Hullo! Has everyone else read the Bastard Operator From Hell journals? I just discovered them today when I got sidetracked looking up the yahoo.com listing advice at sitepointforums.com CDitty recommended to the list. I never found the yahoo.com stuff, but this was priceless: http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard.html Highlight for me, so far, was the 'flick the power switch 30 times' episode. I'm a bit scared by the copyright stuff, so won't paste anything. Highly recommended. Andrew -- Andrew Forsberg --- uberNET - http://uber.net.nz/ the pander - http://thepander.co.nz/