450@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 02:32 PM 9/27/02 -0700, Chris W. Parker wrote:

>...just remove the nested tables since they are only holding a graphic.

Actually, there are also cells between that contain text. I was just trying
to be brief.

>you need to make sure the outer <td> is vertically aligned, <td
>valign="top">. otherwise the nested table--if vertically smaller than
>the <td> it is contained within--will align itself to the middle
>vertically.
>
>make sense?

NOW it does - thanks! Although I still have a hard time figuring out when
the alignment is happening to an object or to the "container".

>please do try and find somewhere online to put it.
I'll try to find a place on my domain. Thanks.

Jean Peterson



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 20:37:22 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 20:37:22 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D94C6CD.8070704@tntluoma.com>
References: <523ED78FF1F87A44A40907C74F83CBC2057C50B4@mail.bgm.globeinteractive.com>
 <3D94C5E9.20902@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927203537.00a092d0@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 04:59 PM 9/27/02 -0400, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

>which is another argument in favor of using relative font keywords
>instead of EM or % because the keywords do not compound
>
>ref:
>http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_26_using_relative_font_sizes.html

I read the article and don't understand the references to Moveable Type and
Radio. Also, while I plan to use CSS ultimately, right now I'm doing a
"sketch" and would like to just accomplish this with straight HTML. Is
there an HTML way to use these relative font keywords?

Jean Peterson



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 20:49:01 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 20:49:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <20020927233947.35448.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <3D94E962.6050509@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927205221.00a0d8b0@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 04:39 PM 9/27/02 -0700, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
>Anyway for the original poster - Jean I think - you have lots to
>think about now!
>
>Tom

Yes - I certainly do! However, I don't like the idea that I should always
default to 100% of whatever the programmers of each individual browser have
decided is their default font size. I'm a purist, but that's going too far.
As we all know, many of the differences between browser display are simply
mistakes. And while a good design should be fluid, it should also be able
to display what was intended. It shouldn't be a slave to the whims of
browser programmers.

But what I really want to know right now is Font styling that has nothing
to do with CSS. I like CSS, but I don't have a grasp on it yet and need to
do something in straight HTML right now. Suggestions?

Jean Peterson



From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 20:53:02 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 20:53:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927202659.00a07450@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <3D950B49.90406@miinx.com.au>

Djinn wrote:
 >> please do try and find somewhere online to put it.
 >
 > I'll try to find a place on my domain. Thanks.

Hi Jean,

I was just having a play with your code, and I've put what you gave into
another 3 cell table, which I think is how you're saying the page is set
up...  and I've put it up here:

http://www.miinx.com.au/others/jean.htm

(the side columns I've coloured orange for differentiation, and I've put
borders on all the tables for clarity)

Is this what you're seeing?  The problem you describe doesn't seem to
happen here...

If not, if you want to send me the code, I'll stick it up here too.

HTH
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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 27 21:08:01 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:08:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927205221.00a0d8b0@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <20020928020745.49967.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Djinn <djinn at darkdesigns.org> wrote:
> At 04:39 PM 9/27/02 -0700, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
> >Anyway for the original poster - Jean I think - you have lots to
> >think about now!
> >
> >Tom
>
> Yes - I certainly do! However, I don't like the idea that I should
> always
> default to 100% of whatever the programmers of each individual
> browser have
> decided is their default font size. I'm a purist, but that's going
> too far.
> As we all know, many of the differences between browser display are
> simply
> mistakes. And while a good design should be fluid, it should also
> be able
> to display what was intended. It shouldn't be a slave to the whims
> of
> browser programmers.
>
> But what I really want to know right now is Font styling that has
> nothing
> to do with CSS. I like CSS, but I don't have a grasp on it yet and
> need to
> do something in straight HTML right now. Suggestions?
>
> Jean Peterson

Jean, the pure HTML way to specify it is to use the FONT tag, however
I cannot suggest that to you. I can only suggest you NOT use it. Its
a deprecated tag, and its a poor programming practice - and it is not
a standard.

The font tag was only brought to bear because web technology had not
moved fast enough for the word and people were clamoring for more
control. CSS came a bit after. But HTML is meant to communicate
structure and semantics - NOT presentation.

I realize on the one hand you want to "just get it done." But if you
are going to do it you may as well do it as good as you can. I will
be more than happy to help you offline with the CSS if you think its
a problem - I'd much rather do that than see you use font tags.

I also agree with you that you don't necessarily have to be a slave
to the browser and the users per se. You can still have some control
over what the user roughly sees - and yet allow them to change it.

Please feel free to contact me if you wish and I will gladly help!

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From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 21:13:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:13:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <12995.10.0.0.253.1033154694.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <3D951022.8030702@miinx.com.au>

djinn at darkdesigns.org wrote:
> What is the best way to specify the "default" font size for an entire page
> in HTML? I plan to add a basic CSS to my site but would like to have a
> fall-back for those browsers who don't deal with CSS well or at all.

heheh - I almost said, when you asked last night about where to post
basic html questions, that "yes, you can post them here, but they will
probably lead take an immediate turn to the left and spark a lengthy,
probably heated, debate about something highly theoretical that just
manages to hang on to your question by a thread..."  ;)

Basically Jean, no, there's no way to specify a "default" font size in
HTML - which is why, when you look at older html pages now, you'll see
<font> tags literally everywhere.

What older browsers are you wanting to target?  Even Netscape 4.x will
support some basic CSS...  my knowledge on earlier ones is rusty, but if
there's something in particular you're needing to allow for, let us know.

One thing you can do, using just HTML, is make use of the standard text
formatting tags.

<p>  for your content,
<h1> for the big headings,
<h2> for slightly smaller headings
down to
<h6> for tiny (but still emphasised) headings

Good luck :)

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From dm at lgcy.com  Fri Sep 27 21:28:01 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:28:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] php or perl/cgi?
Message-ID: <000901c2669f$0172d010$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

I'm wanting to expand myself a bit more now, this newbie says. Anyway, this
may sound like a completely silly question so bear with me. I want to begin
learning some server side stuff. Should I begin with something like php or,
instead, perl? Or is the comparison moot?
TIA
Daniel Medley
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From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 21:36:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:36:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Help with app. logic
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020923095155.037ed290@webcastle.com>
Message-ID: <3D951562.2060806@miinx.com.au>

Susan Wallace wrote:
 > So if I evaluate the current date and quarter, how do I go about
 > determining the back issues?
 >

Hi Susan, don't think I saw any replies to this, did you get it sorted?

My thoughts from what you've said:

You've got:
- current date
	- therefore also current quarter
- original joining date
	- therefore also original joining quarter
	- therefore also original last publication received

So:
Back_issues_to_get = (current_quarter) minus
(last_publication_received_quarter + 1)

* plus one as they do get that last publication

To illustrate...
We have:

quarters:		Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4
journals:		B	C	D	A

and so for Person X:

joins Q2:			here
last pub rcvd:		this
rejoins Q4:					here

so needs

Q4 - (Q1+1) = 2

and you can calculate 2 back from Q4.

Actually, you could probably just make that:

Back_issues_to_get = (current_quarter) minus (first_quarter)

HTH
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From dm at lgcy.com  Fri Sep 27 21:37:01 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:37:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] I've packed and moved.
Message-ID: <000f01c266a0$311e1210$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

I've finally switched hosting services for my web site (see link below). My
dial up is through a company called velocitus also with whom I used to have
my site hosted. A couple of days ago I did the switch. So far, when I try to
access the site via my velocitus dial up account I get a "cannot find server
error". However, it appears to be accessible via any other account. I can
access it through a proxy server as well. Is anyone else on this list able
to access it? Could anyone have an idea of why it is not accessible via my
dial up?

Thanks, peace,
Daniel
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at http://www.lobowalk.com




From steve at clason.org  Fri Sep 27 21:42:11 2002
From: steve at clason.org (Steve Clason)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:42:11 2002
Subject: [thelist] I've packed and moved.
In-Reply-To: <000f01c266a0$311e1210$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <MBEAKHLOHPBDBNLJOPDFIEJGCKAA.steve@clason.org>

> Is anyone else on this list able
> to access it?  http://www.lobowalk.com

I can access it just fine.

Steve Clason


From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 21:44:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:44:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Help with app. logic
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020923095155.037ed290@webcastle.com> <3D951562.2060806@miinx.com.au>
Message-ID: <3D951778.2050802@miinx.com.au>

Karen J. Bowen wrote:
> To illustrate...
> We have:
>
> quarters:        Q1    Q2    Q3    Q4
> journals:        B    C    D    A
>
> and so for Person X:
>
> joins Q2:            here
> last pub rcvd:        this
> rejoins Q4:                    here
>

[replying to myself as the kick-ass diagram (ha) got botched in the
transfer...  will try spaces instead of tabs:]

------------------------------------------------------------
We have:

quarters:                    Q1      Q2      Q3      Q4
journals:                    B       C       D       A

and so for Person X:

joins Q2:                            here
last pub rcvd is Q1:        this
rejoins Q4:                                         here

------------------------------------------------------------
[hope that works better...]


<totally off topic>
   and for those in Australia - GO PIES!!  ;-)
</totally off topic>


Karen
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From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 21:49:00 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:49:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] I've packed and moved.
References: <MBEAKHLOHPBDBNLJOPDFIEJGCKAA.steve@clason.org>
Message-ID: <3D95189B.3060502@miinx.com.au>

Steve Clason wrote:
>>Is anyone else on this list able
>>to access it?  http://www.lobowalk.com
>
> I can access it just fine.
>

ya, me too

Karen
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e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From dm at lgcy.com  Fri Sep 27 21:50:04 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:50:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] I've packed and moved.
References: <MBEAKHLOHPBDBNLJOPDFIEJGCKAA.steve@clason.org>
Message-ID: <002201c266a2$06b0cb60$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Clason" <steve at clason.org>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [thelist] I've packed and moved.


>
> > Is anyone else on this list able
> > to access it?  http://www.lobowalk.com
>
> I can access it just fine.
>
> Steve Clason
Any ideas as to why it's inaccessible via my dial up? It is possible that
the transfer has propagated everywhere else except with them?
Daniel Medley




From judah at wiredotter.com  Fri Sep 27 21:58:01 2002
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Fri Sep 27 21:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] I've packed and moved.
References: <MBEAKHLOHPBDBNLJOPDFIEJGCKAA.steve@clason.org> <002201c266a2$06b0cb60$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <3D951A72.9060106@wiredotter.com>

Daniel Medley wrote:
> Any ideas as to why it's inaccessible via my dial up? It is possible that
> the transfer has propagated everywhere else except with them?
> Daniel Medley

There is a reasonable chance that they still have an entry in their DNS
server that thinks its authoratative for your domain and still has the
old IP address.  Your dial up connection is probably using their DNS
server, so you are getting the wrong information back from it.  You
should call them and make sure that they remove the entry for your
domain from their DNS servers.

In the mean time, you can bypass their DNS servers by adding a line in
your hosts file.  Search for a file called HOSTS (no file extension).
You'll add a line with the IP address of the machine where your site now
resides.  The file includes comments that document the format.

Hope this helps,
Judah





From david at gigawatt.com  Fri Sep 27 22:09:01 2002
From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Fri Sep 27 22:09:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] I've packed and moved.
References: <000f01c266a0$311e1210$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <003201c2669c$4c1e9840$0100a8c0@snowwhite>

Daniel Medley <dm at lgcy.com> wrote:
> I've finally switched hosting services for my web site (see link
> below). My dial up is through a company called velocitus also with
> whom I used to have my site hosted. A couple of days ago I did the
> switch. So far, when I try to access the site via my velocitus dial
> up account I get a "cannot find server error". However, it appears to
> be accessible via any other account. I can access it through a proxy
> server as well. Is anyone else on this list able to access it? Could
> anyone have an idea of why it is not accessible via my dial up?

