From roselli at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 18 00:07:17 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Mon Jun 18 00:07:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Fading text in with Flash
In-Reply-To: <AEEMKOOEFCFNBBJALEONGEJACAAA.annie@twitch.ca>
References: <001901c0f759$256ca100$31ea7bd5@sabrina>
Message-ID: <3B2D53AD.13648.A0F545F@localhost>

> From: "Annie" <annie at twitch.ca>
>
> Hi :) Flash novice here
> I'm trying to create a few simple flash flicks to get the hang of it,
> and I've run into a little wall :) What Flash tool would I use to fade
> text in from blank to full color, and how? Thanks!! Annie

from memory, don't have Flash installed here... or maybe i do... 
who knows... too lazy to hit the start button...

anyway, convert your text to a symbol, create a motion tween, and 
use the properties dialog box to adjust the alpha transparency, 
being sure to set it to 100 in the first frame, and 0 in the last 
frame...




From john at neoncowboy.com  Mon Jun 18 00:49:48 2001
From: john at neoncowboy.com (john corry)
Date: Mon Jun 18 00:49:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] making div's 100% wide?
In-Reply-To: <B7529A69.3764%pagehealer@pagehealer.com>
Message-ID: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAIEBDDNAA.john@neoncowboy.com>

I changed your style tag to this:
<style type="text/css"><!--

body {
	background-color: #FFFFFF;
	background-image: url(images/ph_bg.gif);
	background-repeat: repeat-x;
	margin : 0px;
	padding : 0px;
}
.bodybottom {
	background-color: #FFFFFF;
	background-image: url(images/bottom_bg.gif);
	background-repeat: repeat-x;
	margin : 0px;
	padding : 0px;
}
-->
</style>

and it now does what I think you are asking it to do...in IE 5.

My primary workstation is out-of-commission while I wait for a new hard
drive from IBM...and I don't have netscape anything on my laptop...I would
hardly expect netscape to take a style tag seriously enough to render a page
the way it's supposed to though, so make sure you test in that 'browser'.

<tip type = "backup your important stuff">
Haven't invested in backup media/software? You're playing with fire! As
reliable as computers are these days, they still fail. How screwed would you
be if you lost your primary work source directory?

Windows 2000 has a built in backup feature that I just learned about...a
little too late. There are numerous other 3rd party products good for the
same functionality.

When I can get humpty back together again, I will begin a discplined backup
routine and follow through with it every day...losing files (or even
thinking you've lost files) is just not worth it.
</tip>

jc




From isaac at triplezero.com.au  Mon Jun 18 02:02:29 2001
From: isaac at triplezero.com.au (Isaac Forman)
Date: Mon Jun 18 02:02:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] CF: reversing a list
Message-ID: <CKEIJNPMACBAAGMEBNNIMEMLCIAA.isaac@triplezero.com.au>

Hi,

When using ColdFusion, what's the best way to reverse a list? There appears
to be no such thing as listreverse().

reverse() obviously reverses everything exactly (including list values). ie,
"28,27" becomes "72,82".

I tried browsing the CF forum (appears to have moved to Macromedia's site)
but it looks empty.


isaac




From lindsay at redsquare.com.au  Mon Jun 18 02:23:44 2001
From: lindsay at redsquare.com.au (Lindsay Evans)
Date: Mon Jun 18 02:23:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] CF: reversing a list
In-Reply-To: <CKEIJNPMACBAAGMEBNNIMEMLCIAA.isaac@triplezero.com.au>
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCHLKELHFDMNAHNAEGFDFAA.lindsay@redsquare.com.au>

try this:

<cfscript>
tList = Reverse(list);
newList = "";

for(i = 1; i LTE ListLen(tList); i = i + 1){
	newList = ListAppend(newList, Reverse(ListGetAt(tList, i)));
}
</cfscript>


list is your original list
newList will be the reversed list


--
 Lindsay Evans.
 Production Artist/Coder,
 Red Square Productions.

 vox: 8596.4000
 fax: 8596.4001
 web: www.redsquare.com.au

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Isaac Forman
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:01 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] CF: reversing a list



Hi,

When using ColdFusion, what's the best way to reverse a list? There appears
to be no such thing as listreverse().

reverse() obviously reverses everything exactly (including list values). ie,
"28,27" becomes "72,82".




From Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com  Mon Jun 18 04:17:50 2001
From: Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com (Kerin Cosford)
Date: Mon Jun 18 04:17:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] ADSL in the UK
Message-ID: <B630B725359AD411967B00508BFC8E90026C714B@severin.cursci.co.uk>

www.iomart.com are worth a look as well.

I use their consumer service, and its very reliable.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Anderson [mailto:neuro at well.com]
Sent: 17 June 2001 15:04
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] ADSL in the UK


----- Original Message -----
From: "Keni Barwick" <keni at barwick.net>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: [thelist] ADSL in the UK


> Any one have any knowledge of ADSL in this country (UK)
>
> I need
> 512 DownLoad
> 256 Upload
> No Nat
> With Real IP's?
>
> I have the best price so far of
>
> ?110 per month from BT

Griffin Internet do the 500 S service (no-NAT and 8 IP addresses included)
for 260-odd quid ex VAT for installation and then 80 quid a month ex VAT for
line rental - i don't have the URL to hand (offline atm) but go to
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ and go to the ISP list, then look for Griffin.


--
 _ __   ___ _   _ _ __ ___ @well.com  William Anderson www.well.com/~neuro
| '_ \ / _ \ | | | '__/ _ \  "The thing I love most about deadlines is the
| | | |  __/ |_| | | | (_) |   wonderful WHOOSHing sound they make as they
|_| |_|\___|\__,_|_|  \___/        go past." - Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)


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From nsg_chong at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 06:42:16 2001
From: nsg_chong at hotmail.com (Jelle Desramaults)
Date: Mon Jun 18 06:42:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] content overflow in tables ?
Message-ID: <OE433Kbc9oLfgzBscdT0000242b@hotmail.com>

Evolters,

I'm working on my company's website, i've come across a strange little
problem with my table code.
When i view my site with IE 5.0 on an imac there seems to occure some
"content overflow",
you can take a look at my page
(http://www.sitekick.be/new/formulessitekick.html) to see what i mean.
I added a border to my table for clarity's sake. Top left you"ll see a
picture of 2 hands, just underneath,
where the navigation starts, the picture of the two hands overlaps my
navigation.

 > Does this have something to do with "allow content overflow" being "true"
by default on IE 5.0 for mac ? (wild guess :)
 > if not, what am i missing here ?

thx, jelle



From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Mon Jun 18 07:07:27 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Mon Jun 18 07:07:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] CF: reversing a list
In-Reply-To: <CKEIJNPMACBAAGMEBNNIMEMLCIAA.isaac@triplezero.com.au>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIAEPKIPAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

If you have CF5, you can use this UDF (from StrLib at www.cflib.org):

/*
ListReverse(list,[delims])
Function to reverse the order of a list
Stephen Milligan aka Spike (spike at spike.org.uk) - April 6, 2001
*/
function ListReverse(list) {

	var newlist = "";
	var i = 0;
	var argc = ArrayLen(arguments);
	if (argc EQ 1) {
	ArrayAppend(arguments,',');
	}
	delims = arguments[2];
	while (i LT listlen(list,delims))
{
	thisindex = listlen(list,delims)-i;
	thisitem = listgetat(list,thisindex,delims);
    newlist = listappend(newlist,thisitem,delims);
    i = i +1;
}
 return newlist;
}

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Isaac Forman
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:01 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] CF: reversing a list
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> When using ColdFusion, what's the best way to reverse a list?
> There appears
> to be no such thing as listreverse().
>
> reverse() obviously reverses everything exactly (including list
> values). ie,
> "28,27" becomes "72,82".
>
> I tried browsing the CF forum (appears to have moved to Macromedia's site)
> but it looks empty.
>
>
> isaac
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Mon Jun 18 07:10:11 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Mon Jun 18 07:10:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] Questions
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616151540.00af2080@mail.imaginuity.com>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIEEPKIPAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

I would recommend against this. Ben has a new book coming out for CF5 in a
few weeks, so if you _can_ wait, I would. Outside of that, his book is
pretty good. I'd also recommend the Mastering ColdFusion 5 book, of course,
I'm a bit biased since I'm a co-author. :) There is also an ORA book coming
out. The author is a dang good CF programmer, and ORA normally makes some of
the best tech books. Again, this book will be out in a few weeks.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ben Dyer
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:24 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Questions
>
>
> I would strongly recommend picking up a copy of Ben Forta's
> ColdFusion 4.0
> Web Application Construction Kit.
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078971809X/
>
> That's how I learned.
>
> Later in life, try Ben Forta's ColdFusion 4.0 Advanced ColdFusion 4.0
> Application Development.
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789718103/
>
> But that one is definitely not necessary for beginners.
>




From nsg_chong at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 18 08:26:57 2001
From: nsg_chong at hotmail.com (Jelle Desramaults)
Date: Mon Jun 18 08:26:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] content overflow in tables ?
References: <OE433Kbc9oLfgzBscdT0000242b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <OE383OJXsNQptgFrYIL00002401@hotmail.com>

sorry, url has been changed >  http://www.sitekick.be/new/test.html

----- Original Message -----
From: Jelle Desramaults <nsg_chong at hotmail.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 1:39 PM
Subject: [thelist] content overflow in tables ?


> Evolters,
>
> I'm working on my company's website, i've come across a strange little
> problem with my table code.
> When i view my site with IE 5.0 on an imac there seems to occure some
> "content overflow",
> you can take a look at my page
> (http://www.sitekick.be/new/formulessitekick.html) to see what i mean.
> I added a border to my table for clarity's sake. Top left you"ll see a
> picture of 2 hands, just underneath,
> where the navigation starts, the picture of the two hands overlaps my
> navigation.
>
>  > Does this have something to do with "allow content overflow" being
"true"
> by default on IE 5.0 for mac ? (wild guess :)
>  > if not, what am i missing here ?
>
> thx, jelle
>
> ---------------------------------------
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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>



From bekah at nightvisions.com  Mon Jun 18 08:41:47 2001
From: bekah at nightvisions.com (Rebekah Murphy)
Date: Mon Jun 18 08:41:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] content overflow in tables ?
Message-ID: <200106180948857.SM00127@[206.15.137.34]>

jelle wrote:
> I'm working on my company's website, i've come across
> a strange little
> problem with my table code.
> (http://www.sitekick.be/new/formulessitekick.html)

I don't know if this is the problem, but I noticed 
starting on line 211 you have a few tr's that start 
like this:

<tr>
					</td><td

That extra </td> at the begining will cause problems.

-Bekah
-
http://NightVisions.com *** Web Design and Renovation
http://nightvisions.com/homepage - Portfolio
http://nightvisions.com/ooey_gui - Icons
http://nightvisions.com/personal - Personal




From merlene at cgocable.net  Mon Jun 18 09:29:47 2001
From: merlene at cgocable.net (Merlene Blacha)
Date: Mon Jun 18 09:29:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] Need help with cross platform autorun
Message-ID: <GMEALFIHHJPAGOKCEFPKEEGDJJAA.merlene@cgocable.net>

Hi there,

I need help with setting up an autorun cd that will work with windows, mac
and linux/unix  operating systems.

Basically, our company is putting out a cd with our catalog on it (it's a
window company) and the powers that be want this cd to automatically open an
html file with a menu of the different types of files here (autocad files,
pdfs, etc).

I have no experience with autorun at all so no idea what to do. I have
access to a windows system as well as a linux system but no mac access if
this matters.

I've tried the evolt archives and can't find anything about a crossplatform
autorun, just for windows and not sure how to get it to open specifically an
html file.

Thanks in advance for any help.

~Merlene Blacha




From roselli at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 18 09:41:13 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Mon Jun 18 09:41:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] Need help with cross platform autorun
In-Reply-To: <GMEALFIHHJPAGOKCEFPKEEGDJJAA.merlene@cgocable.net>
Message-ID: <200106181441.f5IEfAq04825@leo.evolt.org>

> From: "Merlene Blacha" <merlene at cgocable.net>
[...]
> I've tried the evolt archives and can't find anything about a
> crossplatform autorun, just for windows and not sure how to get it to
> open specifically an html file.

can only help you with MS Windows:

http://www.duckware.com/winopen.html

freeware, tiny, works very well... used it after testing a few of the 
options broached on the list... will continue to use it...



From thelist at lists.evolt.org  Mon Jun 18 09:49:03 2001
From: thelist at lists.evolt.org (Tip Harvester)
Date: Mon Jun 18 09:49:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday 2001-Jun-11
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From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Mon Jun 18 10:04:13 2001
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Mon Jun 18 10:04:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] Need help with cross platform autorun
In-Reply-To: <GMEALFIHHJPAGOKCEFPKEEGDJJAA.merlene@cgocable.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618104149.01484230@mail.idirect.ca>

In the wee hour of 10:24 AM 6/18/01 -0400, Merlene Blacha bequeathed such 
tales as these:
>I need help with setting up an autorun cd that will work with windows, mac
>and linux/unix  operating systems.
The autorun will work with both windows and mac but I haven't seen an 
autorun that works on Linux.
Peter Kaulback




From djc at starkmedia.com  Mon Jun 18 11:03:20 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Mon Jun 18 11:03:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] Milwaukee Beervolt this Wednesday!
Message-ID: <3B2E24A9.6030609@starkmedia.com>

Hola -

This Wednesday at the Milwaukee Ale House on Water @ 6pm. Outside on the 
lower deck again if its nice out, inside at one of the Big Ass 
Tables(tm) in the bar area if its raining.

We had about 8 people show up last time, and it was a blast! Hope to see 
you all there, plus any new faces :)

<tip type="paranoid unix admin">

Whenever I'm going to be replacing a directory tree with an entirely new 
one from a tar file(for example), I always like to make a quick backup 
of what I'm about to delete just in case. So when I'm wiping out the 
contents of my public_html directory, I do a quick cp -a public_html/ 
.public_html

that copies everything into a hidden directory just in case I need to 
bring it back up quickly without adding clutter to your directory tree..

</tip>

.djc.




From JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov  Mon Jun 18 11:59:58 2001
From: JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov (Pearson, John)
Date: Mon Jun 18 11:59:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
Message-ID: <1730EDAF86958-01@Department_of_Energy_E-Mail_Security_Server>

I have just installed win2k on a clean hard disk, added and activated IIS as a
server but its pretty clear that asp isnt running.  I can access any html page
via the server but no asp pages.  Can anyone tell me where the secret handshake
is?  The asp.dll is there.




From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk  Mon Jun 18 12:01:44 2001
From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford)
Date: Mon Jun 18 12:01:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
References: <1730EDAF86958-01@Department_of_Energy_E-Mail_Security_Server>
Message-ID: <00a901c0f818$63691af0$0b01a8c0@meg>

Hi John

This is really obvious but are you definatly going via IIS?  Ie
http://server/yourPage.asp as opposed to \\server\yourPage.asp?  That little
one had me fooled for a couple of hours when I started out :(

Norman


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pearson, John" <JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:46 PM
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?


> I have just installed win2k on a clean hard disk, added and activated IIS
as a
> server but its pretty clear that asp isnt running.  I can access any html
page
> via the server but no asp pages.  Can anyone tell me where the secret
handshake
> is?  The asp.dll is there.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> For unsubscribe and other options, including
> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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From JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov  Mon Jun 18 12:58:31 2001
From: JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov (Pearson, John)
Date: Mon Jun 18 12:58:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
Message-ID: <17309DD3125532-01@Department_of_Energy_E-Mail_Security_Server>

You mean the file reference versus the server reference.
Pretty sure Im referencing it correctly, still no dice.

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Beresford [mailto:n.beresford at anansi.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:02 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?


Hi John

This is really obvious but are you definatly going via IIS?  Ie
http://server/yourPage.asp as opposed to \\server\yourPage.asp?  That little
one had me fooled for a couple of hours when I started out :(

Norman






From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Mon Jun 18 13:00:56 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Mon Jun 18 13:00:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D0200851533991@ns.magisnetworks.com>

What exactly is happening - 404 error, blank page, partial page, nothing at
all?

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Pearson, John [mailto:JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:56 AM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?


You mean the file reference versus the server reference.
Pretty sure Im referencing it correctly, still no dice.

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Beresford [mailto:n.beresford at anansi.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:02 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?


Hi John

This is really obvious but are you definatly going via IIS?  Ie
http://server/yourPage.asp as opposed to \\server\yourPage.asp?  That little
one had me fooled for a couple of hours when I started out :(

Norman




From john_meyer at geocities.com  Mon Jun 18 13:34:17 2001
From: john_meyer at geocities.com (John Meyer)
Date: Mon Jun 18 13:34:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
In-Reply-To: <17309DD3125532-01@Department_of_Energy_E-Mail_Security_Ser
 ver>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618122950.00a036d0@pop.mail.yahoo.com>

At 01:55 PM 6/18/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>You mean the file reference versus the server reference.
>Pretty sure Im referencing it correctly, still no dice.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Norman Beresford [mailto:n.beresford at anansi.co.uk]
>Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:02 PM
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
>
>
>Hi John
>
>This is really obvious but are you definatly going via IIS?  Ie
>http://server/yourPage.asp as opposed to \\server\yourPage.asp?  That little
>one had me fooled for a couple of hours when I started out :(
>
>Norman

Does the directory the page is in have permission to execute scripts?

>

John Meyer
john_meyer at geocities.com
Programmer


If we didn't have Microsoft, we'd have to blame ourselves for all of our 
programs crashing




From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Mon Jun 18 13:36:14 2001
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Mon Jun 18 13:36:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] A pixel is not a pixel
Message-ID: <OFCB748E6F.F9605EC7-ON86256A6F.0060B6AC@na.jci.com>

>Of course, if all browsers choose to go over to the real W3C standards in
>every particular, the de-facto standard will change. If that is the case,
>we'll all have to change our CSS tricks with it. But I won't do it before
>this actually happens.

I feel a little like Baron Xeno as I type this but....before all browsers
can choose to follow the W3C standards, some browsers must choose to do so.
And before some, one must choose. And that's where we are now, with Opera
choosing to follow the standard. What happens next is open to speculation,
but I'd be in favor of revising the standard, personally. What I've been
saying on this thread is that I think Opera got the standard right, but
that the standard was wrong to say what it does.

>>Type specified at 10px, according to the CSS standard, should render at
the
>>exact same visible height, regardless of the size and resolution of the
>>monitor.
>
>Now this I don't believe. If you're right, we basically cannot choose a
>resolution for our monitors any more, because everything will show up the
>same size anyway, so it's useless. We're forced to abide by the resolution

>the monitor vendor has chosen for us.

I think you lost me there. The idea is that 10px type (and anything else
specified in pixels, for that matter) will render as if the monitor were
set to 90ppi. You can choose any resolution for your monitor you wish; the
larger the ppi you set, the more detailed will be the edges of the letters,
etc. But the letter will remain the same height. Example: a monitor which
delivers 180ppi will have 4x (2x high and 2x wide) as many pixels in a 10px
letter as a monitor at 90ppi.

>The main problem is that this is simply too complicated for most people
>(including myself).

That was one of the reasons I faulted the W3C for calling it a pixel, when
they were clearly *not* referring to a hardware pixel. Better to invent a
new term.

>In my mind, you're treating monitors as if they were print: you want to
say
>exactly how large your font will show up, while the current trend is
towards
>user choice (by adjusting monitor resolution, or, in some browsers, by
>adjusting the font size overruling the style sheet)

Adjusting font size by overruling the style will still be supported. The
idea was simply to treat monitors and printers the same way, as the trend
is for monitors to soon have the resultion that printers have enjoyed for
years. Yes, it's complicated. Yes, there were other ways to do it, which
weren't as prone to confusion. But the W3C chose this one, so for the
moment we're stuck with it.

Given the tech staff at Opera (most of what I know about CSS came from
Lie/Bos "Cascading Style Sheets: Designing For The Web" -- highly
recommended, BTW -- and Lie works there) I have been less willing to
classify this as a misreading/misunderstanding of the standard than as an
incomplete first step towards fully implementing the standard as written.
There's a lot to recommend the theory behind it; I just wish they'd used a
different name for it than "pixel," as that's where most of the heartburn
is coming from.

Were I king (a statement sure to cause an instant insurrection) I would
have reserved "pixel" for an absolute hardware measurement, and insisted
that it treat printers exactly same way it treats monitors: 1 pixel = 1 dot
on the printer, and used point (or made up a new term, like the Frohicke,
to avoid confusion) as the measurement that scaled to compensate for the
resolution of the output device, whether monitor or printer, and any
browser that failed to do both would be classed as "non-compliant." As a
workaround for lying OS's, the current W3C recommendation of selecting the
default font base unit (96ppi/72ppi) would then be applied across the
board. I'd even suggest a variable user-controlled base unit: that way a
user could reduce/enlarge the entire page proportionally, as an
accesibility feature.

Yes, we need a screen measurement that is consistent over all resolutions.
This is a necessary condition for good typography. Pixels shouldn't be it,
because of the confusion factor, but it's what the W3C chose. Points would
be best, but they were subverted from the start by MS. Perhaps inventing a
new unit would have been better.

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
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From JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov  Mon Jun 18 13:41:17 2001
From: JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov (Pearson, John)
Date: Mon Jun 18 13:41:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
Message-ID: <173093D5149734-01@Department_of_Energy_E-Mail_Security_Server>

....permissions is what I'm thinking, I'm at home so I cant fiddle.
Another reason appears to be an unregistered activex on the 
new machine which I definitely can't fix from home.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Meyer [mailto:john_meyer at geocities.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:30 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?


At 01:55 PM 6/18/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>You mean the file reference versus the server reference.
>Pretty sure Im referencing it correctly, still no dice.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Norman Beresford [mailto:n.beresford at anansi.co.uk]
>Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:02 PM
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
>
>
>Hi John
>
>This is really obvious but are you definatly going via IIS?  Ie
>http://server/yourPage.asp as opposed to \\server\yourPage.asp?  That little
>one had me fooled for a couple of hours when I started out :(
>
>Norman

Does the directory the page is in have permission to execute scripts?

>

John Meyer
john_meyer at geocities.com
Programmer


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From RWaller at fresno.ca.gov  Mon Jun 18 13:53:29 2001
From: RWaller at fresno.ca.gov (Waller, Rio)
Date: Mon Jun 18 13:53:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
Message-ID: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B39378@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>

Hello Everyone,

I have am getting a "Error:Class not registered" when calling a javascript
(window.open) from IE 5.5 SP1 the popup window is created but is blank. I
have test on the most common window.open parameters.

I have searched the MS knowledge and general Yahoo searches...but I don't
find anything.  Any assistance is appreciated


Rio Waller
WebPerson
http://www.FresnoHumanServices.org




From kjs at ratking.co.uk  Mon Jun 18 14:00:18 2001
From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens)
Date: Mon Jun 18 14:00:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
References: <1730EDAF86958-01@Department_of_Energy_E-Mail_Security_Server> <00a901c0f818$63691af0$0b01a8c0@meg>
Message-ID: <00af01c0f829$17f8c1e0$a29c01d5@y3s2e7>

> This is really obvious but are you definatly going via IIS?  Ie
> http://server/yourPage.asp as opposed to \\server\yourPage.asp?  That
little
> one had me fooled for a couple of hours when I started out :(

Another thing I have found is that your page MUST have an .asp extension for
ASP to work in PWS

HTH

Kev
kjs at ratking.co.uk




From chris at completeimaging.com  Mon Jun 18 14:55:32 2001
From: chris at completeimaging.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Mon Jun 18 14:55:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
In-Reply-To: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B39378@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>
Message-ID: <003401c0f830$78dd94c0$0900000a@darrell>

You haven't specified any of the attributes for the new window. Here is
what it should look like;

window.open("some_url","window_name","attributes");

With some attributes it looks like this:

window.open("some_url","window_name","location,height=100,width=100");

For more info, follow this link: 
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/03/index3a_page5.html

/chris

Web Developer
www.completeimaging.com/chris





From RWaller at fresno.ca.gov  Mon Jun 18 15:12:02 2001
From: RWaller at fresno.ca.gov (Waller, Rio)
Date: Mon Jun 18 15:12:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
Message-ID: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B3937D@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>

Thanks for your input.

S I tried a link on this article from my WinNT IE 5.5 it worked fine but on
my Win2K IE 5.5 it gets a blank window

and "javascript Error:Class can not be registered"? 

Again thanks for the assistance!

Rio :)


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chris Johnston [SMTP:chris at completeimaging.com]
> Sent:	Monday, June 18, 2001 12:54 PM
> To:	thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject:	RE: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
> 
> You haven't specified any of the attributes for the new window. Here is
> what it should look like;
> 
> window.open("some_url","window_name","attributes");
> 
> With some attributes it looks like this:
> 
> window.open("some_url","window_name","location,height=100,width=100");
> 
> For more info, follow this link: 
> http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/98/03/index3a_page5.html
> 
> /chris
> 
> Web Developer
> www.completeimaging.com/chris
> 
> 
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From chris at completeimaging.com  Mon Jun 18 15:21:37 2001
From: chris at completeimaging.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Mon Jun 18 15:21:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
In-Reply-To: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B3937D@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>
Message-ID: <003501c0f834$205122f0$0900000a@darrell>

Must be your browser then because I am running the exact same set up and
the links work fine for me. Do you have JavaScript turned on in the
browser?

/chris

Web Developer
www.completeimaging.com/chris





From RWaller at fresno.ca.gov  Mon Jun 18 15:25:39 2001
From: RWaller at fresno.ca.gov (Waller, Rio)
Date: Mon Jun 18 15:25:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
Message-ID: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B3937E@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>

Yes...I checked that first! It is turned on!  

I made sure that I am running the same version of IE 5.5 on NT and Win2K! :(

I will double check the IE settings!

Rio :)



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chris Johnston [SMTP:chris at completeimaging.com]
> Sent:	Monday, June 18, 2001 1:20 PM
> To:	thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject:	RE: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
> 
> Must be your browser then because I am running the exact same set up and
> the links work fine for me. Do you have JavaScript turned on in the
> browser?
> 
> /chris
> 
> Web Developer
> www.completeimaging.com/chris
> 
> 
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From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Mon Jun 18 15:36:37 2001
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Mon Jun 18 15:36:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
In-Reply-To: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B3937E@pobox4.intra.co.f
 resno.ca.us>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618162833.01af9150@mail.idirect.ca>

In the wee hour of 01:23 PM 6/18/01 -0700, Waller, Rio bequeathed such 
tales as these:
>Yes...I checked that first! It is turned on!
>
>I made sure that I am running the same version of IE 5.5 on NT and Win2K! :(
>
>I will double check the IE settings!
Can you run the windows update to make sure everything is up to date with 
IE?  Also try running the IE repair tool as something may be amiss with 
IE's configuration.
Peter Kaulback




From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com  Mon Jun 18 15:40:07 2001
From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Mon Jun 18 15:40:07 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A06FCF9AF@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hi John,


Another voice chiming in here ... not sure about win2k - but on Win98 you
had to load PWS and then go back to the CD and load in ASP separately.  It
didn't automagically load with PWS (which _I_ think is kinda goofy - but
hey).

HTH,

RonL.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pearson, John [mailto:JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov]

I have just installed win2k on a clean hard disk, added and activated IIS as
a
server but its pretty clear that asp isnt running.  I can access any html
page
via the server but no asp pages.  Can anyone tell me where the secret
handshake
is?  The asp.dll is there.



From sgd at ti3.com  Mon Jun 18 15:42:50 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Mon Jun 18 15:42:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172493099@gate.ti3.com>

Win2k and IIS5 should work right outta the install. Can you give any details
as to error messages and whatnot?

Never heard of this one ....

sgd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luther, Ron [mailto:Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com]
> 
> I have just installed win2k on a clean hard disk, added and 
> activated IIS as
> a
> server but its pretty clear that asp isnt running.  I can 



From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Mon Jun 18 15:44:33 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Mon Jun 18 15:44:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9BB2@ARNOLD>

| Yes...I checked that first! It is turned on!  
| 
| I made sure that I am running the same version of IE 5.5 on 
| NT and Win2K! :(
| 
| I will double check the IE settings!
| 
| Rio :)
| 

Hi Rio,

Do you, perchance, get other issues in Win 2k -- like copy/paste not working
right, drag and drop acting funny, etc.?

I had this problem last year after installing IE 5.5 on Win2k. Let me not
tell you about it.

<tip type="Contacting Support">
When contacting technical support for your product, or even doing searches
on the web or in that company's Knowledgebase, first specify the type of
technology you have (i.e. version, platform, etc.) and any specific error
messages in the exact syntax. Then use words that users understand to
describe the problem since this is how the technicians have been trained and
the systems developed.
</tip>

<tip type="Usability Principles: Feedback">
When crafting user messages that report about an abnormal condition within
the system, use language they understand, in the context they are using it.
For instance, while they may understand "Your system is running dangerously
low on memory...", the context of the usual user not working at a nuclear
power plant or airport traffic control tower will become unnecessarily
upset. 

You also may find it beneficial to provide some technical information which
follows the principle of visibility: show them what they need to know or do
and hide what they don't at that time. When they contact your tech support,
they need to see that technically fine-grain detail that the support analyst
can use for a precise diagnosis, but not before. Making sure that your
support team is knowledgeable about both of the messages is wise; especially
effective if you've gone ahead and designed the software around the way your
users actually work and what they want to accomplish -- your support team
will be keenly aware of the technical aspect of the application and
laypeople in the users' field of expertise.
</tip>



From RWaller at fresno.ca.gov  Mon Jun 18 16:18:50 2001
From: RWaller at fresno.ca.gov (Waller, Rio)
Date: Mon Jun 18 16:18:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
Message-ID: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B3937F@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>

Yes...I have everything up to date! Thanks for asking!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Peter Kaulback [SMTP:pkaulbak at idirect.ca]
> Sent:	Monday, June 18, 2001 1:30 PM
> To:	thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject:	RE: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
> 
> In the wee hour of 01:23 PM 6/18/01 -0700, Waller, Rio bequeathed such 
> tales as these:
> >Yes...I checked that first! It is turned on!
> >
> >I made sure that I am running the same version of IE 5.5 on NT and Win2K!
> :(
> >
> >I will double check the IE settings!
> Can you run the windows update to make sure everything is up to date with 
> IE?  Also try running the IE repair tool as something may be amiss with 
> IE's configuration.
> Peter Kaulback
> 
> 
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From seth at sethbienek.com  Mon Jun 18 16:20:48 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Mon Jun 18 16:20:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] Smart Tag Not
In-Reply-To: <023d01c0f5c4$1cf6b7e0$0b646464@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <001401c0f83b$ecba5fd0$2f01010a@dti2>

Interesting article on this today:

Legal experts question Windows XP
---------------------------------
The inclusion of smart tags technology is "the latest way Microsoft continues to use its market monopoly power to give itself a unique advantage over its competitors," [Black] said.
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2775911,00.html

-----------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Digitaris Technologies, Inc.
tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103
fax (972) 690-0617
icq 7673959
----------------------------------- 





From Stringers at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu  Mon Jun 18 16:32:39 2001
From: Stringers at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu (Suellen Stringer-Hye)
Date: Mon Jun 18 16:32:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] form functions
Message-ID: <3B2E2B9D.9988.16D14CB@localhost>

Hi, 

I have an application that uses a form with an "input type = image" 
to display a record from a result set. I'd like to dispense with the 
image and hyperlink the result in the result set instead. Is there an 
easy way to do this?  

Thanks in advance, 
Suellen 
Suellen Stringer-Hye
Jean and Alexander Heard Library
Vanderbilt University
stringers at library.vanderbilt.edu



From RyanF at SonicFoundry.com  Mon Jun 18 16:45:44 2001
From: RyanF at SonicFoundry.com (Ryan Finley)
Date: Mon Jun 18 16:45:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] FW: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-033
Message-ID: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D281D55C7@flash>

Better fix it quick (IIS people)...I just did.

	Ryan Finley
	President - SurveyMonkey.com (http://www.surveymonkey.com)

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Date:       18 June 2001
Software:   Index Server 2.0 and Indexing Service
Impact:     Run code of attacker's choice
Bulletin:   MS01-033

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As part of its installation process, IIS installs several ISAPI 
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script mapping for .idq or .ida files were present, and the attacker 
were able to establish a web session, he could exploit the 
vulnerability. 

Clearly, this is a serious vulnerability, and Microsoft urges all 
customers to take action immediately. Customers who cannot install
the 
patch can protect their systems by removing the script mappings for 
.idq and .ida files via the Internet Services Manager in IIS.
However, 
as discussed in detail in the FAQ, it is possible for these mappings
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or removed. Because of this, Microsoft recommends that all customers 
using IIS install the patch, even if the script mappings have been 
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From RWaller at fresno.ca.gov  Mon Jun 18 16:54:57 2001
From: RWaller at fresno.ca.gov (Waller, Rio)
Date: Mon Jun 18 16:54:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
Message-ID: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B39380@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>

Ok...so I loaded IE 6.0 (I know scary) and it fixed the problem!  Very Very
Strange!


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com [SMTP:Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com]
> Sent:	Monday, June 18, 2001 1:45 PM
> To:	thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject:	RE: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
> 
> | Yes...I checked that first! It is turned on!  
> | 
> | I made sure that I am running the same version of IE 5.5 on 
> | NT and Win2K! :(
> | 
> | I will double check the IE settings!
> | 
> | Rio :)
> | 
> 
> Hi Rio,
> 
> Do you, perchance, get other issues in Win 2k -- like copy/paste not
> working
> right, drag and drop acting funny, etc.?
> 
> I had this problem last year after installing IE 5.5 on Win2k. Let me not
> tell you about it.
> 
> <tip type="Contacting Support">
> When contacting technical support for your product, or even doing searches
> on the web or in that company's Knowledgebase, first specify the type of
> technology you have (i.e. version, platform, etc.) and any specific error
> messages in the exact syntax. Then use words that users understand to
> describe the problem since this is how the technicians have been trained
> and
> the systems developed.
> </tip>
> 
> <tip type="Usability Principles: Feedback">
> When crafting user messages that report about an abnormal condition within
> the system, use language they understand, in the context they are using
> it.
> For instance, while they may understand "Your system is running
> dangerously
> low on memory...", the context of the usual user not working at a nuclear
> power plant or airport traffic control tower will become unnecessarily
> upset. 
> 
> You also may find it beneficial to provide some technical information
> which
> follows the principle of visibility: show them what they need to know or
> do
> and hide what they don't at that time. When they contact your tech
> support,
> they need to see that technically fine-grain detail that the support
> analyst
> can use for a precise diagnosis, but not before. Making sure that your
> support team is knowledgeable about both of the messages is wise;
> especially
> effective if you've gone ahead and designed the software around the way
> your
> users actually work and what they want to accomplish -- your support team
> will be keenly aware of the technical aspect of the application and
> laypeople in the users' field of expertise.
> </tip>
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From fayec at canada.com  Mon Jun 18 17:01:16 2001
From: fayec at canada.com (Flavia Silveira-Tarzwell (FayeC))
Date: Mon Jun 18 17:01:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
References: <173093D5149734-01@Department_of_Energy_E-Mail_Security_Server>
Message-ID: <3B2E79A7.5B85DC7A@canada.com>

I was having problems with my IIS and I found out later that it was due
to my ZOne Alarm...
I had it set to block internet servers and it wouldn allow anything in
or out...
Funky but whenever I am checking my pages using my PWS I have to uncheck
the option from ZoneAlarm...


"Pearson, John" wrote:
> 
> ....permissions is what I'm thinking, I'm at home so I cant fiddle.
> Another reason appears to be an unregistered activex on the
> new machine which I definitely can't fix from home.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Meyer [mailto:john_meyer at geocities.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:30 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
> 
> At 01:55 PM 6/18/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >You mean the file reference versus the server reference.
> >Pretty sure Im referencing it correctly, still no dice.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Norman Beresford [mailto:n.beresford at anansi.co.uk]
> >Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:02 PM
> >To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> >Subject: Re: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
> >
> >
> >Hi John
> >
> >This is really obvious but are you definatly going via IIS?  Ie
> >http://server/yourPage.asp as opposed to \\server\yourPage.asp?  That little
> >one had me fooled for a couple of hours when I started out :(
> >
> >Norman
> 
> Does the directory the page is in have permission to execute scripts?
> 
> >
> 
> John Meyer
> john_meyer at geocities.com
> Programmer
> 
> If we didn't have Microsoft, we'd have to blame ourselves for all of our
> programs crashing
>



From jjsteele22 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 17:27:35 2001
From: jjsteele22 at yahoo.com (jon steele)
Date: Mon Jun 18 17:27:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] document.write
Message-ID: <20010618222520.97120.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Matthew,

If you want to ammend data to a page, use <div> tags and write to that
using innerHTML. You mentioned you want to repeat document.write while
the page is loading? That would work.

If you're still having problems post what it is you need to accomplish.

Jon.

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
does anyone know how to solve the problem of using document.write in 
functions??
I have just done that and found that it opens a new page and only 
writes the 
stuff inside the brackets after the document.write.... which isn't what

I 
want at all.

Is there any special way to stop this from happening or can you just 
simply 
not do this in functions.

cheers

M@

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From paul at wishlist.com.au  Mon Jun 18 18:53:36 2001
From: paul at wishlist.com.au (Paul Cowan)
Date: Mon Jun 18 18:53:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS Security Tip, was FW: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-033
Message-ID: <931F4C5A590FD411852300B0D021E34B01B557D2@STALLONE>

Hi all,

Free of charge, relating to the below, here's probably the most important
tip for any IIS webheads out there. Rather long for a tip, but hey.

<tip type="IIS Security" author="Paul Cowan">
The ABSOLUTE FIRST STEP in securing a production NT/2000 web server is to 
remove *any* and *all* DLL mappings which aren't required. On a live, 
publicly-accessible box, that should include all of them except the ASP
ones. 
Do it for the default website pretty much on the first power-up after 
install, then you won't forget, and any new sites you create afterwards 
should be fine. On IIS 4, this is in [server name] -> Properties -> WWW 
Service master properties -> Home Directory -> Configuration -> App 
mappings. If it doesn't map to asp.dll, delete it. There are many other
important steps when securing an IIS box (check the MS documentation), 
but with this baby, when _most_ of the MS IIS security bulletins 
come through, and your boss says in a panic "are we OK? my god, a 
security risk! help help!", you can read it, lean back, and smile 
heartily, impressing them with your incredibly cool demeanor and 
guaranteeing yourself another $15K next financial year.
</tip>

Next week, in IIS Security 101: "Removing The Default Website And 
Sample Virtual Directories For Dummies".

Cheers,

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Finley [mailto:RyanF at SonicFoundry.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2001 7:43 
> To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
> Subject: [thelist] FW: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-033
> 
> 
> Better fix it quick (IIS people)...I just did.
> 
> 	Ryan Finley
> 	President - SurveyMonkey.com (http://www.surveymonkey.com)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Microsoft Product Security [mailto:secnotif at MICROSOFT.COM]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:54 PM
> To: MICROSOFT_SECURITY at ANNOUNCE.MICROSOFT.COM
> Subject: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-033
> 
> 
> The following is a Security  Bulletin from the Microsoft 
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> - 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Title:      Unchecked Buffer in Index Server ISAPI Extension Could
>             Enable Web Server Compromise
> Date:       18 June 2001
> Software:   Index Server 2.0 and Indexing Service
> Impact:     Run code of attacker's choice
> Bulletin:   MS01-033
> 
> Microsoft encourages customers to review the Security Bulletin at: 
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-033.asp.
> - 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Issue:
> ======
> As part of its installation process, IIS installs several ISAPI 
> extensions -- .dlls that provide extended functionality. Among these
> is 
> idq.dll, which is a component of Index Server (known in Windows 2000
> as 
> Indexing Service) and provides support for administrative scripts
> (.ida 
> files) and Internet Data Queries (.idq files). 
> 
> A security vulnerability results because idq.dll contains an
> unchecked 
> buffer in a section of code that handles input URLs. An attacker who 
> could establish a web session with a server on which idq.dll is 
> installed could conduct a buffer overrun attack and execute code on
> the 
> web server. Idq.dll runs in the System context, so exploiting the 
> vulnerability would give the attacker complete control of the server 
> and allow him to take any desired action on it. 
> 
> The buffer overrun occurs before any indexing functionality is 
> requested. As a result, even though idq.dll is a component of Index 
> Server/Indexing Service, the service would not need to be running in 
> order for an attacker to exploit the vulnerability. As long as the 
> script mapping for .idq or .ida files were present, and the attacker 
> were able to establish a web session, he could exploit the 
> vulnerability. 
> 
> Clearly, this is a serious vulnerability, and Microsoft urges all 
> customers to take action immediately. Customers who cannot install
> the 
> patch can protect their systems by removing the script mappings for 
> .idq and .ida files via the Internet Services Manager in IIS.
> However, 
> as discussed in detail in the FAQ, it is possible for these mappings
> to 
> be automatically reinstated if additional system components are added
> or removed. Because of this, Microsoft recommends that all customers 
> using IIS install the patch, even if the script mappings have been 
> removed. 
> 
> Mitigating Factors:
> ====================
>  - The vulnerability can only be exploited if a web session 
>    can be established with an affected server. Customers 
>    who have installed Index Server or Index Services but not
>    IIS would not be at risk. This is the default case for 
>    Windows 2000 Professional. 
>  - The vulnerability cannot be exploited if the script mappings 
>    for Internet Data Administration (.ida) and Internet Data 
>    Query (.idq) files are not present. The procedure for 
>    removing the mappings is discussed in the IIS 4.0 
>    (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/iischk.asp) and IIS
>    5.0 (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/iis5chk.asp)
>    Security checklists, can be automatically removed via either 
>    the High Security Template or the Windows 2000 Internet Server 
>    Security Tool 
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>    or removing system components can cause the mapping to be 
>    reinstated, as discussed in the FAQ. 
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>    server to other machines would depend heavily on the specific
>    configuration of the network. Best practices recommend that the
>    network architecture account for the inherent high-risk that 
>    machines in an uncontrolled environment, like the Internet, 
>    face by minimizing overall exposure though measures like DMZ's,
>    operating with minimal services and isolating contact with 
>    internal networks. Steps like this can limit overall exposure
>    and impede an attacker's ability to broaden the scope of a 
>    possible compromise. 
> 
> Patch Availability:
> ===================
>  - A patch is available to fix this vulnerability. Please read the 
>    Security Bulletin
>    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms01-033.asp
>    for information on obtaining this patch.
> 
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>  - eEye Digital Security (http://www.eeye.com)
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From doshea at surfree.com  Mon Jun 18 18:55:56 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Mon Jun 18 18:55:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Column Links for Sorting
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010617214455.009f0350@pop.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINOELECDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

Found it!

Thanks John.





From david_shadovitz at xontech.com  Mon Jun 18 19:27:28 2001
From: david_shadovitz at xontech.com (David Shadovitz)
Date: Mon Jun 18 19:27:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML table alternating row problem
Message-ID: <3B2E9BD9.5D62F02A@xontech.com>

Perhaps one of you can help me understand why my HTML table is displayed
correctly on my machine and incorrectly on others.  The code looks like
this (OK, I've simplified it):

<table>
<tr class="header"><th>x</th><th>y</th></tr>
<tr class="data0"><td>1.0</td><td>55</td></tr>
<tr class="data1"><td>2.0</td><td>67</td></tr>
<tr class="data0"><td>3.0</td><td>44</td></tr>
<tr class="data1"><td>4.0</td><td>23</td></tr>
</table>

The classes are defined in an external style sheet.  The main purpose of
the data0 and data1 classes is to set the background color.  Users
report that the "data1" rows look fine, but the "data0" rows are
invisible - there's no data, and the rows' background color is the same
as the page's background color.  If these users view the page's source
code, it looks fine.

Sorry for this lousy description.  Any thoughts are appreciated.

-David




From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Mon Jun 18 19:33:33 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Mon Jun 18 19:33:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML table alternating row problem
References: <3B2E9BD9.5D62F02A@xontech.com>
Message-ID: <006401c0f857$3232b100$5a0b9ad8@mef>

David,

Can we see what you have in your CSS file for the three classes indicated.
Or a URL.  That may help to narrow down the problem.

Michele



----- Original Message -----
From: "David Shadovitz" <david_shadovitz at xontech.com>

| The classes are defined in an external style sheet.  The main purpose of
| the data0 and data1 classes is to set the background color.  Users
| report that the "data1" rows look fine, but the "data0" rows are
| invisible - there's no data, and the rows' background color is the same
| as the page's background color.  If these users view the page's source
| code, it looks fine.





From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Mon Jun 18 19:36:32 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Mon Jun 18 19:36:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618162833.01af9150@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <007101c0f857$9ddfb1a0$5a0b9ad8@mef>

Peter,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kaulback" <pkaulbak at idirect.ca>

<snip>

Also try running the IE repair tool as something may be amiss with
| IE's configuration.


