Hi Don I was actually talking about the ASP it generates rather then the HTML. I recently helped someone who was having trouble getting a bit of UD generated code to do what he wanted it to do. Whilst I was looking at it I saw - multiple recordsets where only 1 was needed, iteration through recordsets rather then through array's using GetRows and all the ASP and HTML was mixed up together. All things which, in my book anyway, are bad practice. Speaking to a guy at a MM roadshow in London last year he confirmed that it's really just aimed at webdesigners who want to be able to do some server-side work, rather then at developers who work mainly on the server. Unfortunatly I really don't have time to get to grips with a new coding tool unless I'm going to see a dramatic increase in my productivity as a result. And nothing I've seen of UD suggests that it will be the case. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Makoviney" <DonM at allensysgroup.com> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] UltraDev > > What is wrong with the code it generates? It is by far the cleanest of any > WYSIWYG editor I have seen. > > And even if you don't like the way it codes, you can modify the coding > properties to make it fit your coding style.