Hi John and Peter We're also in a similar position to you. At the moment we're using NTwebhost for our hosting, and to be honest we need something a bit more. Of course our major problems are similar to John's, we can't afford too much more and we're also lacking in server admin skills. If people are thinking of starting up some sort of collective, which should allow us to address these issues, then we would be very interested in hearing more. There was a posting on some UK newsgroups recently about a group looking to start up a server collective http://www.londo.freeuk.com/crosswired . Although they were going to allow people to host online game servers on it which didn't appeal to us. However they had found some very cheap bandwidth and rack space. http://www.caladan.co.uk/ Norman btw - does anyone know if there are any UK specific webdesign/production mailing lists? > Anyone think there could be any mileage in a few of us UK based developers joining forces > and getting something half decent?