Hi Joxn, Sorry to come in late ... (I was out of the office last week) ... still sifting through the mountain of email and saw your umlaut situation ... I was just wondering if you could add a second manipulated version of the field to your select and just use it for sorting purposes ... Something like ... Select furrin_city_name, replace(furrin_city_name, "ö", "oe") as Sort_My_Butt from sum_dang_data_table_r_other order by Sort_My_Butt; [You may have to nest 2 or 3 of those 'replace' functions to cover other vowels.] It's not always intuitive, but sometimes selecting the same field multiple times can be useful for stuff like this. HTH, RonL.