I remember a few months back there was a thread about a site... I think it was called 'surf australia' ...in which the client insisted on flash-generated surf-like sound effects. And the 'crashing waves' sounded a bit like gunshots. I happened to find this site: http://www.surfnf.com/ as it was the featured 'daily sucker' at websitesthatsuck.com. I actually kind of like the site. The interface is more exploration-oriented than task- or goal-oriented... But it also includes surf-sounds-as-backdrop. I kind of like it. Erika <tip> http://www.websitesthatsuck.com -- it is still being updated. </tip> erika at seastorm.com http://www.seastorm.com