Hi Daniel,

i can access http://www.lobowalk.com just fine, too.  this is a common
problem that often happens to folks when they move their DNS away from
their own dialup ISP.  your ISP apparently has not removed the name
service (the record in their DNS servers) they had setup for your site.
this is usally an oversight on their part.

you could try emailing their tech support address and tell them that
their DNS servers are no longer "authoritative" for your domain (that
just means that you have updated your WHOIS record top point to
different DNS servers, elsewhere) and ask them to remove your domain
from their DNS servers.

it might be helful to send them a copy of the newly updated WHOIS
record:

whois lobowalk.com
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Registrant:
     Lobo Walk
     4615 S. Holladay Blvd
     Number 6
     Holladay, UT 84117
     US

     Domain Name: LOBOWALK.COM

     Administrative Contact:
        Medley, Daniel  dm at lgcy.com
        4615 S. Holladay Blvd #6
        Holladay, Ut. 84117
        US
        801-273-5764

     Technical Contact:
        Medley, Daniel  dm at lgcy.com
        4615 S. Holladay Blvd
        Number 6
        Holladay, UT 84117
        US
        801-273-5764

     Registration Service Provider:
        Velocitus, dns-admin at velocitus.net
        208-336-9200


     Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
     Record last updated on 26-Sep-2002.
     Record expires on 28-Aug-2003.
     Record Created on 28-Aug-2000.

     Domain servers in listed order:
        NS1.FASTNAMESERV.COM   66.186.207.1
        NS2.FASTNAMESERV.COM   64.38.111.2
    ---------------------------------------------------------

if their nameserver is incorrectly advertising that it is still
authoritative for that domain name (as it sounds), this stale record
*will* continue to prevent anyone who is using their DNS servers (all
their dialup customers) from accessing your domain, until that record is
removed.

--dave



From ahuka at ahuka.com  Fri Sep 27 22:35:01 2002
From: ahuka at ahuka.com (Kevin B. O'Brien)
Date: Fri Sep 27 22:35:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Back in the Aeron again
In-Reply-To: <3D944FA8.8040700@miinx.com.au>
References: <9F215842-D212-11D6-8C87-00306549DF86@mountain.ch>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020927233236.00ba8408@bert.webservepro.com>

At 10:31 PM 9/27/2002 +1000, Karen J. Bowen said something remarkably like
(but somehow subtly different from):
>Mark Howells wrote:
>>>Is it me or now that we have WYSIWYG editors, everyone
>>>claims to be a HTML coder and web designer?
>>
>>It's been like that for years, certainly since NN4.0. first shipped
>>with a WYSIWYG editor. I'm still getting requests from clients who want
>>to "have a go" at changing CSS layouts I've made, asking if I can
>>"write them a quick email explaining why their changes don't work in
>>Netscape 4" and "give them a quick run-down on how CSS works".
>>
>>Grrr.
>
>oooo - perfect time to bring out my favourite ever post on this list,
>all kudos to Chris W. Parker:
>
>- - - - - - -
>"and without being too mean (note: i said TOO mean, not mean at all), is
>there ANY other profession where someone without ANY experience at all
>considers themselve apart of that profession?

Oddly, there is. I am, by original training, an economist. And I have
noticed that people are quite willing to assert their opinions despite
knowing virtually nothing except what they have heard on a bad talk radio
program.


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The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery." --
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From seyon at delime.com  Fri Sep 27 22:44:01 2002
From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon)
Date: Fri Sep 27 22:44:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D951022.8030702@miinx.com.au>
References: <12995.10.0.0.253.1033154694.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020927234203.022bbe18@mail.delime.com>

Message from Karen J. Bowen (9/28/2002 12:12 PM)
>djinn at darkdesigns.org wrote:
>
>Basically Jean, no, there's no way to specify a "default" font size in
>HTML - which is why, when you look at older html pages now, you'll see
><font> tags literally everywhere.

<basefont> anyone?
Yeah, it's deprecated but she did say she's just doing a "sketch" not so?

-m


From lists at miinx.com.au  Fri Sep 27 23:06:00 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Fri Sep 27 23:06:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
References: <12995.10.0.0.253.1033154694.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net> <4.2.0.58.20020927234203.022bbe18@mail.delime.com>
Message-ID: <3D952A71.2040809@miinx.com.au>

Marc Seyon wrote:
>
> <basefont> anyone?
> Yeah, it's deprecated but she did say she's just doing a "sketch" not so?
>

oooooo - good one Marc, I'd forgotten that.

And according to (my offline version of) the HTML Tag List, it's HTML
3.2, so supported by most of the earlier browsers, especially the 'size'
attribute.

so

<basefont size="3" face="arial,verdana" color="black">

* Attribute SIZE
Set the default size of the text in the document. The valid range is 1 -
7. The default is 3.  When using the FONT element to change the size
with a relative value, eg <FONT size="+2">, the new size is relative to
the size specified here.

* Attribute FACE
Set the default font of the document. You can use the same syntax as
with the FACE attribute of the FONT element.  You can supply more than
one name, delimited by a comma. The browser will use the first font of
the list which is available.

* Attribute COLOR
Set the default color of the text in the document.

Netscape 3 & 4 only support the SIZE attribute, while IE 3 & 4 support
all three attrib's.


Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 23:36:01 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 23:36:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] HTML List?
In-Reply-To: <3D950B49.90406@miinx.com.au>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927202659.00a07450@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927230915.00a0da00@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 11:52 AM 9/28/02 +1000, Karen J. Bowen wrote:
>Is this what you're seeing?  The problem you describe doesn't seem to
>happen here...
>
>If not, if you want to send me the code, I'll stick it up here too.

It's actually exactly what I see, but you aren't seeing the actual images
because you don't have the image files. I do have the image files and the
paths are correct and I still can't get them to show. I included the code
because I thought maybe someone would see something wrong with what I
wrote. If they don't see anything wrong with it, it must be somewhere else
in the doc. I'm planning to put it up temporarily on my domain shortly. Thanks.

Jean



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 23:36:13 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 23:36:13 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <20020928020745.49967.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927205221.00a0d8b0@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927232040.009ff860@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 07:07 PM 9/27/02 -0700, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
>The font tag was only brought to bear because web technology had not
>moved fast enough for the word and people were clamoring for more
>control. CSS came a bit after. But HTML is meant to communicate
>structure and semantics - NOT presentation.

Unfortunately, from what I have seen on the CSS list I'm also on as well as
articles, etc., web technology is _still_ not moving fast enough. There is
a reason that there is "Transitional HTML 4.01" and that so many people
still make straight HTML websites - most browsers don't support CSS enough
to make it practical and the ones that support most of it have so many bugs
you have to "hack" every other thing you do. It will be a while before I
can learn all of the hacks and work-arounds I'll need to know to use CSS in
the current environment. Therefore, I will be using HTML for some styling.

Jean



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 23:37:44 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 23:37:44 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020927234203.022bbe18@mail.delime.com>
References: <3D951022.8030702@miinx.com.au>
 <12995.10.0.0.253.1033154694.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927233904.00a0d090@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 11:42 PM 9/27/02 -0400, Marc Seyon wrote:

><basefont> anyone?
>Yeah, it's deprecated but she did say she's just doing a "sketch" not so?

Yes, it's just for a quick sketch I need right away. I've heard of
<basefont> - where would you use it and how? Thanks.

Jean



From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Fri Sep 27 23:45:00 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Fri Sep 27 23:45:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <3D952A71.2040809@miinx.com.au>
References: <12995.10.0.0.253.1033154694.webemail@webmail.secureserver.net>
 <4.2.0.58.20020927234203.022bbe18@mail.delime.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020927235223.00a0d470@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 02:05 PM 9/28/02 +1000, Karen J. Bowen wrote:

><basefont size="3" face="arial,verdana" color="black">
>
>* Attribute SIZE
>Set the default size of the text in the document. The valid range is 1 -
>7. The default is 3.  When using the FONT element to change the size
>with a relative value, eg <FONT size="+2">, the new size is relative to
>the size specified here.

Awesome! Thanks Karen and Marc! I assume that I use this with <body>. I'll
try this right off.

Jean



From iokey at tokutoku.or.jp  Sat Sep 28 00:00:01 2002
From: iokey at tokutoku.or.jp (my name)
Date: Sat Sep 28 00:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] fuck you all.
Message-ID: <20020928045950.16136.qmail@tokutoku.or.jp>

fuck you all.
sent so many letters !!!


----- Original Message -----
From: Djinn <djinn at darkdesigns.org>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:53:40 -0500
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org, thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Font Size


> At 02:05 PM 9/28/02 +1000, Karen J. Bowen wrote:
>
> ><basefont size="3" face="arial,verdana" color="black">
> >
> >* Attribute SIZE
> >Set the default size of the text in the document. The valid range is 1 -
> >7. The default is 3.  When using the FONT element to change the size
> >with a relative value, eg <FONT size="+2">, the new size is relative to
> >the size specified here.
>
> Awesome! Thanks Karen and Marc! I assume that I use this with <body>. I'll
> try this right off.
>
> Jean
>
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From headlines at lists.evolt.org  Sat Sep 28 00:11:01 2002
From: headlines at lists.evolt.org (Headlines)
Date: Sat Sep 28 00:11:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 27-SEP-02
Message-ID: <200209280510.g8S5AHqx016041@leo.evolt.org>

evolt.org headlines for 27-SEP-02

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From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Sat Sep 28 03:36:01 2002
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Sat Sep 28 03:36:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] php or perl/cgi?
In-Reply-To: <000901c2669f$0172d010$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
References: <000901c2669f$0172d010$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <20020928083653.GA21867@us-lot.org>

On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 08:27:41PM -0700, Daniel Medley wrote:
> I'm wanting to expand myself a bit more now, this newbie says. Anyway, this
> may sound like a completely silly question so bear with me. I want to begin
> learning some server side stuff. Should I begin with something like php or,
> instead, perl? Or is the comparison moot?

It depends what you want to do.

Perl is
* More mature
* More available
* Less focused on the web

PHP is
* Easier to dive in to

I've sure other people can give good rasons for using either.


--
David Dorward                                   http://david.us-lot.org/
HTML email is a bit like using coloured paper and glitter ink on a CV.


From niklaso at swipnet.se  Sat Sep 28 04:21:01 2002
From: niklaso at swipnet.se (Niklas)
Date: Sat Sep 28 04:21:01 2002
Subject: SV: [thelist] php or perl/cgi?
In-Reply-To: <000901c2669f$0172d010$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <000401c271d0$6f235d00$0300a8c0@dittc26ij7yf75>


-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fr?n: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] F?r Daniel Medley
Skickat: den 28 september 2002 05:28
Till: thelist at lists.evolt.org
?mne: [thelist] php or perl/cgi?

I'm wanting to expand myself a bit more now, this newbie says. Anyway,
this
may sound like a completely silly question so bear with me. I want to
begin
learning some server side stuff. Should I begin with something like php
or,
instead, perl? Or is the comparison moot?
TIA
Daniel Medley
Feeling more like I do now than I did before
at http://www.lobowalk.com


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I would without hesitation recommend PHP before Perl.

Of course it all depends on what you're planning on doing but
I'd say PHP is much easier to start with. Also if you're making
a high traffic site perl isn?t your first option since it's made for
usability rather than speed.
Just my to cents though.





From ldelahunty at britstream.com  Sat Sep 28 05:44:01 2002
From: ldelahunty at britstream.com (Liam Delahunty)
Date: Sat Sep 28 05:44:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] php or perl/cgi?
In-Reply-To: <000901c2669f$0172d010$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <KIECJFDIGJOFCMFKDEKBCEHADEAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>

Daniel Medley asked:

> Should I begin with something like php or, instead, perl?

