[thelist] Flash 4 Tutorials (PC)

furious furious at onebox.com
Mon Dec 18 12:59:52 CST 2000


hi, i'm having difficulty learning Flash 4, particularlly the timeline
and how to manipulate. are there any suggestions for lessons other than
those included with the program, such as web-based, or a good cheap book?
your input is appreciated

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>   5. [OT] Joining two PDF documents (Gustavo Arizpe)
>   6. Do I be nice or attack with legal? (Herzog, Ari)
>   7. Re: MySQL (Andrew Baio)
>   8. Re: [OT] Joining two PDF documents (Seb Barre)
>   9. Re: Do I be nice or attack with legal? (M. Hannan)
>   10. Site transfer - Hosted on a mac - going on Linux -HELP! (Stef)
>   11. Re: MySQL (rudy)
>   12. Re: [OT] Joining two PDF documents (aardvark)
>   13. Re: New Year Resolution Take 2 (the head lemur)
>   14. RE: Do I be nice or attack with legal? (Herzog, Ari)
>   15. RE: Do I be nice or attack with legal? (Joe Crawford)
>   16. Re: Common Fonts (Jacob Stetser)
>   17. RE: Do I be nice or attack with legal? (aphelan (Andrea Phelan))
>   18. RE: Do I be nice or attack with legal? (A. Erickson)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Felix Tiaka" <felix at tiaka.com>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] New Year Resolution
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:17:36 -0600
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M. Hannan <desmoljones at hotmail.com>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [thelist] New Year Resolution
> 
> 
> > Oooh, you might wish you hadn't said that....this is like asking
> "what
> kind
> > of car should I buy" at a car show...or asking a group of college
> students
> > "who's the best band".  Much blood has been shed, 'which Linux distro'
> is
> > the flame topic of the century, i think it even beats out Mac vs
> Windows.
> >
> > This being said, were you to search for the "easiest" distro for
> a newbie,
> I
> > think that the two examples you gave would come out on top.
> > My personal choice is TurboLinux but Red Hat seems to be the (and
> I hate
> to
> > say this) 'favored child' at the moment.
> >
> > Why not try one of each?
> 
> I agree. Though my friend, who is very smart and such, prefers Mandrake
> by a
> large, large margin. I use it now and then, try Mandrake and then the
> others.
> 
> <sheilds from thrown objects>
> 
> >
> > m@
> >
> >
> > >My Name is alan and I use Microsoft.
> > >
> > >My new year's resolution is to move to Linux.
> > >
> > >So the questions are:
> > >OS - Red Hat or Turbo Linux?
> > >Server - Red Hat or Turbo Linux?
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:20:05 +0000
> From: Katherine Spice <k.spice at acu.ac.uk>
> Organization: ACU
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] New Year Resolution
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> the head lemur wrote:
> > 
> > My Name is alan and I use Microsoft.
> 
> give yourself a pat on the back - admitting you need help is the first
> step ;-)
>  
> > My new year's resolution is to move to Linux.
> > 
> > So the questions are:
> > OS - Red Hat or Turbo Linux?
> > Server - Red Hat or Turbo Linux?
> 
> OS - The newest version of RedHat has a great installer - really helpful
> if you're a newbie (but no so cotton wool wrapped that you lose
> flexibility). One point to note though with RH is that by default it
> leaves lots of services enabled (eg sendmail), which, especially if
> you're not using them, presents a security risk. The problem can be
> solved by deciding what you need + then turning everything else off.
> I've heard the best distribution for not leaving security holes is
> FreeBSD, but I'm 'fraid I can't comment on Turbo Linux - I've never
> used
> it. I did have a horrible experience with Mandrake recently - I wouldn't
> recommend it!
> 
> Server - go with Apache 60% of websites do! The version which comes
> with
> the RH distribution works just fine (1.3.X) - I'm not sure I'd recommend
> going with the latest (2.something alpha) - I've yet to hear any opinion
> on it.
> 
> > Please help in my recovery!!
> 
> hope that i have!
> Katherine
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> Message: 3
> From: "Lauri Vain" <optima at hot.ee>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:04:10 +0200
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> Subject: [thelist] MySQL
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> 
> Hello,
> I need to select some rows from MySQL database with each row having
> a unique
> value in the column 'aeg'.
> 
> How can I do this?
