http://www.adobe.com/products/atmosphere/main.html Interesting ideas from Adobe. They've got a plug-in for windows machines. I think that, looking at the players that are coming into 3D technology for the web, the real battle is going to be the development of tools that developers can use. Good tools will get developers, developers will generate content, and content will drive the plug-ins. It's going to be an interesting battle. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org