PHP is easier to get to grips with at first. There are certainly a lot of
resources available on the web for both, but I would suggest that you are
more likely to easily find an understandable answer for PHP questions as
many perl resources are more technical.

If using windows
See the following review for a PHPTriad:
http://www.evolt.org/article/Review_of_PHPTriad_for_Windows/12/20492/

I've used this in the past and have been up and running on a windows dev box
in minutes:
http://www.firepages.com.au/


Kind regards,
Liam Delahunty
Mega Products Limited



From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sat Sep 28 05:51:01 2002
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sat Sep 28 05:51:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Expiring pages
Message-ID: <000001c266dc$cdf7e9d0$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>

Hi all

I'm working on a project that needs have have certain pages expire after
12 months.  Is there a meta tag that will do this for me (I'm after the
simplist solution to this as it won't be me updating the pages).  Also
is there a simple way to re-direct expired pages to a "the page you're
trying to view has expired" page.  If this can be done in Javascript,
this would be ideal as I don't have the luxury of ASP, PHP etc for this
job.

Cheers

Francis




From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sat Sep 28 06:58:01 2002
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sat Sep 28 06:58:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Js change mailto
Message-ID: <000001c266e6$34bd2f00$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>

Hi all

I'm trying to change a mailto address depending on whether a checkbox is
checked or not.

The idea is that the normal address is: normal at foo.com and if the user
checked "this is urgent" I can change it to urgent at foo.com.

Not being great at JavaScript, I've got this far:

function formcheck()

	if document.letter1.userurgent.checked;
	{
		document.letter1.action="mailto:urgent at foo.com";
	}
	else
	{
		document.letter1.action="mailto:normal at foo.com";
	}


But not much further.  Help!

Cheers

Francis




From joshua at waetech.com  Sat Sep 28 08:06:00 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Sat Sep 28 08:06:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Trying to create client/server model
Message-ID: <033901c266ef$a02d3790$0200a8c0@client1>

I've got idea for a server/client application and I'm hoping to employ some
"standard" practices to make it cross platform compatible.  My idea is to
create a Java applet to handle all communication between the client and
server and use the Java Applet to perform actions on the page, such as
update form fields, swap graphics, and change the src location of frames.

Does anybody have any good resources/starting points for doing this?  Is
there a better way?

Thanks in advance.

-joshua



From bertilow at gmx.net  Sat Sep 28 08:10:01 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Sat Sep 28 08:10:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Trying to create client/server model
References: <033901c266ef$a02d3790$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <3D95AA3D.8000402@gmx.net>

Joshua Olson:

> My idea is to
> create a Java applet to handle all communication between the client and
> server and use the Java Applet to perform actions on the page, such as
> update form fields, swap graphics, and change the src location of frames.

> Does anybody have any good resources/starting points for doing this?  Is
> there a better way?

I would use a hidden Iframe (or several hidden Iframes) and JavaScript
instead. Javascript has wider support in (modern) clients.

--
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From joshua at waetech.com  Sat Sep 28 08:47:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Sat Sep 28 08:47:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Trying to create client/server model
References: <033901c266ef$a02d3790$0200a8c0@client1> <3D95AA3D.8000402@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <034101c266f5$484c8430$0200a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bertilo Wennergren" <bertilow at gmx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:10 AM


> Joshua Olson:
>
> > My idea is to
> > create a Java applet to handle all communication between the client and
> > server and use the Java Applet to perform actions on the page, such as
> > update form fields, swap graphics, and change the src location of
frames.
>
> > Does anybody have any good resources/starting points for doing this?  Is
> > there a better way?
>
> I would use a hidden Iframe (or several hidden Iframes) and JavaScript
> instead. Javascript has wider support in (modern) clients.

For some applications, such as submitting forms to the server and waiting
for a form, that model fits.  And, that's the way I normally perform
client->server->client actions.  But, in this case I am interested in
establishing a quasi-permanent connection between the server and the client
that allows the server to send actions to the client at times of its
choosing, rather than requiring the client to always request the
information.

For example, the store manager client has a list of products on the screen.
Another manager adds a product.  I'd like for the 1st managers list to get
updated automatically.  With an iframe, I'd have to intermittantly requery
the server for additions.  I really want to avoid that.  Does IE have some
sort of proprietary interface for doing this?

Thanks again.

-joshua



From bertilow at gmx.net  Sat Sep 28 09:07:01 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Sat Sep 28 09:07:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Trying to create client/server model
References: <033901c266ef$a02d3790$0200a8c0@client1> <3D95AA3D.8000402@gmx.net> <034101c266f5$484c8430$0200a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <3D95B7B8.5040309@gmx.net>

Joshua Olson:

> From: "Bertilo Wennergren" <bertilow at gmx.net>

>> I would use a hidden Iframe (or several hidden Iframes) and JavaScript
>> instead. Javascript has wider support in (modern) clients.

> For some applications, such as submitting forms to the server and waiting
> for a form, that model fits.  And, that's the way I normally perform
> client->server->client actions.  But, in this case I am interested in
> establishing a quasi-permanent connection between the server and the client
> that allows the server to send actions to the client at times of its
> choosing, rather than requiring the client to always request the
> information.

> For example, the store manager client has a list of products on the screen.
> Another manager adds a product.  I'd like for the 1st managers list to get
> updated automatically.  With an iframe, I'd have to intermittantly requery
> the server for additions.  I really want to avoid that.

Would such an intermittant checking at the server really be that bad?
The data transmitted could be minimal.

> Does IE have some sort of proprietary interface for doing this?

No idea.

--
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From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sat Sep 28 10:30:01 2002
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sat Sep 28 10:30:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Js change mailto
In-Reply-To: <000001c266e6$34bd2f00$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>
Message-ID: <000101c26703$d48ba6c0$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>

Don't worry, I did it myself!

Here it is - if there's a better way, I'm interested!

Cheers

Francis

____________________________



<script type="text/javascript">

function formcheck()
{

	if (document.letter1.userurgent.checked)
	{
		document.all.addresscheck.href="mailto:urgent at bar.com";
	}
	else
	{
		document.all.addresscheck.href="mailto:normal at foo.com";
	}
return false
}
</script>





From lists at miinx.com.au  Sat Sep 28 10:33:00 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Sat Sep 28 10:33:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Js change mailto
References: <000001c266e6$34bd2f00$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>
Message-ID: <3D95CBA0.1080805@miinx.com.au>

fstorr wrote:
> I'm trying to change a mailto address depending on whether a checkbox is
> checked or not.
>

Hi Francis,

Try this:

---- js: ----

function formcheck() {
   if (document.forms["letter1"].useragent.checked)
     document.forms["letter1"].action="mailto:urgent at foo.com"
   else
     document.forms["letter1"].action="mailto:normal at foo.com"
}


---- form code: ----

<form name="letter1" action="mailto:normal at foo.com">
	<input type="checkbox" name="useragent" onclick="formcheck();">
</form>


hth
Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From lists at miinx.com.au  Sat Sep 28 10:44:00 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (Karen J. Bowen)
Date: Sat Sep 28 10:44:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Js change mailto
References: <000101c26703$d48ba6c0$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>
Message-ID: <3D95CE26.2070606@miinx.com.au>

fstorr wrote:
> 	if (document.letter1.userurgent.checked)
> 	{
> 		document.all.addresscheck.href="mailto:urgent at bar.com";
> 	}
> 	else

heh - you just beat me :)

close, however document.all is IE-only.

cheers,
Karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Sat Sep 28 10:48:00 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Sat Sep 28 10:48:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Invisible Images
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928105110.00a1a520@mail.darkdesigns.org>

OK - I put my page up on www.chicago-chronicles.org/test. Please look at it
and tell me why my images in the center aren't viewable.

Thanks,
Jean



From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sat Sep 28 10:51:00 2002
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sat Sep 28 10:51:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Js change mailto
In-Reply-To: <3D95CE26.2070606@miinx.com.au>
Message-ID: <000001c26706$bf702e20$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>

heh - you just beat me :)

close, however document.all is IE-only.

cheers,
Karen

__________

Heh heh - I've just discovered that!  Thanks for your version, I was
just starting to scratch my head over why it wasn't working in Netscape.

Thanks

F




From lists at tntluoma.com  Sat Sep 28 10:59:00 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Sat Sep 28 10:59:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Invisible Images
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928105110.00a1a520@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <3D95D199.6000801@tntluoma.com>

Djinn wrote:
> OK - I put my page up on www.chicago-chronicles.org/test. Please look at it
> and tell me why my images in the center aren't viewable.

Please validate the page

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.chicago-chronicles.org/test/

There are a number of syntax errors
TjL

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 28 11:32:03 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Sat Sep 28 11:32:03 2002
Subject: [thelist] Js change mailto
In-Reply-To: <000101c26703$d48ba6c0$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>
Message-ID: <20020928163135.94478.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>

--- fstorr <fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Don't worry, I did it myself!
>
> Here it is - if there's a better way, I'm interested!

> <script type="text/javascript">
>
> function formcheck()
> {
>
> 	if (document.letter1.userurgent.checked)
> 	{
> 		document.all.addresscheck.href="mailto:urgent at bar.com";
> 	}
> 	else
> 	{
> 		document.all.addresscheck.href="mailto:normal at foo.com";
> 	}
> return false
> }
> </script>

One thing I would suggest is something like this:

function formcheck()
{
  if (!document.forms["letter1"].useragent.checked)
  {
    document.forms["letter1"].action="mailto:normal at foo.com";
    return;
  }
document.forms["letter1"].action="mailto:urgent at foo.com";
}

This saves you on the else clause. Its picky I know, but someone once
told me this was the "proper" way to do things (I believe he had a C
background)..anyway, I liked the idea and use it myself - its merely
a suggestion.

The argument could be made its slightly less readable for beginning
coders..don't know if you care about that :) This could be done the
other way around without the "not" in front..either way works.

I'm guessing this might spark a debate...

Tom


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From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Sat Sep 28 11:33:01 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Sat Sep 28 11:33:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Invisible Images
In-Reply-To: <3D95D199.6000801@tntluoma.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928105110.00a1a520@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928113702.009dfcf0@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 11:58 AM 9/28/02 -0400, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.chicago-chronicles.org/test/
>
>There are a number of syntax errors

OK - sorry about my sloppiness. I have fixed everything I know how to fix.
I have revalidated and what is left are things that I cannot see how to
fix. It tells me that my table tags are wrong but I have run through and
matched <table> with </table> and <td> with </td>, etc. I can't see why it
says they are wrong.

As I mentioned about this page before, I'm trying to start with one
full-page table with three "column cells" to divide the page content. Then
each of these "column cells" contains a table to further control the cell
content. Perhaps there's something wrong with how I'm nesting these tables.

I'm also not sure where I should be putting the image map tag that is the
first error.

Jean



From chris at fuzzylizard.com  Sat Sep 28 11:36:01 2002
From: chris at fuzzylizard.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Sat Sep 28 11:36:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Invisible Images
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928105110.00a1a520@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <3D95E8C5.6030003@fuzzylizard.com>

This is your problem right here - <base href="http://www.">

This is causing browsers to look for images in http://www./images

Fix this and your images should appear.

/chris

Djinn wrote:

> OK - I put my page up on www.chicago-chronicles.org/test. Please look
> at it
> and tell me why my images in the center aren't viewable.
>
> Thanks,
> Jean
>

--
www.fuzzylizard.com
chris at fuzzylizard.com





From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sat Sep 28 11:41:04 2002
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sat Sep 28 11:41:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] Js change mailto
In-Reply-To: <20020928163135.94478.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c2670d$b3b785e0$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>

One thing I would suggest is something like this:

function formcheck()
{
  if (!document.forms["letter1"].useragent.checked)
  {
    document.forms["letter1"].action="mailto:normal at foo.com";
    return;
  }
document.forms["letter1"].action="mailto:urgent at foo.com";
}

This saves you on the else clause. Its picky I know, but someone once
told me this was the "proper" way to do things (I believe he had a C
background)..anyway, I liked the idea and use it myself - its merely a
suggestion.