What is the IE repair tool, and where does one find it?  I've never seen it
..

Thanks,

Michele





From beau at pair.com  Mon Jun 18 19:55:35 2001
From: beau at pair.com (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Mon Jun 18 19:55:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site Promotion
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEBFCDAA.beau@pair.com>

I have a client who wants more traffic to their online store. I have
developed lots of sites, but have never really been responsible for their
promotion. I did a little research on my own, and I'd like to ask thelist
what else there is to add:

Search Engine Listings:

1. Don't bother trying to trick or cheat the search engines. Their team of
well paid engineers are smarter than you and your tricks. It's an endless
game of cat and mouse that you do not have the resources to win at.

2. Keep <title>s short. Use "Back Scratcher" as a <title> instead of:
"SuperStore : Product Catalogue : Back : Back Scratcher".

3. Use whatever trick to change your querystrings from:
"index.php?category=1&product=3" to "index/category/1/product/3/".

4. <meta name="keywords"> should contain about a dozen keywords. Keywords
can at most be duplicated, like this: content="back, back scratcher, brush,
hair brush".

5. <meta name="description"> should contain a >50 word description of the
page or at least of the site.

6. Try to get other site owners to create links to your pages, in exchange
for a reciprocal link. The more links a page has pointing to it, the higher
it will rank. This can be significant. Don't waste time trying to cheat
with geocities or whatever.

7. Don't waste time trying to submit your site to the less popular search
engines. The biggies are: Yahoo, Google, Inktomi and DMOZ. Runners up still
worth considering: AltaVista, LookSmart, Lycos and Excite.

All this is basically distilled from here:
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/templates/print_template.htmlt?meta=/we
bmonkey/01/23/index1a_meta.html

Paid Promotion:

Based on my this distillation, it looks like the Yahoo and Google paid
promotions might be the best way to go. I really don't know about this
one - help!?

Cheers,

Beau




From fayec at canada.com  Mon Jun 18 20:01:35 2001
From: fayec at canada.com (Flavia Silveira-Tarzwell (FayeC))
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:01:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference
Message-ID: <3B2EA3E9.C541059B@canada.com>

Hi,

Could someone please direct me to an ASP reference online? I need a kind
of quick reference chart on methods, etc...
I have ASP books here but none came with a quick reference chart.
Another thing is....although I know the basic concept of programming in
general and just started some ASP programming I still get a little
confused with definitions and hierarchy in ASP and VBScript...Can
someone give me an address where I can find these answers?
I really appreciate any help and as soon as I know enough I will be
posting some tips in return.

TIA,

FayeC



From ritternd at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 20:04:25 2001
From: ritternd at yahoo.com (Chase Ritter)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:04:25 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
Message-ID: <20010619010213.73436.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello, 
  I am looking for a font called Microstyle, I have
used it on my companies webpage, and my partner and I
both reloaded Windows, thus losing the font, now we
can't find it anywhere. Please help. Where is a good
place to start looking for fonts?

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From jason at bigfatsite.com  Mon Jun 18 20:11:07 2001
From: jason at bigfatsite.com (Jason Whitman)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:11:07 2001
Subject: [thelist] Affordable ColdFusion hosting
Message-ID: <200106190108.SAA06443@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Could someone recommend an affordable ColdFusion hosting company for a
personal/portfolio Web site?  I have a solid ASP hosting company
(MyHosting.com) but want to get into ColdFusion in my free time.  Any ideas
or experience you could share would be appreciated.

Thanks for your help.

Jason
Editor, Big Fat Site
http://www.bigfatsite.com



From lindsay at redsquare.com.au  Mon Jun 18 20:11:57 2001
From: lindsay at redsquare.com.au (Lindsay Evans)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:11:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference
In-Reply-To: <3B2EA3E9.C541059B@canada.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCHLKELHFDMNAHNMEIGDFAA.lindsay@redsquare.com.au>

> Could someone please direct me to an ASP reference online?


http://msdn.microsoft.com/scripting/

has references for both VBScript & JScript

--
 Lindsay Evans.
 Production Artist/Coder,
 Red Square Productions.

 vox: 8596.4000
 fax: 8596.4001
 web: www.redsquare.com.au




From john_meyer at geocities.com  Mon Jun 18 20:15:53 2001
From: john_meyer at geocities.com (John Meyer)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:15:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference
In-Reply-To: <3B2EA3E9.C541059B@canada.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618191148.00a122b0@pop.mail.yahoo.com>

At 08:59 PM 6/18/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Could someone please direct me to an ASP reference online? I need a kind
>of quick reference chart on methods, etc...
>I have ASP books here but none came with a quick reference chart.
>Another thing is....although I know the basic concept of programming in
>general and just started some ASP programming I still get a little
>confused with definitions and hierarchy in ASP and VBScript...Can
>someone give me an address where I can find these answers?
>I really appreciate any help and as soon as I know enough I will be
>posting some tips in return.
>
>TIA,
>
>FayeC

Check out http://www.asp101.com/resources/aspobject.asp for a description 
of the objects within ASP.



John Meyer
john_meyer at geocities.com
Programmer


If we didn't have Microsoft, we'd have to blame ourselves for all of our 
programs crashing




From rachell at coeville.com  Mon Jun 18 20:20:08 2001
From: rachell at coeville.com (Rachell Coe)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:20:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site Review
In-Reply-To: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEBFCDAA.beau@pair.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010618182257.02568880@mail.coeville.com>

Hi All!

I'm trying out a whole new layout for my new site, and wanted to get your 
opinions on it. (Right now it is still just one big graphic so none of the 
links or mouseovers work).  http://www.bluhanddesign.com/example.htm

I would appreciate any critiques, tips, or ideas -- TIA
Thank you!

Rachell Coe
<http://www.coeville.com/>www.coeville.com
<mailto:rachell at coeville.com>Rachell at coeville.com
(541) 607-9170





From gfinnigan at talk21.com  Mon Jun 18 20:24:03 2001
From: gfinnigan at talk21.com (Gary Finnigan)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:24:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site Review
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010618182257.02568880@mail.coeville.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c0f85e$65a80ba0$0300a8c0@Home>

Blue is my favourite colour so I am biased. But...the picture is small.
(IE5 @ 800x600)
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Rachell Coe <rachell at coeville.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:25 AM
Subject: [thelist] Site Review


> Hi All!
>
> I'm trying out a whole new layout for my new site, and wanted to get your
> opinions on it. (Right now it is still just one big graphic so none of the
> links or mouseovers work).  http://www.bluhanddesign.com/example.htm
>
> I would appreciate any critiques, tips, or ideas -- TIA
> Thank you!
>
> Rachell Coe
> <http://www.coeville.com/>www.coeville.com
> <mailto:rachell at coeville.com>Rachell at coeville.com
> (541) 607-9170
>
>
>
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From gina at sitediva.com  Mon Jun 18 20:24:13 2001
From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina K. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:24:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] Affordable ColdFusion hosting
In-Reply-To: <200106190108.SAA06443@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <LOBBKOPEEELOECOMMAGLKEAFKAAA.gina@sitediva.com>

Jason,

|Could someone recommend an affordable ColdFusion
|hosting company for a personal/portfolio Web site?

I've been using the www.cfm-resources.com free account for a
bit..they have had some trouble for quite some time now but
I think it's coming to a close (I hope). They also have some
pretty good deals on paid accounts. Check 'em out. I also
have considered www.cosmotek.net. But haven't signed up with
them yet.

Just two that I know of that are pretty affordable, under
12-14 US bucks a month anyway.

HTH,
Gina




From gina at sitediva.com  Mon Jun 18 20:27:53 2001
From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina K. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:27:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
In-Reply-To: <20010619010213.73436.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKOPEEELOECOMMAGLGEAGKAAA.gina@sitediva.com>

|I am looking for a font called Microstyle

A quick search on Google resulted in:

http://www.datascan.co.uk/fontlib/fontbmpm.html

Also seems to look alot like EuroStyle, which if you got to
www.google.com and type in "EuroStyle font", you should get
some hits on that too.

HTH,
Gina




From ritternd at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 20:29:18 2001
From: ritternd at yahoo.com (Chase Ritter)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:29:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
In-Reply-To: <LOBBKOPEEELOECOMMAGLGEAGKAAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <20010619012656.32462.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you much
-Chase

--- "Gina K. Anderson" <gina at sitediva.com> wrote:
> |I am looking for a font called Microstyle
> 
> A quick search on Google resulted in:
> 
> http://www.datascan.co.uk/fontlib/fontbmpm.html
> 
> Also seems to look alot like EuroStyle, which if you
> got to
> www.google.com and type in "EuroStyle font", you
> should get
> some hits on that too.
> 
> HTH,
> Gina
> 
> 
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From ritternd at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 20:33:59 2001
From: ritternd at yahoo.com (Chase Ritter)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:33:59 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
In-Reply-To: <20010619012656.32462.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010619013148.32928.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>

How can I download the font, I tried to download it,
but I only got a .gif.
What do I do?

--- Chase Ritter <ritternd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank you much
> -Chase
> 
> --- "Gina K. Anderson" <gina at sitediva.com> wrote:
> > |I am looking for a font called Microstyle
> > 
> > A quick search on Google resulted in:
> > 
> > http://www.datascan.co.uk/fontlib/fontbmpm.html
> > 
> > Also seems to look alot like EuroStyle, which if
> you
> > got to
> > www.google.com and type in "EuroStyle font", you
> > should get
> > some hits on that too.
> > 
> > HTH,
> > Gina
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including
> > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
> 
> 
> 
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From gina at sitediva.com  Mon Jun 18 20:45:27 2001
From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina K. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jun 18 20:45:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
In-Reply-To: <20010619013148.32928.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKOPEEELOECOMMAGLGEAHKAAA.gina@sitediva.com>

|How can I download the font, I tried to download it,
|but I only got a .gif. What do I do?

Oops. I thought those were download links too..lemme try
another search, and see what i can find..you might have to
buy the font from a fount foundry if it's commercial. Get
back to ya in a sec.

Gina




From gina at sitediva.com  Mon Jun 18 21:10:01 2001
From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina K. Anderson)
Date: Mon Jun 18 21:10:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
In-Reply-To: <LOBBKOPEEELOECOMMAGLGEAHKAAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBKOPEEELOECOMMAGLAEAKKAAA.gina@sitediva.com>

Chase,

I tried:

www.adobe.com/type
www.eyewire.com
www.bitstream.com
www.phislfonts.com

all commercial type face foundries, no matches for
"Microstyle" :( Maybe you should try the Eurostyle, it looks
just like it (or durn close)..I saw something about
Pagemaker including the font..did you try reinstalling that
software, if you had it to begin with?

You can continue looking with the link of foundry listings
below:
http://www.dejeu.com/web/tools/type/sources.asp

Eurostyle is a shareware font I believe, not certain. I'd
check a search engine for that, or the links above.

Gina





From ritternd at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 21:18:56 2001
From: ritternd at yahoo.com (Chase Ritter)
Date: Mon Jun 18 21:18:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
In-Reply-To: <LOBBKOPEEELOECOMMAGLAEAKKAAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <20010619021630.36856.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>

I have Pagemaker but have no idea to use it.

--- "Gina K. Anderson" <gina at sitediva.com> wrote:
> Chase,
> 
> I tried:
> 
> www.adobe.com/type
> www.eyewire.com
> www.bitstream.com
> www.phislfonts.com
> 
> all commercial type face foundries, no matches for
> "Microstyle" :( Maybe you should try the Eurostyle,
> it looks
> just like it (or durn close)..I saw something about
> Pagemaker including the font..did you try
> reinstalling that
> software, if you had it to begin with?
> 
> You can continue looking with the link of foundry
> listings
> below:
> http://www.dejeu.com/web/tools/type/sources.asp
> 
> Eurostyle is a shareware font I believe, not
> certain. I'd
> check a search engine for that, or the links above.
> 
> Gina
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------
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From gfinnigan at talk21.com  Mon Jun 18 21:22:06 2001
From: gfinnigan at talk21.com (Gary Finnigan)
Date: Mon Jun 18 21:22:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
References: <20010619021630.36856.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c0f866$7ba90140$0300a8c0@Home>

You don't have to use it, just install it and you will get all the fonts.
May have to cpy to system folder but they will be there.
Regards
G
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Chase Ritter <ritternd at yahoo.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 3:16 AM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Help with finding fonts


> I have Pagemaker but have no idea to use it.
> 
> --- "Gina K. Anderson" <gina at sitediva.com> wrote:
> > Chase,
> > 
> > I tried:
> > 
> > www.adobe.com/type
> > www.eyewire.com
> > www.bitstream.com
> > www.phislfonts.com
> > 
> > all commercial type face foundries, no matches for
> > "Microstyle" :( Maybe you should try the Eurostyle,
> > it looks
> > just like it (or durn close)..I saw something about
> > Pagemaker including the font..did you try
> > reinstalling that
> > software, if you had it to begin with?
> > 
> > You can continue looking with the link of foundry
> > listings
> > below:
> > http://www.dejeu.com/web/tools/type/sources.asp
> > 
> > Eurostyle is a shareware font I believe, not
> > certain. I'd
> > check a search engine for that, or the links above.
> > 
> > Gina
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including
> > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more.
> http://buzz.yahoo.com/
> 
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> 




From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Mon Jun 18 21:24:06 2001
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Mon Jun 18 21:24:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
In-Reply-To: <007101c0f857$9ddfb1a0$5a0b9ad8@mef>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618162833.01af9150@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618221132.00aa60d0@mail.idirect.ca>

In the wee hour of 08:34 PM 6/18/01 -0400, Michele Foster bequeathed such 
tales as these:
>Peter,
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Kaulback" <pkaulbak at idirect.ca>
>
><snip>
>
>Also try running the IE repair tool as something may be amiss with
>| IE's configuration.
>
>
>What is the IE repair tool, and where does one find it?  I've never seen it
>..
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michele

Michele,
You can run the repair tool from the command line with:
rundll32 setupwbv.dll,IE5Maintenance "C:\Program Files\Internet 
Explorer\Setup\SETUP.EXE" /g "%SystemRoot%\IE Uninstall Log.Txt"
or by going through "Control panel / Add/Remove / Microsoft Internet 
Explorer 5 and Internet Tools / Add/Remove / Repair Internet Explorer"
Peter Kaulback




From ritternd at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 21:31:12 2001
From: ritternd at yahoo.com (Chase Ritter)
Date: Mon Jun 18 21:31:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
In-Reply-To: <004a01c0f866$7ba90140$0300a8c0@Home>
Message-ID: <20010619022900.37980.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>

thanks people....god I love this list.... :)
-Chase

oh, by the way, my companies website is about to go
up, please check it out
www.nevermind-designs.com

--- Gary Finnigan <gfinnigan at talk21.com> wrote:
> You don't have to use it, just install it and you
> will get all the fonts.
> May have to cpy to system folder but they will be
> there.
> Regards
> G
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Chase Ritter <ritternd at yahoo.com>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 3:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
> 
> 
> > I have Pagemaker but have no idea to use it.
> > 
> > --- "Gina K. Anderson" <gina at sitediva.com> wrote:
> > > Chase,
> > > 
> > > I tried:
> > > 
> > > www.adobe.com/type
> > > www.eyewire.com
> > > www.bitstream.com
> > > www.phislfonts.com
> > > 
> > > all commercial type face foundries, no matches
> for
> > > "Microstyle" :( Maybe you should try the
> Eurostyle,
> > > it looks
> > > just like it (or durn close)..I saw something
> about
> > > Pagemaker including the font..did you try
> > > reinstalling that
> > > software, if you had it to begin with?
> > > 
> > > You can continue looking with the link of
> foundry
> > > listings
> > > below:
> > > http://www.dejeu.com/web/tools/type/sources.asp
> > > 
> > > Eurostyle is a shareware font I believe, not
> > > certain. I'd
> > > check a search engine for that, or the links
> above.
> > > 
> > > Gina
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > For unsubscribe and other options, including
> > > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> > > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt
> ! 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and
> more.
> > http://buzz.yahoo.com/
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------
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> > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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> 
> > 
> 
> 
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From doshea at surfree.com  Mon Jun 18 21:57:07 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Mon Jun 18 21:57:07 2001
Subject: [thelist] Syntax Error Message in SQL Statement for Access Database
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINAELJCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

I am trying to get hyperlinks on all my column headings and am trying to use
the SQL script article from this site. I am using an access database so I
must alter the syntax a bit. I am getting an error message on my IF and THEN
line-

Error Type:
Microsoft VBScript compilation (0x800A03EA)
Syntax error
/football_Local/players1.asp, line 121
if strOrder <> "" then

I believe this may be an access syntax problem but don't know how to correct
it. Can anyone help?? Below is the entire statement that I built from the
article on this site. Thanks.


<%
dim cnn1
dim objRec
dim sql
dim strOrder
Dim varfullname

strOrder = Request.QueryString("Order")

Set cnn1 = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
openStr = "driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)};" & _
"dbq=" & Server.MapPath("2000/stats2000.mdb")
cnn1.Open openStr,"",""

sql = "SELECT QB.fullname, " & _
"QB.pos, " & _
"QB.team, " & _
"QB.games, " & _
"QB.passatt, " & _
"QB.passcom, " & _
"QB.passyards, " & _
"QB.passtd, " & _
"QB.avgpass, " & _
"QB.yards, " & _
"QB.rushatt, " & _
"QB.rushyards, " & _
"QB.rushtd, " & _
"QB.avgrush, " & _
"QB.fumnum, " & _
"QB.fumlost, " & _
"QB.intthrown, " & _
"QB.sack, " & _
"QB.rushconv, " & _
"QB.passconv, " & _
"QB.catchconv " & _
"FROM QB " & _

if strOrder <> "" then
sql = sql & " ORDER BY " & strOrder
end if

Set objRec = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
objRec.Open sql, cnn1, adOpenStatic, adLockReadOnly, adCmdText

if objRec.EOF then
'if there are no records display a message and stop
'processing the page
Response.Write "No records available"
Response.End
end if

Response.Write "<td align=center><a href=""" & _
"SortColumns.asp?Order=team"">" & _
"Team</a></td>"
Response.Write "<td align=center><a href=""" & _
"SortColumns.asp?Order=games"">" & _
"Games</a></td>"
Response.Write "<td align=center><a href=""" & _
"SortColumns.asp?Order=passatt"">" & _
"PA</a></td>"
Response.Write "<td align=center><a href=""" & _
"SortColumns.asp?Order=passcom"">" & _
"PC</a></td>"
Response.Write "<td align=center><a href=""" & _
"SortColumns.asp?Order=passyards"">" & _
"PY</a></td>"
Response.Write "<td align=center><a href=""" & _
"SortColumns.asp?Order=passtd"">" & _
"PTD</a></td>"
Response.Write "<td align=center><a href=""" & _
"SortColumns.asp?Order=intthrown"">" & _
"Int</a></td>"
Response.Write "</tr>"


while not objRec.EOF
Response.Write "<tr>"
Response.Write "<td>" & objRec("team") & "</td>"
Response.Write "<td>" & objRec("games") & "</td>"
Response.Write "<td>" & objRec("passatt") & "</td>"
Response.Write "<td>" & objRec("passcom") & "</td>"
Response.Write "<td>" & objRec("passyards") & "</td>"
Response.Write "<td>" & objRec("passtd") & "</td>"
Response.Write "<td>" & objRec("intthrown") & "</td>"
Response.Write "</tr>"
objRec.MoveNext
wend
Response.Write "</table>"

'clean up
objRec.Close
set objRec = nothing

cnn1.Close
set cnn1 = Nothing
%>
</BODY>
</HTML>




From doshea at surfree.com  Mon Jun 18 21:57:12 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Mon Jun 18 21:57:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINCELJCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

Since I've been posting several questions lately, here's an article on
Search Engine tactics from http://www.internetday.com/ I thought some on the
List may find useful.

DanO

Internet Day

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Two New Search Engine Tactics

By Roger Wilcox


To carry on in the tradition of the classic e-book "Search Engine Tactics"
(as you surely know, written by Mark Joyner in 1995 -- the book that
pioneered e-book marketing and still a classic work on search engine
promotion), I would like to propose two new tactics in use today. With all
due respect to Mr. Joyner, a lot has changed since 1995.

Here are two brand new tactics that the search engine optimization gurus are
talking about:

1. New META Tag: "Aesop"

If you get nothing else from this article, get this. This new tag is popping
up on sites all over the Net and will dramatically change the way people
search. Essentially, this tag breaks all Internet content into six useful
categories. The purpose of this is to allow surfers to more accurately and
quickly determine if a search result is, indeed, what they are looking for.
It also allows Webmasters to attract more appropriate visits to their sites.
Right now, the only engine that recognizes it is aesop.com, but I have it on
authority that others are preparing to start recognizing the tag as well.

For more information, here is the official aesop META tag site (includes a
free tag generator). If you don't already have this tag on all of your
pages, it's critical that you do this right away:
http://www.aesop.com/metatag.htm

2. CSS H1 Spoof

In the early days of the Net, search engines were easy to fool. These days,
it's quite a bit more difficult, but it can be done. However, any time you
use some type of trick to spoof the engines, you always run the risk of the
engine catching you and banning your domain for spamming.

OK, with that caveat, here's the trick.

Some search engines will give words found in the "H1" tag a boost in
relevancy. The H1 tag is used to specify your page's heading. The problem
is, this heading is just plain ugly. It's a huge point Times New Roman
heading that doesn't look good in anyone's Web design book.

Here's the good news: you can get the best of both worlds using Cascading
Style Sheets (CSS). With CSS, you can specify that the browser will render
text in the H1 tag any way you please. This is great; because, you can get
both a boost in relevancy and get better control of your page's appearance
in one step.

Here's the code:

In your head tag, put the following line:


<STYLE> <!-- H1 {font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 12pt; color:
black; } --> </STYLE>
(Note that you can change any of the above variables - font size, type, and
color - as you see fit.)

Then, in the body of your document, where you want you document "heading" or
"headline", use the following code:


<H1>Text for Your Headline Here</H1>
The headline will now appear as you specified in the style code. This is a
great trick, and it's brand new.

Apply these new tactics today for some easy traffic courtesy of your
favorite search engines.

June 11, 2001




From lindsay at redsquare.com.au  Mon Jun 18 22:05:04 2001
From: lindsay at redsquare.com.au (Lindsay Evans)
Date: Mon Jun 18 22:05:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] Syntax Error Message in SQL Statement for Access Database
In-Reply-To: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINAELJCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCHLKELHFDMNAHNGEIMDFAA.lindsay@redsquare.com.au>

I believe if you take out the last & _ from your SQL statement, it should
work

like so:

"FROM QB "

if strOrder <> "" then

--
 Lindsay Evans.
 Production Artist/Coder,
 Red Square Productions.

 vox: 8596.4000
 fax: 8596.4001
 web: www.redsquare.com.au




From web at master.gen.in.us  Mon Jun 18 23:32:58 2001
From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke )
Date: Mon Jun 18 23:32:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with finding fonts
In-Reply-To: <20010619010213.73436.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B2E9E83.2969.2EDB197@localhost>

On 18 Jun 2001, at 18:02, Chase Ritter posted a message which said:

>   I am looking for a font called Microstyle, I have
> used it on my companies webpage, and my partner and I
> both reloaded Windows, thus losing the font, now we
> can't find it anywhere. Please help. Where is a good
> place to start looking for fonts?

I believe Microstyle is a clone of Microgramma, designed
in 1952 by Alessandro Butti and Aldo Novarese for 
Societa Nebiolo of Turin, Italy. It's either very beautiful
and elegant, or else butt-ugly; I've never figured out which.

Butti and Novarese rethought Microgramma in 1962 and
came up with Eurostile, which was basically a condensed
Microgramma. A capital C in Microgramma would be as
wide as it was tall; in Eurostile, it would be about 60-70%
as wide as it was tall. That makes Eurostile more useful
for stuff that needs to be *read*.  Microgramma is mostly
useful for logos that only have to be decoded *once*.

http://www.myfonts.com/BrowseByFoundry?id=73
has pictures of the fonts, and I believe you can order 
them on their site.

My ancient Corel Draw has a "Euromode" type face 
which clones Eurostile. My copy of Microgramma is 
the genuine URW font, though, so I don't know what
else is available

deke



------------------------
 "The church is near but the road is icy; 
  the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." 
                            -- Russian Proverb



From runciter at rosa.com  Tue Jun 19 03:10:46 2001
From: runciter at rosa.com (Niklaus Haldimann)
Date: Tue Jun 19 03:10:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay
References: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINCELJCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>
Message-ID: <3B2F0660.C1EDF12B@rosa.com>

"Daniel S. O'Shea" wrote:
> Since I've been posting several questions lately, here's an article on
> Search Engine tactics from http://www.internetday.com/ I thought some on the
> List may find useful.
> 
> 1. New META Tag: "Aesop"
> 
> If you get nothing else from this article, get this. This new tag is popping
> up on sites all over the Net and will dramatically change the way people
> search.

Beware. The "Aesop Meta Tag" is a proprietary tag of the spider search
engine Aesop - see http://www.aesop.com/about.htm . AFAIK no other
spider or search engine does recognize their meta tag. There's no
documentation on the site what the syntax of the tag would be. To
generate an Aesop meta tag you have to give them your email. Ouch. Me
thinks it's just a rather lame marketing campaign.

I checked http://www.rankwrite.com and http://www.searchenginewatch.com
(IMHO top two SEO resources). Neither of them has mentioned Aesop.

Cheers,
Niklaus.

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At Play: http://www.ubique.ch
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From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk  Tue Jun 19 03:23:33 2001
From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford)
Date: Tue Jun 19 03:23:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference
References: <3B2EA3E9.C541059B@canada.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c0f899$2beed110$0b01a8c0@meg>

Hi FayeC

I've found the devguru guides so handy that we've got all of them sitting
locally on our intranet.  The two I guess you'd be interested in are:
http://www.devguru.com/Technologies/asp/quickref/asp_intro.html

http://www.devguru.com/Technologies/vbscript/quickref/vbscript_intro.html


HTH

Norman


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From: "Flavia Silveira-Tarzwell (FayeC)" <fayec at canada.com>
To: "Evolt" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:59 AM
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference


> Hi,
>
> Could someone please direct me to an ASP reference online? I need a kind
> of quick reference chart on methods, etc...
> I have ASP books here but none came with a quick reference chart.
> Another thing is....although I know the basic concept of programming in
> general and just started some ASP programming I still get a little
> confused with definitions and hierarchy in ASP and VBScript...Can
> someone give me an address where I can find these answers?
> I really appreciate any help and as soon as I know enough I will be
> posting some tips in return.
>
> TIA,
>
> FayeC
>
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From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 19 03:42:58 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Tue Jun 19 03:42:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] A pixel is not a pixel
Message-ID: <LAW2-F46fogkJXrRjbD00009367@hotmail.com>


> >Of course, if all browsers choose to go over to the real W3C standards in 
>every particular, the de-facto standard will change. If that is the case, 
>we'll all have to change our CSS tricks with it. But I won't do it before 
>this actually happens.
>
>I feel a little like Baron Xeno as I type this but....before all browsers 
>can choose to follow the W3C standards, some browsers must choose to do so. 
>And before some, one must choose. And that's where we are now, with Opera 
>choosing to follow the standard.

Although you're right that some browser must start following the standards, 
there are two distinct ways of implementing the standards:

1) Adding something new (like CSS2 or the W3C DOM) to your browser. This is 
fine (great, in fact) and it happens all the time.
2) Revising something already present in the browsers because the current 
implementation does not exactly follow the standards. This, I think, cannot 
be done and will not be done.

Browser vendors cannot afford to change the way how anything works once it 
has been implemented, because it would mean that web pages using the old 
definitions wouldn't work (properly) any more in the newest browser. Result: 
end users get annoyed and download another browser, which is bad for 
business. So in essence, now that px has been implemented in a certain way, 
it will never be changed any more.

This is the Principle of Browser Conservatism and it's a very poweful 
principle. Seen from this perspective, the Op5Mac treatment of px in CSS is, 
for all practical purposes, a bug.

>What happens next is open to speculation, but I'd be in favor of revising 
>the standard, personally. What I've been saying on this thread is that I 
>think Opera got the standard right, but that the standard was wrong to say 
>what it does.

Yes, I agree. What should happen is that W3C defines a new CSS unit which 
does what you've described. Once that is done, browsers can implement it as 
a *new* standard, which is no problem at all.

>I think you lost me there. The idea is that 10px type (and anything else 
>specified in pixels, for that matter) will render as if the monitor were 
>set to 90ppi. You can choose any resolution for your monitor you wish; the 
>larger the ppi you set, the more detailed will be the edges of the letters, 
>etc. But the letter will remain the same height. Example: a monitor which 
>delivers 180ppi will have 4x (2x high and 2x wide) as many pixels in a 10px 
>letter as a monitor at 90ppi.

So if you change your monitor resolution you do not change the number of 
pixels but the ppi? This will cause tons of confusion, but it does make a 
certain amount of sense (as long as the old pixel units remain visible 
somewhere in the controls, people expect them to be there.)

>Adjusting font size by overruling the style will still be supported. The 
>idea was simply to treat monitors and printers the same way, as the trend 
>is for monitors to soon have the resultion that printers have enjoyed for 
>years. Yes, it's complicated. Yes, there were other ways to do it, which 
>weren't as prone to confusion. But the W3C chose this one, so for the 
>moment we're stuck with it.

We can always choose to ignore this particular bit of the standard, and I 
think this will happen. Sometimes W3C delivers something unworkable, and 
this seems to be one of those cases.

Anyway, let them change the name and people will start to appreciate it, as 
you said.

>There's a lot to recommend the theory behind it; I just wish they'd used a 
>different name for it than "pixel," as that's where most of the heartburn 
>is coming from.
>
>Were I king (a statement sure to cause an instant insurrection) I would 
>have reserved "pixel" for an absolute hardware measurement, and insisted 
>that it treat printers exactly same way it treats monitors: 1 pixel = 1 dot 
>on the printer, and used point (or made up a new term, like the Frohicke, 
>to avoid confusion) as the measurement that scaled to compensate for the 
>resolution of the output device, whether monitor or printer, and any 
>browser that failed to do both would be classed as "non-compliant." As a 
>workaround for lying OS's, the current W3C recommendation of selecting the 
>default font base unit (96ppi/72ppi) would then be applied across the 
>board. I'd even suggest a variable user-controlled base unit: that way a 
>user could reduce/enlarge the entire page proportionally, as an 
>accesibility feature.

Unfortunately typography is not my main strength, so I cannot really answer 
to this, but I still have the feeling that the standard is trying to change 
the way we've always treated monitors. As I said before, adding something 
new is easy, but changing something that has been in use for years is much 
more difficult, if not impossible.

ppk

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From evolt at georgedillon.com  Tue Jun 19 05:32:40 2001
From: evolt at georgedillon.com (George Dillon)
Date: Tue Jun 19 05:32:40 2001
Subject: [thelist] Need help with cross platform autorun
References: <20010618200543.5019EAB0@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c0f8aa$d8e9bea0$06012cc3@athlon800>

> I've tried the evolt archives and can't find anything about a
> crossplatform autorun, just for windows and not sure how to
> get it to open specifically an html file.

There have been at least 2 threads on this this year... the magic word is
'hybrid', since your bigger problem is not so much getting autostart/run to
work x-platform as creating a true x-platform (or 'hybrid') CD on a PC in
the first place.

Ideally you want only one file in your CD's root - start.htm - and tell your
users (on the CD cover) to open it in their web browser.

However... if you must...

For windows you *could* simply create a text file autorun.inf with this:

[autorun]
open=winopen \start.htm
icon=favicon.ico

But it won't work in all flavours, and will be subject to the user having
their file associations correctly set.  So you need a launcher app (which
still won't be 100% reliable), of which there are many out there, but check
out Karen Kenworthy's site (and archived newsletters) for one plus MUCH more
info about this issue: http://www.karenware.com/

For Mac, if you're using a PC to author, your problems are MUCH bigger than
just getting autostart to work.  The short answer is get a Mac and use Toast
(and this from a PC guy!)   There are a number of PC apps claiming to author
hybrid CDs which don't actually work.  One which does is CDEverywhere (and
check the evolt archives for at least 2 recent threads mentioning this):
http://www.cdeverywhere.com/   Its help files are on-line so you could read
up about it before downloading a trial version.  The help docs are quite
comprehensive but not very intuitive.

Autostarting a file on Mac is even more tricky than on a PC.  Hidden away in
the CDEverywhere changes.txt file is this essential nugget: "Default HTML
creator set to MSIE. HTML files will be opened with IE if installed,
otherwise Netscape will be used. There is no way to autorun the default
browser without creating a special Mac application to do so. This
setup however will start a browser if either IE, Netscape or both are
installed."  IF you set type to HTML and creator to MOSS (Netscape) and a
user does not have NN installed, the Mac won't know what to do and will
display an alert which (in my experience) can annoy/confuse/scare some
users.  Depending on what they do next it may even crash their machine.

My approach now, after much experimentation and copied from a Digit cover
disk, is not to set the Mac autostart, but to use a Mac to create 2 files -
Start in Internet Explorer & Start in Netscape - with appropriate icons,
which I then save to a Mac formatted disk.  On your PC, Transmac (
http://www.asy.com ) will then allow you to read that disk and to set the
types to HTML and the creators to MSIE and MOSS respectively and to save
them to your PC as BinHex (.hqx).  CDEverywhere can then convert them back
to Mac files on the Mac volume of your hybrid CD image.  (If you don't have
access to a MAC you could get someone to create and send you the .hqx
files).  With those two files in the CD root, Mac users should know what to
do.

Finally, it has to be said that because of the security risk, most
experienced users (on any platform) will have disabled autorun, at least for
data CDs.  If they know how (and why) to do that, they'll know how to open
your CD.  So really, you're creating a lot of work for yourself finding a
not 100% reliable solution for (hopefully) a small minority of your target
audience, who would be far better off being advised to disable the feature
you're killing yourself trying to make work.

Good Luck

HTH

George Dillon





From DonM at allensysgroup.com  Tue Jun 19 06:42:00 2001
From: DonM at allensysgroup.com (Don Makoviney)
Date: Tue Jun 19 06:42:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference
Message-ID: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E110473@usnapsmail.asg.com>

VBScript Reference:
I downloaded this little help app, and keep this minimized in my toolbar all
the time. It is a great reference for VBScript Syntax
(watch the line wrapping here)
VBScript Documentation Download
http://msdn.microsoft.com/scripting/default.htm?/scripting/vbscript/techinfo
/vbsdocs.htm

And of course the devguru links that were sent previously are always good.

HTH,

Don M



From leo_wiedersheim at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 19 07:16:50 2001
From: leo_wiedersheim at hotmail.com (Leo Wiedersheim)
Date: Tue Jun 19 07:16:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference
Message-ID: <LAW2-F127T1FM1JOMyQ00003465@hotmail.com>

Here is the Microsoft ASP Objects Quick Reference Card:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/psdk/iisref/iiwaref.htm
Hope that helps,
Leo.
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From cvos at netpaths.net  Tue Jun 19 07:18:34 2001
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Tue Jun 19 07:18:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: Site Promotion
References: <20010619025907.D4E61C49@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3B2F4288.E5804694@netpaths.net>

Excellent list, I have a few modifications of my own:

RE paid promotion  - the only one I personally do, or recommend to my clients is goto.  the rest are
sketchy.  Most search engines (altavista, iwon, canada.com,dogpile,) list the top 2 or 3 goto
results, so NOT paying for goto is a significant loss of traffic.  When creating goto listings, I
try to be explicit with what I am trying to sell and provide a clear description of what the user
will find after clicking the link. there is nothing to gain by tricking the user, it will only cost
you money, and you will loose the visitor as fast as they came.

RE:  keywords - The only META data that have any influence
in public web search engines anymore  is  the META-description and META-keywords. however,
META-keywords are  not a very important a factor anymore. Most search
engines do not give higher rankings to pages with keywords in the
META_keywords tag at all.  It is overblown.

*The title is the most important part of your SEO strategy*.
Titles can have between 6-10 words, but usually less than 8 is preferred.

Also, You have to make sure that you only list keywords that are present in the page.
Some search engines penalize for overuse of keywords in the METAkeywords tag, so I try not to repeat
them.


use the word searcher from goto.com to find what keywords are being utilized

http://inventory.goto.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/


--------------------------------- -------------
I have a client who wants more traffic to their online store. I have
developed lots of sites, but have never really been responsible for their
promotion. I did a little research on my own, and I'd like to ask thelist
what else there is to add:

Search Engine Listings:

1. Don't bother trying to trick or cheat the search engines. Their team of
well paid engineers are smarter than you and your tricks. It's an endless
game of cat and mouse that you do not have the resources to win at.

2. Keep <title>s short. Use "Back Scratcher" as a <title> instead of:
"SuperStore : Product Catalogue : Back : Back Scratcher".

3. Use whatever trick to change your querystrings from:
"index.php?category=1&product=3" to "index/category/1/product/3/".

4. <meta name="keywords"> should contain about a dozen keywords. Keywords
can at most be duplicated, like this: content="back, back scratcher, brush,
hair brush".

5. <meta name="description"> should contain a >50 word description of the
page or at least of the site.

6. Try to get other site owners to create links to your pages, in exchange
for a reciprocal link. The more links a page has pointing to it, the higher
it will rank. This can be significant. Don't waste time trying to cheat
with geocities or whatever.

7. Don't waste time trying to submit your site to the less popular search
engines. The biggies are: Yahoo, Google, Inktomi and DMOZ. Runners up still
worth considering: AltaVista, LookSmart, Lycos and Excite.

All this is basically distilled from here:
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/templates/print_template.htmlt?meta=/we
bmonkey/01/23/index1a_meta.html

Paid Promotion:

Based on my this distillation, it looks like the Yahoo and Google paid
promotions might be the best way to go. I really don't know about this
one - help!?

Cheers,

Beau

Cayley Vos, Principal

360.714.8395 office
360.223.7799 cell

http://NetPaths.net/searchengines
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From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Tue Jun 19 07:21:04 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Tue Jun 19 07:21:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] Affordable ColdFusion hosting
In-Reply-To: <200106190108.SAA06443@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEICEEAJAAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

I've used Media3 for DeathClock for about... oh, 2 years now, maybe a bit
longer. They have worked great, and are pretty cheap.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jason Whitman
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:09 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Affordable ColdFusion hosting
>
>
> Could someone recommend an affordable ColdFusion hosting company for a
> personal/portfolio Web site?  I have a solid ASP hosting company
> (MyHosting.com) but want to get into ColdFusion in my free time.
> Any ideas
> or experience you could share would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Jason
> Editor, Big Fat Site
> http://www.bigfatsite.com
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From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 19 07:33:24 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Tue Jun 19 07:33:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay
Message-ID: <LAW2-F141P3lh9uKwdU000045f4@hotmail.com>

> > 1. New META Tag: "Aesop"
> >
> > If you get nothing else from this article, get this. This new tag is 
>popping up on sites all over the Net and will dramatically change the way 
>people search.

Corporate dribble.

>Beware. The "Aesop Meta Tag" is a proprietary tag of the spider search 
>engine Aesop - see http://www.aesop.com/about.htm . AFAIK no other spider 
>or search engine does recognize their meta tag. There's no documentation on 
>the site what the syntax of the tag would be. To generate an Aesop meta tag 
>you have to give them your email. Ouch. Me thinks it's just a rather lame 
>marketing campaign.

Agree. Besides, don't forget that Aesop was a famous writer of ... fables.

ppk
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From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk  Tue Jun 19 08:06:35 2001
From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins)
Date: Tue Jun 19 08:06:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay
In-Reply-To: <LAW2-F141P3lh9uKwdU000045f4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106191347210.69-100000@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>

> To generate an Aesop meta tag 
> >you have to give them your email. Ouch. Me thinks it's just a rather lame 
> >marketing campaign.
> 
> Agree. Besides, don't forget that Aesop was a famous writer of ... fables.

Has anyone actually tried using it to find anything? I typed in
"microsoft" and got one match from a microsoft site in the first 100
results - www.microsoft.com/italy (in Italian) at number five.

What a joke of a search engine - I sincerely hope no-one is actually
trying to use this thing to find information.

<tip type="unix command" author="Simon Coggins">

Under unix, type the command:

ls -lt | head

to see a list of the most recently modified files.

</tip>


Simon





From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com  Tue Jun 19 09:52:28 2001
From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard)
Date: Tue Jun 19 09:52:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference
References: <3B2EA3E9.C541059B@canada.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c0f8cf$2d869f90$2860398a@newcos.com>

Flavia,

> Could someone please direct me to an ASP reference online? I need a kind
> of quick reference chart on methods, etc...

    One reference that I've found helpful is Microsoft's map of ASP and
scripting objects, available in PDF form. The original document is 22" x
17", so is intended for large-format output. But I found that it is
reasonably readable from a standard letter-size sheet (ymmv):

http://msdn.microsoft.com/voices/news/asp_objm.pdf

    There is also a simplified, lower-resolution gif version:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/voices/news/asp_objm.gif

    Keep in mind, this object map is for ASP 2.0, so it doesn't cover the
small handful of additions in ASP 3.0.

James Aylard




From monserrat at nurun.cl  Tue Jun 19 09:53:18 2001
From: monserrat at nurun.cl (Monse)
Date: Tue Jun 19 09:53:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT-Portfolio
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010619104600.009f05f0@204.231.181.37>

Hi All:

I've been working in the same company over a year, as a senior web 
designer/developer.
I haven't had the time or the need for a Portfolio, but  I'm looking for a 
job someplace else.
I'm not sure were to start from, what goes on it, and what doesn't. I 
wonder if someone could
give me some ideas, and/or URL's of portfolios where I can get some 
inspiration from.
TIA,
Monse

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is to use Fireworks
Batch Process, it will save you a lot of time</tip>

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From roselli at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 19 10:11:29 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Tue Jun 19 10:11:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT-Portfolio
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010619104600.009f05f0@204.231.181.37>
Message-ID: <200106191511.f5JFBOm24481@leo.evolt.org>

> From: Monse <monserrat at nurun.cl>
[...] 
> were to start from, what goes on it, and what doesn't. I wonder if
> someone could give me some ideas, and/or URL's of portfolios where I
> can get some inspiration from. TIA, Monse

well, you can check out mine at http://roselli.org/adrian/...

it's more of a gallery, since i don't need a portfolio... but i do need 
to demonstrate to clients that i know my stuff, so i leave it there for 
their edification... and mine... and apparently yours...

i strongly feel, however, that every portfolio should be unique... it 
should show the designer's sensibilities...




From sales at iibiz.com  Tue Jun 19 10:26:18 2001
From: sales at iibiz.com (sales at iibiz.com)
Date: Tue Jun 19 10:26:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT-Portfolio
References: <200106191511.f5JFBOm24481@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <06cf01c0f8d4$ad01b7a0$4aa0b3c7@iibiz>

OOOOOoooooohhh Aarvark!

I like the way you displayed the Appliance site - with your "original"
design, and then what it looked like after their input!  LOL!  Your original
is much better!  (Didn't have time to go thru all of them....)

This happens to me ALL the time, but all that ends up in my portfolio is the
finished site.  This would also be a great idea when you do a site
re-design - to show the before and after.

Very cool and definitely shows future clients your skills, and how a client
can interfere with the "design" process!

Sandy


----- Original Message -----
From: "aardvark" <roselli at earthlink.net>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] OT-Portfolio


> > From: Monse <monserrat at nurun.cl>
> [...]
> > were to start from, what goes on it, and what doesn't. I wonder if
> > someone could give me some ideas, and/or URL's of portfolios where I
> > can get some inspiration from. TIA, Monse
>
> well, you can check out mine at http://roselli.org/adrian/...
>
> it's more of a gallery, since i don't need a portfolio... but i do need
> to demonstrate to clients that i know my stuff, so i leave it there for
> their edification... and mine... and apparently yours...
>
> i strongly feel, however, that every portfolio should be unique... it
> should show the designer's sensibilities...
>
>
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From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Tue Jun 19 10:52:08 2001
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Tue Jun 19 10:52:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay
Message-ID: <OF85AECC2B.8422554F-ON86256A70.0055F876@na.jci.com>

FWIW, the man behind Aesop is Mark Joyner, he of the "1001 Killer Internet
Marketing Tactics."

I'm not offering that information as a reason not to trust it, though a
search engine site that requires you to give them your e-mail address,
which is run by high-end marketer like that *does* give one pause, at the
very least.

But I've read some of the search engine tactics he's written, and they
don't work in the better search engines. Aesop, for itself, is simply a
spider. Relevance ranking appears to be accidental. When I can search for
and find useful stuff there, I'll consider it further; until then I'll
pass, thank you.

On the general subject of search engine relevance, one of the tactics I
read about lately was to determine relevance by the number of outside
sources which link to a particular page. The basic concept is one of "peer
value." If other webmasters think your site is worth pointing to, then it
must be fairly good, so it rises in the ranks farther than one which is not
linked. I'm not sure about this; would it cause weblogs (among whom the
practice of blog-rolling is time-honored) to rise to the top of the
rankings?