> 
> Yours,
> Lauri
> --
> Not an expert with SQL db's yet :-(
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> From: <martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com>
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:52:55 +0000
> Subject: Re: [thelist] New Year Resolution
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
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> 
> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers
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> For a newbie, looking for an easy install & use ride on the
> desktop, may I humbly suggest Caldera and Corel?
> 
> Cheers
> Martin
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> 
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> 
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> Subject:  Re: [thelist] New Year Resolution
> 
> 
> 
> Oooh, you might wish you hadn't said that....this is like asking "what
> kind
> of car should I buy" at a car show...or asking a group of college students
> "who's the best band".  Much blood has been shed, 'which Linux distro'
> is
> the flame topic of the century, i think it even beats out Mac vs Windows.
> 
> This being said, were you to search for the "easiest" distro for a
> newbie, I
> think that the two examples you gave would come out on top.
> My personal choice is TurboLinux but Red Hat seems to be the (and I
> hate to
> say this) 'favored child' at the moment.
> 
> Why not try one of each?
> 
> m@
> 
> 
> >My Name is alan and I use Microsoft.
> >
> >My new year's resolution is to move to Linux.
> >
> >So the questions are:
> >OS - Red Hat or Turbo Linux?
> >Server - Red Hat or Turbo Linux?
> 
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> Message: 5
> Reply-To: "Gustavo Arizpe" <garizpe at network.com.mx>
> From: "Gustavo Arizpe" <garizpe at network.com.mx>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:19:36 -0600
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> Subject: [thelist] [OT] Joining two PDF documents
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> I have two PDF documents generated from different sources. How can
> I join
> them together in a single PDF file? I have Acrobat 3.
> Thanks,
> 
> Gustavo
> 
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> Message: 6
> From: "Herzog, Ari" <Ari_Herzog at Instron.com>
> To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:36:35 -0500
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Subject: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> Hi all. It has been discovered several months ago that one of our
> competitors is using
> our patented company name in their keywords, as well as using misspellings
> of our name as well.
> Clearly, this is against the law for search engines.
> 
> My boss is under the impression I, being webmaster, should email their
> webmaster
> and their ISP about it. I feel we should have our corporate attorneys
> send
> them
> a certified letter.
> 
> Which to do?
> 
> 
> FWIW, we just got a legal letter from THEM about changing something
> on our
> site as well.
> 
> Thx,
> Ari
> 
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> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:36:16 -0800
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> From: Andrew Baio <andy at kickmedia.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] MySQL
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> At 08:04 AM 12/18/00, you wrote:
> >I need to select some rows from MySQL database with each row having
> a unique
> >value in the column 'aeg'.
> 
>       Use the DISTINCT keyword, like so:
> 
>       "SELECT DISTINCT aeg FROM tablename;"
> 
>                                    -- Andy.
> 
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:34:12 -0500
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> From: Seb Barre <sebastien at oven.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] [OT] Joining two PDF documents
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> At 10:19 AM 12/18/2000 -0600, you wrote:
> >I have two PDF documents generated from different sources. How can
> I join
> >them together in a single PDF file? I have Acrobat 3.
> >Thanks,
> 
> A stapler?  ;-)
> 
> Sorry, hehe..
> 
> Load up your first document and position your cursor on the last page
> (or 
> the page before where you want to insert), the from the "Document"
> menu, 
> choose "Insert Pages" and select your other PDF document and it should
> 
> insert the contents into your other document..
> 
> 
> --- -- -
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> Message: 9
> Reply-To: webmaster at 9lupine.com
> From: "M. Hannan" <desmoljones at hotmail.com>
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:47:21 -0000
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> Have your legal dept. (or lawyer) prepare a cease and desist letter.
>  
> There's precedent for this:
> 
> http://www.gtlaw.com.au/pubs/metatags.html
> 
> m@
> 
> 
> >From: "Herzog, Ari" <Ari_Herzog at Instron.com>
> >Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> >To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> >Subject: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:36:35 -0500
> >
> >Hi all. It has been discovered several months ago that one of our
> >competitors is using
> >our patented company name in their keywords, as well as using misspellings
> >of our name as well.
> >Clearly, this is against the law for search engines.
> >
> >My boss is under the impression I, being webmaster, should email their
> >webmaster
> >and their ISP about it. I feel we should have our corporate attorneys
> send
> >them
> >a certified letter.
> >
> >Which to do?
