[thelist] License to surf!

Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:58:36 -0500

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Naw.  Primarily I was just commenting on the proximity of the two
philosophies.  See my next missile .....  Excuse me! ... missive. :)

I haven't read the article by Cailliau.  I *would* be opposed to any
international attempt to regulate the internet; especially if it entailed
payment of licensing fees and the collection of any data other than a name
and the fact that the license had been granted.  In fact, the "name" could
be replaced by "bearer" as far as I'm concerned.  People new to the net are,
as you put it, "more of a "danger" to themselves than to anyone else."  My
goal would be to educate - not dominate the world.

					- fleet -

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aylard James J [mailto:jaylard@equilon.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 2:24 PM
> To: 'thelist@lists.evolt.org'
> Subject: RE: [thelist] License to surf!
> 
> 
> Fleet,
> 
> 	I guess that your comments are directed to me, since I 
> posted the
> paragraph that you excerpted. I do equate registration with 
> regulation, and
> in most cases agree to the regulation when I register, such 
> as in the case
> of Evolt. Evolt's regulation is quite benign, IMO.
> 	I have no illusions, however, that governmental 
> regulation would be
> so benevolent, especially if it were conducted by some international
> bureaucracy, which is essentially what Cailliau suggests. And 
> it seems naive
> to believe that such regulation would not extend beyond registration.
> 	Also, I think it a bit arrogant to seriously argue that 
> newbies need
> to be certified before being given access to the Internet. We were all
> newbies once, and newbies are usually more of a "danger" to 
> themselves than
> to anyone else. If someone wants to take a web-training class 
> or offer a
> web-training class for newbies, more power to them. Just 
> don't mandate it by
> law under the guise of making the Net safe for civilization.
> 
> James Aylard
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teachout, Phlete [mailto:TeachoutPR@webfld.navy.mil]
> Sent: November 30, 1999 10:45 AM
> To: 'thelist@lists.evolt.org'
> Subject: [thelist] License to surf!
> 
> 
> From the article: 
> >How can someone as intelligent as Cailliau 
> >obviously is argue that on one hand everything and everyone 
> on the Net
> >should be registered, but on the other that only the most egregious
> behavior >should be regulated? This convoluted thinking is 
> the bastard child
> of >Cailliau's bureaucratic Europe. Registration is regulation. And
> regulation >is the life-breath of bureaucrats (taxation, its 
> twin, being
> their life->blood). 
> And two paras down on the page - 
> >Everyone also has the option to comment on stories that 
> >others have posted, when they have logged in. "  
> And you need to REGISTER in order to log in. 
> Actually, I have often bemoaned the fact that "unlicensed" 
> individuals can
> access the internet - it's like allowing unlicensed drivers 
> on the highway.
> I suspect Cailliau's desire was (as would be mine) to provide 
> the "newbies"
> with some very basic information.  (Actually, I volunteer to teach
> "internet" at a local senior center.  I've often considered 
> giving out a
> "license" as a form of diploma/certificate - just never got 
> around to making
> the things up!)
>                                                 - fleet -  
> > -----Original Message----- 
>   
> > License to surf? 
> > http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&catid=1&cid=599 
> > 
> 
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Naw.&nbsp; Primarily I was just commenting on the =
proximity of the two philosophies.&nbsp; See my next missile =
.....&nbsp; Excuse me! ... missive. :)

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I haven't read the article by Cailliau.&nbsp; I =
*would* be opposed to any international attempt to regulate the =
internet; especially if it entailed payment of licensing fees and the =
collection of any data other than a name and the fact that the license =
had been granted.&nbsp; In fact, the &quot;name&quot; could be replaced =
by &quot;bearer&quot; as far as I'm concerned.&nbsp; People new to the =
net are, as you put it, &quot;more of a &quot;danger&quot; to =
themselves than to anyone else.&quot;&nbsp; My goal would be to educate =
- not dominate the world.</FONT></P>

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&gt; -----Original Message-----
 &gt; From: Aylard James J [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:jaylard@equilon.com">mailto:jaylard@equilon.com</A>]</FON=
T>
 &gt; Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 2:24 PM
 &gt; To: 'thelist@lists.evolt.org'
 &gt; Subject: RE: [thelist] License to surf!
 &gt; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; Fleet,
 &gt; 
 &gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess that =
your comments are directed to me, since I 
 &gt; posted the
 &gt; paragraph that you excerpted. I do equate =
registration with 
 &gt; regulation, and
 &gt; in most cases agree to the regulation when I =
register, such 
 &gt; as in the case
 &gt; of Evolt. Evolt's regulation is quite benign, =
IMO.
 &gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have no =
illusions, however, that governmental 
 &gt; regulation would be
 &gt; so benevolent, especially if it were conducted =
by some international
 &gt; bureaucracy, which is essentially what Cailliau =
suggests. And 
 &gt; it seems naive
 &gt; to believe that such regulation would not =
extend beyond registration.
 &gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Also, I think it =
a bit arrogant to seriously argue that 
 &gt; newbies need
 &gt; to be certified before being given access to =
the Internet. We were all
 &gt; newbies once, and newbies are usually more of a =
&quot;danger&quot; to 
 &gt; themselves than
 &gt; to anyone else. If someone wants to take a =
web-training class 
 &gt; or offer a
 &gt; web-training class for newbies, more power to =
them. Just 
 &gt; don't mandate it by
 &gt; law under the guise of making the Net safe for =
civilization.
 &gt; 
 &gt; James Aylard
 &gt; 
 &gt; -----Original Message-----
 &gt; From: Teachout, Phlete [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:TeachoutPR@webfld.navy.mil">mailto:TeachoutPR@webfld.navy=
.mil</A>]
 &gt; Sent: November 30, 1999 10:45 AM
 &gt; To: 'thelist@lists.evolt.org'
 &gt; Subject: [thelist] License to surf!
 &gt; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; From the article: 
 &gt; &gt;How can someone as intelligent as Cailliau =

 &gt; &gt;obviously is argue that on one hand =
everything and everyone 
 &gt; on the Net
 &gt; &gt;should be registered, but on the other that =
only the most egregious
 &gt; behavior &gt;should be regulated? This =
convoluted thinking is 
 &gt; the bastard child
 &gt; of &gt;Cailliau's bureaucratic Europe. =
Registration is regulation. And
 &gt; regulation &gt;is the life-breath of =
bureaucrats (taxation, its 
 &gt; twin, being
 &gt; their life-&gt;blood). 
 &gt; And two paras down on the page - 
 &gt; &gt;Everyone also has the option to comment on =
stories that 
 &gt; &gt;others have posted, when they have logged =
in. &quot;&nbsp; 
 &gt; And you need to REGISTER in order to log in. =

 &gt; Actually, I have often bemoaned the fact that =
&quot;unlicensed&quot; 
 &gt; individuals can
 &gt; access the internet - it's like allowing =
unlicensed drivers 
 &gt; on the highway.
 &gt; I suspect Cailliau's desire was (as would be =
mine) to provide 
 &gt; the &quot;newbies&quot;
 &gt; with some very basic information.&nbsp; =
(Actually, I volunteer to teach
 &gt; &quot;internet&quot; at a local senior =
center.&nbsp; I've often considered 
 &gt; giving out a
 &gt; &quot;license&quot; as a form of =
diploma/certificate - just never got 
 &gt; around to making
 &gt; the things up!)
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; - fleet -&nbsp; 
 &gt; &gt; -----Original Message----- 
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 &gt; &gt; License to surf? 
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 &gt; &gt; 
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