The bare bones version works the same in both, but this version doesn't display the secondary menu in IE 7 http://www.goldenstateoutdoorsman.com/gso/index2.asp I've twiddled and tweaked and nothing seems to make nothing happen. I can't see what's breaking it. Secondarily, even in FF the secondary menu pops over the main menu item, instead of below it. My guess is I'm missing something conceptual about floats or display or Area 51 maybe. Thoughts? joel -- Joel D Canfield Book at BizBa6.com 916.771.9297 office 916.765.1712 cell http://BizBa6.com/ <http://bizba6.com/>