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
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Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.
If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.




From jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk  Tue Jun 19 11:10:18 2001
From: jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk (Jon Haworth)
Date: Tue Jun 19 11:10:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay
Message-ID: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F53FBC7@BOOTROS>

I just went there, and stuck in a spamtrap address. I also took a screen
grab of their privacy policy ("Any information you give to us is
confidential and will only be used by this organisation in the way you
request.... Your information will never be given to or sold to a third party
for any reason whatsoever").

Wait and see, I guess. LART on standby.

Cheers
Jon


-----Original Message-----
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com [mailto:Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com]
Sent: 19 June 2001 16:49
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay


FWIW, the man behind Aesop is Mark Joyner, he of the "1001 Killer Internet
Marketing Tactics."

I'm not offering that information as a reason not to trust it, though a
search engine site that requires you to give them your e-mail address,
which is run by high-end marketer like that *does* give one pause, at the
very least.


**********************************************************************
'The information included in this Email is of a confidential nature and is 
intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, 
any disclosure, copying or distribution by you is prohibited and may be 
unlawful. Disclosure to any party other than the addressee, whether 
inadvertent or otherwise is not intended to waive privilege or confidentiality'

**********************************************************************



From Andy.Waite at company-net.com  Tue Jun 19 11:17:53 2001
From: Andy.Waite at company-net.com (Andy Waite)
Date: Tue Jun 19 11:17:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay
Message-ID: <487361A25F5FD511B60700C04F1FFD23053DB8@EXCHANGE>

>1. New META Tag: "Aesop"

I like the idea in principle, but the six categories they have are just far
too blurry. I can think of many sites that would fall into all of the first
5:

Sales
Interactive
Multimedia
Links to Information
Information 
Personal

A self-categorisation system would be useful though - it would no longer be
necessary to manually submit pages to directories such as DMoz, --every page
of your site could be automatically added to the appropriate category. A
search for 'Dewey Decimal Web' on Google leads to some interesting articles.
(Dewey Decimal is the categorisation system used by libraries).

--
Andy Waite <andy.waite at company-net.co.uk>
Database Web Developer, Company Net



From richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk  Tue Jun 19 11:23:34 2001
From: richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk (Richard H. Morris)
Date: Tue Jun 19 11:23:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Font Help
Message-ID: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMEEBPEPAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>

I like the look of the Techno font installed on my iMac and I wondered if
there was an equivalent TT font for the PC?

I've tried various searches, but most sites list Techno as a style of font
encompassing many different modern or sci-fi looking fonts.  What I'm trying
to find is the PC TT version of the font installed on my iMac!

Any ideas?

Is there a way to find out more about the font installed, such as who owns
it?

MTIA

Richard

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
Richard. H. Morris, Web Designers Limited
~~ http://www.web-designers.co.uk ~~
"I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me
          than a full frontal lobotomy"
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From beau at members.evolt.org  Tue Jun 19 11:25:28 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Tue Jun 19 11:25:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site Promotion
In-Reply-To: <3B2F4288.E5804694@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKOEBLCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>

Check this out (from Inktomi):
http://www.inktomi.com/products/search/partners/web_partners.html

So I'd like to revise (7):

Free listings:
Yahoo.com (if you're lucky and non-profit)
Google.com (free, used by yahoo for web search)
Inktomi.com (free, used by many [see above] for web search)
DMOZ.org (free, used by many for directory search)

If you have some spare time:
Lycos.com (free)
AltaVista.com (free)
Excite.com (free)

Paid listings:
GoTo.com ($?? top paid results shown on many once-popular search engines)
Yahoo.com ($199 for shopping and services submission)
LookSmart ($99 for basic submission, the directory is featured on msn,
excite, altavista)
Google.com ($8-$15 for paid ad)

So, based on your experience, the GoTo.com placement is the only one worth
paying for? What else have you tried?

Thanks,

Beau

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Cayley Vos
Sent: June 19, 2001 5:16 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Re: Site Promotion

[snip]

RE paid promotion  - the only one I personally do, or recommend to my
clients is goto.  the rest are
sketchy.  Most search engines (altavista, iwon, canada.com,dogpile,) list
the top 2 or 3 goto
results, so NOT paying for goto is a significant loss of traffic.  When
creating goto listings, I
try to be explicit with what I am trying to sell and provide a clear
description of what the user
will find after clicking the link. there is nothing to gain by tricking the
user, it will only cost
you money, and you will loose the visitor as fast as they came.

[snip]




From Julia_Frizzell at brown.edu  Tue Jun 19 11:43:43 2001
From: Julia_Frizzell at brown.edu (Julia Frizzell)
Date: Tue Jun 19 11:43:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Font Help
In-Reply-To:  <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMEEBPEPAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>
References:  <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMEEBPEPAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p04330100b7552ee1bdb1@[128.148.108.209]>

At 3:34 PM +0100 6/19/01, Richard H. Morris wrote:
>I like the look of the Techno font installed on my iMac and I wondered if
>there was an equivalent TT font for the PC?
>
>I've tried various searches, but most sites list Techno as a style of font
>encompassing many different modern or sci-fi looking fonts.  What I'm trying
>to find is the PC TT version of the font installed on my iMac!
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Is there a way to find out more about the font installed, such as who owns
>it?

I don't know about that, but you can convert the font to a PC font if 
you want, using a program called TTConverter (it's for the Mac).

http://www.eskimo.com/~pristine/font.html

It's alphabetical by program name, so it's near the bottom of the page.

-- 
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glyneth at netspace.org                                      ICQ: 8458071
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whole mood playground." -- Charles Rosenblum



From david_shadovitz at xontech.com  Tue Jun 19 12:14:43 2001
From: david_shadovitz at xontech.com (David Shadovitz)
Date: Tue Jun 19 12:14:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML table alternating row problem
Message-ID: <3B2F896F.9A499A76@xontech.com>

Michele et al,

I should've mentioned that this work is on a secure intranet, so I
cannot point you to it.

I've made some progress, though.  The mention of classes was a red
herring.  The problem is that some of the table cells contain forms, and
Netscape seems to have trouble with *some* of these forms.

Perhaps someone can give me the lowdown on Netscape and forms within
tables.

Thanks.
-David
======================================

David,

Can we see what you have in your CSS file for the three classes
indicated.
Or a URL.  That may help to narrow down the problem.

Michele


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Shadovitz" <david_shadovitz at xontech.com>

| The classes are defined in an external style sheet.  The main purpose
of
| the data0 and data1 classes is to set the background color.  Users
| report that the "data1" rows look fine, but the "data0" rows are
| invisible - there's no data, and the rows' background color is the
same
| as the page's background color.  If these users view the page's source

| code, it looks fine.




From rob_goodyear at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 19 12:32:44 2001
From: rob_goodyear at yahoo.com (Robert Goodyear)
Date: Tue Jun 19 12:32:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML table alternating row problem
In-Reply-To: <3B2F896F.9A499A76@xontech.com>
Message-ID: <20010619173033.28523.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com>

I've had issues with form fields (especially TEXTAREA) within CSS styles in Netscape. My
workaround was to close the style then call the TEXTAREA then open the style again. This
may not work for you, or there may be a much more elegant solution, but it fixed my
problem with Netscape in a hurry.

/rg


--- David Shadovitz <david_shadovitz at xontech.com> wrote:
> Michele et al,
> 
> I should've mentioned that this work is on a secure intranet, so I
> cannot point you to it.
> 
> I've made some progress, though.  The mention of classes was a red
> herring.  The problem is that some of the table cells contain forms, and
> Netscape seems to have trouble with *some* of these forms.
> 
> Perhaps someone can give me the lowdown on Netscape and forms within
> tables.
> 
> Thanks.
> -David
> ======================================
> 
> David,
> 
> Can we see what you have in your CSS file for the three classes
> indicated.
> Or a URL.  That may help to narrow down the problem.
> 
> Michele
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Shadovitz" <david_shadovitz at xontech.com>
> 
> | The classes are defined in an external style sheet.  The main purpose
> of
> | the data0 and data1 classes is to set the background color.  Users
> | report that the "data1" rows look fine, but the "data0" rows are
> | invisible - there's no data, and the rows' background color is the
> same
> | as the page's background color.  If these users view the page's source
> 
> | code, it looks fine.
> 
> 
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From lmichelle at grownmencry.com  Tue Jun 19 12:49:10 2001
From: lmichelle at grownmencry.com (LMichelle)
Date: Tue Jun 19 12:49:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] Site Review
Message-ID: <p0510030fb7553d6c4a97@[198.144.204.71]>

Hey Rachell,

For me, the Home, Services, etc. was hard to read.  You might 
consider all caps or a brighter color for the text in your nav. 
Also, the phone number would probably be better served somewhere at 
the bottom and make the email addy a graphic in your nav like Home, 
Services, etc.  My two cents.

BTW you might find this 'greeking' useful text substitution in your comps:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, comsect quis nostrud exercitation ullam 
corp consquet, vel illum dolore eu fugat execeptur sisint occaecat 
cupiri tat non. Nam liber tempor cum soluta nobis. Temporibud autem 
quinsud et aur delectus ut ayt prefer endis dolorib. At ille pellit 
sensar luptae epicur semp in indutial
genelation. What gitur comtion vel illum dolore eu fugat.

Michelle
-- 
Makes Grown Men Cry
Inflatable Sheep and Other Passing Fancies
http://www.grownmencry.com/lmichelle/sheep.html



From richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk  Tue Jun 19 14:24:52 2001
From: richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk (Richard H. Morris)
Date: Tue Jun 19 14:24:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Font Help
In-Reply-To: <p04330100b7552ee1bdb1@[128.148.108.209]>
Message-ID: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMGECEEPAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>

Julia Frizzell [Julia_Frizzell at brown.edu] suggested:

> -----Original Message-----
> I don't know about that, but you can convert the font to a PC font if
> you want, using a program called TTConverter (it's for the Mac).
>
> http://www.eskimo.com/~pristine/font.html
>
> It's alphabetical by program name, so it's near the bottom of the page.

Well, it's not what I had in mind, and unfortunately it did not generate a
valid TTF font (it says here on Windows 2000 Professional).

Drat!

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
Richard. H. Morris, Web Designers Limited
~~ http://www.web-designers.co.uk ~~
"I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me
          than a full frontal lobotomy"
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From sam at sam-i-am.com  Tue Jun 19 15:34:47 2001
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Tue Jun 19 15:34:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
Message-ID: <3B2FB706.3AC7DBC2@sam-i-am.com>

hi there, 

Does anyone know a way to export/copy the slice information from one
file to another?
Or failing that copy many layers (intact, not flattened/merged) from one
file to another. 
in Photoshop 6 ideally. I'm trying to update a file with a revised
design. The names, dimensions and optimizations are all basically the
same. 

Ordinarily I'd just flatten the new comp and paste it in on top of the
old.. but I'd like to keep the layers this time (and there are many)

(and BTW Has anyone actually got an efficient graphic producion process
working with PSP6?)

Sam



From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com  Tue Jun 19 15:56:53 2001
From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Tue Jun 19 15:56:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A06FCF9C7@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hi Gang,


I'm trying to get my feet wet by setting up an MS 'development environment'
on a win2k box.

IIS seems to be running fine.  I can run a small ASP test page with no
problem.

Visual InterDev 6.0 seems to be working - it comes up anyway.

But I can't start a new 'project' in Visual InterDev because it isn't
recognizing my server name.  I type it in and get a worthless hex error.

I downloaded the latest Visual Studio service pack 5 patch and installed it
... nada.


Any clues?


RonL.




From spalmisano at usaiss.com  Tue Jun 19 16:05:09 2001
From: spalmisano at usaiss.com (Salvatore Palmisano)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:05:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes
In-Reply-To: <F1B92B253AF9D3119DEA0090273EF9DD262AB2@ISSDC2>
Message-ID: <F1B92B253AF9D3119DEA0090273EF9DD1D3877@ISSDC2>

What (specific) error messages are you getting and where?  When clicking on
"New Project" or opening VID, etc.

--Sal

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Luther, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:54 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes


Hi Gang,


But I can't start a new 'project' in Visual InterDev because it isn't
recognizing my server name.  I type it in and get a worthless hex error.

RonL.




From Matt at grndwtr.com  Tue Jun 19 16:05:53 2001
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:05:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AE94@mail1>

Try a solution from the evil empire ...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q220/1/66.ASP

Good luck!
Matthias
-----Original Message-----
From: Luther, Ron [mailto:Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 16:54
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes


Hi Gang,


I'm trying to get my feet wet by setting up an MS 'development environment'
on a win2k box.

IIS seems to be running fine.  I can run a small ASP test page with no
problem.

Visual InterDev 6.0 seems to be working - it comes up anyway.

But I can't start a new 'project' in Visual InterDev because it isn't
recognizing my server name.  I type it in and get a worthless hex error.

I downloaded the latest Visual Studio service pack 5 patch and installed it
... nada.


Any clues?


RonL.


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From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com  Tue Jun 19 16:14:08 2001
From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:14:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A06FCF9C8@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hi Sal,


Using Visual InterDev, I click file -> new project and give it a name and a
location in an existing directory.

I click "open" and I'm taken to page 1 of 4 in the 'web project wizard'
where it asks me "What server do you want to use?" [which presents me with a
blank drop-down box].

I type in my server name "barsoom" or some nonesuch and select either
"master mode" or "local mode" and press "Next".  (Same thing happens either
way.)

A very brief "Contacting web server..." message pops up and an instant later
I get a fatal error "Method not allowed(Error code = 80070005)".


It doesn't seem to recognize my server.

Does that help diagnosis any?

RonL.

-----Original Message-----
From: Salvatore Palmisano [mailto:spalmisano at usaiss.com]

What (specific) error messages are you getting and where?  When clicking on
"New Project" or opening VID, etc.




From cwilliams at compumodules.com  Tue Jun 19 16:18:44 2001
From: cwilliams at compumodules.com (Chris Williams)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:18:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
In-Reply-To: <3B2FB706.3AC7DBC2@sam-i-am.com>
Message-ID: <FGEKIJDCADEFEBGHPLJKGEGMCDAA.cwilliams@compumodules.com>

If you are using fireworks, or image ready or whatever, I think you can
delete all the images and save the file with only the slices, and name it
something like *template_blank*.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Sam-I-Am
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:33 PM
To: evolt list
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3


hi there,

Does anyone know a way to export/copy the slice information from one
file to another?
Or failing that copy many layers (intact, not flattened/merged) from one
file to another.
in Photoshop 6 ideally. I'm trying to update a file with a revised
design. The names, dimensions and optimizations are all basically the
same.

Ordinarily I'd just flatten the new comp and paste it in on top of the
old.. but I'd like to keep the layers this time (and there are many)

(and BTW Has anyone actually got an efficient graphic producion process
working with PSP6?)

Sam

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From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com  Tue Jun 19 16:18:49 2001
From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:18:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A06FCF9C9@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Whoa!

I think we have a winner.

You are correct Matthias - I did not have FP extensions loaded.

Dang! <sigh> I guess I will load them in and see what happens.


Thanks!

RonL.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Ritzkowski [mailto:Matt at grndwtr.com]

Try a solution from the evil empire ...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q220/1/66.ASP




From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Tue Jun 19 16:19:34 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:19:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339CA@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Ron:

Symptoms seem to point to FrontPage extensions per this article

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q272/2/89.ASP

Love the server name.

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Luther, Ron [mailto:Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:12 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes


Hi Sal,


Using Visual InterDev, I click file -> new project and give it a name and a
location in an existing directory.

I click "open" and I'm taken to page 1 of 4 in the 'web project wizard'
where it asks me "What server do you want to use?" [which presents me with a
blank drop-down box].

I type in my server name "barsoom" or some nonesuch and select either
"master mode" or "local mode" and press "Next".  (Same thing happens either
way.)

A very brief "Contacting web server..." message pops up and an instant later
I get a fatal error "Method not allowed(Error code = 80070005)".


It doesn't seem to recognize my server.

Does that help diagnosis any?

RonL.

-----Original Message-----
From: Salvatore Palmisano [mailto:spalmisano at usaiss.com]

What (specific) error messages are you getting and where?  When clicking on
"New Project" or opening VID, etc.



From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Tue Jun 19 16:23:29 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:23:29 2001
Subject: FrontPage Server Extensions - are they REALLY necessary? (was RE:
	 [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes)
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339CB@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Hey! That looks like the same content in a different article.

Ron, if you'd really really like to work without FPSE installed, you can
play with ASP without InterDev. At your level, it's not a big leap (that
means if I can do it even at my junior level, you shouldn't have any
trouble.) I've lived without 'em for quite a while.

Anyone know of a downside to my steadfast refusal to load the FrontPage
extensions on our web servers? Obviously, we're not using FrontPage or
making it available to anyone here internally or they'd be installed.

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Luther, Ron [mailto:Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:16 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes


Whoa!

I think we have a winner.

You are correct Matthias - I did not have FP extensions loaded.

Dang! <sigh> I guess I will load them in and see what happens.


Thanks!

RonL.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Ritzkowski [mailto:Matt at grndwtr.com]

Try a solution from the evil empire ...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q220/1/66.ASP



From spalmisano at usaiss.com  Tue Jun 19 16:26:55 2001
From: spalmisano at usaiss.com (Salvatore Palmisano)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:26:55 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes
In-Reply-To: <F1B92B253AF9D3119DEA0090273EF9DD262AC5@ISSDC2>
Message-ID: <F1B92B253AF9D3119DEA0090273EF9DD1D3878@ISSDC2>

Im not as quick on the draw as I used to be I guess (two other correct
answers came already), but Im gonna type it anyway:

Do you have FPSE installed?  VID requires them to function properly.
Here's the KB article:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q272/2/89.ASP

--Sal

Hi Sal,

A very brief "Contacting web server..." message pops up and an instant later
I get a fatal error "Method not allowed(Error code = 80070005)".

RonL.




From sgd at ti3.com  Tue Jun 19 16:35:21 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:35:21 2001
Subject: FrontPage Server Extensions - are they REALLY necessary? (was
	 RE: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes)
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB32111724930BF@gate.ti3.com>

> 
> Anyone know of a downside to my steadfast refusal to load the 
> FrontPage
> extensions on our web servers? Obviously, we're not using FrontPage or
> making it available to anyone here internally or they'd be installed.
> 

On production servers, never ever use em. On development servers, they're
not too bad. If you care about source control, using them in conjunction
with SourceSafe on the server is grand (and you *are* using some sort of
source control, yes?). If you're using InterDev for your IDE, I don't know
why you'd /not/ use em. But, if you have your guys comfy with the process
you have, yer done....

How do you debug your pages? IIRC, with InterDev the FP Extensions are
required to do server-side debugging (I'm enlightened if I'm wrong =) )

I for one don't understand the aversion to them (on development servers).
Seems that the (understandable) bad taste from the FP editor spreads to the
extensions. InterDev<--FP Extensions-->IIS is not only stable, but quite
workable and transparent. Yeah there are gizmos and code-bloat generating
snippets that MS would love for you to use, but noone said you have to (I
don't) ....

sgd



From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com  Tue Jun 19 16:48:16 2001
From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:48:16 2001
Subject: FrontPage Server Extensions - are they REALLY necessary? (was
	 RE: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes)
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060145F176@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hi Joel,


I hear ya!  I hear ya!   I'd love to stay away from these things too! 

Unfortunately, it's not my call this time   ;-(     

It's a "politics" thang.  This is for a machine in my office.

I've kinda been drafted to "touch up" the boss's boss's site ... which is
owned by some folks who are "requiring" access to the code through Visual
InterDev and Visual Source Safe... with modifications tested on your local
machine - hence the need to set it up "their" way.

... and so it goes ...

RonL.

BTW - I finally stopped over at spinhead ... needs a "friendly photo", dude!
Hey - maybe we can both swipe Gina's picture!    ;-)   Shhhh - don't tell
her!


... and in atonement
<tip type="python" author="RonL.">
You can't ever have too much documentation, now can you?

Check out the Python cookbook over at
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python

It's a collaboration between ActiveState and O'Reilly.  (That's enough to
make it worth checking out right there!)

While you're there - pick up Python and take a testdrive!
</tip>

-----Original Message-----
From: Canfield, Joel [mailto:JCanfield at magisnetworks.com]

Anyone know of a downside to my steadfast refusal to load the FrontPage
extensions on our web servers? Obviously, we're not using FrontPage or
making it available to anyone here internally or they'd be installed.




From martin at members.evolt.org  Tue Jun 19 16:50:27 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:50:27 2001
Subject: FrontPage Server Extensions - are they REALLY necessary? (was	 RE: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes)
Message-ID: <075eb3350211361PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk>

Scott Dexter wrote on 19/6/01 10:32 pm

>InterDev<--FP Extensions-->IIS is not only stable, but quite
>workable and transparent. 

Don't know if this is the case with current versions of FP,
FP Extensions, InterDev & IIS, but trying to open the same
project in FP and ID would lead to all kinds of issues around
permissions, locking etc.

2 InterDev users, or 2 FrontPage users - no problem. It
was mixing them.

Cheers
Martin

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From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Tue Jun 19 16:54:47 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:54:47 2001
Subject: FrontPage Server Extensions - are they REALLY necessary? (was
	 RE: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes)
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339CD@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Mostly a matter of neatness, not wanting to deal with all the extra files
and folders. We have a very dynamic environment, and our intranet has been
moved four times in a year. Every move/copy/whatever takes just that much
longer or is just a bit messier 'cause of the extra layer to the file
structure.

Not a serious concern in the long run, but since we're not using either
InterDev or FP, as you mentioned, we'll just work the way we are. Good to
know that ID require's 'em though, in case someone moves that way in the
future.

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Dexter [mailto:sgd at ti3.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:33 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: FrontPage Server Extensions - are they REALLY necessary?
(was RE: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes)


<snip>
I for one don't understand the aversion to them (on development servers).
</snip>



From sgd at ti3.com  Tue Jun 19 16:59:33 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Tue Jun 19 16:59:33 2001
Subject: FrontPage Server Extensions - are they REALLY necessary? (was
	 RE: [thelist] MS Visual Studio & IIS Woes)
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB32111724930C1@gate.ti3.com>

> Mostly a matter of neatness, not wanting to deal with all the 
> extra files

fair 'nuf

> and folders. We have a very dynamic environment, and our 
> intranet has been
> moved four times in a year. Every move/copy/whatever takes 

ouch. How's about stabilizing that intranet? ;)

sgd

<tip>
To get IIS5 (Win2K) and InterDev to really like each other when debugging,
make sure the application you're hitting is set to run in its own memory
space (High (isolated))
</tip>




From bev at enso-company.com  Tue Jun 19 17:00:18 2001
From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin)
Date: Tue Jun 19 17:00:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] Talking Browsers & Related Web Accessability Stuff
References: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AE94@mail1>
Message-ID: <077001c0f90b$734f7ec0$a2b999cf@beverly8n5gg7i>

Hi Evolters,

I found these on your website:

http://browsers.evolt.org/index.cfm/dir/talking_browser/

http://browsers.evolt.org/index.cfm/dir/videoonline/

http://browsers.evolt.org/index.cfm/dir/web-talkit/

Does anyone have a live sample of where any of these tools (or other similar
tools) have been working successfully on a site somewhere?

I'm also very interested in suggestions for similar, related web
accesability tools.

Thanks in advance,
Bev






From fayec at canada.com  Tue Jun 19 17:16:09 2001
From: fayec at canada.com (Flavia Silveira-Tarzwell (FayeC))
Date: Tue Jun 19 17:16:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] ASP Reference
References: <3B2EA3E9.C541059B@canada.com>
Message-ID: <3B2FCEAF.17CCBAE9@canada.com>

Thank you to all who sent me links :)


"Flavia Silveira-Tarzwell (FayeC)" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Could someone please direct me to an ASP reference online? I need a kind
> of quick reference chart on methods, etc...
> I have ASP books here but none came with a quick reference chart.
> Another thing is....although I know the basic concept of programming in
> general and just started some ASP programming I still get a little
> confused with definitions and hierarchy in ASP and VBScript...Can
> someone give me an address where I can find these answers?
> I really appreciate any help and as soon as I know enough I will be
> posting some tips in return.
>



From sam at sam-i-am.com  Tue Jun 19 17:17:05 2001
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Tue Jun 19 17:17:05 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
References: <FGEKIJDCADEFEBGHPLJKGEGMCDAA.cwilliams@compumodules.com>
Message-ID: <3B2FCF05.7A65D581@sam-i-am.com>

Chris Williams wrote:
> 
> If you are using fireworks, or image ready or whatever, I think you can
> delete all the images and save the file with only the slices, and name it
> something like *template_blank*.
> 

but how do I get my new comp (with it's 70+ layers) into this template?
Seems like it ought to be easier to export the slices, but I'm looking
for any kind of solution at this point. 
Actually if I could convert the slices into an image map, I have a perl
script that will convert that back into slices (in a new or existing
file -- it just creates an action that you can run in IR/PSP)
I lose my compression info, but its a start.

anyhow, thanks,
Sam



From beau at pair.com  Tue Jun 19 17:19:04 2001
From: beau at pair.com (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Tue Jun 19 17:19:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] Strange Logfile Entries
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAECACDAA.beau@pair.com>

I've seen this pop up in a few of my logfiles. Is it some type of hack
attempt?

/scripts/..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af/w
innt/system32/cmd.exe

Cheers,

Beau




From mail at redhotsweeps.com  Tue Jun 19 17:26:19 2001
From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty)
Date: Tue Jun 19 17:26:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] Strange Logfile Entries
In-Reply-To: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAECACDAA.beau@pair.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010619172458.00afb2c0@redhotsweeps.com>

They are trying to hack into your system using NT vulnerabilities.

CDitty

At 05:16 PM 6/19/2001, you wrote:
>I've seen this pop up in a few of my logfiles. Is it some type of hack
>attempt?
>
>/scripts/..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af/w
>innt/system32/cmd.exe
>
>Cheers,
>
>Beau
>
>
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From beau at members.evolt.org  Tue Jun 19 18:13:53 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:13:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] Strange Logfile Entries
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010619172458.00afb2c0@redhotsweeps.com>
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKKECACDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>

I guess I'm lucky that I'm not running NT/Solaris. It's actually a worm,
here's cert's description that I found:

http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-11.html

Beau

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of CDitty
Sent: June 19, 2001 3:26 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Strange Logfile Entries


They are trying to hack into your system using NT vulnerabilities.

CDitty

At 05:16 PM 6/19/2001, you wrote:
>I've seen this pop up in a few of my logfiles. Is it some type of hack
>attempt?
>
>/scripts/..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af..%c0%af/
w
>innt/system32/cmd.exe
>
>Cheers,
>
>Beau
>
>
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From alligotar at gmx.net  Tue Jun 19 18:30:08 2001
From: alligotar at gmx.net (Master Web)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:30:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT - Mentioning of units
References: <3B194217.5346.3249D35@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B2FE002.48AD3194@gmx.net>

morn gang:

One thing: _DO_ add the unit you are thinking - speaking sloppy in
your closest circles (i. e. family, co-workers etc) and implying _one_ unit
refering to is okay, but in broader cricles it may be a bit complicated.

After the debate on the limits of I am asking you to do us all a favor:
Could
you pleeease add the unit you are refering to? The problem is, 90k can be
*anything* - if you're thinking of 90k\underline{\emph{\bold{bytes}}} or if
you are thinking of 90k monetary units - just say what you are meaning.
BTW: If you still don't know: k as sign for thousand is _not_ written in
capitals. 

Thanks,

Jakob D?lling

<tip author="Jakob Doelling">
If you have no idea how to code complex table enviroments, it is easier to
un easier making a drawn outline of the planned table - the actual coding
is the easiest thing. This is in principle the same as the storyboarding of
a site, but focussing on a detail
</tip>
-- 
To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the
mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms
against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then?
;>

Contact:
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/Jakob D?lling     \/EMail:     mailto:alligott at yahoo.com      \/
<>Treuerzipfel 13   <>ICQ #:     47326203                       <>
/\D-38678 Clausthal /\ICQ pager: mailto:47326203 at pager.icq.com  /\
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
/\Webmaster of http://www.bank-ic.de/                           /\
\/--------------------------------------------------------------\/



From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Tue Jun 19 18:34:42 2001
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:34:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] AOL email
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010619192709.01e72050@mail.idirect.ca>

What limitations exist in the AOL email program in regards to HTML 
email?  I'm creating an HTML email newsletter for a friend who is using AOL 
and they are having difficulty seeing the letter.  Since I can't see their 
system I'm drawing a blank as to what can be done.  Should there be 2 HTML 
newsletters created, 1 for AOL and 1 for the rest of us?
Peter Kaulback




From seth at sethbienek.com  Tue Jun 19 18:40:28 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:40:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] Oracle, Sun grind MS into Java
Message-ID: <004d01c0f918$b9afc750$2f01010a@dti2>


This is interesting.  Anyone know anything about it?

Oracle and Sun Microsystems have teamed up to try to snatch away Microsoft's customers. 
-------------------------------
"The new software tools will translate Microsoft Active Server Pages (ASPs) into Java Server Pages (JSPs) without forcing developers to rewrite their software code."


-----------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Digitaris Technologies, Inc.
tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103
fax (972) 690-0617
icq 7673959
----------------------------------- 





From lindsay at redsquare.com.au  Tue Jun 19 18:45:23 2001
From: lindsay at redsquare.com.au (Lindsay Evans)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:45:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] Oracle, Sun grind MS into Java
In-Reply-To: <004d01c0f918$b9afc750$2f01010a@dti2>
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCHLKELHFDMNAHNIEKODFAA.lindsay@redsquare.com.au>

Do you have a url for this?

I'd say that for simple applications it would be possible to do, but
anything using custom COM objects, it would grind to a screaming halt.

Converting dlls to java code just don't work...

--
 Lindsay Evans.
 Production Artist/Coder,
 Red Square Productions.

 vox: 8596.4000
 fax: 8596.4001
 web: www.redsquare.com.au

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Seth Bienek
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:37 AM
To: Thelist at Lists. Evolt. Org
Subject: [thelist] Oracle, Sun grind MS into Java


This is interesting.  Anyone know anything about it?

Oracle and Sun Microsystems have teamed up to try to snatch away Microsoft's
customers.
-------------------------------
"The new software tools will translate Microsoft Active Server Pages (ASPs)
into Java Server Pages (JSPs) without forcing developers to rewrite their
software code."




From seth at sethbienek.com  Tue Jun 19 18:49:09 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:49:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] Oracle, Sun grind MS into Java
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJCHLKELHFDMNAHNIEKODFAA.lindsay@redsquare.com.au>
Message-ID: <004e01c0f919$d0324d30$2f01010a@dti2>

> Do you have a url for this?

DOH!  Forgot the URL...

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092884,00.html

Regards,

Seth
-----------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Digitaris Technologies, Inc.
tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103
fax (972) 690-0617
icq 7673959
----------------------------------- 





From jcrawford at avencom.com  Tue Jun 19 18:49:13 2001
From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:49:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] Oracle, Sun grind MS into Java
References: <NEBBKJCHLKELHFDMNAHNIEKODFAA.lindsay@redsquare.com.au>
Message-ID: <3B2FE446.3A824AA8@avencom.com>

Lindsay Evans wrote:
> Do you have a url for this?

Looks like:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6313626.html

> I'd say that for simple applications it would be possible to do, but
> anything using custom COM objects, it would grind to a screaming halt.
> 
> Converting dlls to java code just don't work...

Previously written:
> This is interesting.  Anyone know anything about it?
> 
> Oracle and Sun Microsystems have teamed up to try to snatch away Microsoft's
> customers.
> -------------------------------
> "The new software tools will translate Microsoft Active Server Pages (ASPs)
> into Java Server Pages (JSPs) without forcing developers to rewrite their
> software code."


	- Joe <http://artlung.com/>
-- 
...................  Joe Crawford \\ Web Design & Development
.....  mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com \\ http://www.avencom.com
.... San Diego \\ CA \\ USA \\ AVENCOM: Set Your Sites Higher



From mail at redhotsweeps.com  Tue Jun 19 18:49:23 2001
From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:49:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] AOL email
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010619192709.01e72050@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010619184835.01da07b8@redhotsweeps.com>

If you want, I have an AOL account that you can send to.  I'll do a screen 
capture for you.  Let me know if you are interested.

Chris

At 06:32 PM 6/19/2001, you wrote:
>What limitations exist in the AOL email program in regards to HTML 
>email?  I'm creating an HTML email newsletter for a friend who is using 
>AOL and they are having difficulty seeing the letter.  Since I can't see 
>their system I'm drawing a blank as to what can be done.  Should there be 
>2 HTML newsletters created, 1 for AOL and 1 for the rest of us?
>Peter Kaulback
>
>
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From bev at enso-company.com  Tue Jun 19 18:59:49 2001
From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin)
Date: Tue Jun 19 18:59:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] AOL email
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010619192709.01e72050@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <080301c0f91c$26fcb4f0$a2b999cf@beverly8n5gg7i>

I've run into this problem with AOL when sending any graphic files,
attachments, especially double byte multilingual text.   For some reason,
if the text is not sent within the AOL network its corrupted by the
firewall.  This is a problem for multilingual html, text, email, and
attachments.  The only solution I came up with was to get an AOL account
just for clients who have AOL,  and in some cases, set up ftp sites for them
to download the information.   I would suggest also setting your newsletter
up on your website,  then forward the URL,  or set up a PDF document that
they can download.

Best wishes,
Bev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kaulback" <pkaulbak at idirect.ca>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:32 PM
Subject: [thelist] AOL email


> What limitations exist in the AOL email program in regards to HTML
> email?  I'm creating an HTML email newsletter for a friend who is using
AOL
> and they are having difficulty seeing the letter.  Since I can't see their
> system I'm drawing a blank as to what can be done.  Should there be 2 HTML
> newsletters created, 1 for AOL and 1 for the rest of us?
> Peter Kaulback
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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>




From ToddManaze at ev1.net  Tue Jun 19 19:09:45 2001
From: ToddManaze at ev1.net (Todd)
Date: Tue Jun 19 19:09:45 2001
Subject: [thelist] php and my sql
Message-ID: <002401c0f92f$15e719e0$06c128d8@manaze>

I am trying to connect to mySQL but i am having trouble.

$user = "manaze";
$pass = "password";
$db =  "manaze";
$link = mysql_connect( "localhost", $user, $pass );
if ( ! $link )
 die( "Couldnt Connect" );
print "connected<p>";
mysql_select_db( $db)
 or die( " couldnt open $ db: " .mysql_error() );
print " succesfully selected database \"$db\"<p>";
mysql_close( $link );




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From Manaze8m at ev1.net  Tue Jun 19 19:29:21 2001
From: Manaze8m at ev1.net (Todd)
Date: Tue Jun 19 19:29:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] php and my sql
References: <002401c0f92f$15e719e0$06c128d8@manaze>
Message-ID: <003b01c0f931$d1751980$06c128d8@manaze>

I found the problem, the user name was case sensitive. "Manaze" 





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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd" <ToddManaze at ev1.net>
To: "theList" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: [thelist] php and my sql


> I am trying to connect to mySQL but i am having trouble.
> 
> $user = "manaze";
> $pass = "password";
> $db =  "manaze";
> $link = mysql_connect( "localhost", $user, $pass );
> if ( ! $link )
>  die( "Couldnt Connect" );
> print "connected<p>";
> mysql_select_db( $db)
>  or die( " couldnt open $ db: " .mysql_error() );
> print " succesfully selected database \"$db\"<p>";
> mysql_close( $link );
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Todd Manaze           
> www.manaze.8m.com   
> [Design | Hosting | Flash | Branding | Illustration]
> www.brewermc.com
> Web solutions for small business
> 
> 
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From ToddManaze at ev1.net  Tue Jun 19 19:51:17 2001
From: ToddManaze at ev1.net (Todd)
Date: Tue Jun 19 19:51:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP need a lil help.
Message-ID: <000901c0f934$e32089f0$06c128d8@manaze>

I am looking for someone who knows php and uses Aim.  So, I can ask a few
question now and then while I am trying to learn php. would anyone here be
willing to help out?



my handle on aim is "Mr.Manaze" thanks




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From ToddManaze at ev1.net  Tue Jun 19 20:03:02 2001
From: ToddManaze at ev1.net (Todd)
Date: Tue Jun 19 20:03:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] php
Message-ID: <000701c0f936$8797da00$06c128d8@manaze>

<?
$user = "Manaze";
$pass = "MyPSW";
$db =  "Manaze";
$link = mysql_connect( "localhost", $user, $pass );
if ( ! $link )
 die( "Couldnt Connect" );
mysql_select_db( $db, $link )
 or die( " couldnt open $db: " .mysql_error() );
$query = "INSERT INTO domains (domain, sex, mail )
 values( '123xyz.com', 'F', test at whatec.com' );
 mysql_query( $query, $link )
//I get a parse error here
 or die ( "Couldn't add data to table: ".mysql_error() );
 mysql_close( $link );
?>





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From doshea at surfree.com  Tue Jun 19 20:28:09 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Tue Jun 19 20:28:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay  [OT]
In-Reply-To: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINCELJCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINEEMECDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

I've got two choices. Pout and rant about how the world of Evolt is against
me after posting this article, or:

Appreciate the knowledge of Evolt, knowing I'm on this list to learn and
hopefully pass on what I will learn.

So with that, I choose the latter and accept wholeheartedly the responses to
this subject, whether negative or positive. Since this response was
negative, I have learned not to take it personally. For the responses are
'knowledge gained' and actually had an appreciation for those responses as a
'caution' for something I may have wasted my time on.

So what to do in the future? Religiously continue to read ALL posts each day
from this list. It's the best damn IT List (Is this considered an 'IT'
List?) I've ever been on.

<tip type="html code">
This has to do with the most simplest yet most annoying eye sore on a web
page at least I believe. Web pages I see (many times) that have a wider
vertical space between the second to last sentence and the last sentence in
paragraphs. This occurs mostly in your WYSIWYG html programs and in some
manner or form, a table is involved along with the <P>. Before I learned to
manually code tables and cells, the easiest fix: Replace the <P> with
<br><br>. You'll find the space is now similar to all the other rows in the
paragraph.
</tip>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel S. O'Shea
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:59 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay
>
>
> Since I've been posting several questions lately, here's an article on
> Search Engine tactics from http://www.internetday.com/ I thought
> some on the
> List may find useful.
>
> DanO
>
> Internet Day
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> ----
>
> Two New Search Engine Tactics
>
> By Roger Wilcox
>
>
> To carry on in the tradition of the classic e-book "Search Engine Tactics"
> (as you surely know, written by Mark Joyner in 1995 -- the book that
> pioneered e-book marketing and still a classic work on search engine
> promotion), I would like to propose two new tactics in use today. With all
> due respect to Mr. Joyner, a lot has changed since 1995.
>
> Here are two brand new tactics that the search engine
> optimization gurus are
> talking about:
>
> 1. New META Tag: "Aesop"
>
> If you get nothing else from this article, get this. This new tag
> is popping
> up on sites all over the Net and will dramatically change the way people
> search. Essentially, this tag breaks all Internet content into six useful
> categories. The purpose of this is to allow surfers to more accurately and
> quickly determine if a search result is, indeed, what they are
> looking for.
> It also allows Webmasters to attract more appropriate visits to
> their sites.
> Right now, the only engine that recognizes it is aesop.com, but I
> have it on
> authority that others are preparing to start recognizing the tag as well.
>
> For more information, here is the official aesop META tag site (includes a
> free tag generator). If you don't already have this tag on all of your
> pages, it's critical that you do this right away:
> http://www.aesop.com/metatag.htm
>
> 2. CSS H1 Spoof
>
> In the early days of the Net, search engines were easy to fool.
> These days,
> it's quite a bit more difficult, but it can be done. However, any time you
> use some type of trick to spoof the engines, you always run the
> risk of the
> engine catching you and banning your domain for spamming.
>
> OK, with that caveat, here's the trick.
>
> Some search engines will give words found in the "H1" tag a boost in
> relevancy. The H1 tag is used to specify your page's heading. The problem
> is, this heading is just plain ugly. It's a huge point Times New Roman
> heading that doesn't look good in anyone's Web design book.
>
> Here's the good news: you can get the best of both worlds using Cascading
> Style Sheets (CSS). With CSS, you can specify that the browser will render
> text in the H1 tag any way you please. This is great; because, you can get
> both a boost in relevancy and get better control of your page's appearance
> in one step.
>
> Here's the code:
>
> In your head tag, put the following line:
>
>
> <STYLE> <!-- H1 {font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 12pt; color:
> black; } --> </STYLE>
> (Note that you can change any of the above variables - font size,
> type, and
> color - as you see fit.)
>
> Then, in the body of your document, where you want you document
> "heading" or
> "headline", use the following code:
>
>
> <H1>Text for Your Headline Here</H1>
> The headline will now appear as you specified in the style code. This is a
> great trick, and it's brand new.
>
> Apply these new tactics today for some easy traffic courtesy of your
> favorite search engines.
>
> June 11, 2001
>
>
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>




From john at neoncowboy.com  Tue Jun 19 20:32:18 2001
From: john at neoncowboy.com (john corry)
Date: Tue Jun 19 20:32:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] php (if/else)
In-Reply-To: <000701c0f936$8797da00$06c128d8@manaze>
Message-ID: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAIEGFDNAA.john@neoncowboy.com>

uhh...

I have a weird thing going on..
$max_art_id = mysql_num_rows($id_result);
	echo ("there are $max_art_id rows in the DB.<br>");
	// if current art_ID == max_art_ID
		if ($cur_id == $max_art_id){
		// next link goes to first record (art_ID[0])
		$next = 1;
		echo ($next);
		} else {
			// else
		$next = ($cur_id++)	;
		echo($next);
		}

This si weird because in the line that echos $max_art_id, it writes the
correct value, 31. But then in the if() statement, I evaluate it to see if
its the same as $cur_id (which is 1)...it's supposed to do the 'else' but it
doesn't, it evaluates to true, even though it isn't...

What's going on?

jc




From web at master.gen.in.us  Tue Jun 19 21:47:23 2001
From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke )
Date: Tue Jun 19 21:47:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] AOL email
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010619192709.01e72050@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <3B2FD74D.7703.7B3B67E@localhost>

On 19 Jun 2001, at 19:32, Peter Kaulback posted a message which said:

> What limitations exist in the AOL email program in regards to HTML 
> email?  I'm creating an HTML email newsletter for a friend who is using AOL 
> and they are having difficulty seeing the letter.  Since I can't see their 
> system I'm drawing a blank as to what can be done.  Should there be 2 HTML 
> newsletters created, 1 for AOL and 1 for the rest of us?

and from his viewpoint of hating HTML mail, deke replies, "Where 
you come up with the 'US' business, kemosabe?"




------------------------
 "The church is near but the road is icy; 
  the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." 
                            -- Russian Proverb



From meredith at pintsize.com  Wed Jun 20 00:49:49 2001
From: meredith at pintsize.com (Meredith Tupper)
Date: Wed Jun 20 00:49:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] for the ICANN watchers among us
Message-ID: <3B3038AC.9CC17B49@pintsize.com>

"If a significant number of Internet users were to simply
point their machines to another root server, where would
ICANN be?" Auerbach asked. "The only reason it has authority
is because of inertia."

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44404-2,00.html

--
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http://www.pintsize.com
meredith at pintsize.com
3225 S. MacDill Ave. #208
Tampa, FL 33629
813-835-5382





From john at neoncowboy.com  Wed Jun 20 01:09:40 2001
From: john at neoncowboy.com (john corry)
Date: Wed Jun 20 01:09:40 2001
Subject: [thelist] php (if/else)
In-Reply-To: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAIEGFDNAA.john@neoncowboy.com>
Message-ID: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDACEGIDNAA.john@neoncowboy.com>

nevermind...that was a dumb oversight.
It was the ++ operator, +1 worked better...

I have a conceptual problem though. http://www.dianalehr.com:
When a user clicks a thumbnail, they go to a page with an enlargement...no
sweat, the page is created using a query built around a query strign
containing the piece ID.

On that page are prev and next lnks that go to the detail page, with the
current ID query string + or - 1 (in the event that the current ID is the
beginning or end of the array, these links go to the beginning or end of the
array..ie if ID = max_id, link = 1. if ID = 1, prev link = max_id.)

So...thats not quite good enough.

The index page has pieces divided into categories based on medium. I need
the links on the enlargement page to cycle through the paintings in the same
order, but I'm not sure how to do that. If I make the link query string to
contain ID and category variables, I could loop through all the pieces in
that category, but the logic to get to the end of items in a category then
jump to the next category is beyond me...