_________________________

Hi Tom

Thanks for that - I knew there'd be a way to get rid of the else bit.
Cheers.

Another question:  How can I alter a link in that form?  I've got this:

	document.links["addresscheck"].href="mailto:urgent at foo.com";

Which works fine in NS but doesn't want to play in IE.  I'm playing with
instead of changing the action of the form to changing the value of a
link.

Cheers

F




From lists at tntluoma.com  Sat Sep 28 11:43:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Sat Sep 28 11:43:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Invisible Images
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928105110.00a1a520@mail.darkdesigns.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020928113702.009dfcf0@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <3D95DBFC.2070208@tntluoma.com>

Djinn wrote:

 > Perhaps there's something wrong with how I'm nesting these tables.

That's why I've gone with CSS for presentation.  It's much easier to
write working pages without having to worry about the mess than nesting
tables creates.

Best suggestion I can give you (if you're determined to stick with
tables) is to start commenting things out and add them back one at a
time and see where it breaks.... and add borders to your elements so you
can see where they outline.

TjL

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From djinn at darkdesigns.org  Sat Sep 28 11:47:01 2002
From: djinn at darkdesigns.org (Djinn)
Date: Sat Sep 28 11:47:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Invisible Images
In-Reply-To: <3D95E8C5.6030003@fuzzylizard.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928105110.00a1a520@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928115249.00a1e790@mail.darkdesigns.org>

At 12:37 PM 9/28/02 -0500, Chris Johnston wrote:
>This is your problem right here - <base href="http://www.">
>
>This is causing browsers to look for images in http://www./images
>
>Fix this and your images should appear.
>
>/chris
Oh - you are a god! I took the head info from another page and intended to
"fill it in" later. I thought that I had tested whether these unfinished
things were causing the problem by removing them and viewing the page, but
I guess I missed testing this one. Thank you so much!

Now, even though the page shows up fine, I'd like to know why the validator
doesn't like my image map tag and table tags.

Jean



From joel at spinhead.com  Sat Sep 28 12:45:01 2002
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield)
Date: Sat Sep 28 12:45:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] where can I download Mozilla Personal Security Manager?
Message-ID: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC480560@ireland.spinhead.com>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
According to this page
http://www.gerbilbox.com/newzilla/mozilla/usingmoz06.php

"Mozilla is now built with the Personal Security Manager (PSM), which allows
Mozilla to visit secure sites, on all the major platforms (Linux, Mac OS,
Windows) and a number of other ones as well. No separate download is
required, as was required in the past."

But it don't work that way for me. I'm using Mozilla 1.1 on Windows 2000 Pro
(Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826) and
when I try to access any kind of secure site, I get a 'go download PSM and
try again' error.

Feeling slightly ignorant.

joel

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From wil at inaridesign.com  Sat Sep 28 12:48:00 2002
From: wil at inaridesign.com (Wil Cone)
Date: Sat Sep 28 12:48:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Invisible Images
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020928115249.00a1e790@mail.darkdesigns.org>
Message-ID: <000a01c2670f$ba5b9650$f30deb43@CHEESE>

You still have several table nesting errors...missing </td> tags
mostly...

And the <map> tag is not allowed within <table>...

- Wil

-----Original Message-----

Now, even though the page shows up fine, I'd like to know why the
validator doesn't like my image map tag and table tags.

Jean



From crsaila at yahoo.ca  Sat Sep 28 13:16:05 2002
From: crsaila at yahoo.ca (Craig Saila)
Date: Sat Sep 28 13:16:05 2002
Subject: [thelist] Expiring pages
References: <000001c266dc$cdf7e9d0$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>
Message-ID: <3D95F1A3.3000501@yahoo.ca>

fstorr wrote:
> I'm working on a project that needs have have certain pages expire after
> 12 months.  Is there a meta tag that will do this for me (I'm after the
> simplist solution to this as it won't be me updating the pages).  Also

You can try the meta expires tag:
<http://www.submitcorner.com/Guide/Meta/expires.shtml>

> is there a simple way to re-direct expired pages to a "the page you're
> trying to view has expired" page.  If this can be done in Javascript,
> this would be ideal as I don't have the luxury of ASP, PHP etc for this
> job.

Obviously, server-side would be better, but you could use JavaScript's
Date object:
<http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/js/client/jsref/date.htm>
If the date is greater than your expiry date, you can then write a
simple redirect.

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From dm at lgcy.com  Sat Sep 28 14:07:01 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Sat Sep 28 14:07:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] php slightly ot
Message-ID: <000501c2672a$82853310$78ca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

I've downloaded two versions of PHPTriad; 2.2 and 2.1. Anyone have any
experience with either or? Would you be so kind as to relate them to me? I'm
wanting to install on a win2000 pro box.

Peace,
Daniel
Feeling more like I do now than I did before
at http://www.lobowalk.com




From list at yaffle.org  Sat Sep 28 14:17:01 2002
From: list at yaffle.org (timothy booker)
Date: Sat Sep 28 14:17:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] where can I download Mozilla Personal Security Manager?
References: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC480560@ireland.spinhead.com>
Message-ID: <3D95FFB2.8040402@yaffle.org>

Joel Canfield wrote:
> when I try to access any kind of secure site, I get a 'go download PSM and
> try again' error.

The personal security manager is an optional component when you install
Mozilla.  Try running the setup again and choose a custom installation.
  Then, ensure personal security manager is checked in the list.

You should be able to run the install again without over-riding any
preferences.

HTH,
Tim



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From joel at spinhead.com  Sat Sep 28 14:35:01 2002
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield)
Date: Sat Sep 28 14:35:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] where can I download Mozilla Personal Security Mana
	ger?
Message-ID: <D0E94826C140C3409057ED957D96AC480562@ireland.spinhead.com>

--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> The personal security manager is an optional component when
> you install Mozilla.  Try running the setup again and choose
> a custom installation.
>   Then, ensure personal security manager is checked in the list.
>
> You should be able to run the install again without
> over-riding any preferences.

Worked perfectly. Thanks.

joel

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From lists at irubin.com  Sat Sep 28 15:21:01 2002
From: lists at irubin.com (Kevin)
Date: Sat Sep 28 15:21:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Expired Domain Name
Message-ID: <000901c2672d$26853ad0$6401a8c0@irubinmain>

Hello,

I am interested in buying a certain domain name. The ownership of the domain
expired a few days ago, but I am unable to register it.

Is there anything that can be done to release the domain name for
registration?

Thanks in advance.

--K



From lists at tntluoma.com  Sat Sep 28 15:43:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Sat Sep 28 15:43:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Expired Domain Name
References: <000901c2672d$26853ad0$6401a8c0@irubinmain>
Message-ID: <3D96143E.3010405@tntluoma.com>

Kevin wrote:

> I am interested in buying a certain domain name. The ownership of the domain
> expired a few days ago, but I am unable to register it.
>
> Is there anything that can be done to release the domain name for
> registration?

Nope... and if it's a desirable domain, they may hold it until they get
a really good offer for it.

The system is broken.  I saw a domain listed for $6,000 the other day,
and I know others go for even more.  So we have a bunch of domains being
wasted by vultures just looking to make a profit on reselling them.

TjL


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From prosayist at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 28 17:22:04 2002
From: prosayist at yahoo.com (Dan Stockton)
Date: Sat Sep 28 17:22:04 2002
Subject: [thelist] Invisible Images
Message-ID: <20020928222148.34893.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com>

(remove "</td></tr>" from line 90..
      shortly after "<!--End Image Map Menu-->")

(put all your map stuff togethe.. without </td... in between <img and <map)

<tr><td><CENTER><img src="images/worldmetalsmbl.gif" WIDTH="295"
HEIGHT="149" alt="Camarilla Location Map" usemap="#cam" border=0>
<map name="cam">
<area shape="rect" href="northam.html" coords="0,0,110,72" alt="North
America">
<area shape="rect" href="southam.html" coords="30,74,110,148" alt="South
America">
<area shape="rect" href="europe.html" coords="122,0,184,43" alt="Europe">
<area shape="rect" href="africa.html" coords="112,45,171,134" alt="Africa">
<area shape="rect" href="asia.html" coords="211,0,271,97" alt="Asia">
<area shape="rect" href="middleeast.html" coords="172,44,209,74" alt="Middle
East">
<area shape="rect" href="ausoceania.html" coords="236,99,294,148"
alt="Australia/Oceania">
</map></CENTER></td></tr>

revalidate :)

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From adrian at aussiebidder.com  Sat Sep 28 18:03:02 2002
From: adrian at aussiebidder.com (Adrian Fischer)
Date: Sat Sep 28 18:03:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql-changing some but not all info in a column
In-Reply-To: <20020928222148.34893.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MAEALCHBJCNLINKOIAMPIEOHDMAA.adrian@aussiebidder.com>

Sorry about this.  It is a resend because I lost the info and cant find it
in the archives...


Greetings all,

I have a mysql db and in one of the columns I have a url to an image.  I
need to change the domain part of the url.  The rest remains the same.

so...

http:/domain.com/images/nicepic.gif

becomes

http://newdomain.com.au/blah/blah

There is about 700 records to change.  Time consuming if I have to do it by
hand to say the least.

Any Ideas would be appreciated

Regards

Adrian Fischer



From r937 at interlog.com  Sat Sep 28 18:34:02 2002
From: r937 at interlog.com (r937 at interlog.com)
Date: Sat Sep 28 18:34:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql-changing some but not all info in a column
Message-ID: <E17vR5a-00037V-00@app3.nasc.inter.net>

> http:/domain.com/images/nicepic.gif
>
> becomes
>
> http://newdomain.com.au/blah/blah

hi adrian

assuming you wanted to leave the path and file name alone,

  update yourtable
     set thecolumn
        = replace(thecolumn,'domain.com','newdomain.com.au')

rudy



From evolt at jaydorsey.com  Sat Sep 28 18:49:01 2002
From: evolt at jaydorsey.com (Jay Dorsey)
Date: Sat Sep 28 18:49:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Expired Domain Name
References: <000901c2672d$26853ad0$6401a8c0@irubinmain> <3D96143E.3010405@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <3D964EFE.1070002@jaydorsey.com>

I know as it used to be you could go to http://www.snapnames.com/ and
put a 'snapback' ($69)or http://www.namewinner.com/ and put a 'bid'
($25+) (I've seen other places worked similar to this).  I personnally
have picked up three domain names this way (I got them all for my
minimum $25 bid).

I say 'used to be' because the domain expiration cycle is going through
some changes right now.  As it was (and still may be - I don't know when
these changes are taking place exactly) a domain wasn't released back
into the pool of names until usually a *minimum* of 30 days after the
name has expired (varies w/ each registrar).  This would give the holder
of the domain a bit of a grace period to renew the domain.  Once the
grace period was over, domains were dropped basically 'whenever' (there
used to be a set schedule, then it started varying - I could always find
activity in the nwforum.com forums about when the next 'drop' was going
to happen, so there was a way to find out somehow).  This method of
releasing names could get quite expensive as people jacked up the bid on
them (the highest I personnally saw was 10k+ for one .com name).

ICANN (http://www.icann.org/) has just approved a WLS (Wait Listing
Service) that works similar to snapnames SnapBack service.  Basically,
you pay $X to 'get in line' for when the domain name drops.  This could
help out the 'little guy' such as myself, but there are guys out there
that are into the domain business big time (UltSearch comes to mind)
that could most likely afford to 'get in line' on hundreds if not
thousands of domain names for the price of what he probably normally
spends in a year.

