on 2/28/01 1:58 PM, gregory.john.toland at census.gov at gregory.john.toland at census.gov wrote: > What is the best way to avoid the "orphan" frame syndrome? I don't want > users to go directly to a frame. If they do then it loads the parent > frameset. Well, to echo John, though in a slightly modified light, don't use frames unless they are the only way to do the job right (which is a call you have to make). That being said, you can do it in JavaScript. I've seen Perl scripts that do it as well. I found this one quickly - http://www.digitalroom.net/index2.html <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript"> <!-- if (top.frames.length == 0) { document.cookie = "newURL=" + escape(document.URL) + "; path=/;" ver = parseInt(navigator.appVersion, 10); if ( ((navigator.appName == "Netscape") && (ver >= 3)) || ((navigator.appName == "Microsoft Internet Explorer") && (ver >= 4)) ) location.replace("/index2.html"); else location = "/index2.html"; }; //--> </SCRIPT> If you go here, you can see it work: http://www.digitalroom.net/javascript/frame.html bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org