I suggest these three books for examples of clear, concise site navigation: Jeffery Veen: The Art & Science of Web Design Steve Krug: Don't Make Me Think Jakob Nielsen: Designing Web Usability As always YMMV, Norman www.craftedsolutions.com > I am just looking for a real good example of clear and concise site > navigation, anyone know of any? > (Thinking he's just open a can of worms!)