http://www.vidmandesign.com/odysseyhouse/menu3.html I didn't have any problems with IE5 Mac. J David Eisenberg has a series in A List Apart called "DOM Tricks" which shows how to create similar effects in IE5/Mozilla. Not the same, similar. A list of back articles is here: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/index.html My approach to these things is, when I get to this point, to ask myself if the effect is really worth the headache and/or cross-platform issues. Often I say 'no' but You may say 'yes.' Good luck with it. Erika >Hmm.. i have one mac person with IE5 that was fine and another that >stuffed up! *sigh* > >Oh for consistancy...*sigh* > >vid > >PS- So far no one has a fix for NN6... any takers? >Free design/work/help for anyone who has a cure! erika at seastorm.com http://www.seastorm.com