I don't know where the system stands right now - namewinner is still
open, I believe - so you might be able to go there and put a bid in on
it (that's where I got all three of my names from).  It couldn't hurt
really - you only get charged if you win the auction, AND if namewinner
actually grabs the domain name when it expires (it competes w/ snapnames
and other similar services trying to snatch the domain name).

I'm not an expert on this subject per se - but I've read a bit into it -
I highly suggest reading Lee Hodgson's articles on DomainGuru
(particularly these on expiring domain names
http://www.domainguru.com/c/33).

Also, legally, the registrar can't 'hold on to it' until they get a good
offer (not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not supposed to).  That
would be a Very Bad Thing if they could, since it's often hard enough
trying to get names as it is anyways.

Jay

Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

> Kevin wrote:
>
>> I am interested in buying a certain domain name. The ownership of the
>> domain
>> expired a few days ago, but I am unable to register it.
>>
>> Is there anything that can be done to release the domain name for
>> registration?
>
>
> Nope... and if it's a desirable domain, they may hold it until they get
> a really good offer for it.
>
> The system is broken.  I saw a domain listed for $6,000 the other day,
> and I know others go for even more.  So we have a bunch of domains being
> wasted by vultures just looking to make a profit on reselling them.
>
> TjL
>
>
> --
> 30 Days to becoming an Opera Lover
>                                        http://www.tntluoma.com/switch
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>                        http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/day25-plugins/
>
>



From nansmith at heritageconcord.org  Sat Sep 28 19:01:01 2002
From: nansmith at heritageconcord.org (Nan Smith)
Date: Sat Sep 28 19:01:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mysql-changing some but not all info in a column
In-Reply-To: <E17vR5a-00037V-00@app3.nasc.inter.net>
Message-ID: <BDEGINKLKKDNIMKNAMKNGENDCFAA.nansmith@heritageconcord.org>

>> http:/domain.com/images/nicepic.gif
>
>> becomes
>>
>> http://newdomain.com.au/blah/blah


I was thinking something along the lines of this
(pseudocode solution):
//retrieve each URL in the table using the select function
for each row in the DB
$url = "select column_name from table_name";

//get the length of the string (URL of the image)
	$length = strlen($url);

//use the substring function to select the part of the URL
to keep

	$part_of_url_to_keep = substr($url, $start, $length);

 	where $start is the starting point of the URL you want
to stay in the 	path to the graphic, maybe this would be
16 in this case, which would 	incude 'images/nicepic.gif'
and remove http://domain.com/


-concatenate http://newdomain/com.au to the front of
$part_of_url_to_keep:

$new_url =
"http://newdomain/com.au/".$part_of_url_to_keep;

then use the update table function to replace the URL
I am leaving out some stuff here, I guess I am assuming
you know this part, if you need help with how to use a
loop to get through all of the rows in the DB, give a
holler.

Nan







From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sat Sep 28 19:28:11 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sat Sep 28 19:28:11 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac/ie background image problem
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPIENEHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

hey all,

working on a project that'll be used exclusively by macs (thank god by only a single version of ie).  i've got one of the imacs here to use in building this site/web-based application and having some issues with the design.

for some reason unknown to me the background images defined in the stylesheet aren't showing up.  not just one or two, but all of them.  i've tried various types of references in the stylesheet including:

background-image: url('/images/tab_bg.gif');
background-image: url(/images/tab_bg.gif);
background-image: url('http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif');
background-image: url(http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif);
background-image: '/images/tab_bg.gif';
background-image: /images/tab_bg.gif;
background-image: 'http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif';
background-image: http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif;

i've even tried attaching the image to the table cell using the trusty background attribute of the <td> tag.  no luck.

i've doubled-checked that the paths are correct by requesting the image directly.  they come up fine.  all of the images are transparent gifs.  i thought maybe that was the problem so i changed the path to a jpg.  still no go.

i know it *should* work cause it works just fine on win2k/ie6.

http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/

can someone with a mac take a look and see if they see the problem and hopefully tell me what the solution is?

thanks,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From thelist at brucew.com  Sat Sep 28 19:38:00 2002
From: thelist at brucew.com (Bruce Wilbur)
Date: Sat Sep 28 19:38:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac/ie background image problem
References: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPIENEHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3D964B39.3080200@brucew.com>

.jeff wrote:
> hey all,
>
> working on a project that'll be used exclusively by macs (thank god by only a single version of ie).  i've got one of the imacs here to use in building this site/web-based application and having some issues with the design.
>
> for some reason unknown to me the background images defined in the stylesheet aren't showing up.  not just one or two, but all of them.  i've tried various types of references in the stylesheet including:
>
> background-image: url('/images/tab_bg.gif');
> background-image: url(/images/tab_bg.gif);
> background-image: url('http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif');
> background-image: url(http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif);
> background-image: '/images/tab_bg.gif';
> background-image: /images/tab_bg.gif;
> background-image: 'http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif';
> background-image: http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif;
>
> i've even tried attaching the image to the table cell using the trusty background attribute of the <td> tag.  no luck.
>
> i've doubled-checked that the paths are correct by requesting the image directly.  they come up fine.  all of the images are transparent gifs.  i thought maybe that was the problem so i changed the path to a jpg.  still no go.
>
> i know it *should* work cause it works just fine on win2k/ie6.
>
> http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/
>
> can someone with a mac take a look and see if they see the problem and hopefully tell me what the solution is?

IE/Mac is very picky about the URL references.  It requires a full quote " instead of an apostrophe.  That should do it.

Yours,
B



From lwkraemer at directvinternet.com  Sat Sep 28 20:00:01 2002
From: lwkraemer at directvinternet.com (lon.kraemer)
Date: Sat Sep 28 20:00:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac/ie background image problem
References: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPIENEHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org> <3D964B39.3080200@brucew.com>
Message-ID: <004401c26753$769d1df0$0201a8c0@yoda>

> > background-image: url('/images/tab_bg.gif');
> > i know it *should* work cause it works just fine on win2k/ie6.
> >
> > http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/
> >
> > can someone with a mac take a look and see if they see the problem
and hopefully tell me what the solution is?
>
> IE/Mac is very picky about the URL references.  It requires a full
quote " instead of an apostrophe.  That should do it.

...and (nothing to due with the prob at hand) there's a validation error
for a language attribute and the typo (0xp) in this rule.

.formHeading {
  text-align: right;
  vertical-align: top;
  padding: 5px 5px 0px 0xp;
}

To wit: a unit is unnecessary for a 0 value. padding:5px 5px 0 0; is
fine and will save a few bytes.

--
Lon Kraemer
-----------------------------------------



From ekent at code-poet.net  Sat Sep 28 20:11:01 2002
From: ekent at code-poet.net (Evan Kent)
Date: Sat Sep 28 20:11:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Expired Domain Name
Message-ID: <200209281834794.SM06376@codepoet>


Timothy J. Luoma:
======= At 2002-09-28, 16:42:00 you wrote: =======

>Kevin wrote:
>
>> I am interested in buying a certain domain name. The ownership of the domain
>> expired a few days ago, but I am unable to register it.
>>
>> Is there anything that can be done to release the domain name for
>> registration?
>
>Nope... and if it's a desirable domain, they may hold it until they get
>a really good offer for it.
>
>The system is broken.  I saw a domain listed for $6,000 the other day,
>and I know others go for even more.  So we have a bunch of domains being
>wasted by vultures just looking to make a profit on reselling them.

I don't understand why a domain being sold for 6000 dollars means the system is broken.  The price of real estate isn't regulated, so why should "virtual real estate" be regulated?

Evan Kent
ekent at code-poet.net
2002-09-28





From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sat Sep 28 20:13:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sat Sep 28 20:13:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <3D964B39.3080200@brucew.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPIENKHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

bruce,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Bruce Wilbur
>
> > http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/
>
> IE/Mac is very picky about the URL references.  It
> requires a full quote " instead of an apostrophe.  That
> should do it.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

i shoulda mentioned that i tried the following combinations with no luck:

background-image: url("/images/tab_bg.gif");
background-image: url("http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif");
background-image: "/images/tab_bg.gif";
background-image: "http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/tab_bg.gif";

to give alittle more info, this is running on osx with ie5.2.

thanks,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sat Sep 28 20:16:00 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sat Sep 28 20:16:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <004401c26753$769d1df0$0201a8c0@yoda>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPMENKHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

lon,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: lon.kraemer
>
> [...] there's a validation error for a language
> attribute [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

fixed.

the document now validates xhtml 1.0 transitional.

still doesn't work.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> [...] and the typo (0xp) in this rule.
>
> .formHeading {
>   text-align: right;
>   vertical-align: top;
>   padding: 5px 5px 0px 0xp;
> }
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

fixed.

the css now validates as well.

still doesn't work.

i've also tried declaring it in a style attribute with no luck.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> To wit: a unit is unnecessary for a 0 value.
> padding: 5px 5px 0 0; is fine and will save a few bytes.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

i'm more concerned about this working than i am about reducing the readability and saving a few bytes.

thanks,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From hblair at hotfootmail.com  Sat Sep 28 20:36:02 2002
From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair)
Date: Sat Sep 28 20:36:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPIENEHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <NBBBJJHMEOLIMKIKIOMJCEILCBAB.hblair@hotfootmail.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of .jeff
>
> i've doubled-checked that the paths are correct by requesting
> the image directly.  they come up fine.  all of the images
> are transparent gifs.  i thought maybe that was the problem
> so i changed the path to a jpg.  still no go.

jeff, although I can pull the page up and all pics are displayed
using the URL, a 'direct' connect to the "t.gif" gets a 'not found.'

Putting this in the "URL" of my IE5.5 gives me:
 "File: '/images/t.gif' Not Found
http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/t.gif

Are you sure the gif is there?

Hugh


From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sat Sep 28 20:49:02 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sat Sep 28 20:49:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <NBBBJJHMEOLIMKIKIOMJCEILCBAB.hblair@hotfootmail.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPAENNHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

hugh,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Hugh Blair
>
> jeff, although I can pull the page up and all pics are
> displayed using the URL, a 'direct' connect to the
> "t.gif" gets a 'not found.'
>
> Putting this in the "URL" of my IE5.5 gives me:
>  "File: '/images/t.gif' Not Found
> http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/images/t.gif
>
> Are you sure the gif is there?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

it's there now.  thanks for catching that one.  mac/ie5.2 problem hasn't gone away though.  i'm even doing a force-refresh and have my cache set to zero just to make sure.

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From dm at lgcy.com  Sat Sep 28 21:38:00 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Sat Sep 28 21:38:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
Message-ID: <001b01c26769$93ec5040$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

I know zero, zip, zilch about installing a server. I want to learn. Does
anyone know of a place on the web that has a step by step hand holding
tutorial concerning installing Apache onto win2k pro?  I want to be able to
use it with php as well. Any help would be appreciated.

Peace and a bagpipe,
Daniel
Feeling more like I do now than I did before
at http://www.lobowalk.com




From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sat Sep 28 21:40:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sat Sep 28 21:40:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPIENEHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPKEODHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

hey all,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: .jeff
>
> http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

ok, this is enough to officially make me despise mac/ie.  the problem went away when i commented out the doctype.  the most standards compliant browser my ass.  more standards compliant than win/ie my ass too.  who cares if it's "more" standards compliant if it means better support for the more esoteric aspects of css when it can't get simple things like this right.  i can't believe specifying a doctype, totally valid xhtml for the doctype and totally valid css would break *so* horribly.  i should *not* have to remove a doctype in something that's supposedly the king's shit in order to get something as simple as a background image for a table cell to work.  i'm almost tempted to leave the doctype in and have the design break in mac/ie for the main website as a sign of my distaste.

enough of this crap, i'm starting in on the guinness alittle early this evening -- like *now*.

ugh,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From lists at tntluoma.com  Sat Sep 28 21:43:01 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Sat Sep 28 21:43:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
References: <001b01c26769$93ec5040$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <3D96688B.2000308@tntluoma.com>

Daniel Medley wrote:
> I know zero, zip, zilch about installing a server. I want to learn. Does
> anyone know of a place on the web that has a step by step hand holding
> tutorial concerning installing Apache onto win2k pro?  I want to be able to
> use it with php as well. Any help would be appreciated.