> >
> >
> >FWIW, we just got a legal letter from THEM about changing something
> on our
> >site as well.
> >
> >Thx,
> >Ari
> >
> >---------------------------------------
> >For unsubscribe and other options, including
> >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:06:55 -0500
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> From: Stef <taz at hy.cgocable.ca>
> Subject: [thelist] Site transfer - Hosted on a mac - going on Linux
> -HELP!
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
>   Hi dudes (& dudettes) ! :o)
> 
> 
> 	Ok. I have a customer that would like his site transfered from
> a mac 
> server   & File-MakerPro DB to . . . a linux+appache+mysql setup.
> His site is on a MAC server, & is connected to filemaker pro database.
> 	
> Now. This is my first site transfer & would be interested in hearing
> from 
> others experience, for any details I could miss out on. Any help /
> comment 
> welcomed, onlist or offlist. I don t have many details as of yet on
> the 
> site itself, what are the scripting languages for a Mac environnement?!?
> Would it be easier to just keep the site in a MAC environnement?
> 	
> I figure if I stay in Mac environnement, I  basically just have to
> change 
> the links, database configuration on the dynamic pages,  pop a redirection
> 
> script on the old host and bingo. 1 days work ? Maybe 2 , if we account
> for 
> Murphy's law?
> 
> If, on the other hand we go for the mac to linux option,  I guess THAT
> 
> means re-writing the links in the static pages, re-create DB on mysql
> & 
> update dynamic page configuration. A little more work, but the site
> would 
> be in a PhP/MySql environment, like he desirer.
> I'm interested in keeping this customer, & would like to lay out both
> 
> options clearly, the work involved, with pricing fees included for
> both 
> solutions, if possible. I love a challenge but wouldn t want to tackle
> 
> something too big for me. Thanks  again, fellow E-Voltians.
> 
> Offline/online help/comments welcomed. stef at cfusions.com
> 
> <tip>
> I read an article that changed my way of writing tables. People often
> 
> design tables the way they write: horizontally, from top to bottom.
> Often 
> times your layout can be simplified a great deal by thinking 'vertically',
> 
> and giving your vertical cells fixed width. You still have to follow
> the 
> rules for cross-browser consistancy but.. having a simpler design makes
> 
> this process a LOT easier.
> </tip>
> 
> 	
> 
> 
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> Message: 11
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> Cc: thelist at lists.evolt.org, thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] MySQL
> From: rudy <Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca>
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:21:06 -0500
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> > I need to select some rows from MySQL database 
> > with each row having a unique value in the column 'aeg'.
> 
> hi lauri
> 
> sorry, this is not enough to go on, but i'll make a few guesses...
> 
> i shall assume the table contains multiple rows for each value of the
> aeg 
> column, and that there's at least one other column, let's call it foo
> 
>    AEG   FOO
>     1     aa
>     1     bb
>     2     xx
>     3     mm
>     3     pp
>     3     rr
> 
> are you saying you only want one row for each distinct value of aeg?
> 
> 
> if you do not need the foo column, then here's the easiest way --
> 
>    SELECT DISTINCT aeg FROM yourTable
> 
> this will return one row per distinct aeg value
> 
> if you also need the foo column, and you only want one row per distinct
> 
> aeg value, and you don't care which value of foo you get, you can use
> 
>      SELECT aeg, MIN(foo)  FROM yourTable
>         GROUP BY aeg
> 
> this gives exactly one row per distinct value of aeg, along with the
> 
> lowest value of the foo column for that aeg value
> 
> you can also use MAX(foo), AVG(foo), COUNT(*), and a bunch of other
> 
> functions, including some that appear to be mysql extensions to standard
> 
> sql -- see 
> http://www.mysql.com/documentation/mysql/commented/manual.php?section=Group_by_functions
> 
> 
> how were my guesses?
> 
> rudy.ca
> 
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> 
> Message: 12
> From: "aardvark" <roselli at earthlink.net>
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:15:52 -0500
> Subject: Re: [thelist] [OT] Joining two PDF documents
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> > From: "Gustavo Arizpe" <garizpe at network.com.mx>
> >
> > I have two PDF documents generated from different sources. How can
> I join
> > them together in a single PDF file? I have Acrobat 3.
> 
> hmmm... i have 4.0, so dunno if this will work exactly...