Anthony? Daniel?

thanks guys.
jc
<tip type="local PHP/MySQL development">
I always try to set my scripts up so I don't have to change variables
between server and local dev machine. That means instead of running my
scripts as root on localhost (which is easiest) I have to create Users with
passwords in MySQL, but thats easy. PHPMyAdmin gives direct access to the
users and db tables of the MySQL database. I create users with the same
credentials as on the server adn associate them with their respective
database(s). If the server is using a db on another machine, I'll set the
value of $host for the DB connect routine based on $HTTP_HOST:
if ($HTTP_HOST == "localhost"){
...
$server = "localhost";
}
else{
...
$server = "my.database.server";
}
That way, i can run code on my machine in HomeSite or on the server, without
having to remember to manually set variables to connect to the database...
</tip>




From sfmalo at email.msn.com  Wed Jun 20 02:28:56 2001
From: sfmalo at email.msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Wed Jun 20 02:28:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618162833.01af9150@mail.idirect.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20010618221132.00aa60d0@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <009c01c0f95a$259a0e80$a6250b3f@oemcomputer>

> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Peter Kaulback" <pkaulbak at idirect.ca>
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >Also try running the IE repair tool as something may be amiss with
> >| IE's configuration.

Peter -

Will the I.E. repair tool work for I.E. 5.1 as well as 5.5? Thought I'd try
it since I'm beginning to have problems again ... but don't want to create
more problems!

Sharon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sharon F. Malone
"web design and Internet writing services"
http://www.24caratdesign.com




From runciter at rosa.com  Wed Jun 20 05:38:31 2001
From: runciter at rosa.com (Niklaus Haldimann)
Date: Wed Jun 20 05:38:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay  [OT]
References: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINEEMECDAA.doshea@surfree.com>
Message-ID: <3B307A54.B85EDE09@rosa.com>

"Daniel S. O'Shea" wrote:
> I've got two choices. Pout and rant about how the world of Evolt is against
> me after posting this article, or:

Just so you know: My comments on Aesop were actually completely neutral
and not  at all directed at you personally. In fact I found your post
rather interesting. It made me do some research and I learned something
(that the Aesop meta tag isn't something I have to worry about). Don't
feel discouraged to post to the list just because of this one small
slip. I think had some similary wrong/useless posts, too. ;-)

Cheers,
Niklaus.

--
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At Work: http://www.rosa.com
At Play: http://www.ubique.ch
--
log-power to the WAP-people: http://www.waplog.ch



From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk  Wed Jun 20 06:23:08 2001
From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford)
Date: Wed Jun 20 06:23:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Leaving a secure area
References: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINEEMECDAA.doshea@surfree.com> <3B307A54.B85EDE09@rosa.com>
Message-ID: <009501c0f97b$73c26ff0$0b01a8c0@meg>

Hi all

I've got a bit of a problem at the moment.  I've built a shopping cart
system.  At the point in the checkout process when you have to enter your
details the transactions are moved to a secure server.  The problem I'm
having is that at the end of the process I want to send the shopper back to
the unsecure server.  At the moment I'm using

response.redirect "http://www.partyco.co.uk/shop_index.htm"

However although I'm getting the browser warning saying that I'm leaving the
secure area, the padlock symbol is still remaining displayed.  Does anyone
have any ideas?

Norman




From matthew.garrett at snet.net  Wed Jun 20 06:51:33 2001
From: matthew.garrett at snet.net (matthew garrett)
Date: Wed Jun 20 06:51:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Leaving a secure area
In-Reply-To: <009501c0f97b$73c26ff0$0b01a8c0@meg>
Message-ID: <B75607E4.6A57%matthew.garrett@snet.net>

It may be a frames related issue. If they are still within a frame (as you
are when you go to http://www.partyco.co.uk ), the secure status sometimes
becomes confused - as in, the content page is not secure, but the page which
contains the frameset is secure, or vice-versa. I would look there first.

matt

> From: "Norman Beresford" <n.beresford at anansi.co.uk>
> Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:23:38 +0100
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Subject: [thelist] Leaving a secure area
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I've got a bit of a problem at the moment.  I've built a shopping cart
> system.  At the point in the checkout process when you have to enter your
> details the transactions are moved to a secure server.  The problem I'm
> having is that at the end of the process I want to send the shopper back to
> the unsecure server.  At the moment I'm using
> 
> response.redirect "http://www.partyco.co.uk/shop_index.htm"
> 
> However although I'm getting the browser warning saying that I'm leaving the
> secure area, the padlock symbol is still remaining displayed.  Does anyone
> have any ideas?
> 
> Norman
> 
> 
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From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com  Wed Jun 20 08:38:36 2001
From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com)
Date: Wed Jun 20 08:38:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] Privacy (and other) disclosures
Message-ID: <OF6A56E8F0.E6452BB2-ON80256A71.004A335A@ema.pwcinternal.com>

Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers

-------------------- Start of message text --------------------

Someone was asking about this a couple of weeks ago - I came across
this today which might be helpful:
http://www.pwcbetterweb.com/betterweb/AboutSeal/seal_std.cfm

(it's amazing how much stuff floats around a large organisation without
everyone being aware of it)

Whether or not you'd actually want to be part of the official programme
is up to you, but it's a reasonable framework to start from.

Cheers
Martin

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From stef at nota-bene.org  Wed Jun 20 08:43:31 2001
From: stef at nota-bene.org (s t e f)
Date: Wed Jun 20 08:43:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT-Portfolio
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010619104600.009f05f0@204.231.181.37>
Message-ID: <3B30ABC5.4080700@nota-bene.org>

Monse wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> I've been working in the same company over a year, as a senior web 
> designer/developer.
> I haven't had the time or the need for a Portfolio, but  I'm looking for 
> a job someplace else.
> I'm not sure were to start from, what goes on it, and what doesn't. I 
> wonder if someone could
> give me some ideas, and/or URL's of portfolios where I can get some 
> inspiration from.

Hi,

There's mine (in french and Ie only as for font styles, don't know why 
though) : http://www.nota-bene.org/~stef/
There's Thoams Brattli's (real beauty) : http://www.bratta.com/portfolio.asp
And of course Derek Powazek's: http://www.powazek.com/forhire/portfolio.html

But like aardvark says, it's got to fit your sensibility.
HTH


-- 
s t e f




From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com  Wed Jun 20 09:09:12 2001
From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron)
Date: Wed Jun 20 09:09:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] AOL email
Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060145F17B@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>

Hi Bev,

Wouldn't have jumped in ... but I spent some time yesterday afternoon
helping an AOL user download a copy of acrobat-reader and explaining that
they need to save the pdf files they were running into onto their harddrive
and _then_ open them in acrobat.

I'm not sure of all of the particulars of their set-up ... but any pdf files
they ran into were coming up with an "AOL" icon associated with them.
Needless to say, AOL wasn't doing a very good job reading these files.

All seems to be well for them now ... but this was the first time I heard of
AOL screwing with pdfs -- so I thought I'd pass that along.

RonL.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bev Corwin [mailto:bev at enso-company.com]
Subject: Re: [thelist] AOL email

<snip> ... or set up a PDF document that they can download. </snip>




From genghis at members.evolt.org  Wed Jun 20 09:11:42 2001
From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar)
Date: Wed Jun 20 09:11:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay  [OT]
In-Reply-To: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINEEMECDAA.doshea@surfree.com>
Message-ID: <ANEHKEMJEMCODFCKMFJGGEIBDDAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel S. O'Shea
> Sent: 20 June 2001 02:30
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay [OT]
> 
> This has to do with the most simplest yet most annoying eye sore on a web
> page at least I believe. Web pages I see (many times) that have a wider
> vertical space between the second to last sentence and the last 
> sentence in
> paragraphs. This occurs mostly in your WYSIWYG html programs and in some
> manner or form, a table is involved along with the <P>. Before I 
> learned to
> manually code tables and cells, the easiest fix: Replace the <P> with
> <br><br>. You'll find the space is now similar to all the other 
> rows in the
> paragraph.

Umm... sorry about this but

Whilst your quick fix will do the trick, the *cause* is
usually a single space between the end of your text, outside
any text formatting tags and before the paragraph break.

------------------------------------------
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T +44 20 7209 4117       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
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From brian.j.boerner at lmco.com  Wed Jun 20 09:36:23 2001
From: brian.j.boerner at lmco.com (Boerner, Brian J)
Date: Wed Jun 20 09:36:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT-Portfolio
Message-ID: <91A6D3929D6BD4119B8C0008C7E66564041CE1D1@emss04m03.ems.lmco.com>

www.2advanced.com

has a good flash portfolio




-----Original Message-----
From: s t e f [mailto:stef at nota-bene.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:57 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] OT-Portfolio


Monse wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> I've been working in the same company over a year, as a senior web 
> designer/developer.
> I haven't had the time or the need for a Portfolio, but  I'm looking for 
> a job someplace else.
> I'm not sure were to start from, what goes on it, and what doesn't. I 
> wonder if someone could
> give me some ideas, and/or URL's of portfolios where I can get some 
> inspiration from.

Hi,

There's mine (in french and Ie only as for font styles, don't know why 
though) : http://www.nota-bene.org/~stef/
There's Thoams Brattli's (real beauty) : http://www.bratta.com/portfolio.asp
And of course Derek Powazek's: http://www.powazek.com/forhire/portfolio.html

But like aardvark says, it's got to fit your sensibility.
HTH


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From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com  Wed Jun 20 10:01:14 2001
From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:01:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay [OT]
Message-ID: <OF8FA45D92.91905004-ON80256A71.005193BF@ema.pwcinternal.com>

Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers

-------------------- Start of message text --------------------

The coding which I've seen cause this more than anything else is
styling applied by CSS span, like this:
<p>
     <span class="para_styling_with_odd_leading">
          paragraph content lorum
          ipsum nonnyquoddy etc etc etc
     </span>
<p>

So the styling ends before the paragraph does. From what I've seen,
GoLive users tend to do this a lot more, so it may be an artefact of
GoLive.

Much more sensible is:
<p class="para_styling_with_odd_leading">
     paragraph content lorum
     ipsum nonnyquoddy etc etc etc
<p>

So the styling applies to the semantic unit, and all the way to its end.

Cheers
Martin




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel S. O'Shea
> Sent: 20 June 2001 02:30
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay [OT]
>
> This has to do with the most simplest yet most annoying eye sore on a web
> page at least I believe. Web pages I see (many times) that have a wider
> vertical space between the second to last sentence and the last
> sentence in
> paragraphs. This occurs mostly in your WYSIWYG html programs and in some
> manner or form, a table is involved along with the <P>. Before I
> learned to
> manually code tables and cells, the easiest fix: Replace the <P> with
> <br><br>. You'll find the space is now similar to all the other
> rows in the
> paragraph.

Umm... sorry about this but

Whilst your quick fix will do the trick, the *cause* is
usually a single space between the end of your text, outside
any text formatting tags and before the paragraph break.



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From monserrat at nurun.cl  Wed Jun 20 10:02:43 2001
From: monserrat at nurun.cl (Monse)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:02:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT portfolio
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010620105951.00a64bb0@204.231.181.37>

I want to say thanks to everyone who replied
merci, stef, nice site




From gregory.john.toland at census.gov  Wed Jun 20 10:06:04 2001
From: gregory.john.toland at census.gov (gregory.john.toland at census.gov)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:06:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] <DIV> Absolute Positioning Quirk
Message-ID: <OF57D131B8.378231F8-ON85256A71.00528827@tco.census.gov>

I have the following within an absolutely positioned <DIV> tag:

Response.Write( "<h1>Creating Testing Scenario...</h1>" )
Response.Flush
Response.Write "This is a test" & "<br>"
Response.Flush

Upon the second flush the header, "Creating Testing Scenario" disappears.
Is this a DHTML "bug", DHTML
by design, or ASP bug?  Anyone run into this before?

If this is a little of topic, I apologize.  Could any of you tell me of a
good DHTML mailing list?  I have been looking for one but have come up
empty.


Gregory J Toland
Sr. Systems Architect
CHM, Inc.
(301) 457-8058
tolan002 at census.gov





From bev at enso-company.com  Wed Jun 20 10:20:10 2001
From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:20:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] AOL email
References: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060145F17B@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net>
Message-ID: <08ef01c0f99c$bb236f90$a2b999cf@beverly8n5gg7i>

Hi RonL,

Hmm... interesting,  thanks!

I've had a lot of trouble with pdf's and AOL, but they were mostly Japanese,
Chinese, Korean or other double byte files.

What you say makes sense, I'm not surprised.

Sometimes compressed files seem to make it through better than simple
attachments, not sure since it didn't work 100% of the time.

Thanks for the update.

Best wishes,
Bev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Luther, Ron" <Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:07 AM
Subject: RE: [thelist] AOL email


> Hi Bev,
>
> Wouldn't have jumped in ... but I spent some time yesterday afternoon
> helping an AOL user download a copy of acrobat-reader and explaining that
> they need to save the pdf files they were running into onto their
harddrive
> and _then_ open them in acrobat.
>
> I'm not sure of all of the particulars of their set-up ... but any pdf
files
> they ran into were coming up with an "AOL" icon associated with them.
> Needless to say, AOL wasn't doing a very good job reading these files.
>
> All seems to be well for them now ... but this was the first time I heard
of
> AOL screwing with pdfs -- so I thought I'd pass that along.
>
> RonL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bev Corwin [mailto:bev at enso-company.com]
> Subject: Re: [thelist] AOL email
>
> <snip> ... or set up a PDF document that they can download. </snip>
>
>
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From rhoenig at gilmanassembly.com  Wed Jun 20 10:34:46 2001
From: rhoenig at gilmanassembly.com (Hoenig, Robert)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:34:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] Directory Listing
Message-ID: <81E354B61E88D411A90D00B0D0222C426EDAF9@lsexc001>

I'm trying to create a page that will pull folders out of a directory and
list them on a page.  The Folder I'm pulling from is on a separate server
than the web server.  Here is the code I'm trying to use but it's not
returning anything.  The folder is shared.

	foldername = \\servername\foldername
	Dim objFSO    'FileSystemObject variable
	Dim objFolder 'Folder variable
	Dim objItem   'Variable used to loop through the contents of the
folder
		
	Set objFSO = Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
	Set objFolder = objFSO.GetFolder(Server.MapPath(foldername))
	Response.Write("<br>Contents of: " & objFolder)
		
	For Each objItem in objFolder.SubFolders
		Response.Write(objItem.Name )
	Next

Any help would be appreciated.

Robert



From Andy.Waite at company-net.com  Wed Jun 20 10:36:25 2001
From: Andy.Waite at company-net.com (Andy Waite)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:36:25 2001
Subject: [thelist] Directory Listing
Message-ID: <487361A25F5FD511B60700C04F1FFD23053DCA@EXCHANGE>

What does objFolder.SubFolders.Count return?

--
Andy Waite <andy.waite at company-net.co.uk>
Database Web Developer, Company Net

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hoenig, Robert [mailto:rhoenig at gilmanassembly.com]
>I'm trying to create a page that will pull folders out of a 
>directory and
>list them on a page.



From rhoenig at gilmanassembly.com  Wed Jun 20 10:40:21 2001
From: rhoenig at gilmanassembly.com (Hoenig, Robert)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:40:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] Directory Listing
Message-ID: <81E354B61E88D411A90D00B0D0222C426EDAFA@lsexc001>

Nothing.  

Response.Write("<br>Contents of: " & objFolder) <--This statement doesn't
return anything either

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Waite [mailto:Andy.Waite at company-net.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:25 AM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] Directory Listing


What does objFolder.SubFolders.Count return?



From jay.blanchard at thermon.com  Wed Jun 20 10:54:51 2001
From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard)
Date: Wed Jun 20 10:54:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] php (if/else)
Message-ID: <200106201554.f5KFskI11413@leo.evolt.org>

I am no php guru, but there is another way to approach this...

Test for 'not equal to' -- if ($cur_id <> $max_art_id){ -- in other words, reverse the test. I think that what is going on here is that both '31' and '1' evaluate as 'true'.
Have you tried evaluating as a number instead of an equality? if ($cur_id = $max_art_id){? This would be the proper numerical test and does not reassign the value of the variables because they are in the scope of the 'if' statement.

Hope this helps!

Jay Blanchard
Web Engineer 
Thermon Industries, Inc.
1.800.820.HEAT x327

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From RWaller at fresno.ca.gov  Wed Jun 20 11:06:03 2001
From: RWaller at fresno.ca.gov (Waller, Rio)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:06:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] Merchant Account?
Message-ID: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B3938F@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>

Good Morning Everyone,
We are a new ISP looking for a financial institution who can provide us, as
well as our e-commerce clients, with a merchant account that works with the
CyberCash CashRegister Internet payment service. 
We are also interested in any partner or referral programs. We would like
the ability to add a small percentage to the existing "discount rate" and
the "fixed per transaction fees" on all our clients who sign up through our
link. Online applications for our clients would be the preferred method for
signing up a new account. 
I know this is long...but can you give me some idea about the going rate for
application fees, discount rates, fixed per transaction fees, monthly fees,
and any/all other fees involved based on your experience.

Rio Waller
WebPerson
http://www.zwerx.com




From Matt at grndwtr.com  Wed Jun 20 11:12:51 2001
From: Matt at grndwtr.com (Matthias Ritzkowski)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:12:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Directory Listing
Message-ID: <8179FA78B6D0D111AA53006097B0128007AE97@mail1>

I think you need to give permissions on <separate server> for IUSR_Webserver
before you can pull this one off.
AFAIK FSO only works locally, on the actual webserver.
I had to copy files to achieve what you are trying ...

Matthias
-----Original Message-----
From: Hoenig, Robert [mailto:rhoenig at gilmanassembly.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:32
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: [thelist] Directory Listing


I'm trying to create a page that will pull folders out of a directory and
list them on a page.  The Folder I'm pulling from is on a separate server
than the web server.  Here is the code I'm trying to use but it's not
returning anything.  The folder is shared.

	foldername = \\servername\foldername
	Dim objFSO    'FileSystemObject variable
	Dim objFolder 'Folder variable
	Dim objItem   'Variable used to loop through the contents of the
folder
		
	Set objFSO = Server.CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
	Set objFolder = objFSO.GetFolder(Server.MapPath(foldername))
	Response.Write("<br>Contents of: " & objFolder)
		
	For Each objItem in objFolder.SubFolders
		Response.Write(objItem.Name )
	Next

Any help would be appreciated.

Robert

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From rhoenig at gilmanassembly.com  Wed Jun 20 11:27:39 2001
From: rhoenig at gilmanassembly.com (Hoenig, Robert)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:27:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] Directory Listing
Message-ID: <81E354B61E88D411A90D00B0D0222C426EDAFC@lsexc001>

I'm not sure what I did but it works now.  Thanks for the help



From bev at enso-company.com  Wed Jun 20 11:28:05 2001
From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:28:05 2001
Subject: [thelist] Merchant Account?
References: <11DE2DA8F971D311BDAB009027B1067409B3938F@pobox4.intra.co.fresno.ca.us>
Message-ID: <09c601c0f9a6$3256ca90$a2b999cf@beverly8n5gg7i>

Hi there...

We use www.verifyonline.com and their www.credinet.com

They will provide everything except the shopping cart....

You can find their rates on their websites,  or contact: robyn at creditnet.com

If you want to see their system in action,  we used it on this site:

http://www.language.msn.com/shop_main.asp

Sincerely,
Bev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Waller, Rio" <RWaller at fresno.ca.gov>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:03 AM
Subject: [thelist] Merchant Account?


> Good Morning Everyone,
> We are a new ISP looking for a financial institution who can provide us,
as
> well as our e-commerce clients, with a merchant account that works with
the
> CyberCash CashRegister Internet payment service.
> We are also interested in any partner or referral programs. We would like
> the ability to add a small percentage to the existing "discount rate" and
> the "fixed per transaction fees" on all our clients who sign up through
our
> link. Online applications for our clients would be the preferred method
for
> signing up a new account.
> I know this is long...but can you give me some idea about the going rate
for
> application fees, discount rates, fixed per transaction fees, monthly
fees,
> and any/all other fees involved based on your experience.
>
> Rio Waller
> WebPerson
> http://www.zwerx.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>




From beau at pair.com  Wed Jun 20 11:32:58 2001
From: beau at pair.com (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Wed Jun 20 11:32:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Major IIS Security Hole
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKOECJCDAA.beau@pair.com>

"Software giant issues urgent high-risk alert over vulnerability":
http://www.msnbc.com/news/588963.asp

Go patch it up:
http://www.windowsupdate.com/

Beau



From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Wed Jun 20 12:01:38 2001
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Wed Jun 20 12:01:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] Win2K IE 5.5 and open.window?
In-Reply-To: <009c01c0f95a$259a0e80$a6250b3f@oemcomputer>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618162833.01af9150@mail.idirect.ca>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20010618221132.00aa60d0@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620125252.01ad6800@mail.idirect.ca>

In the wee hour of 12:25 AM 6/20/01 -0700, sfmalo bequeathed such tales as 
these:
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Peter Kaulback" <pkaulbak at idirect.ca>
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >Also try running the IE repair tool as something may be amiss with
> > >| IE's configuration.
>
>Peter -
>
>Will the I.E. repair tool work for I.E. 5.1 as well as 5.5? Thought I'd try
>it since I'm beginning to have problems again ... but don't want to create
>more problems!
>
>Sharon

Sharon,
According to M$ it's supposed to work on all variants of IE from 5 up.  The 
only downside to running the IE repair tool is that the MDM.exe is started 
up each time this is done and some feel that this may be a bit of spyware 
on the side of M$.
Peter Kaulback




From cwilliams at compumodules.com  Wed Jun 20 12:13:38 2001
From: cwilliams at compumodules.com (Chris Williams)
Date: Wed Jun 20 12:13:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
In-Reply-To: <3B2FCF05.7A65D581@sam-i-am.com>
Message-ID: <FGEKIJDCADEFEBGHPLJKIEHHCDAA.cwilliams@compumodules.com>

Why in God's earth would you have need for 70 layers? If you are compositing
for animation or video, maybe a few, but not for the web. A slice *only*
slices *one* piece of the image.  If you are talking about substituting your
rollover and javascript for different pages, then you will have to use your
template, open it up in dreamweaver, have fireworks open, go thru and rename
or relink your new links for each page in fireworks, export to dreamweaver,
and save the file with a new name.  Seventy times.  An easier way is to use
server side includes.

Chris Williams




-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Sam-I-Am
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 3:16 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] image ready 2/3



Chris Williams wrote:
>
> If you are using fireworks, or image ready or whatever, I think you can
> delete all the images and save the file with only the slices, and name it
> something like *template_blank*.
>

but how do I get my new comp (with it's 70+ layers) into this template?
Seems like it ought to be easier to export the slices, but I'm looking
for any kind of solution at this point.
Actually if I could convert the slices into an image map, I have a perl
script that will convert that back into slices (in a new or existing
file -- it just creates an action that you can run in IR/PSP)
I lose my compression info, but its a start.

anyhow, thanks,
Sam

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From k.smith at tatnet.com  Wed Jun 20 12:18:18 2001
From: k.smith at tatnet.com (Kevin Smith)
Date: Wed Jun 20 12:18:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
In-Reply-To: <3B2FCF05.7A65D581@sam-i-am.com>
Message-ID: <B756529F.594F%k.smith@tatnet.com>

Sam-I-Am <sam at sam-i-am.com> wrote:

> but how do I get my new comp (with it's 70+ layers) into this template?
> Seems like it ought to be easier to export the slices, but I'm looking
> for any kind of solution at this point.

Link all the layers & drag them into the other document using the 'move'
tool.

--
kevin c smith
tatnet, inc.
e: k.smith at tatnet.com
t: 410.571.9462
f: 410.571.9442




From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com  Wed Jun 20 12:21:08 2001
From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com)
Date: Wed Jun 20 12:21:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
Message-ID: <OF45838CE2.CA66FB85-ON80256A71.005EC119@ema.pwcinternal.com>

Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers

-------------------- Start of message text --------------------

Complex image maps for one.

I once did an imagemap for which the image map definition
(ie all the polygons) was over 100k. It was a real map, with the
polygons defining complex boundaries (postcode sectors for
map geeks - click on your area and you get a lookup of all
registered users with similar postcodes. It was a carsharing
application).

To do this with IR1 (which was the tool), you need to have 1 polygon
per layer. That was about 30 layers from memory.

Fortunately, I had an overlay of the boundaries to do the splitting via
the magic wand tool.

Cheers
Martin





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Why in God's earth would you have need for 70 layers? If you are
compositing
for animation or video, maybe a few, but not for the web. A slice *only*
slices *one* piece of the image.  If you are talking about substituting
your
rollover and javascript for different pages, then you will have to use your
template, open it up in dreamweaver, have fireworks open, go thru and
rename
or relink your new links for each page in fireworks, export to dreamweaver,
and save the file with a new name.  Seventy times.  An easier way is to use
server side includes.




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From beau at members.evolt.org  Wed Jun 20 12:25:00 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Wed Jun 20 12:25:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
In-Reply-To: <3B2FCF05.7A65D581@sam-i-am.com>
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKIECLCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>

Sam, you can do that with two to three minutes of hard work. Just drag each
layer from your new comp into your template. If you do this frequently,
create an action to help you move the layers.

If you want to help everyone out, write a photoshop/imageready plugin that
will import slices from another photoshop/imageready file. Actually, would
anyone be interested in such a plugin?

Beau

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Sam-I-Am
Sent: June 19, 2001 3:16 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] image ready 2/3



Chris Williams wrote:

> If you are using fireworks, or image ready or whatever, I think you can
> delete all the images and save the file with only the slices, and name it
> something like *template_blank*.

but how do I get my new comp (with it's 70+ layers) into this template?
Seems like it ought to be easier to export the slices, but I'm looking
for any kind of solution at this point.
Actually if I could convert the slices into an image map, I have a perl
script that will convert that back into slices (in a new or existing
file -- it just creates an action that you can run in IR/PSP)
I lose my compression info, but its a start.

anyhow, thanks,
Sam

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From mike at partnersIP.com  Wed Jun 20 12:27:04 2001
From: mike at partnersIP.com (Mike Parsons, Building Better Business)
Date: Wed Jun 20 12:27:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] usability story
Message-ID: <002901c0f9ae$54e1e510$6b1b56c3@MIKE>

Please find a good usability story.

Borrowed brilliance
By Mary Deaton
(6/18/01)

Widely utilized in the West to make environments more beneficial to
occupants, the ancient Chinese practice of feng shui aligns the forces of
chi (energy) to create balance, harmony, and prosperity. I've adapted a sort
of feng shui for Web sites.


http://builder.cnet.com/webbuilding/0-7705-8-6301693-1.html?tag=st.bl.3880.p
ro_h.3880-8-6301693-1

Regards,

Mike Parsons,
mike at partnersIP.com









From java_fella at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 12:28:08 2001
From: java_fella at yahoo.com (Thomas Granger)
Date: Wed Jun 20 12:28:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: [the list] AOL email
In-Reply-To: <20010620173035.8DABC52028@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20010620172601.3111.qmail@web3201.mail.yahoo.com>

Always send AOL recipients text..trust me. We send
millions of email a day for clients..

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From sgd at ti3.com  Wed Jun 20 12:31:19 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Wed Jun 20 12:31:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] Major IIS Security Hole
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB32111724930CE@gate.ti3.com>

Already been brought up, (even here), if you remove the script mappings you
don't use (as pointed out in a glorious tip earlier this week), you are
already closing these holes. That being said, it is a Good Thing to stay up
on the updates.

sgd
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> "Software giant issues urgent high-risk alert over vulnerability":



From tim.kuhn at wamu.net  Wed Jun 20 13:27:49 2001
From: tim.kuhn at wamu.net (Tim Kuhn)
Date: Wed Jun 20 13:27:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] jscipt mouseover
Message-ID: <3B30EADD.B86DFB0E@wamu.net>

Hi all. I have a simple question about jscript mouseovers. I have a
navbar with 5 or so links on it. What I want is to mouseover an image on
the bar and another image  pop up in the same place and same size. I
have that now with one link and image but when I put multiple links on
all the pop up images appear  over the last link. How do I prevent this?
Here is a snippet of the code in it's rough state, as the initial image
is the same for all the links.
<table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="1" width="100%" border="0">
         <tr width="10%" valign="center">
           <td>
           <a href="home.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/home.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/home2.jpg'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home2.jpg" height="28" width="60"
border="0">

            </a></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
           <td>
           <a href="calendar.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/calendar.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/calendar2'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home1.jpg" height="28" width="50"
border="0">

            </a></h3></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
           <td>
           <a href="directions.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/directions.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/directions2.jpg'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home2.jpg" height="28" width="50"
border="0">

            </a></td>
         </tr>
Thanks to all that take the time to  respond as I am new at this and
need a little help.




From judah at wiredotter.com  Wed Jun 20 13:32:11 2001
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Wed Jun 20 13:32:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] Major IIS Security Hole
In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB32111724930CE@gate.ti3.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620112836.02396ff8@mail2.alphashop.com>

At 12:29 PM 6/20/2001 -0500, sgd wrote:
>Already been brought up, (even here), if you remove the script mappings you
>don't use (as pointed out in a glorious tip earlier this week), you are
>already closing these holes. That being said, it is a Good Thing to stay up
>on the updates.
>
>sgd

It is especially important in this case because Microsoft notes that adding 
for removing various software components can restore the script mappings 
without warning you.  So you can remove the vulnerability and Microsoft 
will graciously restore it for you.

Judah





From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Wed Jun 20 13:33:56 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Wed Jun 20 13:33:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] jscipt mouseover
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339D9@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Could be 'cause all your images are named 'logo.' Name each one differently,
or it won't know which image to change.

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Kuhn [mailto:tim.kuhn at wamu.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:27 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] jscipt mouseover


Hi all. I have a simple question about jscript mouseovers. I have a
navbar with 5 or so links on it. What I want is to mouseover an image on
the bar and another image  pop up in the same place and same size. I
have that now with one link and image but when I put multiple links on
all the pop up images appear  over the last link. How do I prevent this?
Here is a snippet of the code in it's rough state, as the initial image
is the same for all the links.
<table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="1" width="100%" border="0">
         <tr width="10%" valign="center">
           <td>
           <a href="home.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/home.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/home2.jpg'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home2.jpg" height="28" width="60"
border="0">

            </a></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
           <td>
           <a href="calendar.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/calendar.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/calendar2'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home1.jpg" height="28" width="50"
border="0">

            </a></h3></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
           <td>
           <a href="directions.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/directions.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/directions2.jpg'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home2.jpg" height="28" width="50"
border="0">

            </a></td>
         </tr>
Thanks to all that take the time to  respond as I am new at this and
need a little help.




From mike at tokenzone.com  Wed Jun 20 13:44:57 2001
From: mike at tokenzone.com (Michael Stevens)
Date: Wed Jun 20 13:44:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] jscipt mouseover
In-Reply-To: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339D9@ns.magisnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <PEEFINEOJCNKLJFFDDFCCEEMCEAA.mike@tokenzone.com>

that would do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Canfield, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:32 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] jscipt mouseover


Could be 'cause all your images are named 'logo.' Name each one differently,
or it won't know which image to change.

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Kuhn [mailto:tim.kuhn at wamu.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:27 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] jscipt mouseover


Hi all. I have a simple question about jscript mouseovers. I have a
navbar with 5 or so links on it. What I want is to mouseover an image on
the bar and another image  pop up in the same place and same size. I
have that now with one link and image but when I put multiple links on
all the pop up images appear  over the last link. How do I prevent this?
Here is a snippet of the code in it's rough state, as the initial image
is the same for all the links.
<table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="1" width="100%" border="0">
         <tr width="10%" valign="center">
           <td>
           <a href="home.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/home.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/home2.jpg'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home2.jpg" height="28" width="60"
border="0">

            </a></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
           <td>
           <a href="calendar.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/calendar.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/calendar2'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home1.jpg" height="28" width="50"
border="0">

            </a></h3></td>
         </tr>
         <tr>
           <td>
           <a href="directions.html" target="wwscc"
onMouseOver="document.images['logo'].src='images/directions.gif'"
onmouseOut="document.images['logo'].src='images/directions2.jpg'">
     <img name="logo" src="images/home2.jpg" height="28" width="50"
border="0">

            </a></td>
         </tr>
Thanks to all that take the time to  respond as I am new at this and
need a little help.


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From JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov  Wed Jun 20 13:52:17 2001
From: JOHN.PEARSON at eia.doe.gov (Pearson, John)
Date: Wed Jun 20 13:52:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?
Message-ID: <172E2E73237979-01@Department_of_Energy_E-Mail_Security_Server>

well <sheepishly> I had one of those vb web dll's referenced on the asp page and
in moving computer, it wasnt registered under the new win2k.  I registered it and
as you say, asp worked out of the box.  It obviously comes with IIS </sheepishly>
Thanks for the inputs, they made me think.

-----Original Message-----
From: Flavia Silveira-Tarzwell (FayeC) [mailto:fayec at canada.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:59 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] IIS(PWS) asp service under win2k?


I was having problems with my IIS and I found out later that it was due
to my ZOne Alarm...
I had it set to block internet servers and it wouldn allow anything in
or out...
Funky but whenever I am checking my pages using my PWS I have to uncheck
the option from ZoneAlarm...




From eric.svee at attws.com  Wed Jun 20 14:42:16 2001
From: eric.svee at attws.com (Svee, Eric)
Date: Wed Jun 20 14:42:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] Security Settings in IE
Message-ID: <6D89C1569469D411A00A0008C7160CA9036F1947@fws-msg01.mccaw-stg.com>

I'm running IE 5.5 on Windows NT, SP 6 and I have a very annoying problem.
ANY time I hit a .swf or .mov file I get prompted that there is an ActiveX
control and that the page might not display correctly--I have to use
Netscape for all of these pages (including Microsoft.com). I have gone to
security settings window and tried setting things to low and I have also
manually enabled certain options (ie. enable ActiveX) etc.  Then when I go
back to view the settings they are reset to medium.   Any ideas?

BTW I have admin rights over my box

Thanks 



From roselli at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 20 15:00:14 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Wed Jun 20 15:00:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] domain typo squatting ruling
Message-ID: <200106202000.f5KK06I24904@leo.evolt.org>

anyone else seen this?

http://www.imarketingnews.com/cgi-
bin/artprevbot.cgi?article_id=15779

Appellate Court Deems Typo-Squatting Punishable

JoeCartoon.com -- a Web site showcasing animations with names 
such as Frog Blender, Look at My Monkey and Joe Fish -- is 
entitled to protection from typo-squatting under the Anti-
Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, according to an opinion 
issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit on Friday. 

The appellate court upheld the decision of the U.S. District Court 
for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, which ruled that the owner 
of five URLs similar to animation site www.joecartoon.com was 
liable for damages and attorney's fees under the anti-
cybersquatting act. 




From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Wed Jun 20 15:08:41 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Wed Jun 20 15:08:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] domain typo squatting ruling
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339DC@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Read a similar article recently (internesia has set in, though) involving
the 'similar domain name' thing and a large cash settlement. The basis
seemed to be clear intent to deceive as opposed to casual similarity.

Is this a good thing 'cause it protects someone, or a bad thing 'cause it's
unnecessary control? If there's no apparent intent to deceive, I think the
latter, and vice versa.

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: aardvark [mailto:roselli at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 12:58 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] domain typo squatting ruling


anyone else seen this?

http://www.imarketingnews.com/cgi-
bin/artprevbot.cgi?article_id=15779

Appellate Court Deems Typo-Squatting Punishable

JoeCartoon.com -- a Web site showcasing animations with names 
such as Frog Blender, Look at My Monkey and Joe Fish -- is 
entitled to protection from typo-squatting under the Anti-
Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act, according to an opinion 
issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit on Friday. 

The appellate court upheld the decision of the U.S. District Court 
for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, which ruled that the owner 
of five URLs similar to animation site www.joecartoon.com was 
liable for damages and attorney's fees under the anti-
cybersquatting act. 



From MillerB at bek.com  Wed Jun 20 15:13:46 2001
From: MillerB at bek.com (Miller, Bart)
Date: Wed Jun 20 15:13:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox margin removal problem
Message-ID: <0E57A5C7DD58D511A7A700B0D079EC741A5C24@is6b.bek.com>

I'm having a problem removing the margin around a checkbox so that it lines
up with other elements in a table.  Here's the code I'm using:

<table>
<tr><td><input></td></tr>
<tr><td><input></td></tr>
<tr><td style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><input type=checkbox
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;"></td></tr>
</table>

But, alas, it still does not line up.  I now toss this problem out to the
members of this list.  Red meat everyone!!



From clara at gradschools.com  Wed Jun 20 15:17:11 2001
From: clara at gradschools.com (Clara Gruen)
Date: Wed Jun 20 15:17:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] Passing URL Value
Message-ID: <v0401170cb756b15d439a@[151.197.107.166]>

On my company's website, we have an inquiry system for students to send a
profile to an institution they are applying to.  The system has multiple
steps to it and once the student completes the steps and sends the inquiry,
the continue button takes them back to the page they came from.  An example
of this can be seen at:
http://www.gradschools.com/listings/east/animal_east.html

The system starts by clicking one of the email links in the program
descriptions.

All of our databases right now are in File Maker Pro and are in the process
of being converted to DB2 but this is being done in pieces.  The inquiry
system is the first to move with the actual content being moved in a few
months.  Right now, we use a plug-in program (FlexMail) to pass the URL of
the referring page through the system.

The question:  is there a javascript or some other easy way to capture the
URL of a referring page so that it can be passed to the next page where the
inquiry system starts?  I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for the help!

-Clara
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Clara Gruen
Product Manager, Gradschools.com
http://www.gradschools.com
1450 Edgmont Avenue
Suite #140
Chester, PA  19013  USA
phone: 1-610-499-9200  fax: 1-610-499-9205
toll free: 1-877-4040-EDU
email: clara at gradschools.com



From spalmisano at usaiss.com  Wed Jun 20 15:29:12 2001
From: spalmisano at usaiss.com (Salvatore Palmisano)
Date: Wed Jun 20 15:29:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox margin removal problem
In-Reply-To: <F1B92B253AF9D3119DEA0090273EF9DD262D09@ISSDC2>
Message-ID: <F1B92B253AF9D3119DEA0090273EF9DD1D387E@ISSDC2>

This formatted ok in IE 6.0b
Not tested on any other platform:

***
<STYLE>
.test
{
    MARGIN: -5px;
}
</STYLE>
<BODY>
<table border=0>
<tr><td><input></td></tr>
<tr><td><input></td></tr>
<tr><td align=left>
<input type=checkbox class=test></td></tr>
</table>
***

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Miller, Bart
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 4:15 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox margin removal problem


I'm having a problem removing the margin around a checkbox so that it lines
up with other elements in a table.  Here's the code I'm using:
But, alas, it still does not line up.  I now toss this problem out to the
members of this list.  Red meat everyone!!




From martin at members.evolt.org  Wed Jun 20 15:30:57 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Wed Jun 20 15:30:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] Passing URL Value
Message-ID: <016f70331201461PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk>

Clara Gruen wrote on 20/6/01 9:13 pm

>The question:  is there a javascript or some other easy way to capture the
>URL of a referring page so that it can be passed to the next page where the
>inquiry system starts?  I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for the help!

Clara

The referer is part of the information passed to the server by the
client in normal web interactions. Pretty much any server side
language/application such as Perl, PHP, ColdFusion or ASP can
get it.

Using a special plugin to get it is a sledghammer and nut combination

Martin

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From mail at richardinfo.com  Wed Jun 20 15:32:42 2001
From: mail at richardinfo.com (Richard Bennett)
Date: Wed Jun 20 15:32:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox margin removal problem
References: <0E57A5C7DD58D511A7A700B0D079EC741A5C24@is6b.bek.com>
Message-ID: <028c01c0f9c7$7559c740$e93488d9@rich>

Many ways you can position it, here's one:
Works roughly in IE/NS4/NS6

<table><form>
<tr><td><input></td></tr>
<tr><td><input></td></tr>
<tr><td style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><input type=checkbox
style="width:15px;margin-left:0px;"></td></tr>
</form></table>

I added the <form> tags, so it shows up in NS4.

Cheers,
Richard Bennett

mail at richardinfo.com
www.richardinfo.com

Richard Bennett
Independent Software Consultant
Leemputstraat 41
2600 Berchem, Belgium
Phone: + 32(0)475 71 91 84



----- Original Message -----
From: "Miller, Bart" <MillerB at bek.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: 20 June, 2001 22:15
Subject: [thelist] Checkbox margin removal problem


> I'm having a problem removing the margin around a checkbox so that it
lines
> up with other elements in a table.  Here's the code I'm using:
>
> <table>
> <tr><td><input></td></tr>
> <tr><td><input></td></tr>
> <tr><td style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><input type=checkbox
> style="margin:0px;padding:0px;"></td></tr>
> </table>
>
> But, alas, it still does not line up.  I now toss this problem out to the
> members of this list.  Red meat everyone!!
>
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From sam at sam-i-am.com  Wed Jun 20 16:07:38 2001
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Wed Jun 20 16:07:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
References: <FGEKIJDCADEFEBGHPLJKIEHHCDAA.cwilliams@compumodules.com>
Message-ID: <3B311044.25CC75B4@sam-i-am.com>

> Why in God's earth would you have need for 70 layers? 

*i* dont. I need maybe 4 or 5. But the designers do. In a scenario where
production is happening in parallel to design, I need to be able to work
with the latest comp. Ideally I would simply import my slices from the
last version, check it over and hit save optimised to complete the
update. (I'll try the suggestion to link the layers and drag them over..
that sounds promising). What I don't want to do is insert a load of
steps into this process - ocating and selectively merging layers doesn't
take too long the first time, the 2nd time it's getting tedious, the 3rd
time its become a real pain and impediment to productivity. (or
something like that.. I get bored easily :)

thanks,
Sam



From mail at richardinfo.com  Wed Jun 20 16:16:16 2001
From: mail at richardinfo.com (Richard Bennett)
Date: Wed Jun 20 16:16:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] Passing URL Value
References: <v0401170cb756b15d439a@[151.197.107.166]>
Message-ID: <02a401c0f9cd$87a93880$e93488d9@rich>

Client-side javascript will do this too, something like this:

Sending page:

<script language="JavaScript"><!--
    var originalURL = document.referrer||'Referrer unknown'

function goTo(url){
    location.href = url+'?'+ escape(originalURL);
}
//--></script>
<body>
<a href="http://www.cnn.com?Referrer%20unknown"
onclick="goTo('http://www.cnn.com');return false">go</a>
</body>


Receiving page:

<script language="JavaScript"><!--
    var originalURL = unescape(location.search.substring(1));
    alert(originalURL );
//--></script>

This should also work if javascript is not enabled, or the referrer value is
not available (if you opened the page from a bookmark)
I didn't test it so there might be some typos in it somewhere.

Cheers,
Richard Bennett

mail at richardinfo.com
www.richardinfo.com

Richard Bennett
Independent Software Consultant
Leemputstraat 41
2600 Berchem, Belgium
Phone: + 32(0)475 71 91 84



----- Original Message -----
From: "Clara Gruen" <clara at gradschools.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: 20 June, 2001 22:13
Subject: [thelist] Passing URL Value


> On my company's website, we have an inquiry system for students to send a
> profile to an institution they are applying to.  The system has multiple
> steps to it and once the student completes the steps and sends the
inquiry,
> the continue button takes them back to the page they came from.  An
example
> of this can be seen at:
> http://www.gradschools.com/listings/east/animal_east.html
>
> The system starts by clicking one of the email links in the program
> descriptions.
>
> All of our databases right now are in File Maker Pro and are in the
process
> of being converted to DB2 but this is being done in pieces.  The inquiry
> system is the first to move with the actual content being moved in a few
> months.  Right now, we use a plug-in program (FlexMail) to pass the URL of
> the referring page through the system.
>
> The question:  is there a javascript or some other easy way to capture the
> URL of a referring page so that it can be passed to the next page where
the
> inquiry system starts?  I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for the help!
>
> -Clara
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Clara Gruen
> Product Manager, Gradschools.com
> http://www.gradschools.com
> 1450 Edgmont Avenue
> Suite #140
> Chester, PA  19013  USA
> phone: 1-610-499-9200  fax: 1-610-499-9205
> toll free: 1-877-4040-EDU
> email: clara at gradschools.com
>
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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From jdowdell at macromedia.com  Wed Jun 20 16:30:31 2001
From: jdowdell at macromedia.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Wed Jun 20 16:30:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
Message-ID: <v02140b0ab756c4a8d1d4@[10.112.1.69]>

>>> Does anyone know a way to export/copy the slice information
>>> from one file to another?
>>
>> If you are using fireworks, or image ready or whatever, I think
>> you can delete all the images and save the file with only the
>> slices, and name it something like *template_blank*.
>>
> but how do I get my new comp... into this template?

In Fireworks, just copy that "Web Objects" layer from one document to the
other... you can transfer slicing patterns from file to file. (Associated
URLs and custom slice compression will be retained.) No "template" file is
needed in that approach, just copy the slices.