Assuming you mean for your local machine for testing purposes, I would
recommend finding the PHP Triad, which is a ready to install version of
Apache, PHP, and MySQL.


> Peace and a bagpipe,

You can't have the former if someone nearby is playing the latter :-)

TjL


--
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                                        http://www.tntluoma.com/switch
Day 25: Opera does Plug-ins (better than the other guys) too
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From lists at tntluoma.com  Sat Sep 28 21:43:18 2002
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy J. Luoma)
Date: Sat Sep 28 21:43:18 2002
Subject: [thelist] DOM newbie tutorial
Message-ID: <3D9668B5.70306@tntluoma.com>

Ok, so I want to start playing around with the DOM.

Where should I go to start learning?

TjL

--
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                                        http://www.tntluoma.com/switch
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                        http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/day25-plugins/




From fran at wicks.ca  Sat Sep 28 21:48:01 2002
From: fran at wicks.ca (Frances Wicks)
Date: Sat Sep 28 21:48:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
In-Reply-To: <001b01c26769$93ec5040$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <BKEDKGFKLNACCGJOFFKFOEDGCEAA.fran@wicks.ca>

I found http://firepages.com.au/ the easiest with the most help.  I have
installed it on both windows ME and Windows XP with little trouble.  It is
packaged and loaded with PHP and MySql.

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Medley
Sent: September 28, 2002 10:38 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question


I know zero, zip, zilch about installing a server. I want to learn. Does
anyone know of a place on the web that has a step by step hand holding
tutorial concerning installing Apache onto win2k pro?  I want to be able to
use it with php as well. Any help would be appreciated.

Peace and a bagpipe,
Daniel
Feeling more like I do now than I did before
at http://www.lobowalk.com


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From dm at lgcy.com  Sat Sep 28 21:50:01 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Sat Sep 28 21:50:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
References: <001b01c26769$93ec5040$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw> <3D96688B.2000308@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <002001c2676b$437dba70$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

> Assuming you mean for your local machine for testing purposes, I would
> recommend finding the PHP Triad, which is a ready to install version of
> Apache, PHP, and MySQL.
Fair enough, but I run a dual boot with win2k on drive d. How do I get it to
install all the files to drive d and not c. I've spent most of the day
trying to find the answer to that one.

Thanks for your reply,
Dano




From dm at lgcy.com  Sat Sep 28 22:02:01 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Sat Sep 28 22:02:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
References: <BKEDKGFKLNACCGJOFFKFOEDGCEAA.fran@wicks.ca>
Message-ID: <002701c2676c$ee0885a0$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

> I found http://firepages.com.au/ the easiest with the most help.  I have
> installed it on both windows ME and Windows XP with little trouble.  It is
> packaged and loaded with PHP and MySql.
Believe me, I would love to try it, but it too unzips to the c drive. I need
it in the d drive. Am I missing something here? Sorry for sounding so damned
goofy.

Dan with a can of spam in my dirty hand with a plan to... hmm..




From hblair at hotfootmail.com  Sat Sep 28 22:05:01 2002
From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair)
Date: Sat Sep 28 22:05:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPKEODHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <NBBBJJHMEOLIMKIKIOMJMEIOCBAB.hblair@hotfootmail.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of .jeff
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > From: .jeff
> >
> > http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

One more note: in the "Developed by Jeff Howden & powered by..."
line, the JF link goes to a page that tells me "File Not Found
Sorry, the file you were looking for could not be located."

Thought you'd like to know. BTW, your look for this page is
SO much better than their current .com site.

Hugh



From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 28 22:11:01 2002
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Sat Sep 28 22:11:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] DOM newbie tutorial
In-Reply-To: <3D9668B5.70306@tntluoma.com>
Message-ID: <20020929031102.36782.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>

Tim,

I started here, and it was pretty good.

http://www.scottandrew.com/weblog/articles/dom_1

Tom
--- "Timothy J. Luoma" <lists at tntluoma.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, so I want to start playing around with the DOM.
>
> Where should I go to start learning?
>
> TjL
>
> --
> 30 Days to becoming an Opera Lover
>
> http://www.tntluoma.com/switch
> Day 25: Opera does Plug-ins (better than the other guys) too
>
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From lists at miinx.com.au  Sat Sep 28 22:25:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (miinx)
Date: Sat Sep 28 22:25:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
References: <BKEDKGFKLNACCGJOFFKFOEDGCEAA.fran@wicks.ca> <002701c2676c$ee0885a0$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <3D967272.7000808@miinx.com.au>

Daniel Medley wrote:
>>I found http://firepages.com.au/ the easiest with the most help.  I have
>>installed it on both windows ME and Windows XP with little trouble.  It is
>>packaged and loaded with PHP and MySql.
>
> Believe me, I would love to try it, but it too unzips to the c drive. I need
> it in the d drive. Am I missing something here? Sorry for sounding so damned
> goofy.

according to this page: http://firepages.com.au/phpdev5.htm the new
version of this pkg does that..

karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From fran at wicks.ca  Sat Sep 28 22:26:00 2002
From: fran at wicks.ca (Frances Wicks)
Date: Sat Sep 28 22:26:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
In-Reply-To: <002701c2676c$ee0885a0$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <BKEDKGFKLNACCGJOFFKFCEDICEAA.fran@wicks.ca>

Dan - There are detailed instructions in the \"phpdev FAQ\" section for
installing to D:\

HTH,  Fran

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> I found http://firepages.com.au/ the easiest with the most help.  I have
> installed it on both windows ME and Windows XP with little trouble.  It is
> packaged and loaded with PHP and MySql.
Believe me, I would love to try it, but it too unzips to the c drive. I need
it in the d drive. Am I missing something here? Sorry for sounding so damned
goofy.

Dan with a can of spam in my dirty hand with a plan to... hmm..


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From dru at zetachi.org  Sat Sep 28 22:44:01 2002
From: dru at zetachi.org (Dru and Cindy Sellers)
Date: Sat Sep 28 22:44:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] RE: javascript - changing css with javascript
Message-ID: <NFBBJAIKALLEJCGMICKIIEBKCDAA.dru@zetachi.org>

First I would like to thank .jeff and Duncan O'Neil for their help with my
problem.
However I am having a problem getting the script to work in both Mozilla and
IE. After doing some research on DOM stuff and here is my new bath of code
based on .jeff's one liner

function cssMenu(obj)
{
  document.getElementById(" + obj + ").style.display =
(document.getElementById(" + obj + ").style.display == 'none') ? 'block' :
'none';
}

however, I can not seem to find the right term to search on that explains
how to use a variable in the getElementById() function. It seems to want a
string in quotes in the () but if I just put (obj) it does not work.

Thanks for any support!!!!

Dru
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From lists at miinx.com.au  Sat Sep 28 22:54:01 2002
From: lists at miinx.com.au (miinx)
Date: Sat Sep 28 22:54:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] RE: javascript - changing css with javascript
References: <NFBBJAIKALLEJCGMICKIIEBKCDAA.dru@zetachi.org>
Message-ID: <3D967950.7040102@miinx.com.au>

Dru and Cindy Sellers wrote:
> function cssMenu(obj)
> {
>   document.getElementById(" + obj + ").style.display =
> (document.getElementById(" + obj + ").style.display == 'none') ? 'block' :
> 'none';
> }
>
> however, I can not seem to find the right term to search on that explains
> how to use a variable in the getElementById() function. It seems to want a
> string in quotes in the () but if I just put (obj) it does not work.
>

that's right - it's looking for the id of the object (as a string), not
the actual object itself.

so you need to be passing the id:
    document.getElementById(obj.id).style.display

however, if you've already got your object reference, you don't need to
be using document.getElementById at all

so just this may work in your example:
    obj.style.disply

hth
karen
-------
Miinx Design & Development
e :: karen at miinx.com.au
p :: 0413.880.302
w :: www.miinx.com.au




From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sat Sep 28 23:02:00 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sat Sep 28 23:02:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] RE: javascript - changing css with javascript
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJAIKALLEJCGMICKIIEBKCDAA.dru@zetachi.org>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPIEPCHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

dru,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Dru and Cindy Sellers
>
> function cssMenu(obj)
> {
>   document.getElementById(" + obj + ").style.display =
>  (document.getElementById(" + obj + ").style.display ==
>  'none') ? 'block' : 'none';
> }
>
> however, I can not seem to find the right term to search
> on that explains how to use a variable in the
> getElementById() function. It seems to want a string in
> quotes in the () but if I just put (obj) it does not
> work.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

lose the quotes in the function above.

document.getElementById(obj)

then, it'll all depend on how you're calling the cssMenu() function.  call it and pass a string that's the id of an object on the page you want to toggle the display of.

cssMenu('myDiv');

good luck,

.jeff

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jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sat Sep 28 23:04:00 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sat Sep 28 23:04:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <NBBBJJHMEOLIMKIKIOMJMEIOCBAB.hblair@hotfootmail.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPMEPCHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

hugh,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Hugh Blair
>
> > > http://bf-tasks.jeffhowden.com/
>
> One more note: in the "Developed by Jeff Howden &
> powered by..." line, the JF link goes to a page that
> tells me "File Not Found Sorry, the file you were
> looking for could not be located."
>
> Thought you'd like to know.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

actually, it does that by design.  but, you're the straw that broke the camel's back so i've put up a message that says there isn't anything there to look at.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> BTW, your look for this page is SO much better than
> their current .com site.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

thanks, i think so too.  now, if i could only finish it on time.  yeah right.

.jeff

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jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From joshua at waetech.com  Sat Sep 28 23:54:01 2002
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Sat Sep 28 23:54:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] CSS Tip
Message-ID: <043501c26774$083b81a0$0200a8c0@client1>

<tip type="CSS Trick" author="Joshua Olson">
This is a CSS trick to underline a header:

<h1 style="line-height: 20px; font-size: 26px; border-bottom: dotted 2px
blue; margin-top: 10px">My heading</h1>

I have not tested this cross-browser yet.
</tip>

-joshua



From framar at interlog.com  Sun Sep 29 03:47:02 2002
From: framar at interlog.com (Frank)
Date: Sun Sep 29 03:47:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Flash: Newbie Question
Message-ID: <1251673546.20020929044603@interlog.com>

Is it possible to pass variables to Flash from parameters in
the web page? As an example, if I wanted to build a menu on
the fly, could I get Flash to retrieve it from the document
that calls it? Or, as another example, could I get it to
display a string that I've output in Cold Fusion?

--
Frank Marion
Tel. 416 825 7488
framar at interlog.com
http://www.frankmarion.com





From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 29 05:09:01 2002
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Sun Sep 29 05:09:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
Message-ID: <F99G6CSZ2iiiFCYBy9A00003680@hotmail.com>


>ok, this is enough to officially make me despise mac/ie.  the problem went
>away when i commented out the doctype.

How lovely. One more example of how dangerous it is to use doctypes. Which
doctype did you use, exactly?

>the most standards compliant browser my ass.  more standards compliant
> >than win/ie my ass too.  who cares if it's "more" standards compliant >if
>it means better support for the more esoteric aspects of css when it >can't
>get simple things like this right.

Doctype switching is not simple. In fact its one of the most complicated
areas in modern web development. Browsers "show a page more standards
compliant" when you use one. Now how does one define "more standards
compliant"? Browser vendors disagree and do the strangest things when a
doctype is present.

Personally, I think doctype switching is the worst disaster to web
developers since the two DOMs of Netscape and Explorer 4.

