All you need to know is at the latest list apart story http://www.alistapart.com/stories/flashsatay/ Read it carefully - your current valid object solution fails in all mac / NN browsers, I think. At 3:39 pm +0000 25/11/02, Tony Crockford wrote: >Help! > >This Flash game, shows the loading screen but doesn't validate because >of the way embed is being used (suggested by the flash designer) >http://www.torbytes.co.uk/games/game.htm > >This Flash game (the same one) >http://www.torbytes.co.uk/games/gamev.htm > >Validates (using Object) but doesn't show the download indicator. > >Any ideas what I can do to get a valid page that shows the downloading >screens of the flash game? >