If you're only in ImageReady, then my memory is that this path may work:

1)  Copy everything from "content" document.

2)  Save-as the "slices" document under a new name.

3)  Select-all content in "slices" and paste.

Result: You're copying the content into the slices, rather than the slices
into the content.



> Actually if I could convert the slices into an image map....

In Fireworks, select slices, choose "Insert > Hotspot", and it will ask you
if you want a single hotspot for all selections, or one hotspot per
selected object.



jd








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From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Wed Jun 20 16:36:46 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Wed Jun 20 16:36:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] SiteServer indexing SQL
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339DF@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Finally put all our employee info into SQL; first task was to create our
online bios via template instead of static pages. 

Any pointers on indexing said SQL info with Site Server?

Joel D Canfield
Applications Manager
Magis Networks, Inc.
jcanfield at magisnetworks.com
858.523.2328 



From squid_66 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 16:47:37 2001
From: squid_66 at yahoo.com (J J)
Date: Wed Jun 20 16:47:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] SiteServer indexing SQL
In-Reply-To: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339DF@ns.magisnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <20010620214537.53926.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com>

Check the Index Server help files for info on indexing
SQL tables.  Otherwise, you could build your own
search engine by querying the database via user
selected parameters/info.



--- "Canfield, Joel" <JCanfield at magisnetworks.com>
wrote:
> Finally put all our employee info into SQL; first
> task was to create our
> online bios via template instead of static pages. 
> 
> Any pointers on indexing said SQL info with Site
> Server?
> 

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From mike at tokenzone.com  Wed Jun 20 17:04:23 2001
From: mike at tokenzone.com (Michael Stevens)
Date: Wed Jun 20 17:04:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
In-Reply-To: <3B311044.25CC75B4@sam-i-am.com>
Message-ID: <PEEFINEOJCNKLJFFDDFCAEFCCEAA.mike@tokenzone.com>

Sam,

I had the same problem and eventually I got the designers to use the slice
template I set up.  It doesn't kill them to have slice information in the
file while they're designing.  When they've got something to give me they
put the updated template on the server then I take it into Image Ready
(where I already have slice selections saved and whithin about 90 seconds
and a few clicks I have all the updated images.  It's sweet...I get bored
easily also.  I can't think of a bigger drag than slicing up a whole page
over and over again and having to retype the image names in the slices and
optimize again.

See if you can get them to use your templates...but you know how those
designers can get.  ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Sam-I-Am
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:06 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] image ready 2/3



> Why in God's earth would you have need for 70 layers?

*i* dont. I need maybe 4 or 5. But the designers do. In a scenario where
production is happening in parallel to design, I need to be able to work
with the latest comp. Ideally I would simply import my slices from the
last version, check it over and hit save optimised to complete the
update. (I'll try the suggestion to link the layers and drag them over..
that sounds promising). What I don't want to do is insert a load of
steps into this process - ocating and selectively merging layers doesn't
take too long the first time, the 2nd time it's getting tedious, the 3rd
time its become a real pain and impediment to productivity. (or
something like that.. I get bored easily :)

thanks,
Sam

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From beau at members.evolt.org  Wed Jun 20 17:15:18 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Wed Jun 20 17:15:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
In-Reply-To: <3B311044.25CC75B4@sam-i-am.com>
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKOEDACDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>

Here's what you do:

Duplicate the sliced file, and remove all of the layers, save it.

Open modified file (with hundreds of layers), open the empty sliced file
(with nothing but slices). Select the document with hundreds of layers.
Make a new action, and start recording this:

1. Go to Layer:Duplicate Layer. Make sure you duplicate the layer from the
file with hundreds of layers into the empty sliced file.

2. Press alt-] (it means "select forward layer" -- I'm not sure what the
equivalent is for the mac, probably command-] or option-]).

Now stop recording. Assign the action at hotkey, like F4 or something.
Start from the bottom, and press F4 a hundred times. All of the layers
should be duplicated exactly into the empty sliced file.

Email me offlist if you'd like to talk about the
"illustrator/photoshop/imageready/html" production process.

Beau

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Sam-I-Am
Sent: June 20, 2001 2:06 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] image ready 2/3

> Why in God's earth would you have need for 70 layers?

*i* dont. I need maybe 4 or 5. But the designers do. In a scenario where
production is happening in parallel to design, I need to be able to work
with the latest comp. Ideally I would simply import my slices from the
last version, check it over and hit save optimised to complete the
update. (I'll try the suggestion to link the layers and drag them over..
that sounds promising). What I don't want to do is insert a load of
steps into this process - ocating and selectively merging layers doesn't
take too long the first time, the 2nd time it's getting tedious, the 3rd
time its become a real pain and impediment to productivity. (or
something like that.. I get bored easily :)

thanks,
Sam

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From sam at sam-i-am.com  Wed Jun 20 17:27:04 2001
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Wed Jun 20 17:27:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
References: <v02140b0ab756c4a8d1d4@[10.112.1.69]>
Message-ID: <3B3122E5.A0AAC339@sam-i-am.com>

> In Fireworks, just copy that "Web Objects" layer from one document to the
> other... you can transfer slicing patterns from file to file. (Associated
> URLs and custom slice compression will be retained.) No "template" file is
> needed in that approach, just copy the slices.

ping pong. 
Might be time to switch back to fireworks. 

thanks John

<tip type="your browser is a development environment" author="sam-i-am">

IE 5.5 (pc)
This little bookmarklet will zoom in on the page. Useful I think. 

javascript:void(s=document.body.style);void(z=s.getAttribute('zoom'));if(z){if(z!='100%')s.setAttribute('zoom','100%');else
s.setAttribute('zoom','200%')}else s.setAttribute('zoom','200%');

unwrap it (it should be all on one line) and up to your links bar by
e.g. duplicating an existing favourite, and pasting this is as the Web
Document. I have a cheesy magnifying glass icon for mine. "Zoom" will
also do.

Hit the link to zoom, hit again to restore it.
</tip>



From edshuck at noevalley.com  Wed Jun 20 22:09:19 2001
From: edshuck at noevalley.com (Ed Shuck)
Date: Wed Jun 20 22:09:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] webmonkey redesign
References: <B74E5444.397B%charles@littlegreenfootballs.com>
Message-ID: <004301c0f506$7de2d340$d285a740@net.TheShuckGroup>

Two/three things i really like is that although the bg is very close to the
text in a few instances, the page is very readable.  I also like the one or
two pixel space from the gif/jpg to the text.  There is also an effective
use of the importance of the message by the degree of seperation from the
bg.
Overall, not something I would try but they pulled it off very nicely.
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles F. Johnson <charles at littlegreenfootballs.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] webmonkey redesign


> Daniel J. Cody <djc at starkmedia.com> typed:
>
> > this happened about a month ago i think.. not that i'm objective or
> > anything but it doesn't work well in mozilla(rollovers? funky ad
> > placement), the background *hurts* my eyes and gives me flashbacks. :)
>
> all i can think is that they're going for a pseudo-retro-futuristic thing.
>
> warning. designer out of control.
>
> charles johnson
> lgf web design
> http://littlegreenfootballs.com
>
>
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From warozzo at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 22:09:54 2001
From: warozzo at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dewara=20Sianipar?=)
Date: Wed Jun 20 22:09:54 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: thelist digest, Vol 1 #1421 - 30 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20010616162001.CF2E59A4@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20010617065841.31730.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com>

<original message>
From: "Peter-Paul Koch" <gassinaumasis at hotmail.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Weird IE behavior
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:31:25 -0000
Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org




>This is my first post. First pardon my English, I'm
>Indonesian.
>I have a weird behavior in IE 5.5 Windows 98. If I
>open two or more windows, when I switch to another
>window sometimes I can't open the File menu bar (and
>other options of course). I can only open it if only
I
>switch to another window and back again.
>Would you help me with this irritating behavior.

Sounds like a bug. Do you have a page we can view
where this happens? (URL 
please, no attachments).

ppk
</original message>

It happened to random sites. I think it's not a site
fault but IE's fault.

Any ideas why this happened?


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- Wilhelm si Pemberang






From codebitch at macedition.com  Wed Jun 20 22:11:26 2001
From: codebitch at macedition.com (CodeBitch)
Date: Wed Jun 20 22:11:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: A pixel need not be a pixel
Message-ID: <3b300bd0.fc.0@webcentral.com.au>

The issue in Opera 5/Mac does appear to be a "bug", but could well have been
one informed by the standard.

The discussion on littlegreenfootballs' weblog is very useful: <http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php?y=1&x=archives/00000525.htm>

In particular, a poster called Howard referenced the book by Lie and Bos (same
people who wrote the CSS spec), where it is made clear that px on computer screens
is physical pixels, but px units *elsewhere* may be something different. If
only the spec itself had been similarly clear! :-/  My suspicion, raised in
the article that started the kerfuffle in the first place, is that the Opera
engineers read the spec, understood the pixel-scaling issue and them misapplied
it to Mac OS screens because the OS says that it's 72ppi, even though it's clearly
not.

This still means that people styling fonts in pixel sizes for screen presentation
are in trouble as soon as 200dpi screens become commercially available, but
there is clearly going to be more breathing space before this happens.

I'm less convinced by the "browser conservatism" argument. Netscape 6 fixed
many CSS bugs in version 4, eg, background-color not going to the edge of block
elements without borders, and IE6 is fixing IE5's broken box model.

Regards,

CB


Peter-Paul Koch wrote:
-------------
Although you're right that some browser must start following the standards,

there are two distinct ways of implementing the standards:

1) Adding something new (like CSS2 or the W3C DOM) to your browser. This is

fine (great, in fact) and it happens all the time.
2) Revising something already present in the browsers because the current 
implementation does not exactly follow the standards. This, I think, cannot

be done and will not be done.

>What happens next is open to speculation, but I'd be in favor of revising 

>the standard, personally. What I've been saying on this thread is that I 
>think Opera got the standard right, but that the standard was wrong to say

>what it does.

Yes, I agree. What should happen is that W3C defines a new CSS unit which 
does what you've described. Once that is done, browsers can implement it as

a *new* standard, which is no problem at all.

<snip>

Unfortunately typography is not my main strength, so I cannot really answer

to this, but I still have the feeling that the standard is trying to change

the way we've always treated monitors. As I said before, adding something 
new is easy, but changing something that has been in use for years is much 

more difficult, if not impossible.

ppk




From doshea at surfree.com  Thu Jun 21 00:04:51 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Thu Jun 21 00:04:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay  [OT]
In-Reply-To: <ANEHKEMJEMCODFCKMFJGGEIBDDAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINAENACDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

John,

Thanks, I never actually knew what caused it, but since I went to manual
coding, I never had the problem again.

Unfortunately, my experience through Frontpage, since at the time I didn't
know manual coding, I had no idea how to get rid of that little space. Of
course, now I do. The problem with some of those WYSIWYG programs is that
you could spend all day at the end of that text and try to hit delete and
your cursor actually isn't on that little white space code to delete it. I
can't tell you the countless times I was at the end of the last character of
one paragraph, hit delete until the first character of the next paragraph
butted up, hit the 'enter' key (<p>) and voila, the same damn eyesore of
that extra vertical space.

When dealing with hundreds of pages as I was doing before using databases,
the 'shift+enter' keys (<br><br>) instead of the 'enter' key (<p>) was much
more efficient in time. Of course, all the extra coding was more
inefficient, as it is in those programs anyway.

...and actually, with little sites I build for various small fantasy
football leagues and such, I'll still use Frontpage and the <br><br>, as it
is much faster to complete the work with no complaints from the users.

But alas, my next suggestion, for those who are addicted to the WYSIWYG,
move on to manual coding, learn some manner and form of databasing along
with a script language. It's made my time, life, etc., more efficient as
well as sounder coding for the bigger customers who expect it.

Cheers,

Dan

> Umm... sorry about this but
>
> Whilst your quick fix will do the trick, the *cause* is
> usually a single space between the end of your text, outside
> any text formatting tags and before the paragraph break.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> John Handelaar
>




From doshea at surfree.com  Thu Jun 21 00:25:46 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Thu Jun 21 00:25:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] Search Engine Article From InternetDay  [OT]
In-Reply-To: <3B307A54.B85EDE09@rosa.com>
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINCENBCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

Hi Niklaus,

To add to your post and amend mine, I didn't mean for the word 'negative' to
apply towards me. I meant for the word 'negative' to apply towards Aesop.
Which I took a positive note from those who were negative towards Aesop. It
very much appears they did, and you did, some homework and enlightened me
about it.

Thanks also for the further comments.

Dan O.

> Just so you know: My comments on Aesop were actually completely neutral
> and not  at all directed at you personally. In fact I found your post
> rather interesting. It made me do some research and I learned something
> (that the Aesop meta tag isn't something I have to worry about). Don't
> feel discouraged to post to the list just because of this one small
> slip. I think had some similary wrong/useless posts, too. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Niklaus.
>
> --
> Niklaus Haldimann, Frontend Engineer
> At Work: http://www.rosa.com
> At Play: http://www.ubique.ch
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From jjsteele22 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 21 00:34:11 2001
From: jjsteele22 at yahoo.com (jon steele)
Date: Thu Jun 21 00:34:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion: reading user files
Message-ID: <20010621020847.72341.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

I've hit a little snag which should be (in my opinion) pretty
staightforward.

I have a CF app on a local server working great. It gets a user-defined
file (using a <input type=file>) and reads the contents using a
<CFFILE> tag. But when I upload the app to my remote server, it gives a
coldfusion error "file not found, error in CFFILE tag". I think it's
getting confused. It says the filepath correctly, but since it is a
windows NT server, it tries to look for the files on the server. How
can I fix this? I tried adding file:/// before the path in the <CFFILE>
tag but it still doesn't work. Is this a security issue: not being able
to read user files? Do I need to upload the file then read it?

Thanks,
Jon.

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From djc at starkmedia.com  Thu Jun 21 00:47:08 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu Jun 21 00:47:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] recent evolt problems..
Message-ID: <3B31894C.8000502@starkmedia.com>

hey folks -

this is gonna be short and sweet..

around 6pm cst tonite the server that hosts the evolt mailing 
lists(lists.evolt.org), browsers/directory/admin/ and members.evolt.org 
went down. at first glance and without giving shit away, it looks like 
someone exploited a members.evolt.org account with a PHP script. for 
those that dont know, we host around 600 websites for evolt members and 
offer them PHP, cold fusion, cgi and a number of other resources to 
further their web development skills.. apparently someone somehow took 
advantage of that generosity and used a PHP script to wipe out everyone 
elses accounts.

this affects *all* members.evolt.org accounts, including 
lists,directory,admin, and browsers.evolt.org. untill i figure out how 
they got the script to wipe a couple hundred GB's of data, i've shut the 
web and db servers and all other non-essential services on that machine 
down.

www.evolt.org is fine and working however, as its on a seperate system.

the evolt mailing lists are now up and fine as well

when i'm done pouring over logfiles and figuring out just how it 
happened, data will be restored from a backup that was made on wednesday.
bearing my frustration here and trying not to sound like an asshole to 
everyone else, but i'm sure whoever it was that pulled this little stunt 
off is on one of our lists, which is why i'm sending this to everyone.

i'd just like to point out to this person that the log files you 'wiped 
out' just happened to also get spooled to a fucking printer. i've 
already got an ip and a more than helpful sys admin from your isp with 
radius logs in his hands.
on the phone.
right now.

apologies to everyone else for the downtime this evening, sorry it took 
so long(milaukee beervolt tonite), everything should be smurfy in the 
morning.

.djc.







From isaac at members.evolt.org  Thu Jun 21 01:29:06 2001
From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac)
Date: Thu Jun 21 01:29:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] OT-Portfolio
In-Reply-To: <3B30ABC5.4080700@nota-bene.org>
Message-ID: <CKEIJNPMACBAAGMEBNNIGECMCJAA.isaac@members.evolt.org>

Hi,

You can find a listing of Australian portfolios (individuals and companies)
here:

http://www.australianinfront.com.au/links.html


isaac

--------------------------------------------------------------
triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067
0414 758 000 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au




From cvos at netpaths.net  Thu Jun 21 03:05:31 2001
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Thu Jun 21 03:05:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] installing Real Streaming on BSD
Message-ID: <3B31A9E9.83C1C5DE@netpaths.net>

Has anyone ever installed realaudio streaming server 8 on a BSD 4.2 box?  we are trying up here, and
are having problems with its autorun graphical setup system.  I downloaded a file with a .bin
extension from real.com but it doesnt seem to want to go (we are administrating it remotely)  the
web server is apache, and webmin is installed (helpfull?)



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360.714.8395 office
360.223.7799 cell

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From schaz at ozemail.com.au  Thu Jun 21 03:40:31 2001
From: schaz at ozemail.com.au (Schaz)
Date: Thu Jun 21 03:40:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] margins help
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010621182457.00a6faa0@pop.ozemail.com.au>

Background:
Government website, attempting to fit within Priority 1, 2 & partial 3 
accessibility (needs to have full Priority 1 and 2 - we thought we'd 
attempt to go partial 3 if possible).

Problem:
The site I'm currently working on has an SSI for the navbar (which sits 
inside a table with a custom class attached to it) along the top and we 
want this to sit flush left & top so the margins have been set 0 for left & 
top in the linked css. This is where we have the problem - now all the text 
is flushed left against the margin.

Is there a way of getting a margin for everything else but the SSI which 
needs to be flush top & left?

What I've tried:
custom class with a left-margin of -5px and then "attaching" this to a div 
around the call for the SSI - problem with this is then the navbar is 5px 
short on the right-hand side of the page (navbar table is set to be 100%);
left-margin zero & text-indent of 10px - then I get a reverse hanging 
indent on all the text

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

)O(
Giggles & Moonbeams
Schaz

- Get a taste for religion, Lick a Witch!




From sfmalo at email.msn.com  Thu Jun 21 05:25:56 2001
From: sfmalo at email.msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Thu Jun 21 05:25:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
Message-ID: <016d01c0fa3b$c7f04280$cb241b3f@oemcomputer>

I see from another list that NN 6.1 PR1 is now available. Anyone using it
yet and, if so, what do you think of it?

Sharon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"web design and Internet writing services"
http://www.24caratdesign.com




From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Thu Jun 21 07:10:21 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Thu Jun 21 07:10:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion: reading user files
In-Reply-To: <20010621020847.72341.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIKEMOJAAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

ColdFusion cannot read a file on the user's machine. If it could, this would
be a major security problem. In order to read the file you will need to do
one of two things:

1) Make the user upload the file first. (best solution)

2) Use special Java or JavaScript to read the file. This can only be done w/
signed scripts which is a real pain in the rear. (Or it was when I did it w/
Netscape and JavaScript a few years ago.)

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of jon steele
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:09 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion: reading user files
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've hit a little snag which should be (in my opinion) pretty
> staightforward.
>
> I have a CF app on a local server working great. It gets a user-defined
> file (using a <input type=file>) and reads the contents using a
> <CFFILE> tag. But when I upload the app to my remote server, it gives a
> coldfusion error "file not found, error in CFFILE tag". I think it's
> getting confused. It says the filepath correctly, but since it is a
> windows NT server, it tries to look for the files on the server. How
> can I fix this? I tried adding file:/// before the path in the <CFFILE>
> tag but it still doesn't work. Is this a security issue: not being able
> to read user files? Do I need to upload the file then read it?
>




From roselli at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 21 07:38:11 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Thu Jun 21 07:38:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] margins help
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010621182457.00a6faa0@pop.ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <3B31B141.15513.1B1D8AA3@localhost>

> From: Schaz <schaz at ozemail.com.au>
[...] 
> Problem:
> The site I'm currently working on has an SSI for the navbar (which
> sits inside a table with a custom class attached to it) along the top
> and we want this to sit flush left & top so the margins have been set
> 0 for left & top in the linked css. This is where we have the problem
> - now all the text is flushed left against the margin.
> 
> Is there a way of getting a margin for everything else but the SSI
> which needs to be flush top & left?

ok, you using tables for layout?  or trying the whole CSS-P thing?   
i've done this is both ways...

if you're using tables, try adding a blank cell/column before the 
copy with a &nbsp; (or more)... set your page margins to 0, and 
that should work...

if not using tables, set your page margins to 0, and then either 
class or use an inline style to set your padding-left or margin-left 
(depending on what works best when your other CSS is weighed 
in) on your content box... you may want to set the margin-
right/padding-right as well...

if that don't help, post a URL...




From mpember at phreaker.net  Thu Jun 21 07:54:01 2001
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Thu Jun 21 07:54:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
References: <016d01c0fa3b$c7f04280$cb241b3f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <3B31ED98.CCBEC90A@phreaker.net>

I'm not using Netscape 6.1, but Mozilla 0.91.  They are basically the same.

As someone who still uses 4.77 and avoids IE whenever possible, I am probably a
bit bias.  However, I have found that it is finally starting to look like a
browser.

The 0.6 realease (used for Netscape 6.0 / 6.01) had too many features missing
from it and as such left a lot to be desired.

0.91 is only missing one major feature that I think should have been working a
while ago and that is LiveConnect.  I required this for a project I was working
on and as such had to tell all my users that NS6 / Mozilla was unsupported.
This didn't go down too well.

In closing, great browser that is only missing a few things.  I look forward to
1.0 with great anticipation.

sfmalo wrote:

> I see from another list that NN 6.1 PR1 is now available. Anyone using it
> yet and, if so, what do you think of it?
>
> Sharon
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sharon F. Malone
> "web design and Internet writing services"
> http://www.24caratdesign.com
>
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ICQ: 12107010






From shinji at kuwayama.com  Thu Jun 21 08:41:36 2001
From: shinji at kuwayama.com (Shinji Kuwayama)
Date: Thu Jun 21 08:41:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] Affordable ColdFusion hosting
In-Reply-To: <200106190108.SAA06443@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <B75762F6.89C%shinji@kuwayama.com>

on 6/18/01 8:08 PM, Jason Whitman at jason at bigfatsite.com wrote:

> Could someone recommend an affordable ColdFusion hosting company for a

I'm using http://www.crystaltech.com/

-- 
Shinji Kuwayama
Director, Internet Development
http://www.internetcoach.com/




From seth at sethbienek.com  Thu Jun 21 08:47:01 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Thu Jun 21 08:47:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] The Saga Continues: States issue warning to Microsoft.. (was 'Smart Tags Not')
Message-ID: <000701c0fa57$c2723fe0$2f01010a@dti2>

States issue warning to Microsoft
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2778871,00.html


To sum up:
"Attorneys General Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Tom Miller of Iowa issued a terse news release Wednesday afternoon saying they have "serious concerns" about Microsoft's "very troubling" strategy for its Windows XP operating system, which will debut in the fall."
...

"Critics say the company is reverting to old tactics by loading Windows XP with features such as instant messaging and Smart Tags, which gives Microsoft some greater control over consumers' Internet use. Windows is the operating system on roughly 92 percent of all personal computers around the world."
...

"Microsoft dismissed the attorneys' general concerns, noting that the newest operating system was designed to "deliver the best experience to users," not necessarily to force out rivals. "
...

"Meanwhile, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer paid a "courtesy call" Tuesday to Vice President Dick Cheney to discuss a range of issues but did not bring up the imminent appellate ruling [of the current pending suit against Microsoft]."


The whole article warrants reading by anyone interested in the topic.  Lotsa good stuff, plus some insight into Microsoft's likely legal strategy.


Seth

-----------------------------------
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tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103
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From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 09:18:06 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Thu Jun 21 09:18:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
Message-ID: <LAW2-F73Tlz6xT3R3fe000155aa@hotmail.com>


>I see from another list that NN 6.1 PR1 is now available. Anyone using it 
>yet and, if so, what do you think of it?

OK-ish, a little faster than 6.01, a little more fluent with everything. 
However, mouseovers are deteriorating fast. See 
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/index.html?browsers.html#nn6 for some of my 
comments.

ppk
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From fayec at canada.com  Thu Jun 21 09:59:31 2001
From: fayec at canada.com (FayeC)
Date: Thu Jun 21 09:59:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cleaning cookies on NS
Message-ID: <3B320ADD.49F637A1@canada.com>

Hi,

I need to clean some cookies from my Netscape...
Can someone give me the instructions on how to do it?
I tried cleaning my disk and memory cache but it didn't help....
Any tips?

FayeC



From sam at sam-i-am.com  Thu Jun 21 10:06:06 2001
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Thu Jun 21 10:06:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cleaning cookies on NS
References: <3B320ADD.49F637A1@canada.com>
Message-ID: <3B320CAE.1E309A23@sam-i-am.com>

your cookies are in a cookies.txt file under your profile in netscape. 
On a pc this is something like c:\Program Files\Netscape\users\your
name\cookies.txt
You can delete lines selectively, or just wipe the whole file. Netscape
will create a fresh one when it restarts. 
AFAIK the cookies are help in memory until you quit netscape. So making
changes to the file will do nothing while Netscape is running. 

hth
Sam

FayeC wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I need to clean some cookies from my Netscape...
> Can someone give me the instructions on how to do it?
> I tried cleaning my disk and memory cache but it didn't help....
> Any tips?
> 
> FayeC



From mpember at phreaker.net  Thu Jun 21 10:10:51 2001
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Thu Jun 21 10:10:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cleaning cookies on NS
References: <3B320ADD.49F637A1@canada.com>
Message-ID: <3B320CEA.A94CFD20@phreaker.net>

It should be possible to open your cookies.txt (in the profile
directory) and remove the lines relative to the sites that you want to
remove the cookies for.

I have not tested this, backup your cookies.txt file before trying it.
Also, make sure that your browser is not running when you make the
change.

FayeC wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I need to clean some cookies from my Netscape...
> Can someone give me the instructions on how to do it?
> I tried cleaning my disk and memory cache but it didn't help....
> Any tips?
>
> FayeC
>
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From jcrawford at avencom.com  Thu Jun 21 10:11:37 2001
From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford)
Date: Thu Jun 21 10:11:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Cleaning cookies on NS
In-Reply-To: <3B320ADD.49F637A1@canada.com>
Message-ID: <B7575BCD.3E5F%jcrawford@avencom.com>

FayeC wrote:
> I need to clean some cookies from my Netscape...
> Can someone give me the instructions on how to do it?
> I tried cleaning my disk and memory cache but it didn't help....
> Any tips?

You have key information missing from this post --
    What operating system are you running?
    What version of Netscape's browser are you running?

In any case, I usually do a "Find File" for the word "cookie" and then I can
find the cookie file. Then I use a vanilla text editor to delete the things
I want to delete.

I believe on the wintel side the cookies file is called "magiccookie.txt."

    - Joe <http://artlung.com/>
--
...................  Joe Crawford \\ Web Design & Development
.....  mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com \\ http://www.avencom.com
.... San Diego \\ CA \\ USA \\ AVENCOM: Set Your Sites Higher




From BKing at Impact-Technologies.com  Thu Jun 21 10:23:37 2001
From: BKing at Impact-Technologies.com (Brian King)
Date: Thu Jun 21 10:23:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
In-Reply-To: <77CABDAF62AFD411AEA800D0B78491370C07E6@ITG_B02>
Message-ID: <77CABDAF62AFD411AEA800D0B78491370B1C3D@ITG_B02>

I do what you are talking about all of the time.  I doesn't take hard work
once you understand how image ready works.  With the history and macro
features can save you a lot of time if you use them to your advantage.  You
shouldn't ever have to reperform laborious tasks more then once. Just use
the features available to you.  I think that Image Ready has Fireworks beat
in that area.  I use the macro building feature a lot for custom tasks that
I want to do.  I never have to do them again and I end up with a package
that has my needs built into it when I am done, can Fireworks do that?

Beau had it down.  It's real simple.

Here's what you do:

Duplicate the sliced file, and remove all of the layers, save it.

Open modified file (with hundreds of layers), open the empty sliced file
(with nothing but slices). Select the document with hundreds of layers.
Make a new action, and start recording this:

1. Go to Layer:Duplicate Layer. Make sure you duplicate the layer from the
file with hundreds of layers into the empty sliced file.

2. Press alt-] (it means "select forward layer" -- I'm not sure what the
equivalent is for the mac, probably command-] or option-]).

Now stop recording. Assign the action at hotkey, like F4 or something.
Start from the bottom, and press F4 a hundred times. All of the layers
should be duplicated exactly into the empty sliced file.



 -----Original Message-----
From: 	thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]
On Behalf Of Sam-I-Am
Sent:	Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:26 PM
To:	thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject:	Re: [thelist] image ready 2/3

> In Fireworks, just copy that "Web Objects" layer from one document to the
> other... you can transfer slicing patterns from file to file. (Associated
> URLs and custom slice compression will be retained.) No "template" file is
> needed in that approach, just copy the slices.

ping pong.
Might be time to switch back to fireworks.

thanks John

<tip type="your browser is a development environment" author="sam-i-am">

IE 5.5 (pc)
This little bookmarklet will zoom in on the page. Useful I think.

javascript:void(s=document.body.style);void(z=s.getAttribute('zoom'));if(z){
if(z!='100%')s.setAttribute('zoom','100%');else
s.setAttribute('zoom','200%')}else s.setAttribute('zoom','200%');

unwrap it (it should be all on one line) and up to your links bar by
e.g. duplicating an existing favourite, and pasting this is as the Web
Document. I have a cheesy magnifying glass icon for mine. "Zoom" will
also do.

Hit the link to zoom, hit again to restore it.
</tip>

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From K_HEYTINK at winebow.com  Thu Jun 21 10:35:06 2001
From: K_HEYTINK at winebow.com (Kathleen Heytink)
Date: Thu Jun 21 10:35:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] The Saga Continues: States issue warning to Microso
	ft.. (was 'Smart Tags Not')
Message-ID: <4633834D5345D5119F9F00508BB02DED04CC0D@nj10-exchange.winebow.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Bienek [mailto:seth at sethbienek.com]

> States issue warning to Microsoft
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2778871,00.html
> 

I've been following the series of articles on ZDnet for a few days.  I've
also been reading the comments readers have posted and I've never seen so
much pro-Microsoft sentiment in one place (outside their corporate
headquarters that is).  Makes me wonder if they are all Microsoft employees
- or at least Microsoft shills <g>.  

If so, it seems to me that there are better ways in which they could be
gainfully employed.  I truly wish that M$ and Mr. Gates could get it through
their heads:
     a) that they have no clue what I, as a user, want
     b) that despite what they believe, they do not know what is best for me
     c) that their idea of "the best experience," and mine differ greatly

I do not think I am alone in this.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm beginning to wish I'd started with
a MAC!

<tip type="Homesite">
If you need to strip the code from a web page or just a section of a web
page, highlight it, then right click and chose "selection."  The options are
"strip tags" and "strip outermost tags."  Use "strip tags" with caution
because it will strip all tags including anchor tags and image tags that you
may wish to keep.  If you do wish to keep them, simply highlight the
sections that do not contain anchors or images.
</tip>

Kath Heytink
Web Designer
Winebow, Inc
www.winebow.com



From r937 at interlog.com  Thu Jun 21 10:54:46 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Thu Jun 21 10:54:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] Toronto Beervolt June 23
Message-ID: <01c0fa69$ef65a520$f14a149a@rudy>

anybody in toronto this weekend?

please join us for a friendly get-together on saturday june 23

location to be determined (suggestions welcome)

so far, 7 people confirmed

contact me (r937 at interlog.com) or michele (michele at wordpro.on.ca)
off list for details

<tip>
does your page start with a logo?
want to place some keywords ahead of the logo 
in the source code for the sake of search engines?
    <h1 title="main site keywords here"
         ><img alt="logo description here"
                  src="path/logo.jpg"
        /></h1>
not sure what the "tooltip" ramifications are, 
but i don't think search engines would consider
this to be keyword spamming....
</tip>

rudy





From seth at sethbienek.com  Thu Jun 21 10:55:46 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Thu Jun 21 10:55:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] CSS: radio button inline with text - how?
Message-ID: <000d01c0fa69$daaf1030$2f01010a@dti2>

Hi Y'all,

I am working on a form where I need radio buttons inline with text.  I could do this by using tables extensively, but I know it can be done with CSS and save me (and my users) some bandwidth at the same time.  

Here's what I have in a table cell:

Sex:&nbsp;<input type="radio" name="applicantSex" value="M">M&nbsp;&nbsp;<input type="radio" name="applicantSex" value="F">F&nbsp;

(note that I have removed the 'experimental' inline css for brevity)

Can anyone offer suggestions on cross-browser css designations to keep this from wrapping at the radio buttons?

Thanks in advance,

Seth

-----------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Digitaris Technologies, Inc.
tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103
fax (972) 690-0617
icq 7673959
----------------------------------- 





From emeyer at lclark.edu  Thu Jun 21 11:02:06 2001
From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:02:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] The Saga Continues: States issue warning to Microso
 	ft.. (was 'Smart Tags Not')
In-Reply-To:  <4633834D5345D5119F9F00508BB02DED04CC0D@nj10-exchange.winebow.com>
References:  <4633834D5345D5119F9F00508BB02DED04CC0D@nj10-exchange.winebow.com>
Message-ID: <a05100305b757c860dead@[149.175.43.62]>

Kathleen wrote:

>I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm beginning to wish I'd started with
>a MAC!

honey, it isn't too late.
I heart my Mac.

There's also Linux.

In short, you are a free woman,
and there are options.

Erika

<tip type="spelling" author="erika">
Working with a text editor?  Having problems with spelling but don't 
have a dictionary or decent spell checker handy?  You can try typing 
the word in question into the google.com search box.   If you spell 
it wrong, it will ask you "did you mean _________?" hopefully 
offering the correct spelling.
</tip>
-- 



From nsg_chong at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 11:15:56 2001
From: nsg_chong at hotmail.com (Jelle Desramaults)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:15:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
Message-ID: <OE722LTrpwACkWHZqYW00000e62@hotmail.com>

Evolters,

When we launch our new company website we want to send a flashy email to all
our contacts/prospects.
I've played around a bit with an email on different platforms and some
platforms/email clients don't read the HTML the right way
because they have HTML switched of (or whatever).

What i'm looking for is a way to check if HTML is switched on or off and
then display text or HTML version (thus avoiding any
ugly emails that will drive our prospects to the firm next door) .

thx, jelle



From K_HEYTINK at winebow.com  Thu Jun 21 11:16:21 2001
From: K_HEYTINK at winebow.com (Kathleen Heytink)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:16:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] The Saga Continues: States issue warning to Microso
	 ft.. (was 'Smart Tags Not')
Message-ID: <4633834D5345D5119F9F00508BB02DED04CC0F@nj10-exchange.winebow.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika Meyer [mailto:emeyer at lclark.edu]

 
> honey, it isn't too late.
> I heart my Mac.
> 
> There's also Linux.
> 
> In short, you are a free woman,
> and there are options.

Ah yes, but they are very expensive options because switching to MAC or
Linux also means replacing all my software (an extensive collection attained
by first saving to buy the programs, then carefully upgrading) and all my
peripherals - scanner, tablet, zip drive, R/W CD rom etc.  Arrrrrgh!

Not to mention our personal network and new cable modem.  Also my laptop and
the PC I use at work would no longer be compatible.  And they say M$ has no
monopoly - ha!

<tip type"Homesite"> 
Love that right click/selection option.  You can also add line breaks and
change case within the selection.
<tip>

Kath Heytink
Web Designer
Winebow, Inc
www.winebow.com



From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Thu Jun 21 11:18:51 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:18:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] SSI on Apache
Message-ID: <3CB23A9F8C3DD511BC2500508BC741332DF9A0@MAILHOST>

I  am trying to set up  SSI on Apache
So far I have added :
Srm.conf
   AddType text/html .shtml
  AddHandler server-parsed.shtml
Access.conf
  Options+ Includes

My embedded include statement
<!--#include virtual="/global/page_name.shtml" -->
Which file do I edit to point to the global directory? How do I write this
statement?
I also have this statement on every page
<!--#set var="title" value="title_of_page" -->
Which file do I edit to activate this ? How do I write this statement?


Thanks  Malcolm





From MPlunkett at msa.com  Thu Jun 21 11:20:06 2001
From: MPlunkett at msa.com (Plunkett, Matt)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:20:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] The Saga Continues: States issue warning to Microso
	 ft.. (was 'Smart Tags Not')
Message-ID: <A2315DA21464D511B60A0008C75941A7372A3E@MESQUITE.msais.com>

Cable modem works with Linux, as will most of your devices probably.  Check
out Mandrake linux...it has an excellent installation program.  Software is
a big hurdle, unfortunately. :P

	<snip>

	Ah yes, but they are very expensive options because switching to MAC
or
	Linux also means replacing all my software (an extensive collection
attained
	by first saving to buy the programs, then carefully upgrading) and
all my
	peripherals - scanner, tablet, zip drive, R/W CD rom etc.  Arrrrrgh!

	Not to mention our personal network and new cable modem.  Also my
laptop and
	the PC I use at work would no longer be compatible.  And they say M$
has no
	monopoly - ha!

	<snip> 



From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Thu Jun 21 11:22:42 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:22:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
Message-ID: <3CB23A9F8C3DD511BC2500508BC741332DF9AB@MAILHOST>

<!---   plain text message ---->




(insert large amounts of vertical whitespace here)









HTML coded message here






-----Original Message-----
From: Jelle Desramaults [mailto:nsg_chong at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:12 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email

Evolters,

When we launch our new company website we want to send a flashy email to all
our contacts/prospects.
I've played around a bit with an email on different platforms and some
platforms/email clients don't read the HTML the right way
because they have HTML switched of (or whatever).

What i'm looking for is a way to check if HTML is switched on or off and
then display text or HTML version (thus avoiding any
ugly emails that will drive our prospects to the firm next door) .

thx, jelle

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From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Thu Jun 21 11:27:27 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:27:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339EA@ns.magisnetworks.com>

If I have HTML turned on (I don't! I don't!) won't I just see the plain text
message?

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: McAtee, Malcolm [mailto:MMcAtee at philamuseum.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:20 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] HTML in email


<!---   plain text message ---->




(insert large amounts of vertical whitespace here)









HTML coded message here






-----Original Message-----
From: Jelle Desramaults [mailto:nsg_chong at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:12 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email

Evolters,

When we launch our new company website we want to send a flashy email to all
our contacts/prospects.
I've played around a bit with an email on different platforms and some
platforms/email clients don't read the HTML the right way
because they have HTML switched of (or whatever).

What i'm looking for is a way to check if HTML is switched on or off and
then display text or HTML version (thus avoiding any
ugly emails that will drive our prospects to the firm next door) .

thx, jelle

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From peter at vardus.com  Thu Jun 21 11:28:12 2001
From: peter at vardus.com (Peter Van Dijck)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:28:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] successful web projects
In-Reply-To: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMAELJEOAA.richard.morris@web-designers.
 co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010613022859.009ec800@tookish.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.20010621171850.0312a220@mail.vardus.net>

Hi,
I am looking for typical problems in a web development project from a 
client's point of view. Any resources, ideas?
for example: not setting evaluation goals at the beginning makes it hard to 
prove to your boss you did a good job at the end.
Thanks for ideas!
Peter
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://liga1.com building multiple language/culture websites
http://poorbuthappy.editthispage.com online ethnology, up&down




From anns at ci.concord.ca.us  Thu Jun 21 11:29:12 2001
From: anns at ci.concord.ca.us (Stephens, Ann)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:29:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Menu Problems
Message-ID: <B1FAB4AC6696D311AC0A0000F6AF745AEC126D@CONCORDMAIL>

I designed my page in Fireworks 4 using the Popup Menu feature and then
imported it into Dreamweaver 4. Fireworks scripts that I'm calling from
Dreamweaver templates. The scripts are fw_menu.js and load_menus.js (the
latter was originally in the template file, but I removed it to a separate
file) and can be found at http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/fw_menu.js
and http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/load_menus.js. These are causing
my pages (http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/) to load way too slow! I'm pretty
clueless on JavaScript (though I can manage to find lines in the file and
make changes, like the links for the menus). Can anyone give me suggestions
on getting the scripts to load more quickly? I've tried pages without the
scripts and they seem to load nicely and I can disable the active scripting
in IE and get these to load fairly quickly despite the number of graphics on
the page. I like this method of site navigation (and so does my boss, so...)
and would like to find a solution other than disabling this menu system.

Many thanks to all.

Ann
anns at ci.concord.ca.us 



From jlam at popcast.com  Thu Jun 21 11:29:41 2001
From: jlam at popcast.com (Johnny Lam)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:29:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP and mysql
Message-ID: <E43E6EC47A729A43BCFEDBACEC3C9C989D2685@POPES01.popcast.com>

Hello all,

I've been trying to connect to mysql with php. I get this error:

"Call to unsupported or undefined function mysql_connect()..."

I've tried to recompile php with "--with-mysql" and that didn't seem to
work. I'm running RedHat 6.2, php 3.0.18-1.6.x, mysql 3.23.39-1. I know RH
7.1 has a php-mysql package, but is there something similar for RH6.2? Any
help would this matter would be great... Thanks. 

-Johnny



From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Thu Jun 21 11:29:47 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:29:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
Message-ID: <3CB23A9F8C3DD511BC2500508BC741332DF9B7@MAILHOST>

No because it is commented out (<!---   --->)

-----Original Message-----
From: Canfield, Joel [mailto:JCanfield at magisnetworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:24 AM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] HTML in email

If I have HTML turned on (I don't! I don't!) won't I just see the plain text
message?

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: McAtee, Malcolm [mailto:MMcAtee at philamuseum.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:20 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] HTML in email


<!---   plain text message ---->




(insert large amounts of vertical whitespace here)









HTML coded message here






-----Original Message-----
From: Jelle Desramaults [mailto:nsg_chong at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:12 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email

Evolters,

When we launch our new company website we want to send a flashy email to all
our contacts/prospects.
I've played around a bit with an email on different platforms and some
platforms/email clients don't read the HTML the right way
because they have HTML switched of (or whatever).

What i'm looking for is a way to check if HTML is switched on or off and
then display text or HTML version (thus avoiding any
ugly emails that will drive our prospects to the firm next door) .

thx, jelle

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From matt at sweetillusions.org  Thu Jun 21 11:31:22 2001
From: matt at sweetillusions.org (matt newell)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:31:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] successful web projects
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010613022859.009ec800@tookish.net> <4.3.2.20010621171850.0312a220@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <02b601c0fa6f$1b04d7f0$6900000a@tendocom.org>

i might suggest doing a look on amazon for anything relating to "managing
customer expectations" (not CRM).

in my experience in this industry, and others ... if the client's
expectations are not in line with the real picture of what's happening with
the end product (website or otherwise) ... its bound to get messy.


hth,

        .. matt

        .. www.sweetillusions.org
        .. matt at sweetillusions.org

        .. any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it. - thoreau
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Van Dijck" <peter at vardus.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: [thelist] successful web projects


: Hi,
: I am looking for typical problems in a web development project from a
: client's point of view. Any resources, ideas?
: for example: not setting evaluation goals at the beginning makes it hard
to
: prove to your boss you did a good job at the end.
: Thanks for ideas!
: Peter
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: http://liga1.com building multiple language/culture websites
: http://poorbuthappy.editthispage.com online ethnology, up&down
:
:
: ---------------------------------------
: For unsubscribe and other options, including
: the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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From jay at trans-city.com  Thu Jun 21 11:36:12 2001
From: jay at trans-city.com (Jay Greenspan)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:36:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP and mysql
In-Reply-To: <E43E6EC47A729A43BCFEDBACEC3C9C989D2685@POPES01.popcast.com>
Message-ID: <200106211632.QAA45213023@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net>

Do yourself a favor and start by updating your PHP version. The 4.x 
versions are a _vast_ improvement over anything in the 3.x range. There 
are RPMs at the php.net site, I believe.

-j


On Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 12:23 PM, Johnny Lam wrote:

> I've tried to recompile php with "--with-mysql" and that didn't seem to
> work. I'm running RedHat 6.2, php 3.0.18-1.6.x, mysql 3.23.39-1. I know 
> RH
> 7.1 has a php-mysql package, but is there something similar for RH6.2? 
> Any
> help would this matter would be great... Thanks.



From jlam at popcast.com  Thu Jun 21 11:41:37 2001
From: jlam at popcast.com (Johnny Lam)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:41:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP and mysql
Message-ID: <E43E6EC47A729A43BCFEDBACEC3C9C989D2686@POPES01.popcast.com>

So just compile the source for 4.0.x? The only RPMs available is for RH7.1.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Greenspan [mailto:jay at trans-city.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:32 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] PHP and mysql


Do yourself a favor and start by updating your PHP version. The 4.x 
versions are a _vast_ improvement over anything in the 3.x range. There 
are RPMs at the php.net site, I believe.

-j


On Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 12:23 PM, Johnny Lam wrote:

> I've tried to recompile php with "--with-mysql" and that didn't seem to
> work. I'm running RedHat 6.2, php 3.0.18-1.6.x, mysql 3.23.39-1. I know 
> RH
> 7.1 has a php-mysql package, but is there something similar for RH6.2? 
> Any
> help would this matter would be great... Thanks.