> 
> i open the PDF i want to add to, and then drag the PDF i want to 
> add into the window... Acrobat then prompts me for where i want to
> 
> put it...
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:31:57 -0700
> From: "the head lemur" <headlemur at qwest.net>
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] New Year Resolution Take 2
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > My Name is alan and I use Microsoft.
> >
> > My new year's resolution is to move to Linux.
> >
> > So the questions are:
> > OS - Red Hat or Turbo Linux?
> 
> 
> Yep I will be using Apache for a server. I full well intend on hosting
> my
> client websites right next to my desk.
> 
> (large rambling fulminating rant about virtual hosting and support
> departments including the hours and hours of your'e on hold time-
> deleted for brevity and family members)
> 
> (equally large vituperous rant about #%(&)*_())_)_(_ phone companies
> and
> connection companies having sales departments that never talk to the
> techs,
> Promise the moon, deliver green cheese-
> deleted for reason above :0)
> 
> and then i will need to learn to build form handlers, mailservers,
> listservers, and the rest of the toys..
> 
> the good news is that i will have support right here
> 
> the head lemur-alan herrell
> http://www.lemurzone.com
> Member Evolt.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 14
> From: "Herzog, Ari" <Ari_Herzog at Instron.com>
> To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:29:53 -0500
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> I quote my manager's response after sending an email
> about why we should not be nice about it:
> 
> "It is better to start the nice  (low cost way) and then escalate only
> if
> necessary.
> I would rather spend the money on content than on lawyers. It would
> serve us
> better
> to have them first banned from certain search engines than for them
> to
> withdraw
> under legal pressure. Starting with legal threats will likely only
> harden
> their position."
> 
> 
> You see what I am up against?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M. Hannan [mailto:desmoljones at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:47 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> 
> 
> Have your legal dept. (or lawyer) prepare a cease and desist letter.
>  
> There's precedent for this:
> 
> http://www.gtlaw.com.au/pubs/metatags.html
> 
> m@
> 
> 
> >From: "Herzog, Ari" <Ari_Herzog at Instron.com>
> >Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> >To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> >Subject: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:36:35 -0500
> >
> >Hi all. It has been discovered several months ago that one of our
> >competitors is using
> >our patented company name in their keywords, as well as using misspellings
> >of our name as well.
> >Clearly, this is against the law for search engines.
> >
> >My boss is under the impression I, being webmaster, should email their
> >webmaster
> >and their ISP about it. I feel we should have our corporate attorneys
> send
> >them
> >a certified letter.
> >
> >Which to do?
> >
> >
> >FWIW, we just got a legal letter from THEM about changing something
> on our
> >site as well.
> >
> >Thx,
> >Ari
> >
> >---------------------------------------
> >For unsubscribe and other options, including
> >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:45:52 -0500 (EST)
> From: Joe Crawford <artlung at artlung.com>
> To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> Organization: http://www.artlung.com/
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Herzog, Ari wrote:
> 
> > I quote my manager's response after sending an email
> > about why we should not be nice about it:
> > 
> > "It is better to start the nice (low cost way) and then escalate
> only
> > if necessary. I would rather spend the money on content than on
> > lawyers. It would serve us better to have them first banned from
> > certain search engines than for them to withdraw under legal pressure.
> > Starting with legal threats will likely only harden their position."
> > 
> > 
> > You see what I am up against?
> 
> > >FWIW, we just got a legal letter from THEM about changing something
> on our
> > >site as well.
> 
> Well - someone's dealing with this last bit, yes? Whoever is handling
> that
> (inhouse legal, an attorney on retainer, whatever) needs to know about
> this issue. I'm no lawyer, but I understand the concept of leverage.
> If
> they have a legal letter to you, your lawyer might remind the other
> company that we have claims as well - and it would do everyone well
> to
> come to an agreement.
> 
> 	- Joe>
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe at artlung.com>
>  * I am a Web Designer and Developer;
>  * Find out about me at : http://www.ArtLung.com
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> 
> Message: 16
> <p04330104b663d1de7849@[128.148.108.209]>
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:47:44 -0500
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> From: Jacob Stetser <lists at icongarden.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Common Fonts
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> For the love of God and all that is readable, please do not use Arial
> 
> if you wish your site to be usable on Macs. (I've said this before
> 
> but I bring it up again because it bears repeating). Any Mac that has
> 
> Arial installed also has Verdana, so you can safely use Verdana 
> instead.