Doctypes should have no influence at all on how a web page looks and acts.
As long as they do, I don't use doctypes and I advice everyone not to use
them, either.

<tip type="browser compatibility" author="ppk">
Never ever use doctypes. They're far more trouble than they're worth. If you
don't believe me, code a complex page with a doctype and view it in IE6,
Mozilla and IE5Mac.
You see?
</tip>

ppk

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From ldelahunty at britstream.com  Sun Sep 29 05:40:00 2002
From: ldelahunty at britstream.com (Liam Delahunty)
Date: Sun Sep 29 05:40:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Flash: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <1251673546.20020929044603@interlog.com>
Message-ID: <KIECJFDIGJOFCMFKDEKBMEJFDEAA.ldelahunty@britstream.com>

Frank wrote:

>Is it possible to pass variables to Flash from parameters in
>the web page? As an example, if I wanted to build a menu on
>the fly, could I get Flash to retrieve it from the document
>that calls it? Or, as another example, could I get it to
>display a string that I've output in Cold Fusion?

Have a look at http://www.flashkit.com/
In particular the http://www.flashkit.com/tutorials/Dynamic_Content/
section.

best,
Liam



From bertilow at gmx.net  Sun Sep 29 05:43:01 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Sun Sep 29 05:43:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
References: <F99G6CSZ2iiiFCYBy9A00003680@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D96D947.6050906@gmx.net>

Peter-Paul Koch:

> Personally, I think doctype switching is the worst disaster to web
> developers since the two DOMs of Netscape and Explorer 4.

I think you exaggerate a bit, but you're right that it's a bad thing.

> Doctypes should have no influence at all on how a web page looks and acts.

True. But unfortunately they have, and _so does a lack of a doctype_.

> As long as they do, I don't use doctypes and I advice everyone not to use
> them, either.

You've written about this before, and I find your conclusion and advice
very surprising, and wrong.

There is no escaping doctype switching. The browsers will do it, and
we'll just have to adapt. Your solution is no solution at all. When you
choose not to include a doctype, you're not "switching off doctype
switching". It's still happening.

"No doctype" will put those browsers that do doctype switching into
quirks mode. The same thing will happen for a number of actual doctypes.
Other doctypes will put them into standards mode. Etc. Choosing "no
doctype" is just one of the choices available. The switching is still
going on.

I always choose a doctype that will put the switching browsers into
standards mode. You're choosing a "doctype" (= no doctype) that always
puts them into quirks mode. Those are different choices, but the
switching is still happening.

Intentionally going for one of the choices that turns on quirks mode is
in my opinion a very bad choice. Quirks mode is just for old pages that
are they way they are and need quirks mode to work. New pages should
always be done for standards mode. There is very real possibility that
quirks mode will go away one day (along with doctypes switching) and
then some pages made for quirks mode might stop working.

The only scenario in which choosing no doctype would be the best choice,
is a scenario where browsers would drop standards mode in the future,
staying with quirks mode only. That is very unlikely.

Intentionally choosing quirks mode - like you are - means saying: I want
my pages to depend on the bugs in old browsers. The bugs however will go
away, and your pages might stop working.

> <tip type="browser compatibility" author="ppk">
> Never ever use doctypes. They're far more trouble than they're worth. If you
> don't believe me, code a complex page with a doctype and view it in IE6,
> Mozilla and IE5Mac.
> You see?
> </tip>

We can not see how pages will look in future browsers, since they have
not been made yet. But we can predict that they will be more standards
compliant than current browsers, and that some of them might only use
standards compliant mode.

You want doctype switching to go away? Well, it probably will. But then
what will happen is that quirks mode goes away. Or do you see a
possibility that Mozilla and MSIE will one day drop their standards
compliant mode and only use quirks rendering?

For advanced layouts that are sensitive to the differences between
standards mode and quirks mode, we can only adapt our code to reality
(which includes the upcoming browsers). Hiding the CSS from old browsers
helps a lot, but there is no hiding it from MSIE5 that will always be in
quirks mode. So we just have to write the code so it works in both
standards mode and quirks mode. That can be done. It takes some
knowledge and a few tricks, but it can be done - mostly. When it can't
be done, we'll just have to choose a simpler layout. Dropping the
doctype, or choosing a quirks doctype, is no solution at all. Actually
it means working against standards support in browsers. I'm quite sure
that you want more standards support, not less.

--
Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> <http://www.bertilow.com>



From saidovan at rs.uovs.ac.za  Sun Sep 29 05:48:02 2002
From: saidovan at rs.uovs.ac.za (Nedret Saidova)
Date: Sun Sep 29 05:48:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] [PHP] thumbnail creation
Message-ID: <3D96F67F.15035.57CE3B8@localhost>

Can someone direct me to a good tutorial on creating thumbanails
/ resizing images on the fly with PHP? The idea is to upload
images, save those and make a resized copy which would be say,
15% of the original size. I tried imagecopyresized(), but the canvas
of the new image was plain black...

The server on which this this app will be hosted provides GD
version 1.6.2.

Please help
Thanks

Nedret


From gozz at gozz.com  Sun Sep 29 06:40:01 2002
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Sun Sep 29 06:40:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Flash: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <1251673546.20020929044603@interlog.com>
References: <1251673546.20020929044603@interlog.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b04b9bc95047d65@[192.168.1.100]>

>Is it possible to pass variables to Flash from parameters in
>the web page? [...] Or, as another example, could I get it to
>display a string that I've output in Cold Fusion?

Yes, simple. In both the embed and object tags, put a query string on
the .swf and the variables will be available to ActionScript, just as
the variables in the query string in a URL is available to ColdFusion.

hello.swf?display=Hello%20World

will give you the same thing as

_root.display = 'Hello World'

If you've got a ton of variables or really long strings, you might
want to think of using other methods likely described in Liam's link
... or maybe better, search for "variables" in MM's Flash tech notes.
--

__________________________________________
- Erik Mattheis

(612) 377 2272
http://goZz.com/

__________________________________________


From n at industriality.com  Sun Sep 29 07:52:01 2002
From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm)
Date: Sun Sep 29 07:52:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
References: <F99G6CSZ2iiiFCYBy9A00003680@hotmail.com> <3D96D947.6050906@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <3D96F6EA.5040106@industriality.com>

On 29.Sep.02 12:43 Bertilo Wennergren wrote

[ snipped a lot of really good and apt comments ]

Hear hear. I can't see how anything but standards compliant coding is
supposed to be the way forward and I strongly disagree with the original
assumption that it is any easier to code "complex layouts" by forcing IE
into quirks mode. Au contraire, if you code to a strict Doctype, or at
least one that sends a browser into standards mode, chances are much
greater that your page will render in a similar way in both IE and
Mozilla. Remember: I said greater, not 100%.


--
/nik



From dave at stemfiction.com  Sun Sep 29 07:52:23 2002
From: dave at stemfiction.com (Dave Stevens)
Date: Sun Sep 29 07:52:23 2002
Subject: [thelist] Windows Update for IE (Poss. OT)
Message-ID: <006e01c267b6$fed44c30$43ede783@lsdas>

Hi evolters,

I have a few problems going on with IE6 on WinXP Professional. I want to
reinstall it, but the download site packages it with Outlook Express. I have
alot of mail in OE that I want to keep, will it be lost if I reinstall OE?

Thanks for your help, and just in case this is a little OT, a tip:

<tip type="An Alternative to several IFs in PHP" author="Dave Stevens">
If you are comparing the value of a variable and you want the browser to
output different things depending on the value it finds, multiple IF
statements can get messy if you have lots of options.

The switch statement is your friend :)
http://www.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.switch.php

</tip>

Dave Stevens,  www.stemfiction.com



From n at industriality.com  Sun Sep 29 07:55:00 2002
From: n at industriality.com (Nik Schramm)
Date: Sun Sep 29 07:55:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Flash: Newbie Question
References: <1251673546.20020929044603@interlog.com> <a05111b04b9bc95047d65@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <3D96F7B0.2070302@industriality.com>

On 29.Sep.02 13:38 Erik Mattheis wrote

> Yes, simple. In both the embed and object tags, put a query string on
> the .swf and the variables will be available to ActionScript, just as
> the variables in the query string in a URL is available to ColdFusion.

Note also that Flash Player 6 allows the use of a special FlashVars
attribute in both object and embed tags to achieve just this, but unlike
attaching variables to the query string of the swf there is no length
limitation. Do a search for "FlashVars" in the Flash support section of
the MM website and you can find out how to do this in detail.

Only works in Flash 6 though...
--
/nik



From dm at lgcy.com  Sun Sep 29 08:09:02 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Sun Sep 29 08:09:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Again, php. Slightly ot. I know, I know...
Message-ID: <000d01c267c1$b3bb70b0$c6ca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

Does anyone here have any experience with Foxserv?

Peace to the tenth power,
Daniel Medley
Feeling more like I do now than I did before
at http://www.lobowalk.com



From aral at aralbalkan.com  Sun Sep 29 08:52:02 2002
From: aral at aralbalkan.com (Aral Balkan)
Date: Sun Sep 29 08:52:02 2002
Subject: [thelist] Again, php. Slightly ot. I know, I know...
References: <000d01c267c1$b3bb70b0$c6ca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <050b01c267be$7b1c88f0$0207a8c0@luna>

Hi Daniel (and "Hi, List!", since I just joined up!)

Foxserv is a breeze to set up and I've found it to be a very solid
installation.

Aral :)
--
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http://www.BitsAndPixels.co.uk
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London, N1 9PR, United Kingdom.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Medley" <dm at lgcy.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: [thelist] Again, php. Slightly ot. I know, I know...


> Does anyone here have any experience with Foxserv?




From jen at avarweth.thechain.com  Sun Sep 29 09:21:01 2002
From: jen at avarweth.thechain.com (Jennifer)
Date: Sun Sep 29 09:21:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Windows Update for IE (Poss. OT)
References: <006e01c267b6$fed44c30$43ede783@lsdas>
Message-ID: <00a401c267c3$7426d1e0$b600a8c0@clarisse>

No, an update won't lose your settings. You're fine-- backups are always
good, and recommended, but your update won't hurt a thing.

Jennifer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Stevens" <dave at stemfiction.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:51 AM
Subject: [thelist] Windows Update for IE (Poss. OT)


> Hi evolters,
>
> I have a few problems going on with IE6 on WinXP Professional. I want to
> reinstall it, but the download site packages it with Outlook Express. I
have
> alot of mail in OE that I want to keep, will it be lost if I reinstall OE?
>
> Thanks for your help, and just in case this is a little OT, a tip:
>
> <tip type="An Alternative to several IFs in PHP" author="Dave Stevens">
> If you are comparing the value of a variable and you want the browser to
> output different things depending on the value it finds, multiple IF
> statements can get messy if you have lots of options.
>
> The switch statement is your friend :)
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.switch.php
>
> </tip>
>
> Dave Stevens,  www.stemfiction.com
>
> --
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of thelist go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>



From hblair at hotfootmail.com  Sun Sep 29 09:45:01 2002
From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair)
Date: Sun Sep 29 09:45:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Windows Update for IE (Poss. OT)
In-Reply-To: <006e01c267b6$fed44c30$43ede783@lsdas>
Message-ID: <NBBBJJHMEOLIMKIKIOMJKEJOCBAB.hblair@hotfootmail.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Dave Stevens
>
> I have a few problems going on with IE6 on WinXP
> Professional. I want to
> reinstall it, but the download site packages it with Outlook
> Express. I have
> alot of mail in OE that I want to keep, will it be lost if I
> reinstall OE?

Nothing will be lost. Just don't run OE after the install. Next
time you run Outlook it may ask if you want it to be your
'default' client, just say yes.