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From quackamoe at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 21 11:42:42 2001
From: quackamoe at yahoo.com (Quackamoe)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:42:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] SSI on Apache 
Message-ID: <20010621163905.36141.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

Malcom McAtee wrote:
         
> I  am trying to set up  SSI on Apache

That's a /good/ thing!

> So far I have added :
> Srm.conf
>   AddType text/html .shtml
>  AddHandler server-parsed.shtml
> Access.conf
>  Options+ Includes

First off, all this should/could be in one httpd.conf
file rather than srm.conf and access.conf. What
version
of Apache are you running?

The plus sign seems to be optional, I don't use it for
Apaches that I'm running on HP-UX, Solaris, Win9x.

> My embedded include statement
> <!--#include virtual="/global/page_name.shtml" -->
> Which file do I edit to point to the global 
> directory?  How do I write this statement?

Not sure what you're asking here. Here's a couple of
tutorials that might help though:

  http://mkruse.netexpress.net/info/ssi/
  http://www.carleton.ca/~dmcfet/html/ssi1.html
 
http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/html/97/07/index2a.html?tw=html

> I also have this statement on every page
> <!--#set var="title" value="title_of_page" -->

I don't see "set" as an option for SSI. Nor
is "title_of_page" on my list. 
(http://www.anu.edu.au/web/authors/resources/ssisum.php)

<!--#echo var="DOCUMENT_NAME"--> Will show the
filename of 
the document. See the URL for other variables
available.
Note that these are case sensitive. Where did you get
'set var="title" value="title_of_page"'?

> Which file do I edit to activate this ? 
> How do I write this statement?

Again, not sure what you're asking. Look through the
tutorials and if they don't clear things up for you,
or if you've already read them, maybe rephrase the
question.

HTH,

Terry Fowler


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From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Thu Jun 21 11:43:17 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:43:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339EC@ns.magisnetworks.com>

<spoken voice="Homer Simpson" timbre="embarassed">D'oh! </spoken>

<tip type="Windows">
Windows machines ship with filename extensions turned off by default. If the
operating system knows which application the file is associated with, you
see only the filename, not the extension; i.e. 'myfile' instead of
'myfile.txt'

The most egregious issue with this is the fact that VBScript viruses often
masquerade as other file types, since the '.vbs' on the end isn't displayed.

To turn extensions ON in Win2K:

1. Open Windows Explorer
2. Click 'Tools | Folder Options'
3. UNCHECK the box 'Hide file extensions for known file types'

Process is similar for Win9x/ME
</tip>

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: McAtee, Malcolm [mailto:MMcAtee at philamuseum.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:27 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] HTML in email


No because it is commented out (<!---   --->)

-----Original Message-----
From: Canfield, Joel [mailto:JCanfield at magisnetworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:24 AM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] HTML in email

If I have HTML turned on (I don't! I don't!) won't I just see the plain text
message?

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: McAtee, Malcolm [mailto:MMcAtee at philamuseum.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:20 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] HTML in email


<!---   plain text message ---->




(insert large amounts of vertical whitespace here)









HTML coded message here




From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com  Thu Jun 21 11:43:57 2001
From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:43:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] The Saga Continues: States issue warning to Microso ft..
 (was 'Smart Tags Not')
Message-ID: <OF2FC0367C.1FAAF6DF-ON80256A72.005B1F10@ema.pwcinternal.com>

Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers

-------------------- Start of message text --------------------

With peripherals, USB is your friend. Drivers should be downloadable fairly
easily.

Macs will read Zips created on PCs (PCs aren't that clever).

I have a mixed platform cable modem connecting network at home - TCP/IP is
your
friend, as are Linksys routers.

SoftWindows will help you transition with your software.

If the apps work together, why do your PC and laptop need to be the same
OS?

Believe me, I work on Mac & Windows 98 & 95 interchangeably - it's not a
problem.

When I get the old PC up as a Samba/Appleshare network server, it'll be
*really*
easy.

Cheers
Martin





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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika Meyer [mailto:emeyer at lclark.edu]


> honey, it isn't too late.
> I heart my Mac.
>
> There's also Linux.
>
> In short, you are a free woman,
> and there are options.

Ah yes, but they are very expensive options because switching to MAC or
Linux also means replacing all my software (an extensive collection
attained
by first saving to buy the programs, then carefully upgrading) and all my
peripherals - scanner, tablet, zip drive, R/W CD rom etc.  Arrrrrgh!

Not to mention our personal network and new cable modem.  Also my laptop
and
the PC I use at work would no longer be compatible.  And they say M$ has no
monopoly - ha!


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From jcrawford at avencom.com  Thu Jun 21 11:45:17 2001
From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:45:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Menu Problems
References: <B1FAB4AC6696D311AC0A0000F6AF745AEC126D@CONCORDMAIL>
Message-ID: <3B32239A.DE2972E7@avencom.com>

"Stephens, Ann" wrote:
> I designed my page in Fireworks 4 using the Popup Menu feature and then
> imported it into Dreamweaver 4. Fireworks scripts that I'm calling from
> Dreamweaver templates. The scripts are fw_menu.js and load_menus.js (the
> latter was originally in the template file, but I removed it to a separate
> file) and can be found at http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/fw_menu.js
> and http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/load_menus.js. These are causing
> my pages (http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/) to load way too slow! I'm pretty
> clueless on JavaScript (though I can manage to find lines in the file and
> make changes, like the links for the menus). Can anyone give me suggestions
> on getting the scripts to load more quickly? I've tried pages without the
> scripts and they seem to load nicely and I can disable the active scripting
> in IE and get these to load fairly quickly despite the number of graphics on
> the page. I like this method of site navigation (and so does my boss, so...)
> and would like to find a solution other than disabling this menu system.

Looks like you need to build something new.

I commented on this a few weeks ago. (below) - perhaps you missed it.

Another note - I think personally, that as a city site, you need to
abandon the wizzy-ness, and focus on html 3.2 compatible interaction. I
have serious doubts about the relative value of those clever menus given
the requirements of government institutions vis-a-vis accessibility. I
rather think that an audience of 2 (you and your boss)'s pleasure with
the current navigation should not outweigh the requirements to be
accessible to all.

Not news you want to hear, no doubt, and I am loathe to suggest re-doing
everything, but in this case it seems appropriate. :-(

	- joe


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [thelist] Site Loads too Slowly
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:57:06 -0700
From: Joe Crawford <jcrawford at avencom.com>
Organization: AVENCOM: http://www.avencom.com/
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
References: <B1FAB4AC6696D311AC0A0000F6AF745AEC11EC at CONCORDMAIL>

"Stephens, Ann" wrote:
> > I've just updated a site (http://www.ci.concord.ca.us) that uses
> > JavaScript menus (from Fireworks popup feature) and has a few more
> > graphics than I've used in the past. The site loads too slowly and I'd
> > like suggestions on getting it to load more quickly. I think it's the
> > JavaScript that's the main culprit. The menus and the script that runs
> > them are being called from the pages. I noticed these scripts have been
> > cached on my computer so I'm assuming they're quicker to get to than if
> > they weren't. (I did a test without the fancy menus and the page loaded
> > pretty quickly.) Any help would be greatly appreciated!

the html and css files:
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/index.htm               <-- 11k
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/general.css   <-- ~1k

and for the javascript:
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/load_menus.js <-- 25k
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/fw_menu.js    <-- 34k


and the images:
43k
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/homepage_r2_c1.gif
 7k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/familyfirstlogo.gif
 5k
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/homepage_r5_c1.gif
 4k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/parkinggarage.jpg
 2k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/citylogo.gif
 1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/submenuslice.gif
 1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/topslice.gif
~1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/topspaceslice.gif
~1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/lighton-tiny.gif
~1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/sunicon20px.gif
~1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/spacer.gif

I *think* I got them all.

So for the html+css we have 11k.
for the javascript we have 59k.
and for the images a rough total of 64k. 

Combined total roughly 134k.

Add to that the execution time of all the javascript, not to mention
this 134k of stuff all has to download before the menus will be active,
and you get slow.

	- Joe <http://artlung.com/>
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.....  mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com \\ http://www.avencom.com
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From ctfuzzy at canopy.net  Thu Jun 21 11:45:27 2001
From: ctfuzzy at canopy.net (Captain F.M. O'Lary)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:45:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
In-Reply-To: <OE722LTrpwACkWHZqYW00000e62@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.20010621123246.01ebb130@canopy.net>

At 12:12 PM 6/20/01 , you wrote:
{ . . .}
>What i'm looking for is a way to check if HTML is switched on or off and
>then display text or HTML version (thus avoiding any
>ugly emails that will drive our prospects to the firm next door) .
>
>thx, jelle

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong . . .

but wouldn't that require *some type* of executable being sent in a . .
for lack of a better term . . .  Query Mail that would look at the users
settings and report them back to you (your server)?

WOW. You think scrambled HTML E-Mail is bad (HTML E-mail in general sucks
in my opinion - but I'm trying not to mention that) wait until you see the
response(s) from sending THAT "message".

Obviously, all this is just my opinion . . . but I would respectfully
suggest you save formatting for display, and use e-mail for communication.
The whole planet will thank you for it in the long run :-).

FWIW,
Fuzzy.
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From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com  Thu Jun 21 11:45:42 2001
From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:45:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] successful web projects
Message-ID: <OF23C523F3.D694FF6B-ON80256A72.005B7E69@ema.pwcinternal.com>

Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers

-------------------- Start of message text --------------------

Any good project management book should help.

Also process based stuff. Don't have my booklist
for that stuff here, but there's some at
http://www.easyweb.co.uk/articles/library.html

Cheers
Martin




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i might suggest doing a look on amazon for anything relating to "managing
customer expectations" (not CRM).

in my experience in this industry, and others ... if the client's
expectations are not in line with the real picture of what's happening with
the end product (website or otherwise) ... its bound to get messy.


hth,

        .. matt

        .. www.sweetillusions.org
        .. matt at sweetillusions.org

        .. any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it. - thoreau
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Van Dijck" <peter at vardus.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: [thelist] successful web projects


: Hi,
: I am looking for typical problems in a web development project from a
: client's point of view. Any resources, ideas?
: for example: not setting evaluation goals at the beginning makes it hard
to
: prove to your boss you did a good job at the end.
: Thanks for ideas!
: Peter



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From jay at trans-city.com  Thu Jun 21 11:54:42 2001
From: jay at trans-city.com (Jay Greenspan)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:54:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP and mysql
In-Reply-To: <E43E6EC47A729A43BCFEDBACEC3C9C989D2686@POPES01.popcast.com>
Message-ID: <200106211651.QAA35227923@smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net>

There are really good installation instructions on the php site on how 
to compile source with apache. I'd go that route.

-j

> So just compile the source for 4.0.x? The only RPMs available is for 
> RH7.1.
>



From bev at enso-company.com  Thu Jun 21 11:55:17 2001
From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin)
Date: Thu Jun 21 11:55:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] successful web projects
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010613022859.009ec800@tookish.net> <4.3.2.20010621171850.0312a220@mail.vardus.net>
Message-ID: <0f3d01c0fa72$f2fb11d0$a2b999cf@beverly8n5gg7i>

Hi Peter,

We usually send the client instructions.  The instructions discusses how the
client can best prepare information for the project, and how to best
communicate with the project manager or web developer.  We explain how this
will save costs.   Then in our negotiations, we explain some of the ideas in
more detail.   Usually they respond very positively to this because they
often haven't thought about the general planning processes, and how they can
best prepare to save costs.  This is particularly true with smaller
businesses that do not have in house full time technical staff.   We always
document goals and set up "stages" to building something, especially if it
involves multiple languages.   This gives us something to judge by, and it
also helps when someone asks for additional work to a project.

We started doing this in our multilingual services, and have now developed
the same practice in our monolingual sites.    Here is a link to one of the
publicly publicized documents that I like the most.  It basically shows the
same ideas and principles for planning development stages and educating your
client:

http://www.fxtrans.com./resources/localization-kit.pdf

Our documents are not publicly published,  like this one,  and they don't
look as nice either,  but the general concepts are there.

Sincerely,
Bev


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Subject: [thelist] successful web projects


> Hi,
> I am looking for typical problems in a web development project from a
> client's point of view. Any resources, ideas?
> for example: not setting evaluation goals at the beginning makes it hard
to
> prove to your boss you did a good job at the end.
> Thanks for ideas!
> Peter
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> http://poorbuthappy.editthispage.com online ethnology, up&down
>
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From eric.svee at attws.com  Thu Jun 21 12:01:37 2001
From: eric.svee at attws.com (Svee, Eric)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:01:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Menu Problems
Message-ID: <6D89C1569469D411A00A0008C7160CA9036F194F@fws-msg01.mccaw-stg.com>

To second Joe's opinion--

There are serious problems with using Jscript as your primary means of
navigation.  Many people have JScript turned off and then there are those
that are running v.3 browsers . . .

If you use nav's like this, people should be able to get to the exact same
places through a conventional navigation--if I click on a top level nav
link, I should find a set of links on the next page that could take me to
the same places that the other navs would.  There are ways to handle
this--http://www.interwoven.com does a great job of providing hierarchical
menus that are mirrored on the subsequent pages.

Bottom line--the gee-whiz menu's should only ENHANCE the user experience and
not be the only way to access it.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Crawford [mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:41 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] JavaScript Menu Problems


"Stephens, Ann" wrote:
> I designed my page in Fireworks 4 using the Popup Menu feature and then
> imported it into Dreamweaver 4. Fireworks scripts that I'm calling from
> Dreamweaver templates. The scripts are fw_menu.js and load_menus.js (the
> latter was originally in the template file, but I removed it to a separate
> file) and can be found at http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/fw_menu.js
> and http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/load_menus.js. These are causing
> my pages (http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/) to load way too slow! I'm pretty
> clueless on JavaScript (though I can manage to find lines in the file and
> make changes, like the links for the menus). Can anyone give me
suggestions
> on getting the scripts to load more quickly? I've tried pages without the
> scripts and they seem to load nicely and I can disable the active
scripting
> in IE and get these to load fairly quickly despite the number of graphics
on
> the page. I like this method of site navigation (and so does my boss,
so...)
> and would like to find a solution other than disabling this menu system.

Looks like you need to build something new.

I commented on this a few weeks ago. (below) - perhaps you missed it.

Another note - I think personally, that as a city site, you need to
abandon the wizzy-ness, and focus on html 3.2 compatible interaction. I
have serious doubts about the relative value of those clever menus given
the requirements of government institutions vis-a-vis accessibility. I
rather think that an audience of 2 (you and your boss)'s pleasure with
the current navigation should not outweigh the requirements to be
accessible to all.

Not news you want to hear, no doubt, and I am loathe to suggest re-doing
everything, but in this case it seems appropriate. :-(

	- joe


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [thelist] Site Loads too Slowly
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:57:06 -0700
From: Joe Crawford <jcrawford at avencom.com>
Organization: AVENCOM: http://www.avencom.com/
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
References: <B1FAB4AC6696D311AC0A0000F6AF745AEC11EC at CONCORDMAIL>

"Stephens, Ann" wrote:
> > I've just updated a site (http://www.ci.concord.ca.us) that uses
> > JavaScript menus (from Fireworks popup feature) and has a few more
> > graphics than I've used in the past. The site loads too slowly and I'd
> > like suggestions on getting it to load more quickly. I think it's the
> > JavaScript that's the main culprit. The menus and the script that runs
> > them are being called from the pages. I noticed these scripts have been
> > cached on my computer so I'm assuming they're quicker to get to than if
> > they weren't. (I did a test without the fancy menus and the page loaded
> > pretty quickly.) Any help would be greatly appreciated!

the html and css files:
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/index.htm               <-- 11k
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/general.css   <-- ~1k

and for the javascript:
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/load_menus.js <-- 25k
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/Templates/fw_menu.js    <-- 34k


and the images:
43k
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/homepage_r2_c1.gif
 7k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/familyfirstlogo.gif
 5k
http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/homepage_r5_c1.gif
 4k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/parkinggarage.jpg
 2k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/citylogo.gif
 1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/submenuslice.gif
 1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/topslice.gif
~1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/topspaceslice.gif
~1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/lighton-tiny.gif
~1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/sunicon20px.gif
~1k http://www.ci.concord.ca.us/graphics/imagesforpage/spacer.gif

I *think* I got them all.

So for the html+css we have 11k.
for the javascript we have 59k.
and for the images a rough total of 64k. 

Combined total roughly 134k.

Add to that the execution time of all the javascript, not to mention
this 134k of stuff all has to download before the menus will be active,
and you get slow.

	- Joe <http://artlung.com/>
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From roselli at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 21 12:01:57 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:01:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] CSS: radio button inline with text - how?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c0fa69$daaf1030$2f01010a@dti2>
Message-ID: <200106211701.f5LH1rl18744@leo.evolt.org>

> From: "Seth Bienek" <seth at sethbienek.com>
[...]
> Here's what I have in a table cell:
> 
> Sex:&nbsp;<input type="radio" name="applicantSex"
> value="M">M&nbsp;&nbsp;<input type="radio" name="applicantSex"
> value="F">F&nbsp;
> 
> (note that I have removed the 'experimental' inline css for brevity)
> 
> Can anyone offer suggestions on cross-browser css designations to keep
> this from wrapping at the radio buttons?

it's in a table cell?  did you try the (non-HTML 4) 'nowrap' attribute 
in the <td>?  or the (non-HTML 4) <nobr></nobr> tags?

i'd also suggest wrapping your text labels in a <label>:

<td nowrap class="foo">
Sex:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
  <input type="radio" name="applicantSex" value="M" 
id="applicantSexM"><label for="applicantSexM">Male</label>
&nbsp;&nbsp;
  <input type="radio" name="applicantSex" value="F" 
id="applicantSexF"><label for="applicantSexF">Female</label>
</td>




From bev at enso-company.com  Thu Jun 21 12:07:17 2001
From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:07:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] PHP and mysql
References: <200106211651.QAA35227923@smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <0f9f01c0fa74$9f3ded40$a2b999cf@beverly8n5gg7i>

I agree with this.... its what we did and it worked.

Bev

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From: "Jay Greenspan" <jay at trans-city.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] PHP and mysql


> There are really good installation instructions on the php site on how 
> to compile source with apache. I'd go that route.
> 
> -j
> 
> > So just compile the source for 4.0.x? The only RPMs available is for 
> > RH7.1.
> >
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From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com  Thu Jun 21 12:09:37 2001
From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:09:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
Message-ID: <OF2323FD5A.50BCC85F-ON80256A72.005D18F7@ema.pwcinternal.com>

Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers

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While I can't help but agree with the 'email is for text' corner,
what a lot of CRM implementations do (ideally for users who
haven't stated a preference...) is send the 1st email as normal
text with the addition of one bit of HTML:
<img src="http://domain.com/tracking/pix.gif?trackingid
height="1" width="1" alt="">

If the tracking ID appears in the server logs, they're able
to see HTML.

Of course, you'd always give the user the option to change from
whatever the current format is...

Cheers
Martin




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At 12:12 PM 6/20/01 , you wrote:
{ . . .}
>What i'm looking for is a way to check if HTML is switched on or off and
>then display text or HTML version (thus avoiding any
>ugly emails that will drive our prospects to the firm next door) .
>
>thx, jelle

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong . . .

but wouldn't that require *some type* of executable being sent in a . .
for lack of a better term . . .  Query Mail that would look at the users
settings and report them back to you (your server)?

WOW. You think scrambled HTML E-Mail is bad (HTML E-mail in general sucks
in my opinion - but I'm trying not to mention that) wait until you see the
response(s) from sending THAT "message".

Obviously, all this is just my opinion . . . but I would respectfully
suggest you save formatting for display, and use e-mail for communication.
The whole planet will thank you for it in the long run :-).


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From bev at enso-company.com  Thu Jun 21 12:09:47 2001
From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:09:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] successful web projects
References: <OF23C523F3.D694FF6B-ON80256A72.005B7E69@ema.pwcinternal.com>
Message-ID: <0fa701c0fa74$f905c870$a2b999cf@beverly8n5gg7i>

I agree, and another one of my all-time favorites is here:

http://www.etpint.com/articles.htm

Bev

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Subject: Re: [thelist] successful web projects


>
> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers
>
> -------------------- Start of message text --------------------
>
> Any good project management book should help.
>
> Also process based stuff. Don't have my booklist
> for that stuff here, but there's some at
> http://www.easyweb.co.uk/articles/library.html
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org
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>
>
> Subject:  Re: [thelist] successful web projects
>
>
>
> i might suggest doing a look on amazon for anything relating to "managing
> customer expectations" (not CRM).
>
> in my experience in this industry, and others ... if the client's
> expectations are not in line with the real picture of what's happening
with
> the end product (website or otherwise) ... its bound to get messy.
>
>
> hth,
>
>         .. matt
>
>         .. www.sweetillusions.org
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>
>         .. any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it. - thoreau
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> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:20 AM
> Subject: [thelist] successful web projects
>
>
> : Hi,
> : I am looking for typical problems in a web development project from a
> : client's point of view. Any resources, ideas?
> : for example: not setting evaluation goals at the beginning makes it hard
> to
> : prove to your boss you did a good job at the end.
> : Thanks for ideas!
> : Peter
>
>
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From jay at trans-city.com  Thu Jun 21 12:15:48 2001
From: jay at trans-city.com (Jay Greenspan)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:15:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] The Saga Continues: States issue warning to Microso ft.. (was 'Smart Tags Not')
In-Reply-To: <OF2FC0367C.1FAAF6DF-ON80256A72.005B1F10@ema.pwcinternal.com>
Message-ID: <200106211712.RAA45764952@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net>

I've got very limited desk space and the need to run 4 OSs (MacOS 9, 
MacOS X, Win 98, RedHat Linux). I dual boot a mac powerbook and a compaq 
desktop. I got myself a USB keyboard and mouse and a Dr. Botts USB 
MoniSwitch. Very cool. I have one monitor ( a beaut of a ViewSonic VG150 
LCD) and one keyboard and mouse. I can switch from one box to the other 
with zero problem and use the same monitor, keyboard, and mouse for any 
OS. They hotswitch just fine, no need to reboot.

Plus, for networking, I've gone wireless with the Airport BaseStation, 
and Airport Card for the Powerbook and a Lucent for the Win98/Linux box. 
Using regular Windows filesharing protocol I can move files with a 
little piece of software called Sharity (available at Tucows, for OS X) 
and there's something called DAVE, I believe, for OS 9, if you need it.

-j

On Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 12:38 PM, 
<martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com> wrote:

> With peripherals, USB is your friend. Drivers should be downloadable 
> fairly
> easily.
>
> Macs will read Zips created on PCs (PCs aren't that clever).
>
> I have a mixed platform cable modem connecting network at home - TCP/IP 
> is
> your
> friend, as are Linksys routers.
>
> SoftWindows will help you transition with your software.
>
> If the apps work together, why do your PC and laptop need to be the same
> OS?
>
> Believe me, I work on Mac & Windows 98 & 95 interchangeably - it's not a
> problem.
>
> When I get the old PC up as a Samba/Appleshare network server, it'll be
> *really*
> easy.



From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Thu Jun 21 12:17:08 2001
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:17:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] The Saga Continues: States issue warning to
  Microso ft.. (was 'Smart Tags Not')
In-Reply-To: <4633834D5345D5119F9F00508BB02DED04CC0F@nj10-exchange.wineb
 ow.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010621125303.01c7dec0@mail.idirect.ca>

In the wee hour of 12:11 PM 6/21/01 -0400, Kathleen Heytink bequeathed such 
tales as these:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erika Meyer [mailto:emeyer at lclark.edu]
>
>
> > honey, it isn't too late.
> > I heart my Mac.
> >
> > There's also Linux.
> >
> > In short, you are a free woman,
> > and there are options.
>
>Ah yes, but they are very expensive options because switching to MAC or
>Linux also means replacing all my software (an extensive collection attained
>by first saving to buy the programs, then carefully upgrading) and all my
>peripherals - scanner, tablet, zip drive, R/W CD rom etc.  Arrrrrgh!
>
>Not to mention our personal network and new cable modem.  Also my laptop and
>the PC I use at work would no longer be compatible.  And they say M$ has no
>monopoly - ha!
>
><tip type"Homesite">
>Love that right click/selection option.  You can also add line breaks and
>change case within the selection.
><tip>
>
>Kath Heytink
>Web Designer
>Winebow, Inc
>www.winebow.com

One large problem with all the hype about XP is that the majority of 
windows users on the planet are still on win95 and I don't think M$ is 
extending an upgrade to 95 users for XP, I'm probably wrong but they did 
the same thing for office XP and office95 users, no upgrade 
available.  Then again M$ is not supporting 95 and older OS's any longer 
either at the end of this year which will hurt any loyalty they have with 
these legions of 95 users, not to mention win 3/3.1/2/1 or pre DOS 
6.22.  Don't forget M$ will also end support for 98 and NT4 in 2003.  All 
of these announcements and XP too even before the final axe has fallen in 
the DOJ case which is coming up very quickly too.  As much as I despise 
windows I don't want to go back to OS/2 and dreamweaver doesn't run on 
Linux, it may soon but it doesn't right now.
Just a thought or two..

<tip type="Internet Explorer 5+">
If you don't want cookies running on your system and you have disabled them 
then you should also disable User Data Persistence.  Go into Tools/Internet 
Options/Security/Internet/Custom Level/ and scroll down to Miscellaneous 
and then find User Data Persistence".  It's an XML file storing all web 
page information, styles, variables and states you accumulate as you sail 
the web.
<tip>
Peter Kaulback




From ctfuzzy at canopy.net  Thu Jun 21 12:23:28 2001
From: ctfuzzy at canopy.net (Captain F.M. O'Lary)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:23:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
In-Reply-To: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D02008515339EC@ns.magisnetworks.co
 m>
Message-ID: <4.1.20010621131336.00c88610@canopy.net>

At 12:39 PM 6/21/01 , you wrote:
><spoken voice="Homer Simpson" timbre="embarassed">D'oh! </spoken>

Joel, I wouldn't feel too bad. Think of all the . . . stuff . . . those
viewers using 'plain old' mail clients will have to look at !!

You can comment out the plain text in the HTML client ok, but how do you
comment out the HTML for the ASCII mail readers?

As far as I know,you can't. I do know that I get a BUNCH of formatted
e-mail that serves no purpose except soaking up bandwidth and graphically
demonstrating the . . . waste product . . . these "HTML Enabled Clients" write.

Bummer.
Fuzzy.
______________________________________________________________
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webmaster at canopy.net
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newspaper, that's the time to do it.
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From mwarden at odyssey-design.com  Thu Jun 21 12:28:13 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:28:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
References: <OF2323FD5A.50BCC85F-ON80256A72.005D18F7@ema.pwcinternal.com>
Message-ID: <004301c0fa77$087ce930$7303020a@hg2p201>

> From: <martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML in email
>

...
> <img src="http://domain.com/tracking/pix.gif?trackingid
> height="1" width="1" alt="">
>
> If the tracking ID appears in the server logs, they're able
> to see HTML.

Getting a little more scary, you could directly update the database:

<img src="http://domain.com/tracking/turnOnHTML.asp?userid=foo height="1"
width="1" alt="">



--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From joshsquared at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 21 12:28:18 2001
From: joshsquared at yahoo.com (Josh Spiegel)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:28:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] expert opinions on GODOTS.net
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010621131336.00c88610@canopy.net>
Message-ID: <LAEEILOKLLCKKDGBEPDHAEEFCBAA.joshsquared@yahoo.com>

If anybody has time, could you please look over my companies new site,
http://godots.net

It is a specialty domain registration site.  It is Live.  Only a few things
will change as it ages a little bit.  The price will change in a few weeks
(right now it is 50 USD and that is what we pay wholesale) after we get a
few test registrations and create a renewal and transfer page.  We are also
going to integrate an optional hosting sign up.

Thanks for your help!
- Josh Spiegel
- Access I.T.
- support at godots.nethttp://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !


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From seth at sethbienek.com  Thu Jun 21 12:29:08 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:29:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] CSS: radio button inline with text - how?
In-Reply-To: <200106211701.f5LH1rl18744@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <001301c0fa76$ef026390$2f01010a@dti2>

> it's in a table cell?  did you try the (non-HTML 4) 'nowrap' attribute 
> in the <td>?  or the (non-HTML 4) <nobr></nobr> tags?
> 
> i'd also suggest wrapping your text labels in a <label>:

Hi Adrian, 

The NOWRAP + <label> combination was exactly what I needed!  Thanks so much!  You RULE!

Seth

-----------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Digitaris Technologies, Inc.
tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103
fax (972) 690-0617
icq 7673959
----------------------------------- 





From john at neoncowboy.com  Thu Jun 21 12:33:28 2001
From: john at neoncowboy.com (john corry)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:33:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] record sorting problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010621125303.01c7dec0@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAKEHODNAA.john@neoncowboy.com>

Mayb you guys can help with this...

I have a small database of images online at http://www.dianalehr.com

The images are divided into categories based on the artwork's medium, on the
index page. To view the enlargement, a user clicks a thumbnail...the link
looks like <a href="detail.php?id=4">. On the detail page there are links to
the next and previous pieces in the database. Those links are derived by
adding or subtracting 1 to/from the current id (with a special if statement
built in for the first and last records).

The Problem:
I have to make the next/previous links cycle through the rows in the same
order as on the index page...meaning, if you view an oil's enlargement, next
goes to the next oil ansd so on, until there are no more oils..then next
goes to the first pastel, and so on...

It just dawned on me that what I am probably going to want to do is to leave
the logic alone, and just add a column to the DB that puts the pieces in the
order I want them in...

any comments?
john




From eckman at liquidsquid.com  Thu Jun 21 12:52:34 2001
From: eckman at liquidsquid.com (John Eckman)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:52:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
In-Reply-To: <20010621172908.DFA14BBF@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010621134454.00a79520@pine.he.net>

At 01:29 PM 6/21/01, "Warden, Matt" <mwarden at odyssey-design.com> wrote:

> > From: <martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com>
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML in email
>
>...
> > <img src="http://domain.com/tracking/pix.gif?trackingid
> > height="1" width="1" alt="">
> >
> > If the tracking ID appears in the server logs, they're able
> > to see HTML.
>
>Getting a little more scary, you could directly update the database:
>
><img src="http://domain.com/tracking/turnOnHTML.asp?userid=foo height="1"
>width="1" alt="">

The problem with this approach is that it assumes my email is read in one 
place only. I may be reading my email in PINE, I may be reading it in 
Outlook 2000, I may be in Eudora, or, I may be reading it in my blackberry 
pager. I use all four of these mail reading mechanisms on a regular basis - 
for the same email address. (I'm writing this message in Eudora, but the 
replies to it I am likely to get later on on my blackberry while I'm in a 
meeting. later, at home, I may hit the server through telnet and run pine.)

I hate it when people assume - let the users choose their format. If you 
haven't given them the opportunity to choose, why are you sending them email?


John Eckman                     "It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper
www.liquidsquid.com             to just suck on a penny"




From emeyer at lclark.edu  Thu Jun 21 12:57:19 2001
From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer)
Date: Thu Jun 21 12:57:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
In-Reply-To: <3CB23A9F8C3DD511BC2500508BC741332DF9AB@MAILHOST>
References: <3CB23A9F8C3DD511BC2500508BC741332DF9AB@MAILHOST>
Message-ID: <a0510030cb757e1f8e1e3@[149.175.43.62]>

What is an ugly email?

1. One you can't read for the HTML tags?

2. One you can't see because of white space and images pushing down content?

3. All unsolicited mass email sent solely for the purpose of 
promoting a service or product?

4. All of the above?
_____________________________

I'm not sure I'm an "average user" but I choose #4.
_____________________________

As a consumer, I'd suggest to companies that if they MUST send mass 
emails, it would be so nice if they would be text-based informational 
type emails... you know, like a value-added service... and that it 
would be very easy for the user to opt in and out of receiving these 
very informative and useful text-based newsletters.

This dream-spam would be ad-free, except maybe a small credit to you 
and your URL at the top and bottom.

Any prettiness would be achieved with ascii.

<example>
((((((((((((((((( WEBREFERENCE UPDATE NEWSLETTER )))))))))))))))))
</example>

(though that may pose accessibility problems, I don't know.)

Just MHO.

Erika

>(thus avoiding any
>ugly emails that will drive our prospects to the firm next door) .
>
>thx, jelle

-- 



From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Thu Jun 21 13:03:44 2001
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:03:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: A pixel need not be a pixel
Message-ID: <OF59511550.7498A579-ON86256A72.0061AC36@na.jci.com>

>This still means that people styling fonts in pixel sizes for screen
presentation
>are in trouble as soon as 200dpi screens become commercially available,
but
>there is clearly going to be more breathing space before this happens.

True, but considering densities of 133dpi have been shipping for a while
now (Dell's 15" UXGA LCD) it might not be as far away as we might think. If
we take the 96ppi Windows as the "norm" then we're already seeing nearly a
30% reduction in size for pixel'ed designs

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
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Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.
If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.




From monserrat at nurun.cl  Thu Jun 21 13:32:18 2001
From: monserrat at nurun.cl (Monse)
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:32:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] tracking
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010621142916.00a5f9b0@204.231.181.37>

Hi gang:

I need to develop an interface for a tracking system,
I'm a designer doing the job of the planning department, does anyone know 
any good URL??

TIA




From r937 at interlog.com  Thu Jun 21 13:36:20 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:36:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] record sorting problem
Message-ID: <01c0fa80$449ef580$f14a149a@rudy>

> The Problem:
> I have to make the next/previous links cycle through the rows
> in the same order as on the index page...

hi john

there are two methods of sequencing database records --

  ~ an "autonumber" which reflects entry sequence
         (may not be editable)
  ~ manually, which requires extra effort
         but can be edited

> It just dawned on me that what I am probably going to want to do
> is to leave the logic alone, and just add a column to the DB that
> puts the pieces in the order I want them in...

that would be the manual method

"autonumber" does not have to be one of those "next sequential number"
things that people use for the primary key -- you could use a datetime or
timestamp field instead and declare the default to be the current time

> ...the link looks like <a href="detail.php?id=4">.

so is your id field an autonumber?  then you'd be all set, i.e. no more
work on your part, assuming you don't mind always showing the thumbnails
and pictures in either FIFO (sort by id) or LIFO (sort by id desc) sequence

> On the detail page there are links to the next and previous pieces
> in the database. Those links are derived by adding or subtracting
> 1 to/from the current id

works okay till you get gaps from deletion -- then you're cooked

instead of #currentid# + 1, use

   select min(id)    /* next */
      from pieces
        where id > #currentid#

which of course will come back empty if you're sitting on the highest

> (with a special if statement built in for the first and last records)

there are ways around this, i.e. you can do this with sql

> until there are no more oils..then next goes to the first pastel, and so
on...

uh oh

you want to go from highest in one category to first in the next category

well, you can also do this with sql, but it's getting trickier


how do you sequence your categories?

i bet those aren't entry sequence, are they?

manual category id?


rudy





From richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk  Thu Jun 21 13:42:45 2001
From: richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk (Richard H. Morris)
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:42:45 2001
Subject: [thelist] expert opinions on GODOTS.net
In-Reply-To: <LAEEILOKLLCKKDGBEPDHAEEFCBAA.joshsquared@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMOEFBEPAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>

Josh Spiegel [joshsquared at yahoo.com] asked:

> -----Original Message-----
> If anybody has time, could you please look over my companies new site,
> http://godots.net

It's very like http://uk2.net to my mind.

Also, the third link at the top should surely read "Edit an Existing Domain"
rather than "... and ..."

Finally, I would never do business over the 'net with a company whose web
site has absolutely no contact details on the site.

Finally, finally, your agreement doesn't state which country's laws will be
the applicable law for the contract so an arbitrator (like I am, seriously)
would probably get some grief from Counsel over which laws should apply.

_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
Richard. H. Morris, Web Designers Limited
~~ http://www.web-designers.co.uk ~~
"I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me
          than a full frontal lobotomy"
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/





From JenniferE at mif.com  Thu Jun 21 13:53:38 2001
From: JenniferE at mif.com (JenniferE at mif.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:53:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] tracking
Message-ID: <17AF8E1F556F39479F819840139BEAD3E5AC26@mist.mifnet.local>

We use Cold Fusion.  http://www.mif.com/netscape/demo.html

Jennifer



-----Original Message-----
From: Monse [mailto:monserrat at nurun.cl]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:31 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] tracking


Hi gang:

I need to develop an interface for a tracking system,
I'm a designer doing the job of the planning department, does anyone know 
any good URL??

TIA


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From martin at takingitglobal.org  Thu Jun 21 13:55:02 2001
From: martin at takingitglobal.org (Martin Kuplens-Ewart)
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:55:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] expert opinions on GODOTS.net
In-Reply-To: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMOEFBEPAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000001c0fa1e$b237d420$af7ba8c0@MartinLaptop>

> Finally, finally, your agreement doesn't state which country's laws
will be the applicable law for the contract so an arbitrator (like I >
am, seriously) would probably get some grief from Counsel over which
laws should apply.

I would additionally suggest amending 8(d) to read "referred to in 8(c)"
rather than specifying 8(c)(i), simply because otherwise you are
excluding the client from any valuable input in the arbitration
process... ...as it stands, they can write anything they want, but the
arbitrator is not allowed to listen to them.

-martin




From monserrat at nurun.cl  Thu Jun 21 14:03:43 2001
From: monserrat at nurun.cl (Monse)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:03:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] tracking
In-Reply-To: <17AF8E1F556F39479F819840139BEAD3E5AC26@mist.mifnet.local>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010621150152.00a60660@204.231.181.37>

Thanks but by tracking i meant , how many visitors, browser, screen 
resolution, etc




From sfmalo at email.msn.com  Thu Jun 21 14:03:48 2001
From: sfmalo at email.msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:03:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
References: <LAW2-F73Tlz6xT3R3fe000155aa@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c0fa84$2c1562c0$13241b3f@oemcomputer>

> >I see from another list that NN 6.1 PR1 is now available. Anyone using it
> >yet and, if so, what do you think of it?
> PPK wrote:
> OK-ish, a little faster than 6.01, a little more fluent with everything.
> However, mouseovers are deteriorating fast.

ppk -
Thanks. I read your article. Goodness, dots by the mouseover nav bars, how
strange. I'm really curious whether they've re-instituted the ability for
the browser to read PDF files. I recently had to put up a warning on another
client's site (who suddenly decided to put up three PDF files for viewers)
that Netscape 6 no longer allows viewing such. Hopefully, this feature is
again available.

Do you think it would be a good idea for me to uninstall 6.01 before
installing 6.1 Preview Release 1? Might they "fight" otherwise? Or, will 6.1
PR1 be regarded as an update? I had such an awful experience a few months
ago when downloading 6.0 that I'm very nervous

Also, I'd like to free up the 30+ meg that 6.01 now takes up on my
"fast-shrinking" hard drive!

What do you think?
Sharon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sharon F. Malone
"web design and Internet writing services"
http://www.24caratdesign.com




From v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu  Thu Jun 21 14:11:33 2001
From: v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu (Minh Lee Goon)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:11:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] tracking
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010621142916.00a5f9b0@204.231.181.37>
Message-ID: <3B324692.5939EF01@sdsumus.sdstate.edu>

Is a software package an option? WebTrends does a really good job of
displaying most of that information. http://www.webtrends.com/

Monse wrote:
> 
> Hi gang:
> 
> I need to develop an interface for a tracking system,
> I'm a designer doing the job of the planning department, does anyone know
> any good URL??
> 
> TIA
> 
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From RyanF at SonicFoundry.com  Thu Jun 21 14:17:03 2001
From: RyanF at SonicFoundry.com (Ryan Finley)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:17:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic PDF files
Message-ID: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D281D55EF@flash>

Does anyone know of a good server-side component (for ASP), that can
generate PDF files on the fly?

Thanks,

	Ryan Finley
	President - SurveyMonkey.com (http://www.surveymonkey.com)



From v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu  Thu Jun 21 14:18:38 2001
From: v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu (Minh Lee Goon)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:18:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] FrontPage Server Extensions for Apache on Windows 2000 Server
Message-ID: <3B324841.9F40793@sdsumus.sdstate.edu>

Has anyone installed FrontPage Server Extensions for Apache on Windows
2000 Server? I looked around in Microsoft's website, but could not find
the "Apache on Windows" combination. I'd really appreciate any help you
all can give me. Thanks.

</ml>



From rthigpen at nc.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 14:21:58 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:21:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Dynamic PDF files
References: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D281D55EF@flash>
Message-ID: <3B324875.7030601@nc.rr.com>

You might take a look at ActivePDF.

http://www.activepdf.com

--rt



Ryan Finley wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good server-side component (for ASP), that can
> generate PDF files on the fly?
 





From Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com  Thu Jun 21 15:05:43 2001
From: Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com (Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:05:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] need good site recommendations
Message-ID: <OFCCD2ED35.68C16FC7-ON85256A72.006DE91B@beaerospace.com>

Hello!
I need to show a client some well-designed technology sites.  They don't
want flashy stuff, just professional looking, fast-downloading types.

Thanks,
Ron Senykoff




From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com  Thu Jun 21 15:07:43 2001
From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:07:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion - encode entities?
Message-ID: <DCEFFCADF5D776408AF1E79FD1DCE1A21AFC53@fort.cygnuspub.com>

Hello all, is there a way for ColdFusion to encode characters to make things
'query string friendly'?

So if I have "Hammers & Nails" it will encode it to be
"Hammers%20%26%20Nails" ?

(As usual, I know the perl way to do it...is there a perl2cfm
function/site/expert anywhere?)

thanks...

Pete


_____________________________________________________
For more information about Cygnus Business Media, please visit our 
Web site at www.cygnusb2b.com






From mbarrett at triad.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 15:09:30 2001
From: mbarrett at triad.rr.com (Michael Barrett)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:09:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] Good Source for Good, clean, professionally crafted perl scripts
Message-ID: <B757CBD2.5980%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>

Preferably free.

I was recently informed by a server administrator that my freebie fast and
dirty form-mail script was not up to snuff in many respects.

Can any one recommend a good source for quality canned perl scripts?

It only needs to send an email...

-- Michael Barrett
-O^O-
 - 

mbarrett at triad.rr.com
AIM: device55




From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Thu Jun 21 15:09:46 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:09:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion - encode entities?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFFCADF5D776408AF1E79FD1DCE1A21AFC53@fort.cygnuspub.com>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIOEAFJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

Use URLEncodedFormat().

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Pete Prodoehl
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 4:04 PM
> To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
> Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion - encode entities?
> 
> 
> 
> Hello all, is there a way for ColdFusion to encode characters to 
> make things
> 'query string friendly'?
> 
> So if I have "Hammers & Nails" it will encode it to be
> "Hammers%20%26%20Nails" ?
> 
> (As usual, I know the perl way to do it...is there a perl2cfm
> function/site/expert anywhere?)
> 
> thanks...
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
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> Web site at www.cygnusb2b.com
> 
> 
> 
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From rthigpen at nc.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 15:14:07 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:14:07 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion - encode entities?
References: <DCEFFCADF5D776408AF1E79FD1DCE1A21AFC53@fort.cygnuspub.com>
Message-ID: <3B3254B8.2050207@nc.rr.com>

Sure, see the docs for the URLEncodedFormat() function.

--rt


Pete Prodoehl wrote:

> Hello all, is there a way for ColdFusion to encode characters to make things
> 'query string friendly'?
> 
> So if I have "Hammers & Nails" it will encode it to be
> "Hammers%20%26%20Nails" ?





From morbus at disobey.com  Thu Jun 21 15:16:52 2001
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:16:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Good Source for Good, clean, professionally
  crafted perl scripts
In-Reply-To: <B757CBD2.5980%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621161440.00a0f140@red.totalnetnh.net>

 >Can any one recommend a good source for quality canned perl scripts?
 >It only needs to send an email...

I could write you one. You can see an example of one of my scripts here:

   http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/


Morbus Iff
.sig on other machine.
http://www.disobey.com/
http://www.gamegrene.com/




From monserrat at nurun.cl  Thu Jun 21 15:27:47 2001
From: monserrat at nurun.cl (Monse)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:27:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] need good site recommendations
In-Reply-To: <OFCCD2ED35.68C16FC7-ON85256A72.006DE91B@beaerospace.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010621162557.00a18a90@204.231.181.37>

www.coolhomepages.com
www.linkdup.com

HTH

--------------------
Monserrat Videla
Web Developer
MSM/nurun Santiago

phone:(56-2) 742-0603
Fax: (56-2) 741-9533
mobile:(56-9) 243-5623
Visit us at: http://www.nurun.cl - http://www.nurun.com




From sranda at ch-advertising.com  Thu Jun 21 15:27:52 2001
From: sranda at ch-advertising.com (Steve Randa)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:27:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] In need of a javasript
Message-ID: <3B3257E4.2312BB90@ch-advertising.com>

I've got a small popup browser window that I wish to remain open for a
specified amount of time then close by itself and refresh the parent
window to a new location. Is there such a thing?

