Hi, > top position is horrible: different in IE and > Mozilla/netscape > > http://www.sbanetwork.org/default2.asp > > #navcontainer { > margin-top: -15px; > border-top: 1px; > } > Maybe you should try something else than a negative margin - for example just try to set the top value instead. There's a "warning" at W3C; "Negative values for margin properties are allowed, but there may be implementation-specific limits." http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-CSS21-20040225/box.html#margin-properties Regards, /Elin, http://artopod.com