Hugh


From Gary at star-chaser.com  Sun Sep 29 10:32:01 2002
From: Gary at star-chaser.com (Gary Bland)
Date: Sun Sep 29 10:32:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
References: <BKEDKGFKLNACCGJOFFKFOEDGCEAA.fran@wicks.ca> <002701c2676c$ee0885a0$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <3D971CC4.5060809@star-chaser.com>

Daniel Medley wrote:
>>I found http://firepages.com.au/ the easiest with the most help.  I have
>>installed it on both windows ME and Windows XP with little trouble.  It is
>>packaged and loaded with PHP and MySql.
>
> Believe me, I would love to try it, but it too unzips to the c drive. I need
> it in the d drive. Am I missing something here? Sorry for sounding so damned
> goofy.


Install them yourself, it is not that hard. This site will walk you
through any way that you want to install them.

http://thickbook.com/extra/index.html?t=in

HTH
Gary



--
Gary Bland
StarChaser Web Architecture
http://star-chaser.com
Building Tomorrow's World Today



From dm at lgcy.com  Sun Sep 29 10:47:00 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Sun Sep 29 10:47:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
References: <BKEDKGFKLNACCGJOFFKFOEDGCEAA.fran@wicks.ca> <002701c2676c$ee0885a0$cbca0ed0@family5wkvnahw> <3D971CC4.5060809@star-chaser.com>
Message-ID: <001801c267d7$b6ecd880$c6ca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

The more researching that I do, the more I like this idea.
Thanks for the reply..

D.
> Install them yourself, it is not that hard. This site will walk you
> through any way that you want to install them.
>
> http://thickbook.com/extra/index.html?t=in
>
> HTH
> Gary
>
>
>
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From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Sun Sep 29 11:09:01 2002
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Sun Sep 29 11:09:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Stupid newbie question
In-Reply-To: <001801c267d7$b6ecd880$c6ca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAGELBKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

> The more researching that I do, the more I like this idea.
> Thanks for the reply..


http://www.devarticles.com/content.php?articleId=202&page=1

this might help then....


From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sun Sep 29 11:40:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sun Sep 29 11:40:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <F99G6CSZ2iiiFCYBy9A00003680@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPMEAMHGAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

ppk,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Peter-Paul Koch
>
> How lovely. One more example of how dangerous it is to
> use doctypes. Which doctype did you use, exactly?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sun Sep 29 11:42:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sun Sep 29 11:42:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <3D96D947.6050906@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPAEANHGAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

bertilo,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Bertilo Wennergren
>
> [...] There is very real possibility that quirks mode
> will go away one day (along with doctypes switching)
> and then some pages made for quirks mode might stop
> working. [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

quirks mode isn't likely to go away in our lifetimes.  there are just too many pages with useful content whose html isn't being updated that would disappear if quirks mode were to go the way of the dodo.  quirks mode is here to stay, for a long time, if not essentially forever.

.jeff

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jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Sun Sep 29 12:24:00 2002
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Sun Sep 29 12:24:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPMEAMHGAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEELDKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

> > How lovely. One more example of how dangerous it is to
> > use doctypes. Which doctype did you use, exactly?
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
> Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
>
> .jeff

did you have this as well?

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">


From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sun Sep 29 12:38:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Sun Sep 29 12:38:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAEELDKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPMEBEHGAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

tony,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Tony Crockford
>
> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
> > Transitional//EN"
> > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
> >
> did you have this as well?
>
> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
>       xml:lang="en"
>       lang="en">
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

yes, but the lang attribute was set to "en-us".  i also have <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?> in there as well.

why?

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sun Sep 29 12:58:00 2002
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sun Sep 29 12:58:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] Expiring pages
In-Reply-To: <3D95F1A3.3000501@yahoo.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c267e1$9b189fe0$4363989e@DHGQCD0J>

Obviously, server-side would be better, but you could use JavaScript's
Date object:
<http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/js/client/jsref/date.htm>
If the date is greater than your expiry date, you can then write a
simple redirect.

+++++++++++++++

Cheers Craig

F




From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Sun Sep 29 12:58:12 2002
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Sun Sep 29 12:58:12 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPMEBEHGAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAAELEKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > From: Tony Crockford
> >
> > > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
> > > Transitional//EN"
> > > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
> > >
> > did you have this as well?
> >
> > <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
> >       xml:lang="en"
> >       lang="en">
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
> yes, but the lang attribute was set to "en-us".  i also have
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?> in there as well.

>why?

I read something about incorrect URI's but yours is the one suggested as
correct, however the xml prologue might actually be the culprit (I'm not
sure why, I'm not that clever)

but the NYPL style guide has this to say about
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>

http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/xhtml/guidelines.html

<quote>
Note: many XHTML pages begin with an optional XML prologue (<?xml>) that
precedes the DOCTYPE and namespace declarations. Unfortunately, this XML
prologue causes problems in many browsers and must be omitted from NYPL
web pages.

One of the main purposes of the prologue is to specify character
encoding within your document. If you?re working on an international
site and your page will include non?ASCII characters, you can probably
get by with a simple meta tag such as:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" />

</quote>

hth

Tony



From jacborg at mac.com  Sun Sep 29 13:21:01 2002
From: jacborg at mac.com (Joseph A Borg)
Date: Sun Sep 29 13:21:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] vertical aligning a div contents with css
In-Reply-To: <3D93789F.4040304@teligens.com>
Message-ID: <1504EB76-D3D6-11D6-9AE3-000502A39AB6@mac.com>

On Thursday, September 26, 2002, at 11:14 PM, Eduardo Dominguez wrote:

> Am I missing something ?

advice to try at your own risk;-) this is how i would tackle it:

vertical-align works on a line of text not on the content block (div in
this case.)
Let me explain: if you had a line of text with inline elements of
variable height it would align the shtuff to top/center?/bottom... of
the highest inline element.
Thus if you add an empty inline element (span?) with same height of
enclosing div, you should get going. In my case I had an <img> as first
item so that helped me, then the text was enclosed in a span with
vertical align set to top/bottom.
If you need an arbitrary verical alignment, set the span's leading (line
spacing) to the best pixel value required and set vertical alignment to
top.

hope this helps. I would love  to hear of any problems with the above
kludge/reasoning.



From bertilow at gmx.net  Sun Sep 29 13:55:01 2002
From: bertilow at gmx.net (Bertilo Wennergren)
Date: Sun Sep 29 13:55:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
References: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPAEANHGAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3D974CCD.3020409@gmx.net>

.jeff:

>> From: Bertilo Wennergren
>>
>> [...] There is very real possibility that quirks mode
>> will go away one day (along with doctypes switching)
>> and then some pages made for quirks mode might stop
>> working. [...]

> quirks mode isn't likely to go away in our lifetimes.
>  there are just too many pages with useful content whose
> html isn't being updated that would disappear if quirks
> mode were to go the way of the dodo.  quirks mode is here
> to stay, for a long time, if not essentially forever.

Maybe you're right. But we would want it to go away, wouldn't we?
We want things to work according to standards, not according to bugs.

And, if we want _doctype switching_ to go away, like Peter-Paul wants,
we'd better not add to the mountain of pages that depend on quirks mode
rendering.

The only reason we have this doctype switching, and these two (or even
three) rendering modes, is the huge amount of old (and not so old) pages
that would break if browsers would do everything according to standards.
Browser makers did not dare to just start supporting standards. They
instead invented doctype switching.

I think we all hope that one day browser makers will find that they can
do everything the standard way, and thus drop quirks mode. Maybe it
won't happen, and if we keep on creating pages that only work in quirks
mode, with doctypes (or a lack of a doctype) that make browsers switch
into quirks mode, then that day may never come, or will come a lot later.

Thus, actively choosing to use no doctype does not contribute to
removing doctype switching. It helps conserve the state of affairs. It
helps keep doctype switching alive.

That's why I find Peter-Pauls idea so paradoxial. He doesn't like
doctype switching, but recommends helping keep it alive.

--
Bertilo Wennergren <bertilow at gmx.net> <http://www.bertilow.com>



From jacborg at mac.com  Sun Sep 29 14:31:01 2002
From: jacborg at mac.com (Joseph A Borg)
Date: Sun Sep 29 14:31:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPIENKHFAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <FA98A64E-D3DF-11D6-9AE3-000502A39AB6@mac.com>

On Sunday, September 29, 2002, at 03:15 AM, .jeff wrote:

> background-image: url("/images/tab_bg.gif");

I am using this css:
	background: #fff url(pix/bar.png) no-repeat center top;

and it works fine in IE 5.2 on OSX

the doctype is
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
	"http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-chtml1-20000126/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

XHTML 1.0 Transitional is working as well...

hope this helps.



From dan at danromanchik.com  Sun Sep 29 14:32:01 2002
From: dan at danromanchik.com (Dan Romanchik)
Date: Sun Sep 29 14:32:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] php or perl/cgi?
References: <000901c2669f$0172d010$4fca0ed0@family5wkvnahw> <20020928083653.GA21867@us-lot.org>
Message-ID: <01de01c267ee$d16cefd0$c27ba8c0@D9J77B01>

I'm not so sure that perl is all that much more available anymore. Having
said that, if you've never done a lot of programming, especially on Unix
systems, and if you're primarily going to be doing Web stuff, then PHP is
definitely the way to go.

Dan
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Romanchik - Web Developer
dan at danromanchik.com, 734-930-6564


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Dorward" <evolt at david.us-lot.org>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] php or perl/cgi?


> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 08:27:41PM -0700, Daniel Medley wrote:
> > I'm wanting to expand myself a bit more now, this newbie says. Anyway,
this
> > may sound like a completely silly question so bear with me. I want to
begin
> > learning some server side stuff. Should I begin with something like php
or,
> > instead, perl? Or is the comparison moot?
>
> It depends what you want to do.
>
> Perl is
> * More mature
> * More available
> * Less focused on the web
>
> PHP is
> * Easier to dive in to
>
> I've sure other people can give good rasons for using either.
>
>
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From beau at members.evolt.org  Sun Sep 29 14:52:01 2002
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Sun Sep 29 14:52:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] [SOLVED] mac/ie background image problem
In-Reply-To: <BKEKIFEABABEKPANNEHPMEAMHGAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c267f1$a4f564c0$cd71fea9@Cube>

> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

Hey Jeff,

I ran into the same problem that you did when I designing my site. Mac
IE 5 will display the background image if you include that DOCTYPE, and
if you use double quotes (") in your css, like:

background-image: url("/images/tab_bg.gif");

You have to quit the browser and re-open it between tests.

If you get rid of the DOCTYPE, you're free to use single quotes (').

I know you've solved the problem, but I hope this makes it clear exactly
what the problem was.

HTH,

Beau




From dm at lgcy.com  Sun Sep 29 16:51:01 2002
From: dm at lgcy.com (Daniel Medley)
Date: Sun Sep 29 16:51:01 2002
Subject: [thelist] Not as stupid as before.
References: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAGELBKCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000401c2680a$9d0b99a0$91ca0ed0@family5wkvnahw>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Crockford" <tonyc at boldfish.co.uk>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Stupid newbie question


>
> > The more researching that I do, the more I like this idea.
> > Thanks for the reply..
>
>
> http://www.devarticles.com/content.php?articleId=202&page=1
>
> this might help then....

Oy, it did help. Thanks for the link. I'm thinking that, in the long run, it
is probably better to install the apache server on win2k as per the link
above than to do the foxserv or phptriad approach. Now that it's done, I'm
heading over to php.net to start learning.

Again, thanks.

Daniel Medley




From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Sun Sep 29 19:21:00 2002
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Sun Sep 29 19:21:00 2002
Subject: [thelist] validation and .swf
Message-ID: <000001c26818$5c302c80$45ac0842@hal>

What's the deal with page validation and embedded .swfs? Is there
DTD/markup combination that will validate?

Cheers,

 t.

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