thelist, I am having a problem with rounded borders using the background-image method in IE on Windows. I'm really not sure what the problem is, but I think I have it narrowed down to *where* the problem is. See a simplified template here: http://mwarden.f2o.org/test/navproblem.htm As you can see, on IE, the right and left border extends further than it should. At first I thought it might be a default z-index difference in IE, but adding a border to UL id'd as "navlist" gets rid of this extension: http://mwarden.f2o.org/test/navproblem_border.htm which really doesn't make any sense to me. The CSS can be found here: http://mwarden.f2o.org/test/simplifiedstyle.css Any ideas? Thanks, -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.