matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : : Neither, since it's not a webcam. ;-) :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ but the logic still applies. try this on for size: http://members.evolt.org/jeff/webcam.cfm good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org