Steve Randa




From k.smith at tatnet.com  Thu Jun 21 15:50:02 2001
From: k.smith at tatnet.com (Kevin Smith)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:50:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] In need of a javasript
In-Reply-To: <3B3257E4.2312BB90@ch-advertising.com>
Message-ID: <B757D564.5A9B%k.smith@tatnet.com>

Steve Randa wrote:

> I've got a small popup browser window that I wish to remain open for a
> specified amount of time then close by itself and refresh the parent
> window to a new location. Is there such a thing?

Something like this:

function closeRefresh(){
    opener.location.href='newPage.htm';
    self.close()
    }
                 
<body onload="setTimeout('closeRefresh()',5000);">
                                           ^ delay in milliseconds

--
kevin c smith
tatnet, inc.
e: k.smith at tatnet.com
t: 410.571.9462
f: 410.571.9442




From me at charlesw.com  Thu Jun 21 16:05:18 2001
From: me at charlesw.com (Charles Wilson (h))
Date: Thu Jun 21 16:05:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] Help with MyODBC, MySql, Coldfusion
References: <LAW2-F73Tlz6xT3R3fe000155aa@hotmail.com> <000b01c0fa84$2c1562c0$13241b3f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <010801c0fa96$09443fc0$b967b118@cx774589b>

I'm having trouble connecting Coldfusion to MySQL.
I believe it is how I am mis-configuring the MyOBDC program.

Do I have to use MyODBC?  Is MyODBC the only way to connect Coldfusion to MySQL, or is there a way
to use OLE?

-Charles Wilson







From sam at sam-i-am.com  Thu Jun 21 16:39:58 2001
From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am)
Date: Thu Jun 21 16:39:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Good Source for Good, clean, professionally crafted perl 
 scripts
References: <B757CBD2.5980%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3B3268FF.D828F6B@sam-i-am.com>

seems like this admin would be the best person to go to. If they have
specific or stringent requirements have them point you at some
where/person to provide a script that can meet those requirements. 
And like you say it's only got to send an email.. don't they have
something already you can use? you can't be the first person they've
come across to want to do such a thing...

Sam

> I was recently informed by a server administrator that my freebie fast and
> dirty form-mail script was not up to snuff in many respects.
> 
> Can any one recommend a good source for quality canned perl scripts?
> 
> It only needs to send an email...



From sranda at ch-advertising.com  Thu Jun 21 17:03:23 2001
From: sranda at ch-advertising.com (Steve Randa)
Date: Thu Jun 21 17:03:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] In need of a javasript
References: <B757D564.5A9B%k.smith@tatnet.com>
Message-ID: <3B326E48.3C10617A@ch-advertising.com>

Yeah, that works fine but it throws up an alert message which I don't want.

Steve

Kevin Smith wrote:

> Steve Randa wrote:
>
> > I've got a small popup browser window that I wish to remain open for a
> > specified amount of time then close by itself and refresh the parent
> > window to a new location. Is there such a thing?
>
> Something like this:
>
> function closeRefresh(){
>     opener.location.href='newPage.htm';
>     self.close()
>     }
>
> <body onload="setTimeout('closeRefresh()',5000);">
>                                            ^ delay in milliseconds
>
> --
> kevin c smith
> tatnet, inc.
> e: k.smith at tatnet.com
> t: 410.571.9462
> f: 410.571.9442
>
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From ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 17:08:33 2001
From: ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com (ahmad kt)
Date: Thu Jun 21 17:08:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Good Source for Good, clean, professionally crafted perl scripts
Message-ID: <F2738zDv60gxapzhad2000125dc@hotmail.com>

?? ???? ????
??? ?? ???? ????????
??? ??? ??????
?????? ????? ???????
??? ?? ??????? ?? ????!
???????


>From: Sam-I-Am <sam at sam-i-am.com>
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thelist] Good Source for Good, clean, professionally crafted 
>perl scripts
>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:37:03 -0500
>
>seems like this admin would be the best person to go to. If they have
>specific or stringent requirements have them point you at some
>where/person to provide a script that can meet those requirements.
>And like you say it's only got to send an email.. don't they have
>something already you can use? you can't be the first person they've
>come across to want to do such a thing...
>
>Sam
>
> > I was recently informed by a server administrator that my freebie fast 
>and
> > dirty form-mail script was not up to snuff in many respects.
> >
> > Can any one recommend a good source for quality canned perl scripts?
> >
> > It only needs to send an email...
>
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From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com  Thu Jun 21 17:14:13 2001
From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Thu Jun 21 17:14:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] Good Source for Good, clean, professionally crafted perl scripts
References: <B757CBD2.5980%mbarrett@triad.rr.com>
Message-ID: <020401c0fa9e$ef39e720$0301a8c0@FSODOM>

www.cgi-resources.com has tons.  The reviews are somewhat helpful, but you
need to do your own evals

Norman
www.craftedsolutions.com

> Can any one recommend a good source for quality canned perl scripts?
>
> -- Michael Barrett





From brian.j.boerner at lmco.com  Thu Jun 21 17:17:38 2001
From: brian.j.boerner at lmco.com (Boerner, Brian J)
Date: Thu Jun 21 17:17:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] Good Source for Good, clean, professionally crafted	perl scripts
Message-ID: <91A6D3929D6BD4119B8C0008C7E66564041CE226@emss04m03.ems.lmco.com>

www.bignosebird.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Bunn [mailto:norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:08 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Good Source for Good, clean, professionally
crafted perl scripts


www.cgi-resources.com has tons.  The reviews are somewhat helpful, but you
need to do your own evals

Norman
www.craftedsolutions.com

> Can any one recommend a good source for quality canned perl scripts?
>
> -- Michael Barrett



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From RyanF at SonicFoundry.com  Thu Jun 21 17:39:28 2001
From: RyanF at SonicFoundry.com (Ryan Finley)
Date: Thu Jun 21 17:39:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] Having an Opera issue...
Message-ID: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D281D55F4@flash>

I was running thru my site (SurveyMonkey.com) with Opera 5 on Windows, and
everything looks good so far...except that every <hr> does not have any
vertical padding.

The site works across IE 4-6 on Windows and Mac, Netscape 4-6 on Windows and
Mac...but I want to clear up this last remaining issue with Opera.

You can see the <hr> problem on the front page...right below the member
login.

Thanks for any help,

	Ryan Finley
	President - SurveyMonkey.com (http://www.surveymonkey.com)



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Jun 21 18:02:15 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Jun 21 18:02:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion - encode entities?
In-Reply-To: <DCEFFCADF5D776408AF1E79FD1DCE1A21AFC53@fort.cygnuspub.com>
Message-ID: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELGEECHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

pete,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Pete Prodoehl
:
: Hello all, is there a way for ColdFusion
: to encode characters to make things
: 'query string friendly'?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

sure, look into the function -- URLEncodedFormat()

and, if you're running host is running cf v4.5+ then you'll need to use
URLDecode() to return the encoded value back to a readable format (previous
versions used to do that automatically for you).

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From jdowdell at macromedia.com  Thu Jun 21 19:40:25 2001
From: jdowdell at macromedia.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Thu Jun 21 19:40:25 2001
Subject: [thelist] successful web projects
Message-ID: <v02140b11b75843e1ec83@[10.112.1.69]>

At 9:20 AM 6/21/1, Peter Van Dijck wrote:
> I am looking for typical problems in a web development project
> from a client's point of view. Any resources, ideas? for example:
> not setting evaluation goals at the beginning makes it hard to
> prove to your boss you did a good job at the end.

This may not have everything, but it's likely pretty close... a good
checklist overall:
http://www.macromedia.com/resources/techniques/

jd




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From jdowdell at macromedia.com  Thu Jun 21 19:49:35 2001
From: jdowdell at macromedia.com (John Dowdell)
Date: Thu Jun 21 19:49:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] image ready 2/3
Message-ID: <v02140b12b75844f92e61@[10.112.1.69]>

At 8:16 AM 6/21/1, Brian King wrote:
> With the history and macro features can save you a lot of time
> if you use them to your advantage.  You shouldn't ever have to
> reperform laborious tasks more then once. Just use the features
> available to you.  I think that Image Ready has Fireworks beat
> in that area.  I use the macro building feature a lot for custom
> tasks that I want to do.  I never have to do them again and I
> end up with a package that has my needs built into it when I am
> done, can Fireworks do that?

Certainly. Just copy steps from your History Panel to make a new Command.
Can ImageReady do that...?  ;-)

(Atop that, the internal scripting language is pure JavaScript, and the
application exposes a full JavaScript API. Once you create a command by
copying the basic steps you can open it in a text editor, add conditional
tests or other JavaScript... I've seen people grab live data from temporary
windows to allow parameterizable Commands. Then atop that Fireworks can be
driven by Dreamweaver too, through the same scripting language. There's
much power, even while being easier to use.)

But still, for sharing slicing patterns, that piece of work has a better UI
in Fireworks too, just a single copy/paste will do it. Check Fireworks out.
I suspect it would be advantageous.

jd





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From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com  Thu Jun 21 20:08:29 2001
From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Thu Jun 21 20:08:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: thelist digest, Vol 1 #1421 - 30 msgs
References: <20010617065841.31730.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a601c0fa54$a675aaa0$0301a8c0@FSODOM>

Have seen this when resources get low on the PC.  Sometimes closing other
open apps fixes the problem.  Other times, it takes a full reboot.

Norman
www.craftedsolutions.com

> >This is my first post. First pardon my English, I'm
> >Indonesian.
> >I have a weird behavior in IE 5.5 Windows 98. If I
> >open two or more windows, when I switch to another
> >window sometimes I can't open the File menu bar (and
> >other options of course). I can only open it if only
> I
> >switch to another window and back again.
> >Would you help me with this irritating behavior.






From doshea at surfree.com  Thu Jun 21 21:24:36 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Thu Jun 21 21:24:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] FrontPage Server Extensions for Apache on Windows 2000 Server
In-Reply-To: <3B324841.9F40793@sdsumus.sdstate.edu>
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINMENPCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

Hello Minh,

You may want to check this site out.

http://www.visca.com/clueless/perl_apache_win9x.html#apa

Once upon a time I installed Apache on a prior Windows system and it
actually worked very well. The setup takes some reading, but once completed,
worked great. These directions are for Windows 95 and 98, not sure if
they're compatable with 2000. But figure you could even email them about
2000.

Hope this helps.

DanO

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Minh Lee Goon
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:17 PM
> To: evolt
> Subject: [thelist] FrontPage Server Extensions for Apache on Windows
> 2000 Server
>
>
> Has anyone installed FrontPage Server Extensions for Apache on Windows
> 2000 Server? I looked around in Microsoft's website, but could not find
> the "Apache on Windows" combination. I'd really appreciate any help you
> all can give me. Thanks.
>
> </ml>
>
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From hanstarr at home.com  Thu Jun 21 22:05:26 2001
From: hanstarr at home.com (Tim Hansen)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:05:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Text links to javascript popup windows
Message-ID: <001505001031661BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com>

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I know that vlinks or A:visited (in CSS) to change the colour of visited
links do not work when the link is to javascript for a popup window.   =
Is
there anyway to get around this?  The A:visited does not work in NN4x or
MacIE5.  In Netscape the link turns red when clicked no matter what the
style sheet or a, vlink in the body tag.  Red really clashes with my =
site.
How can I control the colour of the links to javascript.  At the very =
least,
how can I get NN to not use red for the active state?
Cheers.




From mail at redhotsweeps.com  Thu Jun 21 22:20:21 2001
From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:20:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] JS Form validation - Radio buttons
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621221522.032cd1e8@redhotsweeps.com>

Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this function?  I cannot get it to 
work correctly.  The function is being called, but the alert box isn't acting.

function query_validator(form){
         if(form.userid.unchecked == false){
                 alert('You must choose a user to process.');
         return(false);
         }
}

Here is the radio button line.
<td bgcolor="#90e4a0"><input type="Radio" name="userid" value="<? echo 
$row[0] ?>"></td>

Thanks.

CDItty




From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Jun 21 22:26:22 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:26:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Text links to javascript popup windows
In-Reply-To: <001505001031661BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com>
Message-ID: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELEEEMHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

tim,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Tim Hansen
:
: How can I control the colour of the links
: to javascript.  At the very least, how can
: I get NN to not use red for the active state?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

what you're seeing actually has nothing to do with javascript.  you're just
not seeing it on normal links because the browser goes to the next page too
quickly.  however, click and hold any normal link and you'll notice it'll
also turn red until you release the mouse button.

you answered your own question -- it's the active state you want to alter.

a:active {
  color: #000000;
}

fwiw, a:visited works in nn and mac/ie.  the only one of the pseudo-classes
that doesn't work is a:hover in nn4.

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From beau at pair.com  Thu Jun 21 22:27:36 2001
From: beau at pair.com (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:27:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEEFCDAA.beau@pair.com>

Hi,

I have a client who wants me to make him an e-commerce site. He doesn't
have much money, so I'm trying to do build it inexpensively. I've never put
an e-commerce site together, but I have an idea of how it might work:

1. Find an inexpensive host that supports php, mysql and ssl. (I'm using
http://www.cedant.com/).
2. Create HTML pages with all the products listed.
3. Create a simple PHP shopping cart.
4. Set up a secure area (shared ssl).
5. Create a PHP checkout app (which resides in the secure server) that adds
taxes and shipping, calculates the total, collects the address, and credit
card number. This information is either (which is best!?):

a) PGP emailed to my client.
b) Stored in a mySQL database that is accessed via a php script that
resides on the shared secure server, in a secret directory behind .htaccess
protection.
c) Stored in a flatfile database that is accessed via a php script that
resides on the shared secure server, in a secret directory behind .htaccess
protection.

6. My client gets an email sent with the order information (and credit card
information if it was sent via PHP email). If 5b or 5c, then my client goes
to his secure area and gets the credit card information, then deletes the
information from that area.
7. My client prepares the order to be shipped.
8. My client enters his card information to his bricks & mortar store, the
transaction is approved, and he ships the product.

How am I doing?

Thanks,

Beau




From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Jun 21 22:31:36 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:31:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] JS Form validation - Radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621221522.032cd1e8@redhotsweeps.com>
Message-ID: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELAEENHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

chris,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: CDitty
:
: Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this function?
:
: [...]
:
: if(form.userid.unchecked == false)
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

there's no such property as "unchecked" for a radio button (there is in ie,
but only as an expando property -- yummy).  you should try "checked"
instead:

if(form.userid.checked)

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From mwarden at odyssey-design.com  Thu Jun 21 22:32:16 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:32:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] JS Form validation - Radio buttons
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621221522.032cd1e8@redhotsweeps.com>
Message-ID: <01de01c0facb$74fbfbb0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb>

> From: "CDitty" <mail at redhotsweeps.com>
> Subject: [thelist] JS Form validation - Radio buttons
>

> Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this function?  I cannot get it to
> work correctly.
>
> function query_validator(form){
>          if(form.userid.unchecked == false){
>                  alert('You must choose a user to process.');
>          return(false);
>          }
> }

You sure you're not getting an error? I don't believe "unchecked" is a valid
property. The property is "checked".

function query_validator(form){
         if(document.form.userid.checked == false){
                 alert('You must choose a user to process.');
         return(false);
         }
}

Also, if you have more than one radio, you will have to loop through them
all and check each one as such (untested):

function query_validator(form){
    var isOneChecked = false;
    for (var i=0; i < document.form.userid.length; i++)
    {
         if(document.form.userid[i].checked){
            isOneChecked = true;
            break;
         }
    }

    if (!isOneChecked) {
        alert('You must choose a user to process.');
         return(false);
    }
}



hth,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From mail at redhotsweeps.com  Thu Jun 21 22:39:26 2001
From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:39:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] JS Form validation - Radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELAEENHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621221522.032cd1e8@redhotsweeps.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621223345.00b0d748@redhotsweeps.com>

Oops.  That was supposed to be the other way around.   I need it to popup 
if the radio button is not selected.

Sorry about that.

Getting past my bed time.  :)

Chris

At 10:28 PM 6/21/2001, you wrote:
>chris,
>
>:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>: From: CDitty
>:
>: Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this function?
>:
>: [...]
>:
>: if(form.userid.unchecked == false)
>:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>there's no such property as "unchecked" for a radio button (there is in ie,
>but only as an expando property -- yummy).  you should try "checked"
>instead:
>
>if(form.userid.checked)
>
>good luck,
>
>.jeff
>
>http://evolt.org/
>jeff at members.evolt.org
>http://members.evolt.org/jeff/
>
>
>
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From mail at redhotsweeps.com  Thu Jun 21 22:44:26 2001
From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:44:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] JS Form validation - Radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <01de01c0facb$74fbfbb0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621221522.032cd1e8@redhotsweeps.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621224103.00b2eaf8@redhotsweeps.com>

Thanks Matt.  This function is giving an error.   document.form.userid is 
null or not an object.

Chris

At 10:28 PM 6/21/2001, you wrote:
>You sure you're not getting an error? I don't believe "unchecked" is a valid
>property. The property is "checked".
>
>function query_validator(form){
>          if(document.form.userid.checked == false){
>                  alert('You must choose a user to process.');
>          return(false);
>          }
>}




From mpember at phreaker.net  Thu Jun 21 22:53:26 2001
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:53:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
References: <LAW2-F73Tlz6xT3R3fe000155aa@hotmail.com> <000b01c0fa84$2c1562c0$13241b3f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <3B32C055.A7602673@phreaker.net>

If all you want to do is test the engine.  try using mozilla 0.91.  it has all
the features of ns6.1 and won't play with your NS6.01 setup.

sfmalo wrote:

> > >I see from another list that NN 6.1 PR1 is now available. Anyone using it
> > >yet and, if so, what do you think of it?
> > PPK wrote:
> > OK-ish, a little faster than 6.01, a little more fluent with everything.
> > However, mouseovers are deteriorating fast.
>
> ppk -
> Thanks. I read your article. Goodness, dots by the mouseover nav bars, how
> strange. I'm really curious whether they've re-instituted the ability for
> the browser to read PDF files. I recently had to put up a warning on another
> client's site (who suddenly decided to put up three PDF files for viewers)
> that Netscape 6 no longer allows viewing such. Hopefully, this feature is
> again available.
>
> Do you think it would be a good idea for me to uninstall 6.01 before
> installing 6.1 Preview Release 1? Might they "fight" otherwise? Or, will 6.1
> PR1 be regarded as an update? I had such an awful experience a few months
> ago when downloading 6.0 that I'm very nervous
>
> Also, I'd like to free up the 30+ meg that 6.01 now takes up on my
> "fast-shrinking" hard drive!
>
> What do you think?
> Sharon
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sharon F. Malone
> "web design and Internet writing services"
> http://www.24caratdesign.com
>
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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--
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ICQ: 12107010






From mail at redhotsweeps.com  Thu Jun 21 22:54:36 2001
From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty)
Date: Thu Jun 21 22:54:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] JS Form validation - Radio buttons - solution
In-Reply-To: <01de01c0facb$74fbfbb0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621221522.032cd1e8@redhotsweeps.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010621225152.00aea260@redhotsweeps.com>

Got it.  I tried if(!(form.userid[0].checked)){ and it is working.

Thanks for helping.

Chris

At 10:28 PM 6/21/2001, you wrote:
> > From: "CDitty" <mail at redhotsweeps.com>
> > Subject: [thelist] JS Form validation - Radio buttons
> >
>
> > Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this function?  I cannot get it to
> > work correctly.
> >
> > function query_validator(form){
> >          if(form.userid.unchecked == false){
> >                  alert('You must choose a user to process.');
> >          return(false);
> >          }
> > }
>
>You sure you're not getting an error? I don't believe "unchecked" is a valid
>property. The property is "checked".
>
>function query_validator(form){
>          if(document.form.userid.checked == false){
>                  alert('You must choose a user to process.');
>          return(false);
>          }
>}
>
>Also, if you have more than one radio, you will have to loop through them
>all and check each one as such (untested):
>
>function query_validator(form){
>     var isOneChecked = false;
>     for (var i=0; i < document.form.userid.length; i++)
>     {
>          if(document.form.userid[i].checked){
>             isOneChecked = true;
>             break;
>          }
>     }
>
>     if (!isOneChecked) {
>         alert('You must choose a user to process.');
>          return(false);
>     }
>}
>
>
>
>hth,
>
>
>--
>mattwarden
>mattwarden.com
>
>
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From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Thu Jun 21 23:12:56 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Thu Jun 21 23:12:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion - encode entities?
In-Reply-To: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELGEECHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIEEBMJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

> pete,
>
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : From: Pete Prodoehl
> :
> : Hello all, is there a way for ColdFusion
> : to encode characters to make things
> : 'query string friendly'?
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> sure, look into the function -- URLEncodedFormat()
>
> and, if you're running host is running cf v4.5+ then you'll need to use
> URLDecode() to return the encoded value back to a readable format
> (previous
> versions used to do that automatically for you).
>

Eh? What do you mean you have to decode it? No you don't. CF automatically
decodes the query string into URL parameters for you. You _can_, if you
want, decode CGI.QUERY_STRING, but you don't have to. (Your email makes it
sound like you have to if you are running CF4.5, this is not the case.)

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda




From mpember at phreaker.net  Thu Jun 21 23:35:56 2001
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Thu Jun 21 23:35:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] In need of a javasript
References: <B757D564.5A9B%k.smith@tatnet.com> <3B326E48.3C10617A@ch-advertising.com>
Message-ID: <3B32CA4D.194BDC7A@phreaker.net>

if you call the close method from the opener, there will not be a prompt.  This
is a "security" feature.

Steve Randa wrote:

> Yeah, that works fine but it throws up an alert message which I don't want.
>
> Steve
>
> Kevin Smith wrote:
>
> > Steve Randa wrote:
> >
> > > I've got a small popup browser window that I wish to remain open for a
> > > specified amount of time then close by itself and refresh the parent
> > > window to a new location. Is there such a thing?
> >
> > Something like this:
> >
> > function closeRefresh(){
> >     opener.location.href='newPage.htm';
> >     self.close()
> >     }
> >
> > <body onload="setTimeout('closeRefresh()',5000);">
> >                                            ^ delay in milliseconds
> >
> > --
> > kevin c smith
> > tatnet, inc.
> > e: k.smith at tatnet.com
> > t: 410.571.9462
> > f: 410.571.9442
> >
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>
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From data at data1701d.com  Thu Jun 21 23:41:36 2001
From: data at data1701d.com (Bill Mason)
Date: Thu Jun 21 23:41:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] Having an Opera issue...
In-Reply-To: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D281D55F4@flash>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621213645.009f8530@data1701d.com>

At 03:35 PM 06/21/2001, you wrote:
>I was running thru my site (SurveyMonkey.com) with Opera 5 on Windows, and
>everything looks good so far...except that every <hr> does not have any
>vertical padding.

Opera renders <hr> that way as a matter of course (for whatever reason).

Assigning some top/bottom margin with CSS to the <hr> is generally the way 
I go.

Bill Mason
data at data1701d.com
Dateline: Starfleet
http://www.data1701d.com
http://profile.guru.com/billmason




From thesite at lists.evolt.org  Thu Jun 21 23:46:01 2001
From: thesite at lists.evolt.org (thesite at lists.evolt.org)
Date: Thu Jun 21 23:46:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for June 21, 2001
Message-ID: <200106220445.f5M4jwl15490@leo.evolt.org>

evolt.org headlines for June 21, 2001

evolt.org outage - 20 June 2001  by: bobdavis
http://evolt.org/article/headlines/25/12159/index.html


Happy reading...

the evolt.org admin team





From noah at tookish.net  Thu Jun 21 23:53:11 2001
From: noah at tookish.net (noah)
Date: Thu Jun 21 23:53:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] record sorting problem
In-Reply-To: <CGEAKIJJHPCINCPBHCDAKEHODNAA.john@neoncowboy.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010621125303.01c7dec0@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622004020.0270ee00@209.203.234.83>

At 01:32 PM 21/06/2001, john corry wrote:
>The Problem:
>I have to make the next/previous links cycle through the rows in the same
>order as on the index page...meaning, if you view an oil's enlargement, next
>goes to the next oil ansd so on, until there are no more oils..then next
>goes to the first pastel, and so on...

Not sure if this is any good to you. Also, I could be completely wrong, in 
which case I'm sure someone will straighten me out. Having said that . . .

It seems like it will be tough to order the images if you're pulling them 
from the db one at a time - in order for them to show up and link the way 
you want them to, I think that the script has to know where the current 
image is in the database in reference to the others.

I achieve something similar to what you want by actually pulling all of the 
appropriate images from the database in one query, and then spreading the 
results over a number of pages (with one result per page). This way there 
is a recordset that has a handle on how the images should be sorted. Of 
course, how the images should be sorted still has to be specified in the 
database.

HTH, cheers,

Noah




From sfmalo at email.msn.com  Fri Jun 22 01:50:42 2001
From: sfmalo at email.msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Fri Jun 22 01:50:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
References: <LAW2-F73Tlz6xT3R3fe000155aa@hotmail.com> <000b01c0fa84$2c1562c0$13241b3f@oemcomputer> <3B32C055.A7602673@phreaker.net>
Message-ID: <055c01c0fae6$e6392260$13241b3f@oemcomputer>

Thanks, I'll try that. But, if I want to download 6.1, do I need to
uninstall 6.01 first or will just the upgraded files download?

Sharon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Pemberton" <mpember at phreaker.net>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1


> If all you want to do is test the engine.  try using mozilla 0.91.  it has
all
> the features of ns6.1 and won't play with your NS6.01 setup.
>
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Sharon F. Malone
 "web design and Internet writing services"
 http://www.24caratdesign.com





From me at charlesw.com  Fri Jun 22 02:56:37 2001
From: me at charlesw.com (Charles Wilson (h))
Date: Fri Jun 22 02:56:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion requires capitalized Datasource names?
References: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIEEBMJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>
Message-ID: <005401c0faf1$03989ed0$b967b118@cx774589b>

I'm not sure what I found or if I am missing something, but listen to this..

Coldfusion Administrator demands datasource names for SQL databases to start with a capital letter.
Example Datasource names: "Test" works. "test" does not.
If you name it "Test", then update, then open it again, it has become "test"- but still works.

Using:
Coldfusion 4.5.1, SQL2000 (trial edition), WIN 2000 Adv. Srv.

What happens:
I create a new database in SQL2000, and name it "test"- all lowercase.

I set it up in ColdFusion Admin's ODBC screen, with the datasource name as "test" - lowercase- and
it fails.
I use "Test" as the datasource name- and it works.

Got 2 minutes?  Try this out and post your results.  If someone else can repeat it, I'd like to
report it.

Thanks.
-charles wilson

(interestingly, small quirky things like this are usually only solved in communites such as this;
I'm glad to be here, and I hope this helps someone. I spent an hour trying to figure out what was
wrong and now I'm thinking it had to do with the capitalization of one letter.)






From me at charlesw.com  Fri Jun 22 02:56:42 2001
From: me at charlesw.com (Charles Wilson (h))
Date: Fri Jun 22 02:56:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion requires capitalized Datasource names?
References: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIEEBMJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c0faf1$10048d50$b967b118@cx774589b>

I'm not sure what I found or if I am missing something, but listen to this..

Coldfusion Administrator demands datasource names for SQL databases to start with a capital letter.
Example Datasource names: "Test" works. "test" does not.
If you name it "Test", then update, then open it again, it has become "test"- but still works.

Using:
Coldfusion 4.5.1, SQL2000 (trial edition), WIN 2000 Adv. Srv.

What happens:
I create a new database in SQL2000, and name it "test"- all lowercase.

I set it up in ColdFusion Admin's ODBC screen, with the datasource name as "test" - lowercase- and
it fails.
I use "Test" as the datasource name- and it works.

Got 2 minutes?  Try this out and post your results.  If someone else can repeat it, I'd like to
report it.

Thanks.
-charles wilson

(interestingly, small quirky things like this are usually only solved in communites such as this;
I'm glad to be here, and I hope this helps someone. I spent an hour trying to figure out what was
wrong and now I'm thinking it had to do with the capitalization of one letter.)







From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk  Fri Jun 22 03:09:57 2001
From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford)
Date: Fri Jun 22 03:09:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
References: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEEFCDAA.beau@pair.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c0faf2$95dd45b0$0b01a8c0@meg>

Hi Beau

I've been in a similar position to you (although using different
technologies).  The advice I received was keep nothing on a public server
that you don't have to.  So what happens in our system is that all of the
shoppers details, bar the CC information, is kept in an SQL Server db.  The
shopper can return to the site later to complete the shopping etc.  She goes
to a secure server to enter her CC details, which are then sent in an
encrypted email (using aspEncrypt - we're a M$ shop) to the fulfilment
house/shop keeper.  Who can then do what they like with them.

So my suggetion is go for 5a.

HTH

Norman


----- Original Message -----
From: "Beau Hartshorne" <beau at pair.com>
To: "thelist" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 4:23 AM
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce


> Hi,
>
> I have a client who wants me to make him an e-commerce site. He doesn't
> have much money, so I'm trying to do build it inexpensively. I've never
put
> an e-commerce site together, but I have an idea of how it might work:
>
> 1. Find an inexpensive host that supports php, mysql and ssl. (I'm using
> http://www.cedant.com/).
> 2. Create HTML pages with all the products listed.
> 3. Create a simple PHP shopping cart.
> 4. Set up a secure area (shared ssl).
> 5. Create a PHP checkout app (which resides in the secure server) that
adds
> taxes and shipping, calculates the total, collects the address, and credit
> card number. This information is either (which is best!?):
>
> a) PGP emailed to my client.
> b) Stored in a mySQL database that is accessed via a php script that
> resides on the shared secure server, in a secret directory behind
.htaccess
> protection.
> c) Stored in a flatfile database that is accessed via a php script that
> resides on the shared secure server, in a secret directory behind
.htaccess
> protection.
>
> 6. My client gets an email sent with the order information (and credit
card
> information if it was sent via PHP email). If 5b or 5c, then my client
goes
> to his secure area and gets the credit card information, then deletes the
> information from that area.
> 7. My client prepares the order to be shipped.
> 8. My client enters his card information to his bricks & mortar store, the
> transaction is approved, and he ships the product.
>
> How am I doing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Beau
>
>
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> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
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>




From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 22 05:01:08 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Fri Jun 22 05:01:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
Message-ID: <LAW2-F106tpfTYSl1q40000880d@hotmail.com>


>Thanks. I read your article. Goodness, dots by the mouseover nav bars, how 
>strange. I'm really curious whether they've re-instituted the ability for 
>the browser to read PDF files. I recently had to put up a warning on 
>another client's site (who suddenly decided to put up three PDF files for 
>viewers) that Netscape 6 no longer allows viewing such. Hopefully, this 
>feature is again available.

Maybe it's because Netscape 6 doesn't recognize the .pdf extension and 
doesn't know what to do with it? Or do you mean that it doesn't open the PDF 
in a browser window or frame? Anyway, hadn't heard about this problem yet.

>Do you think it would be a good idea for me to uninstall 6.01 before
>installing 6.1 Preview Release 1? Might they "fight" otherwise? Or, will 
>6.1 PR1 be regarded as an update? I had such an awful experience a few 
>months ago when downloading 6.0 that I'm very nervous

I've had no trouble in installing 6.01 and 6.1 next to each other, I can 
even run them at the same time. So there shouldn't be a problem.

>Also, I'd like to free up the 30+ meg that 6.01 now takes up on my
>"fast-shrinking" hard drive!

That's another thing, of course <g>. If the sites you make have more than, 
say, 1% hits from Netscape 6, you should keep 6.01 for a little while more 
since this is the browser your users will be using. Switch to 6.1 in, say, 
two months or so.

If you hardly get any NN6 hits at all, you can install 6.1 immediately.

ppk

_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.




From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 22 05:04:22 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Fri Jun 22 05:04:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
Message-ID: <LAW2-F31rUIlQBVoQxU0000f93d@hotmail.com>


>Thanks, I'll try that. But, if I want to download 6.1, do I need to
>uninstall 6.01 first or will just the upgraded files download?

It's best to think of them as two separate browsers. There are no upgrade 
files, you just download the whole lot. And, as I said, there's no reason to 
uninstall 6.01 first (except for disk space).

ppk

_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.




From rossjohnston at wnw.quik.co.nz  Fri Jun 22 05:33:32 2001
From: rossjohnston at wnw.quik.co.nz (Ross Johnston)
Date: Fri Jun 22 05:33:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
References: <3CB23A9F8C3DD511BC2500508BC741332DF9AB@MAILHOST> <a0510030cb757e1f8e1e3@[149.175.43.62]>
Message-ID: <000301c0fb07$ff2c2580$106137d2@default>

One thing is for sure, you had better get used to HTML email

With email  being the biggest activity on the web, site operators who don't
use it fully for communications and promotions will  lose out in a big way,
and fully has to mean HTML

By using email you can take the initiative and keep in touch with vistiors
bringing them back time and time with links to new items or products.
For that reason every  website should have an  email strategy and part of
that strategy has to be the contemplation or use of a more graphical form
than text.

Remember ma and pa have been putting  graphics and pics  in email  for a
while now and the most used email clients such as Outlook Express
have HTML as default.

Hey has anyone thought it could be fun.

Ross Johnston
ross at eresponse.co.nz
http://www.eresponse.co.nz/

Erika said

> What is an ugly email?
>
> 1. One you can't read for the HTML tags?
>
> 2. One you can't see because of white space and images pushing down
content?
>
> 3. All unsolicited mass email sent solely for the purpose of
> promoting a service or product?
>
> 4. All of the above?
> _____________________________
>
> I'm not sure I'm an "average user" but I choose #4.
> _____________________________
>
> As a consumer, I'd suggest to companies that if they MUST send mass
> emails, it would be so nice if they would be text-based informational
> type emails... you know, like a value-added service... and that it
> would be very easy for the user to opt in and out of receiving these
> very informative and useful text-based newsletters.
>
> This dream-spam would be ad-free, except maybe a small credit to you
> and your URL at the top and bottom.
>
> Any prettiness would be achieved with ascii.
>
> <example>
> ((((((((((((((((( WEBREFERENCE UPDATE NEWSLETTER )))))))))))))))))
> </example>
>
> (though that may pose accessibility problems, I don't know.)
>
> Just MHO.
>
> Erika
>
> >(thus avoiding any
> >ugly emails that will drive our prospects to the firm next door) .
> >
> >thx, jelle
>
> --
>






From Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com  Fri Jun 22 05:56:33 2001
From: Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com (Kerin Cosford)
Date: Fri Jun 22 05:56:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] break this code
Message-ID: <B630B725359AD411967B00508BFC8E90026C7245@severin.cursci.co.uk>

Hi all,

Code you all do me a favour and check the following two urls and tell me how
badly they implode on your browsers?

http://www.bocuma.com/tests/freelance/index_no_img.html 
http://www.bocuma.com/tests/freelance/index_with_img.html 


They won't work on v4 browsers - there's going to be a basic version for
that. I think the first url is pretty robust.

The second one however is a bit troublesome - the code has been fairly
hacked together, and I've had reports of it wigging out pretty terribly on
the Mac, and also problems with mouse scrollwheels (which I don't
understand, to be honest).

So, any reports of mangled displays heartily welcome.

Cheers,

Kerin



From genghis at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 06:26:18 2001
From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:26:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
In-Reply-To: <OF2323FD5A.50BCC85F-ON80256A72.005D18F7@ema.pwcinternal.com>
Message-ID: <ANEHKEMJEMCODFCKMFJGIELJDDAA.genghis@members.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of
> martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com
> Sent: 21 June 2001 18:04
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML in email
> 
> While I can't help but agree with the 'email is for text' corner,
> what a lot of CRM implementations do (ideally for users who
> haven't stated a preference...) is send the 1st email as normal
> text with the addition of one bit of HTML:
> <img src="http://domain.com/tracking/pix.gif?trackingid
> height="1" width="1" alt="">
> 
> If the tracking ID appears in the server logs, they're able
> to see HTML.

...and were connected when they opened it, of course...

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 7209 4117       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------ 



From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Fri Jun 22 06:32:33 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:32:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Fw: Link color (Text links to javascript popup windows)
Message-ID: <001d01c0fb0e$ecbe9200$132b5fc3@evelinev>

----- Original Message -----
From: Eveline Vanhemel
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: Link color (Text links to javascript popup windows)


I find this kind of weird, I did this myself a couple of days ago. I have a
link to a javascript on nearly every page on my site, I did the format with
an external stylesheet. Nothing going wrong there for me?

Eveline
eveline_vanhemel at pi.be




From neuro at well.com  Fri Jun 22 06:42:03 2001
From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:42:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] break this code
References: <B630B725359AD411967B00508BFC8E90026C7245@severin.cursci.co.uk>
Message-ID: <011901c0fb0e$487624b0$2a02730a@local.zensoft.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerin Cosford" <Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:53 AM
Subject: [thelist] break this code


> Hi all,
>
> Code you all do me a favour and check the following two urls and tell me
how
> badly they implode on your browsers?
>

both work fine here on IE5.5SP1 on win2k SP1 ... pretty neat idea

--
 _ __   ___ _   _ _ __ ___ @well.com  William Anderson www.well.com/~neuro
| '_ \ / _ \ | | | '__/ _ \  "The thing I love most about deadlines is the
| | | |  __/ |_| | | | (_) |   wonderful WHOOSHing sound they make as they
|_| |_|\___|\__,_|_|  \___/        go past." - Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)




From jeff at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 06:47:18 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:47:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
In-Reply-To: <000301c0fb07$ff2c2580$106137d2@default>
Message-ID: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELIEFGHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

ross,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Ross Johnston
:
: One thing is for sure, you had better
: get used to HTML email
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

no offense, but i don't care for the hard-sell.  in the time i've been using
the net, i've yet to run across an html email of any sort that i preferred
over good, old plain-text.  it just doesn't exist.  there are just too many
reasons why i'll probably always prefer text:

1) smaller file size which means it'll
   take less time to download and less
   room to archive
2) loads up in the preview window faster
3) is easier to format a reply to
4) doesn't require me to be connected to
   read
5) doesn't report my reading of the email
   in a covert fashion
6) doesn't expose me to viruses
7) doesn't spawn browser windows seemingly
   for the heck of it
8) isn't filled full of some self-absorbed
   designers idea of "getting the message
   across" imagery
9) can be read in *any* mail client

and the list goes on.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: With email  being the biggest activity on the
: web, site operators who don't use it fully for
: communications and promotions will  lose out in
: a big way, and fully has to mean HTML
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

based on what you do for a living isn't your opinion alittle biased?

   "All the evidence points to increased
    response rates from graphical (HTML)
    email. It shouldn't be surprising that
    the addition of colour, pictures (even
    multimedia) will increase response over
    text-based email. eResponse is dedicated
    to making this new interactive medium
    work for you."

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: By using email you can take the initiative and
: keep in touch with vistiors bringing them back
: time and time with links to new items or products.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... which in and of itself does not require html enabled email.  you can do
that just as easily with plain text.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: For that reason every  website should have an
: email strategy and part of that strategy has
: to be the contemplation or use of a more
: graphical form than text.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

more importantly though is getting an understanding of your (intended)
audience and what email option makes the most sense for them.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Remember ma and pa have been putting graphics
: and pics in email for a while now and the most
: used email clients such as Outlook Express
: have HTML as default.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and ma and pa putting graphcis and pics in email has nothing to do with them
doing it because it's more compelling.  they're doing it because their mail
client has the html option as the default.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Hey has anyone thought it could be fun.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

sure, but once i put the glass pipe down that feeling went away.





From jeff at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 06:48:53 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:48:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion - encode entities?
In-Reply-To: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIEEBMJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>
Message-ID: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELAEFHHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

ray,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Raymond Camden
:
: > and, if you're running host is running cf v4.5+
: > then you'll need to use URLDecode() to return the
: > encoded value back to a readable format (previous
: > versions used to do that automatically for you).
:
: Eh? What do you mean you have to decode it? No you don't.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

my bad -- got caught on an exception created by our development environment
at work.

too late in the morning to think of a useful tip so i owe.

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Fri Jun 22 06:56:18 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:56:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion requires capitalized Datasource names?
In-Reply-To: <005e01c0faf1$10048d50$b967b118@cx774589b>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEICECGJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

I'm not seeing this here using CF5, and I'm pretty sure I had lowcase named
DSNs in 4.5.1SP2 as well.

But.... I -do- remember an oddity w/ DSN names. I'll try to look it up
today.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Charles Wilson (h)
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:58 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion requires capitalized Datasource names?
>
>
> I'm not sure what I found or if I am missing something, but
> listen to this..
>
> Coldfusion Administrator demands datasource names for SQL
> databases to start with a capital letter.
> Example Datasource names: "Test" works. "test" does not.
> If you name it "Test", then update, then open it again, it has
> become "test"- but still works.
>




From mpember at phreaker.net  Fri Jun 22 07:03:48 2001
From: mpember at phreaker.net (Michael Pemberton)
Date: Fri Jun 22 07:03:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] Call for site testers
Message-ID: <3B333346.9ADD6048@phreaker.net>

I have recently moved my site over to evolt.  I an now seeking people
who are able to test my site for me.

Because of the code being used, I know before we begin that IE/Mac and
NS6.0x/ALL do not work.  NS4/ALL IE5+/Win and Mozilla 0.9+/All should
work.

The url is either:

http://www.mpember.d2g.com/afroapix/website/index.php
                        OR
members.evolt.org/mpember/afroapix/website/index.php

Thanx.
--
Michael Pemberton
mpember at phreaker.net
ICQ: 12107010





From roselli at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 22 07:10:38 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Fri Jun 22 07:10:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
In-Reply-To: <000301c0fb07$ff2c2580$106137d2@default>
Message-ID: <3B32FC32.6924.202A78BB@localhost>

> From: "Ross Johnston" <rossjohnston at wnw.quik.co.nz>
>
> One thing is for sure, you had better get used to HTML email

and you had better get used to it going to dev/null before it gets 
read... HTML mail rarely gets opened over here, especially when i 
don't know the person who sent it... and with more and more 
security exploits in products like Outlook, HTML mail is more of a 
virus delivery mechanism than anything...

(i was staying out of this thread, but that opening comment was 
just insulting to my intelligence)

> With email  being the biggest activity on the web, site operators who
> don't use it fully for communications and promotions will  lose out in
> a big way, and fully has to mean HTML

how?  people have said the same thing about every technology and 
plug-in that's been trotted out since the web started... and i've 
heard that comment about HTML mail for years, and somehow it 
hasn't failed my business...

> By using email you can take the initiative and keep in touch with
> vistiors bringing them back time and time with links to new items or
> products. For that reason every  website should have an  email
> strategy and part of that strategy has to be the contemplation or use
> of a more graphical form than text.

well, let's assume you don't mean spam... what's wrong with a 
hyperlink in a plain-text email?  most mail clients recognize 
hyperlinks and have an easy enough time allowing users to click 
links in messages....

> Remember ma and pa have been putting  graphics and pics  in email  for
> a while now and the most used email clients such as Outlook Express
> have HTML as default.

ma and pa have been sending them as attachments, and they don't 
use Outlook...

and just because Outlook has HTML as default (which, btw, it 
doesn't, it's MS RTF) does not in any way imply that it's better... in 
fact, i blame MS for contributing to the abuse of bandwidth i see...

i equate HTML mail with newbies, anyway...

> Hey has anyone thought it could be fun.

wow, i never thought of that... just think of the sunday afternoons i 
could spend reading HTML email... i'd never to have to surf to see 
crappy design, chew bandwidth, or have my information tracked... 
that's a *blast*...

> Ross Johnston
> ross at eresponse.co.nz
> http://www.eresponse.co.nz/

interesting business model...

btw... have you seen the article on the site?
http://evolt.org/article/list/25/781/index.html




From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com  Fri Jun 22 07:53:53 2001
From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Fri Jun 22 07:53:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] break this code
References: <B630B725359AD411967B00508BFC8E90026C7245@severin.cursci.co.uk>
Message-ID: <008c01c0fb19$ea6c63a0$0301a8c0@FSODOM>

IE5
Nice effect.  You might want to address the fact that there is no "next" or
"previous" page with one column as the page scrolls normally.  Also, in 3
column mode, at lower resolutions, scrolling is required and at 640x480 both
horizontal and veritcal scrolling is required at all settings.

NS4.6
Crashes and burns with JS errors

Opera5
No images or text, links have no effect.

NS6
Works fine

WebTV
No navigation, no DHTML, all text centered.