> 
> Why not use Arial? It's too thin and tall and on the Mac at lower 
> sizes Arial emboldened does not look any different from Arial 
> regular. So those nice bold headlines you come up with? They look the
> 
> same as everything else in Arial.
> 
> So use Verdana, Helvetica, san-serif as your choices if you want to
> 
> be xplatform.
> 
> Thanks! This has been a public service message brought to you by me!
> 
> Jake
> >
> >These days, you can usually get away with Arial, Times, Courier, and
> 
> >Helvetica. Quite often people have Verdana as well, as it's a free
> 
> >one usually installed with just about any MS product (including 
> >browsers).
> >
> >I have no idea about Linux, but I'm sure someone will chime in soon.
> 
> -- 
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> dramatist, and essayist (1694-1778)
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> Message: 17
> From: "aphelan (Andrea Phelan)" <aphelan at confederationc.on.ca>
> To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:51:10 -0500
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> I can see your bosses point of view. First things first though, unless
> fighting legal battles is in your job description, you cAn refuse,
> simply
> explaining to him that you are very uncomfortable dealing with this
> matter,
> as you are not trained in corporate or copyright law and that you would
> prefer the matter left in someone else's hands.
> 
> However, a quiet, friendly but frank letter sent to the webmaster might
> do
> the trick. First of all, had his bosses not approved his use of your
> company
> name/copy write on the website, by quietly removing the information,
> he
> could be salvaging his job and his reputation, saving any and all legal
> disputes. Second should he take the matter to his bosses, they will
> most
> likely be frantically willing to have him remove the information to
> aviod
> legal repercussions which could otherwise be significant. Lawyers tend
> to
> raise hackles across the board.
> But, like I said earlier, the choice is yours to deal with it or not.
> 
> Annie
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Herzog, Ari [mailto:Ari_Herzog at Instron.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:30 PM
> To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> 
> 
> I quote my manager's response after sending an email
> about why we should not be nice about it:
> 
> "It is better to start the nice  (low cost way) and then escalate only
> if
> necessary.
> I would rather spend the money on content than on lawyers. It would
> serve us
> better
> to have them first banned from certain search engines than for them
> to
> withdraw
> under legal pressure. Starting with legal threats will likely only
> harden
> their position."
> 
> 
> You see what I am up against?
> 
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> 
> Message: 18
> From: "A. Erickson" <amanda at gawow.com>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:58:52 -0800
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> I agree. Don't mess around with the webmaster just have legal send
> a letter.
> Also, I hate it when people contact the ISP. The poor ISP should not
> be
> drawn into issues like this (unless it's SPAM or something which the
> ISP can
> legitimately handle.)
> 
> - amanda
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of M. Hannan
> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:47 AM
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> >
> >
> > Have your legal dept. (or lawyer) prepare a cease and desist letter.
> > There's precedent for this:
> >
> > http://www.gtlaw.com.au/pubs/metatags.html
> >
> > m@
> >
> >
> > >From: "Herzog, Ari" <Ari_Herzog at Instron.com>
> > >Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > >To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> > >Subject: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> > >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:36:35 -0500
> > >
> > >Hi all. It has been discovered several months ago that one of our
> > >competitors is using
> > >our patented company name in their keywords, as well as using
> > misspellings
> > >of our name as well.
> > >Clearly, this is against the law for search engines.
> > >
> > >My boss is under the impression I, being webmaster, should email
> their
> > >webmaster
> > >and their ISP about it. I feel we should have our corporate
> > attorneys send
> > >them
> > >a certified letter.
> > >
> > >Which to do?
> > >
> > >
> > >FWIW, we just got a legal letter from THEM about changing
> > something on our
> > >site as well.
> > >
> > >Thx,
> > >Ari
> > >
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> Message: 19
> Reply-To: "Bob Haroche" <bharoche at usa.net>
> From: "Bob Haroche" <bharoche at usa.net>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Do I be nice or attack with legal?
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:57:54 -0800
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> I tend to think this comes better from an attorney.  But if you want
> to "be
> nice", send them a strong, polite letter on *your* letterhead and be
> sure to
> "cc: Joe Smith, Esq."  at the bottom.  The "Esq" is a pretty good signal
> that you've got your attorney in the loop and that you're prepared
> to
> escalate the dialogue if necessary.
> 
> 
> 
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