I feel like I owe a tip for that last rant... too bad I'm fresh out. I really like this argument, Martin. (ooh new ammo for my PTA battle... *rubs hands together...*) Erika +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Martin wrote: Good reading: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0333901649/ George Monbiot makes the point that you can't blame the corporations for trying. You *can* blame public services for letting them get away with it. Cheers Martin --