Norman
www.craftedsolutions.com

> Hi all,
>
> Code you all do me a favour and check the following two urls and tell me
how
> badly they implode on your browsers?
>
> http://www.bocuma.com/tests/freelance/index_no_img.html
> http://www.bocuma.com/tests/freelance/index_with_img.html
>






From jamie.bakum at circle.com  Fri Jun 22 08:05:08 2001
From: jamie.bakum at circle.com (Jamie Bakum)
Date: Fri Jun 22 08:05:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
In-Reply-To: <3B32FC32.6924.202A78BB@localhost>
Message-ID: <B758B9E6.3400%jamie.bakum@circle.com>

Do I hate anything more than unsolicited html email?

(OK, I'd rather get unsolicited html email than say, break my leg, but you
get my drift.)

But, for people who choose to receive it, it can be a pretty strong tool -

We do a number of newsletters for clients - strictly opt-in - that go out in
2 versions, html and plain text. Click-through rates for the html versions
are considerably higher, and the unsubscribe rates are lower -

So html email *used appropriately* (as with anything on the web) can work
well.

---

Jamie




From TheEnigma at Web-side.com  Fri Jun 22 08:29:19 2001
From: TheEnigma at Web-side.com (TheEnigma)
Date: Fri Jun 22 08:29:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] Weird IE behavior
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010616111704.00a43a70@mail.uno.co.tt>
Message-ID: <000101c0fb1f$0f27abf0$da00a8c0@jsampson>

Same here!
Sometimes I have a few windows open as I moderate a Flash Message board at
FlashKit.com, and my browser throws fits when I try to book mark certain
threads.

Just close the browser and restart it! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Marc Seyon
Sent: 16 June 2001 16:19
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Weird IE behavior


At 6/16/2001 02:31 PM, you wrote:

>>This is my first post. First pardon my English, I'm
>>Indonesian.
>>I have a weird behavior in IE 5.5 Windows 98. If I
>>open two or more windows, when I switch to another
>>window sometimes I can't open the File menu bar (and
>>other options of course). I can only open it if only I
>>switch to another window and back again.
>>Would you help me with this irritating behavior.
>
>Sounds like a bug. Do you have a page we can view where this happens? (URL
>please, no attachments).

I think it is a bug, but it's not site specific. I've encountered a similar
problem. Sometimes, with multiple windows open, I can't bookmark a page -
the menu just won't come up - unless I switch back and forth between
windows then try it again.

Win 2k, IE 5.01 incidentally.

-m

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From richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk  Fri Jun 22 08:32:34 2001
From: richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk (Richard H. Morris)
Date: Fri Jun 22 08:32:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] CGI Scripting - Anyone like to quote me?
Message-ID: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMOEGAEPAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>

A potential Client is asking whether we'd be able to do on-line conveyancing
quotes and the site they pointed us to is http://www.fidler.co.uk

This uses a script to take user inputs and convert them to on-line quotes
for conveyancing which can then be followed up by e-mail or by taking a
printable copy.

If anyone is able to do this and can do the work for us, could they please
let me know by e-mail to mailto:thelist at web-designers.co.uk with a quote.
I'd prefer it if the whole shebang could be included (I mean the
Javascripting which takes the user inputs and shoves them into the CGI
script) so that we would just be able to cut and paste the code into the
pages we'd write and dump the script into the cgi-bin, but we'd have no
problem issuing a username/password combo to edit the pages themselves.

It looks fairly straightforward if you can do CGI scripting, but I
can't/haven't...

UK-based coders preferred for billing/payment purposes as payment will be in
pounds sterling but I don't mind if you don't!

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From sales at iibiz.com  Fri Jun 22 09:00:44 2001
From: sales at iibiz.com (sales at iibiz.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:00:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] Using my server for spam?
References: <NBBBJAHNMNCICAMJBONMOEGAEPAA.richard.morris@web-designers.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000d01c0fb24$0b6d97e0$e9a7b3c7@iibiz>

Hi guys,

I've been out of town a while, and busy catching up on all this mail!

Weird thing..............one of my clients wasn't receiving all her email
through my paid hosting company, so they told me to ftp in and check the
var/spool/mail folder.  Nothing in there, but in the var/spool/mque folder
there's 4 files that I have no idea what are or where they came from.  I'm
no expert, but they look like spam lists.

I posting the smallest one below.  Can anyone confirm for me what this is
and what should I do?  Just delete it?  (I've left everything as is, except
replaced my clients info with "myclient"):

Thanks,

Sandy

<snip>
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K990320492
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P66604
I48/10/499873
MI/O error: Error 0
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$rESMTP
$skamensk.donpac.ru
$_[213.59.117.130]
S<brit at kamensk.donpac.ru>
C:<sales at myclient.com>
RPFD:bplazyk at aol.com
H?P?Return-Path: <brit at kamensk.donpac.ru>
HReceived: from kamensk.donpac.ru ([213.59.117.130])
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 for <sales at myclient.com>; Sat, 19 May 2001 20:46:40 -0400
HReceived: from brit (ppp25.kamensk.donpac.ru [195.161.177.134])
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        <scheller at fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de>, <schenov at fest.msk.ru>,
        <scherbatova at dial.ru>, <scherbo at laverna.ru>,
<scherbo at rtpb-vc.spb.su>,
        <scherbo at ruscobank.ru>, <scherem at amsp.tu-chel.ac.ru>,
        <scherrey at proteus-tech.com>, <scheser at liquid-data.com>,
        <schet at geo.dvgu.ru>, <schetinkin at blood.ru>,
        <schiel at phonetik.uni-muenchen.de>, <schigiv at aha.ru>,
        <schip at powder.minsk.by>, <schit at avia.crimea.ua>,
        <schlaflos at t-online.de>, <schlegel at pella.informatik.uni-rostock.de>,
        <schluessel at glasnet.ru>, <schm.fr at t-online.de>,
<schmerr at choice.net>,
        <schmuck at det-freepress.com>, <schnelua at carrier.kiev.ua>,
        <schnetter at uni-tuebingen.de>, <schnorpfeil at thyssen-telecom.de>,
        <school11 at ttfund.spb.ru>, <school21 at nhk.infosys.ru>,
        <school37 at kosnet.ru>, <school3 at lnpi.spb.su>,
        <school4 at Omega.icmp.lviv.ua>, <school92 at dol.donetsk.ua>,
        <school at arnold.msk.ru>, <school at cityline.ru>, <school at mail.cnt.ru>,
        <school at ort.spb.ru>, <school_c at hermitage.ru>,
<schubert at wu-wien.ac.at>,
        <schuerks at t-online.de>, <schuhm at studm.hrz.uni-siegen.de>,
        <schumach at cs.tu-berlin.de>, <schutsch at optimal-systems.de>,
        <schv at ulab.telecom.chel.su>, <schwaige at student.uni-kl.de>,
        <schwanz at elnet.msk.ru>, <schwartz at cs.tu-berlin.de>,
        <schwarz at com2com.ru>, <schwarz at physik.tu-berlin.de>,
        <schweiz at theochem.uni-stuttgart.de>, <schwendt at my-dejanews.com>,
        <schwepes at com2com.ru>, <sch_01 at delmeelit.chernigov.ua>,
        <sci at lpi.ac.ru>, <sbs-order at sbs.spb.ru>
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From Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com  Fri Jun 22 09:11:09 2001
From: Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com (Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:11:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] Using my server for spam?
Message-ID: <OFDE696D12.F8CF3762-ON85256A73.004D71AD@beaerospace.com>

all those .ru addresses should make you very concerned...
have you checked to see if you can relay messages off your smtp server?

-Ron





<sales at iibiz.com>@lists.evolt.org on 06/22/2001 10:02:58 AM

Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org

Sent by:  thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org


To:   <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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Subject:  [thelist] Using my server for spam?


Hi guys,

I've been out of town a while, and busy catching up on all this mail!

Weird thing..............one of my clients wasn't receiving all her email
through my paid hosting company, so they told me to ftp in and check the
var/spool/mail folder.  Nothing in there, but in the var/spool/mque folder
there's 4 files that I have no idea what are or where they came from.  I'm
no expert, but they look like spam lists.

I posting the smallest one below.  Can anyone confirm for me what this is
and what should I do?  Just delete it?  (I've left everything as is, except
replaced my clients info with "myclient"):

Thanks,

Sandy

<snip>
V2
T990319600
K990320492
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P66604
I48/10/499873
MI/O error: Error 0
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$rESMTP
$skamensk.donpac.ru
$_[213.59.117.130]
S<brit at kamensk.donpac.ru>
C:<sales at myclient.com>
RPFD:bplazyk at aol.com
H?P?Return-Path: <brit at kamensk.donpac.ru>
HReceived: from kamensk.donpac.ru ([213.59.117.130])
 by flowers-by-design.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07300
 for <sales at myclient.com>; Sat, 19 May 2001 20:46:40 -0400
HReceived: from brit (ppp25.kamensk.donpac.ru [195.161.177.134])
 by kamensk.donpac.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17128;
 Sat, 19 May 2001 22:30:40 +0400 (MSD)
HMessage-ID: <000601c0e0a9$beb98ce0$86b1a1c3 at brit>
HFrom: =?koi8-r?B?69LB0N7F1M/XIOEu9y4=?= <brit at kamensk.donpac.ru>
HTo: <safharb at batelnet.bs>, <safin1 at aha.ru>, <safon at aha.ru>,
<safonoff at chat.ru>,
        <safonov at lint.ru>, <safonov at osi.ru>, <safr at acca.spb.ru>,
        <safronov at cv.jinr.ru>, <safronov at redline.ru>,
        <safronov at spectr.yaroslavl.ru>, <safronov at tae.msk.su>,
        <safronov at ug.ru>, <safronov at unn.ac.ru>, <safy at safy.spb.ru>,
        <sag at chak.donetsk.ua>, <sag at ecochim.kostroma.su>,
        <sag at ecoh.buy.kostroma.su>, <sag at exchange.spb.inkom.ru>,
        <sag at i-connect.ru>, <sag at mail.infotel.ru>,
        <sag at optimeks.carrier.kiev.ua>, <sag at sar.nnov.ru>, <sag at vaz.ru>,
        <sag at vaz.tlt.ru>, <saga at ssmach.astyle.omsk.su>, <sagan at jeo.ru>,
        <sagaprg at sbtx.tmn.ru>, <sagas at fortpro.uznet.net>,
<sagat at prtb.com.ru>,
        <sagavas at sagavas.kiev.ua>, <sage at free.jesby.tstu.ru>,
        <sage at sarnode.ru>, <sagfarm at cityline.ru>, <sagita at cityline.ru>,
        <sagulin at dialup.ptt.ru>, <saha at nv.vniigar.gazprom.ru>,
        <sahahhhh at mtu-net.ru>, <sahan1 at comset.net>,
        <saharow at rt2.mcc.krasnoyarsk.su>, <sahnov at elsite.ru>,
        <sahohl at online.ru>, <sahrcom at sakhalin.ru>,
<sai at b3172.dd.vaz.tlt.ru>,
        <sai at comset.net>, <sai at ffoods.ru>, <sai at nkaz.kemerovo.su>,
        <sai at siauliai.omnitel.net>, <said at garant.ru>,
<saikov at mail.magelan.ru>,
        <sail at kartsev.donetsk.ua>, <sailing at spb.cityline.ru>,
        <sailor at mail.nevalink.ru>, <sailor at spb.rtsnet.ru>,
        <saint-sib at tomsk.su>, <saint7 at comset.net>, <saint at lirmak.tomsk.su>,
        <saintlaw at chat.ru>, <saints at students.soros.karelia.ru>,
        <saires at molvest.msk.su>, <sajausk at soften.ktu.lt>, <sak at cronyx.ru>,
        <sak at media.lutsk.ua>, <sak at rubltd.altai.su>, <sak at sibgarw.nsk.su>,
        <sakbaev at thsun.jinr.ru>, <sakbaev at thsun1.jinr.ru>,
        <sakenergy at gin.global-one.ru>, <sakevich.s at usa.net>,
        <sakhatv at online.ru>, <sakh_trophy at sakhalin.ru>, <sakim at senatep.ru>,
        <sakr at chg.ru>, <sakura at comch.ru>, <sakus at aha.ru>,
<sal at medincom.ru>,
        <sal at ultersys.ru>, <salaga at mail.cnt.ru>, <salagaev at sbor.ru>,
        <salamano at chat.ru>, <salamon at infopro.spb.ru>, <salang at microdin.ru>,
        <salavat1 at yahoo.com>, <sald-lab at edu-centre.kharkov.com>,
        <sald at market.spb.su>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958210001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958230001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958230002 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958240001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958250001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958260001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958270001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958310001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958320001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958330001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958350001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958370001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0104980958380001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981305520001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981305530001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981306580005 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981306590006 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981307000004 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981307010003 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981307010004 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981307010007 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981307140001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981307150001 at news.siberia.net>,
        <sale-ya02408000r0204981329140001 at news.siberia.net>,
<sale at accton.ru>,
        <sale at alateie.orc.ru>, <sale at andy.ru>, <sale at bannermaker.ru>,
        <sale at cml1.com>, <sale at datech.msk.ru>, <sale at dionis.omskelecom.ru>,
        <sale at doka.ru>, <sale at ist.istnet.ru>, <sale at jpac.msk.su>,
        <sale at mkm.ru>, <sale at ptclikchel.msk.ru>, <sale at sasha.tambov.ru>,
        <sale at sibmac.nsk.su>, <sale at sph.spb.su>, <sale at ved.ru>,
        <sale at venture.spb.ru>, <sale at vld.kiev.ua>, <salepbx at laudlink.ru>,
        <saler at softhome.net>, <sales-denia at portzgen-dowen.es>,
        <sales-homepage at mmink.com>, <sales-team at internet-business.com>,
        <sales at 1e-mall.com>, <sales at 786-2000.com>, <sales at abbyy.ru>,
        <sales at abs-software.com>, <sales at acd-pc.com>,
        <sales at advanced-website.co>, <sales at advanced-website.com>,
        <sales at all-americansports.com>, <sales at all-biz.com>,
        <sales at aloha-hawaii.com>, <sales at alpha-lac.com>,
<sales at alustar.ru>,
        <sales at ambia.com>, <sales at amfodent.spb.ru>,
        <sales at arcatapet-online.com>, <sales at arguss.msk.su>,
        <sales at assembly-tech.com>, <sales at aura.ru>, <sales at avia-kh.cz>,
        <sales at avp.ru>, <sales at az-com.com>, <sales at bali-images.co.uk>,
        <sales at baraholka.net>, <sales at biron.ru>, <sales at bitsoft.ru>,
        <sales at biz-consulting.com>, <sales at bls-inc.com>,
<sales at bobbydz.com>,
        <sales at bride-web.com>, <sales at bridge.com.ua>,
        <sales at bull-electrical.com>, <sales at business-heaven.com>,
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        <sales at cables.com>, <sales at cal-lim.com>, <sales at chassis-plans.com>,
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        <sales at computer-consults.com>, <sales at computerbytes.com>,
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        <sales at csoft.su>, <sales at ctm.spb.su>, <sales at cyber-north.com>,
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        <sales at enterquest.com>, <sales at er-soft.com>,
<sales at eye-to-eye.com>,
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        <sales at fox-project.com.lb>, <sales at freya.etu.ru>,
<sales at fronda.ru>,
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        <sales at gip-inc.com>, <sales at glen-net.ca>,
<sales at globalgalleria.com>,
        <sales at groceries-usa.com>, <sales at gulyaev.kiev.ua>,
        <sales at hardservice.sumy.ua>, <sales at harrison-fisher.co.uk>,
        <sales at harts-of-stur.co.uk>, <sales at hhseed-swt.com>,
        <sales at hi-vac.com>, <sales at home-electronics.com>,
<sales at idgexpos.com>,
        <sales at impex.msk.ru>, <sales at industrial-services.com>,
        <sales at ineco.org>, <sales at infoaccess.com>, <sales at inpro.msk.ru>,
        <sales at instant-email.com>, <sales at instant-internet.com>,
        <sales at instant-internetplus.com>, <sales at internet-direct.net>,
        <sales at iscglobal.com>, <sales at ivtco.msk.ru>,
        <sales at john-prestige.co.uk>, <sales at k-tecusa.coml>,
        <sales at kendaco.telebyte.com>, <sales at knox-software.com>,
        <sales at koala-products.com>, <sales at laidlaw-drew.co.uk>,
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        <sales at m-tech.ab.ca>, <sales at marvelm.ru>,
        <sales at mas-trailer-group.co.uk>, <sales at mas-trailers-group.co.uk>,
        <sales at mdepot.com>
HCc: <sales at mdg.com>, <sales at midwest-brokers.com>,
<sales at mode-lighting.co.uk>,
        <sales at multimedia.ru>, <sales at natural-mystic.demon.co.uk>,
        <sales at naturally-yours.com>, <sales at netmind.com>,
        <sales at nova-scotia.com>, <sales at nutrients.com>,
        <sales at object-components.com>, <sales at ok-web.com>, <sales at okta.ru>,
        <sales at omni-industrial.com>, <sales at online-express.net>,
        <sales at oxz.ru>, <sales at packaging-for-food.com>,
<sales at palo-alto.com>,
        <sales at paton-calvert.co.uk>, <sales at piter-press.ru>,
        <sales at ra.siora.ru>, <sales at ramco-lcs.com>, <sales at rc.msu.ru>,
        <sales at rcnet.ru>, <sales at ruslan-com.ru>, <sales at scan-design.com>,
        <sales at seapointe-inc.com>, <sales at septem.ru>,
<sales at sft.fact400.ru>,
        <sales at skate.ru>, <sales at smith-alderson.com>,
<sales at snaidero-usa.com>,
        <sales at spdg-r.com>, <sales at star-telegram.com>,
<sales at submit-it.com>,
        <sales at sudirect.ru>, <sales at sun-light.com>, <sales at super-seek.com>,
        <sales at tae.msk.su>, <sales at tal.msk.su>, <sales at tapes-usa.com>,
        <sales at technique-site.com>, <sales at telecom-billing.com>,
        <sales at tellafriend.net>, <sales at terem.ru>, <sales at tern.msk.su>,
        <sales at tigikompek.spb.ru>, <sales at tii-tech.com>, <sales at top-3.com>,
        <sales at tradex-consulting.com>, <sales at trio-industries.com>,
        <sales at tru-grit.com>, <sales at ukrcom.net.ua>, <sales at ultersys.ru>,
        <sales at unipower-corp.com>, <sales at valmed.com>, <sales at vicom.ru>,
        <sales at virtuoso.ru>, <sales at visual-concepts.com>,
        <sales at w3-lightspeed.com>, <sales at waller-sales.com>,
        <sales at webpage-fx.com>, <sales at website-master.com>,
        <sales at welcome-to-china.com>, <sales at wildflower-seed.com>,
        <sales at window-fashion.com>, <sales at worldline-mktg.com>,
        <sales at worldwideclassified.net>, <sales at wow-me.com>,
        <sales at zaldin-associates.com>, <salesinfo at bank-source.com>,
        <salespb at comset.net>, <saletel at laudlink.ru>, <salex at nbu.rovno.ua>,
        <salexk at dataforce.net>, <salexk at dol.ru>, <saliaev at aha.ru>,
        <salikhov at cityline.ru>, <salim at microdin.ru>, <salin at chat.ru>,
        <salis at com2com.ru>, <salkin at math.dvgu.ru>, <sall at spb.ru>,
        <salli-by-the-bay at usa.net>, <sally at comset.net>,
<salnikov at com2com.ru>,
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        <salon at penza.sura.com.ru>, <salonn at salonn.msk.ru>,
        <salp at my-dejanews.com>, <salsk at donpac.ru>, <salt at admiral.ru>,
        <salt at salt.inca.donetsk.ua>, <saltus at akcecc.kiev.ua>,
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<salvato120 at aol.com>,
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<sam at glaz.ilb.udm.ru>,
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<sam at mail.cnt.ru>,
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<sam at mick.kr.donetsk.ua>,
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<samarkan at cv.jinr.ru>,
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<samokish at dicom.donetsk.ua>,
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<sampos at microdin.ru>,
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<samson34 at cityline.ru>,
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<samson at mupitt.penza.su>,
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<samuelnb at ipc.ru>,
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<san at anet.donetsk.ua>,
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<san at mail.cnt.ru>,
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        <sanborn at my-dejanews.com>, <sancho at jedi.kosnet.ru>,
<sancho at kosnet.ru>,
        <sancho at pcb.chernigov.ua>, <sanct at shipch.sebastopol.ua>,
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        <scheller at fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de>, <schenov at fest.msk.ru>,
        <scherbatova at dial.ru>, <scherbo at laverna.ru>,
<scherbo at rtpb-vc.spb.su>,
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        <schet at geo.dvgu.ru>, <schetinkin at blood.ru>,
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<schlegel at pella.informatik.uni-rostock.de>,
        <schluessel at glasnet.ru>, <schm.fr at t-online.de>,
<schmerr at choice.net>,
        <schmuck at det-freepress.com>, <schnelua at carrier.kiev.ua>,
        <schnetter at uni-tuebingen.de>, <schnorpfeil at thyssen-telecom.de>,
        <school11 at ttfund.spb.ru>, <school21 at nhk.infosys.ru>,
        <school37 at kosnet.ru>, <school3 at lnpi.spb.su>,
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        <school at arnold.msk.ru>, <school at cityline.ru>, <school at mail.cnt.ru>,
        <school at ort.spb.ru>, <school_c at hermitage.ru>,
<schubert at wu-wien.ac.at>,
        <schuerks at t-online.de>, <schuhm at studm.hrz.uni-siegen.de>,
        <schumach at cs.tu-berlin.de>, <schutsch at optimal-systems.de>,
        <schv at ulab.telecom.chel.su>, <schwaige at student.uni-kl.de>,
        <schwanz at elnet.msk.ru>, <schwartz at cs.tu-berlin.de>,
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From jschomp at ghnonline.com  Fri Jun 22 09:31:44 2001
From: jschomp at ghnonline.com (John Schomp)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:31:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: Dynamic PDF files
In-Reply-To: <20010622033030.0BB14521FB@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBKKIGNKJMJAAPLANPKEGCMFAA.jschomp@ghnonline.com>

Try http://www.pdflib.com/ .  Down and dirty but works like a champ.

>Does anyone know of a good server-side component (for ASP), that can
>generate PDF files on the fly?





From r937 at interlog.com  Fri Jun 22 09:32:34 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:32:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] Using my server for spam?
Message-ID: <01c0fb27$a16c4ea0$8e4a149a@rudy>

>all those .ru addresses should make you very concerned...


hi ron

if ever there was a post that should have been trimmed in the reply, it was
yours

<tip>
for the sake of our digest and dialup subscribers,
please trim your posts --
see "list info and guidelines"
http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/listinfo
</tip>

rudy





From chris at completeimaging.com  Fri Jun 22 09:45:07 2001
From: chris at completeimaging.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:45:07 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS SQL Image Datatype and CF
Message-ID: <000201c0fb29$91c06570$0900000a@darrell>

Hello,

Does anyone have any experience using the Image datatype in MS SQL
Server for storing files? I am putting together an application that
allows clients to upload data files to a website. For security reasons I
would like to be able to place these files into the MS SQL database that
we are using (the database being encrypted).

However, I have no idea as to how to properly use this datatype. I am
using ColdFusion to access the db. Anyone have any experience doing
this?

/chris

Web Developer
www.completeimaging.com/chris





From roselli at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 22 09:52:43 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:52:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS SQL Image Datatype and CF
In-Reply-To: <000201c0fb29$91c06570$0900000a@darrell>
Message-ID: <200106221452.f5MEqal31532@leo.evolt.org>

> From: "Chris Johnston" <chris at completeimaging.com>
> 
> Does anyone have any experience using the Image datatype in MS SQL
> Server for storing files? I am putting together an application that
> allows clients to upload data files to a website. For security reasons
> I would like to be able to place these files into the MS SQL database
> that we are using (the database being encrypted).

quick question, are you *sure* you want to store *files* in the db 
and not pointers to files?

since it's MS SQL, i'll assume you'll be running from an NT (or 2k) 
server... NT is built around the file system, so you'd most definitely 
have better results serving files from the file system than from a 
database...

and then there's all the issues with storing a file in a db and 
accessing it... as far as i know, the iamge datatype is just a blob...




From v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu  Fri Jun 22 09:53:39 2001
From: v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu (Minh Lee Goon)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:53:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion Studio 5 Beta 1
Message-ID: <3B335BA5.83C61818@sdsumus.sdstate.edu>

Let's put the power of evolt to the test again.

I received an email from the Allaire/Macromedia Beta Program announcing
that the new beta version of CF Studio. It's not there and there seems
to be a few developers looking for it and posting threads on the message
boards.

So, if there's someone out there who can make that little adjustment, it
would restore order to the world again.

Thanks.

</ml>



From web at master.gen.in.us  Fri Jun 22 09:56:57 2001
From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke )
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:56:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
Message-ID: <3B3324FC.23706.A7CA91E@localhost>

What versions of which browsers have XML (not just XHTML) support?


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From Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com  Fri Jun 22 09:57:37 2001
From: Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com (Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:57:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Using my server for spam?
Message-ID: <OF4BE77F09.1F0CC857-ON85256A73.005102BC@beaerospace.com>

<snip>
hi ron
if ever there was a post that should have been trimmed in the reply, it was
yours
</snip>

You're right!  I'm so sorry, I usually am very good about trimming but this
time I just plain forgot... don't come down from Canada and beat me up
Rudy... please, we already have enough Canadians in Florida!

<tip>
For any Notes people out there...
don't use 'page' design elements in Lotus Notes.  They are useless because
an end user can not update them.  Rather, create a separate form for each
page, and have a view that the first column is the form name.  You can then
build a URL like this...  "viewByForm/theFormName?OpenForm".  That view
would also be limited to published documents, or however you status them.
This way some workflow can let the users edit the page, and URLs don't
depend on DOC IDs, but rather just the name of the form.
</tip>





From mwarden at odyssey-design.com  Fri Jun 22 09:58:23 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:58:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
References: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEEFCDAA.beau@pair.com> <005a01c0faf2$95dd45b0$0b01a8c0@meg>
Message-ID: <002901c0fb2b$4a74ada0$7303020a@hg2p201>

> From: "Norman Beresford" <n.beresford at anansi.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
>

...
> She goes
> to a secure server to enter her CC details, which are then sent in an
> encrypted email (using aspEncrypt - we're a M$ shop) to the fulfilment
> house/shop keeper.  Who can then do what they like with them.
>
> So my suggetion is go for 5a.

Interesting.

What happens if their mail server is down and the email gets bounced? What
happens if the house/shop keeper accidently deletes an email?

I'm not being difficult. I'm curious if you have backup plans for these
situations. The first question is the reason I've never gone this route
(though the second question has just as much validity).

Thanks,

--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From headlemur at qwest.net  Fri Jun 22 09:58:41 2001
From: headlemur at qwest.net (the head lemur)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:58:41 2001
Subject: [thelist] More Smart Tags
Message-ID: <002a01c0fb2b$2cdcb080$0b646464@qwest.net>

This weeks issue of A List Apart has a great Article on Smart Tags
http://www.alistapart.com/stories/smarttags/

worth the time...






From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Fri Jun 22 09:59:46 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:59:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion Studio 5 Beta 1
In-Reply-To: <3B335BA5.83C61818@sdsumus.sdstate.edu>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIKEDIJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

I'll look into it.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Minh Lee Goon
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: evolt
> Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion Studio 5 Beta 1
> 
> So, if there's someone out there who can make that little adjustment, it
> would restore order to the world again.




From chris at completeimaging.com  Fri Jun 22 10:05:14 2001
From: chris at completeimaging.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Fri Jun 22 10:05:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS SQL Image Datatype and CF
In-Reply-To: <200106221452.f5MEqal31532@leo.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <000301c0fb2c$62ae8070$0900000a@darrell>

Right now I am just experimenting with the idea. Trying to see if I can
get it to work. From what I have read the image data type is just a
BLOB. However, I have no idea what this means.

Our main problem that we are trying to solve is finding a satisfactory
way of allowing the clients to download the files once they are on the
server. We are storing the files away from the website directory
structure (eventually on another computer all together) and are running
into problems with files being downloadable easily from different
browsers. Seems ie 5.5 sp1 has a very annoying little bug in it that
makes it very hard to download files properly.

If anyone has figured out a good way of allowing people to download
files that are not in the web directory and not on an ftp site and that
hides the path to the file it would be greatly appreciated if you could
share this information. The application is being built in coldfusion,
but a JavaScript or java solution that works across browsers and browser
version - ie 5.5sp1, would be a life saver right now.

Thanks,

/chris

Web Developer
www.completeimaging.com/chris


> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of aardvark
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:49 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] MS SQL Image Datatype and CF
> 
> 
> 
> quick question, are you *sure* you want to store *files* in the db 
> and not pointers to files?
> 
> since it's MS SQL, i'll assume you'll be running from an NT (or 2k) 
> server... NT is built around the file system, so you'd most 
> definitely 
> have better results serving files from the file system than from a 
> database...
> 
> and then there's all the issues with storing a file in a db and 
> accessing it... as far as i know, the iamge datatype is just a blob...




From mwarden at odyssey-design.com  Fri Jun 22 10:14:06 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri Jun 22 10:14:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
References: <3B3324FC.23706.A7CA91E@localhost>
Message-ID: <001001c0fb2d$7a4339a0$7303020a@hg2p201>

> From: "deke " <web at master.gen.in.us>
> Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
>

> What versions of which browsers have XML (not just XHTML) support?

All of them.

But, what I think you're really asking is which browsers support XSLT. I
believe that is IE5 and NN6.


HTH,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu  Fri Jun 22 10:30:01 2001
From: v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu (Minh Lee Goon)
Date: Fri Jun 22 10:30:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion Studio 5 Beta 1
References: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIKEDIJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>
Message-ID: <3B336430.4F8ACCDA@sdsumus.sdstate.edu>

Cool... Thanks.


Raymond Camden wrote:
> 
> I'll look into it.
>



From fortune_elkins at summithq.com  Fri Jun 22 10:46:25 2001
From: fortune_elkins at summithq.com (Fortune Elkins)
Date: Fri Jun 22 10:46:25 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: resizable popup window in netscape 4.76?
Message-ID: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B64FB@mailhost.summithq.com>

hiya!

as you may remember, last week i needed some poup window code that was
compatible with IE, netscape 6, and netscape 4.76. 

you all kindly gave me:

function popUp(theURL,winName,features) {
         popWin = window.open(theURL,winName,features);
	   setTimeout('popWin.focus()', 500);
        }

which is working great. 

the onclick event at the link is:

<a href="mypage.htm" target="_blank"
onClick="popUp('mypage.htm','PopUpWindow','width=590,height=420, scrollbars,
resizable')">

this works perfectly in IE and netscape 6. it's almost perfect in netscape
4.76, which doesn't seem to recognize the "resizable."

what am i doing wrong? i'm sure it's a simple fix and that i'm overlooking
something obvious. . .

tia,

fortune

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From beau at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 10:52:12 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Fri Jun 22 10:52:12 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
In-Reply-To: <002901c0fb2b$4a74ada0$7303020a@hg2p201>
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKEEEMCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>

Well, if the mail gets bounced, we have to trust that the PGP encryption
will keep the information safe. If they accidentally delete their email,
then they lose the order. What route would you normally take? And how is
someone less likely to accidentally delete an order in this system?

Thanks,

Beau

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Warden, Matt
Sent: June 22, 2001 7:54 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce


Interesting.

What happens if their mail server is down and the email gets bounced? What
happens if the house/shop keeper accidently deletes an email?

I'm not being difficult. I'm curious if you have backup plans for these
situations. The first question is the reason I've never gone this route
(though the second question has just as much validity).




From chrisg at gsnet.com  Fri Jun 22 10:58:17 2001
From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri Jun 22 10:58:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
In-Reply-To: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKEEEMCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <B758C658.3BD1%chrisg@gsnet.com>

Yes, the PGP will keep the email secure if it bounces... But you would
probably have the webmaster as the return addy anyway, so that would account
for that scenario.

And you may want the orders sent to a catchall account as well (cc) just in
case they delete it.  Maybe to be on the safe side (and so you're not
getting dozens of orders a day/hour/minute) set it up on a web-based email
client behind https.

Anyway, just some ideas.

---
cdg

on 6/22/2001 9:48 AM, Beau Hartshorne at beau at members.evolt.org wrote:

> Well, if the mail gets bounced, we have to trust that the PGP encryption
> will keep the information safe. If they accidentally delete their email,
> then they lose the order. What route would you normally take? And how is
> someone less likely to accidentally delete an order in this system?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Beau




From IanOrnstein at NC.SLR.com  Fri Jun 22 10:59:04 2001
From: IanOrnstein at NC.SLR.com (Ornstein, Ian)
Date: Fri Jun 22 10:59:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] I just learned that members can customize their CSS view of evolt
 .org
Message-ID: <BD40369342D0D411BB7600D0B7B9625E7338CE@excnc4.nc.slr.com>

Why is it I just learned it now after about 9 months of reading this list?
Is this one of the currently disabled features?
Can I make more than one style sheet?

The reason I want to change my view, not complaining, is that
it is too dark for my eyes. I prefer more contrast of
dark text on lighter backgrounds.

- IanO -



From mwarden at odyssey-design.com  Fri Jun 22 11:01:28 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri Jun 22 11:01:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
References: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKEEEMCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <008401c0fb34$1800f140$7303020a@hg2p201>

> From: "Beau Hartshorne" <beau at members.evolt.org>
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
>

> Well, if the mail gets bounced, we have to trust that the PGP encryption
> will keep the information safe.

But, they lose the order and never know about it, right?

> If they accidentally delete their email,
> then they lose the order.

Ouch.

> What route would you normally take?

Web-based admin section on a secure server.

> And how is
> someone less likely to accidentally delete an order in this system?

They *can't* delete an order unless they somehow get direct access to the
database. I NEVER delete orders. They can be "deleted" by the shop owner,
but that simply hides it from view in the admin section (IOW, it's still in
the database if they really need it).



Thanks,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From bev at enso-company.com  Fri Jun 22 11:06:37 2001
From: bev at enso-company.com (Bev Corwin)
Date: Fri Jun 22 11:06:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
References: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKEEEMCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <143101c0fb35$51d9ca80$a2b999cf@beverly8n5gg7i>

Hi....

There should be some system to catch the mail, we have a default mail
account, all lost mail goes there regardless.  Bounced mail would go back to
the person who issued it, so they would know it didn't go through.  PGP is
good.  We have our clients who use that type of cart / order email system to
log on SSH to the secure server and read their mail directly rather than
transferring it through email.   That way they don't have to worry about
packet loss, etc., or PGP not working, etc.

We like the online processing too... its not as expensive as you would think
really.  The way it is designed is very nice because the credit card info is
not stored anywhere... the only thing that is stored is the authorization
information.  It protects privacy and credit card info with the online
processing method.  I like it better than email,  but it does cost a little
bit more....... but still surprisingly affordable.

Sincerely,
Bev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beau Hartshorne" <beau at members.evolt.org>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce


> Well, if the mail gets bounced, we have to trust that the PGP encryption
> will keep the information safe. If they accidentally delete their email,
> then they lose the order. What route would you normally take? And how is
> someone less likely to accidentally delete an order in this system?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Beau




From sfmalo at email.msn.com  Fri Jun 22 11:21:13 2001
From: sfmalo at email.msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Fri Jun 22 11:21:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
References: <LAW2-F106tpfTYSl1q40000880d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <06ef01c0fb36$891f27a0$13241b3f@oemcomputer>

PPK wrote:
> Maybe it's because Netscape 6 doesn't recognize the .pdf extension and
> doesn't know what to do with it? Or do you mean that it doesn't open the
PDF
> in a browser window or frame? Anyway, hadn't heard about this problem yet.

It won't open PDF files in the browser window. I ran into this months ago
and, as I recall, questioned the list about it, but never got any responses.
Have been patiently waiting to see if and when Netscape 6.x will fix this.

Thanks for the rest of the advice.
S.
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From gb at inetwire.com  Fri Jun 22 11:26:30 2001
From: gb at inetwire.com (Gerd Baumann)
Date: Fri Jun 22 11:26:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
References: <20010622125802.D9B16521CD@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3B337004.82D977C7@inetwire.com>

> >Thanks, I'll try that. But, if I want to download 6.1, do I need to
> >uninstall 6.01 first or will just the upgraded files download?
>
> It's best to think of them as two separate browsers. There are no upgrade
> files, you just download the whole lot. And, as I said, there's no reason to
> uninstall 6.01 first (except for disk space).

FWIW,  I downloaded the Mac version of N6.1 yesterday into my browser
directory and N6.0 was deleted. So, if you want to keep both versions,
you might use another directory.

Best,
Gerd





From beau at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 11:27:56 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Fri Jun 22 11:27:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
In-Reply-To: <008401c0fb34$1800f140$7303020a@hg2p201>
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEEPCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>

I'm still not very comfortable with storing a bunch of credit card
information in a database somewhere. You've convinced me that I should
really store all of the order information (sans credit card) in an SQL
database. This way if an email bounces into obliteration, my client will
know which order he did not fulfill. (I could ask him to print each order
out, put it in a binder, delete the email message, and compare the orders
in his binder to whatever's stored in the sql database.)

What kind of security are you giving your admin sections and SQL databases
with all this credit card info? And how far away are they from the order
page? (Is it on a different server, etc.)

Beau

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Warden, Matt
Sent: June 22, 2001 8:58 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce

They *can't* delete an order unless they somehow get direct access to the
database. I NEVER delete orders. They can be "deleted" by the shop owner,
but that simply hides it from view in the admin section (IOW, it's still in
the database if they really need it).




From cvos at netpaths.net  Fri Jun 22 11:34:14 2001
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Fri Jun 22 11:34:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: inexpensive E-Commerce
References: <20010622125450.D12EEB80@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3B3372A7.B468581C@netpaths.net>

for your inexpensive E-Commerce, dont forget to checkout www.theexchangeproject.org

1. Find an inexpensive host that supports php, mysql and ssl. (I'm using
http://www.cedant.com/).
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360.714.8395 office
360.223.7799 cell

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From jvcwebdev at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 11:59:56 2001
From: jvcwebdev at yahoo.com (jvcwebdev)
Date: Fri Jun 22 11:59:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
References: <3B3324FC.23706.A7CA91E@localhost> <001001c0fb2d$7a4339a0$7303020a@hg2p201>
Message-ID: <048701c0fb3c$436e8560$4ee0a8c0@ebifr.com>

>> What versions of which browsers have XML (not just XHTML) support?

>All of them.
>
>But, what I think you're really asking is which browsers support XSLT. I
>believe that is IE5 and NN6.

I believe that only IE5 and NN6 support XML.  I think that IE4 supported it
if you installed a special service pack.  The two browsers deal with XML
differently.  IE5 returns a tree structure and NN6 just gives a mass of text
unless you call a style sheet to format the XML.

I think that so far XSLT is usually done server side.

-jeff van campen




From sgd at ti3.com  Fri Jun 22 12:10:06 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:10:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] Friday Freebie
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172493101@gate.ti3.com>

I can't take credit for this one, it goes to another guy here at work

<tip type="SQL Server 7" subject="fergit thems doubling up on the single
quotes">
How's this for a sexy trick. Instead of replacing single ticks (') with two
('') so that SQL Server likes them, wrap the entire string in square
brackets, like so: [Jeff O'Malley]

Not only does that save processing time to do the search and replace, it
also covers up other special characters that may be lurking in the string.
</tip>

sgd
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work: http://ti3.com/
non: http://thinksafely.org/ 



From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Jun 22 12:14:16 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:14:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] Friday Freebie
In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172493101@gate.ti3.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622101027.02bf9eb8@baratta.com>

At 10:06 AM 6/22/2001, you wrote:
>I can't take credit for this one, it goes to another guy here at work
>
><tip type="SQL Server 7" subject="fergit thems doubling up on the single
>quotes">
>How's this for a sexy trick. Instead of replacing single ticks (') with two
>('') so that SQL Server likes them, wrap the entire string in square
>brackets, like so: [Jeff O'Malley]
>
>Not only does that save processing time to do the search and replace, it
>also covers up other special characters that may be lurking in the string.
></tip>

What if someone puts a square bracket in the data itself?

---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

Blatant Plug: Cool Jazz for a hot summer,
     http://LisaMarie.Baratta.com




From cvos at netpaths.net  Fri Jun 22 12:17:02 2001
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:17:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] [OT] New Firmware & noncompliant memory
Message-ID: <3B337CB1.9F0CB65F@netpaths.net>

I just installed the firmware 4.1 update on my G4 and now it refuses to recognize my memory.  I've
heard of this before, but didn't think I had subpar memory.  The only options are to try to get
money back from the manufacturer or try to downgrade the firmware.  Anyone have expereince here?

 let this be a warning to those in search of cheap ram - Apple wont let you get away with it.

--


Cayley Vos, Principal

360.714.8395 office
360.223.7799 cell

http://NetPaths.net
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From chrisg at gsnet.com  Fri Jun 22 12:26:01 2001
From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:26:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
Message-ID: <B758DADD.3BE1%chrisg@gsnet.com>

We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3 and forwarding), but
have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...

Has anyone come up with some cool, simple analogy that explains it?

Thanks!

Chris.

--
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GSNet.com - A Trader.com Company
800.214.6051 x. 305 - North America
780.413.9655 x. 305 - International
chrisg at gsnet.com




From jonhall at ozline.net  Fri Jun 22 12:31:58 2001
From: jonhall at ozline.net (Jon Hall)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:31:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
References: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEEFCDAA.beau@pair.com> <005a01c0faf2$95dd45b0$0b01a8c0@meg> <002901c0fb2b$4a74ada0$7303020a@hg2p201>
Message-ID: <3B338038.4000906@ozline.net>

I dont know how other people do it, but I send the email with both the 
to a from fields the same. So if it bounces, it still gets there.


jon

>
>>She goes
>>to a secure server to enter her CC details, which are then sent in an
>>encrypted email (using aspEncrypt - we're a M$ shop) to the fulfilment
>>house/shop keeper.  Who can then do what they like with them.
>>
>>So my suggetion is go for 5a.
>>
>
>Interesting.
>
>What happens if their mail server is down and the email gets bounced? What
>happens if the house/shop keeper accidently deletes an email?
>
>I'm not being difficult. I'm curious if you have backup plans for these
>situations. The first question is the reason I've never gone this route
>(though the second question has just as much validity).
>
>Thanks,
>
>--
>mattwarden
>mattwarden.com
>
>
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From Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com  Fri Jun 22 12:32:10 2001
From: Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com (Ron_Senykoff/BEA at beaerospace.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:32:10 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
Message-ID: <OFD5B22B42.FB71BC9D-ON85256A73.005FCED6@beaerospace.com>

<snip>
We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3 and forwarding), but
have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...

Has anyone come up with some cool, simple analogy that explains it?
</snip>

How about explaining it to them as a 'role' at the company.
marketing at theirDomain.com is not a person, but a role that one or more
people may have.  Rather than listing the specific person on the website,
you list the role which anyone can be assigned to.

HTH,
-Ron




From morbus at disobey.com  Fri Jun 22 12:32:19 2001
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:32:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
In-Reply-To: <B758DADD.3BE1%chrisg@gsnet.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622132939.00a2c6d0@red.totalnetnh.net>

 >We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3 and forwarding), but
 >have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...
 >Has anyone come up with some cool, simple analogy that explains it?

Yup. PO Boxes versus street addresses.

    Alias is to email
      as
    PO Boxes is to street addresses.

I got a ton of metaphors - I work for a Podunkville ISP ;) ...



Morbus Iff
.sig on other machine.
http://www.disobey.com/
http://www.gamegrene.com/




From john_meyer at geocities.com  Fri Jun 22 12:32:28 2001
From: john_meyer at geocities.com (John Meyer)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:32:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
In-Reply-To: <B758DADD.3BE1%chrisg@gsnet.com>
References: <B758DADD.3BE1%chrisg@gsnet.com>
Message-ID: <01062211272406.03126@c604508-b>

On Friday 22 June 2001 11:22, you wrote:
> We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3 and forwarding), but
> have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...
>
> Has anyone come up with some cool, simple analogy that explains it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris.


Simple, it's like a PO Box  with no capacity or storage.  When somebody sends 
an e-mail to it, it automatically gets forwarded to the proper address.   
Also nicknames come to mind.  



From seyon at delime.com  Fri Jun 22 12:34:38 2001
From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:34:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
In-Reply-To: <B758DADD.3BE1%chrisg@gsnet.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010622132914.00a43b90@mail.uno.co.tt>

At 6/22/2001 11:22 AM, you wrote:
>We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3 and forwarding), but
>have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...
>
>Has anyone come up with some cool, simple analogy that explains it?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Chris.

A Post Office Box? Except the "post office" will automatically "deliver" 
any mail sent to the "PO Box" to the right owner(s).
-m




From Julia_Frizzell at brown.edu  Fri Jun 22 12:35:58 2001
From: Julia_Frizzell at brown.edu (Julia Frizzell)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:35:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] [OT] New Firmware & noncompliant memory
In-Reply-To: <3B337CB1.9F0CB65F@netpaths.net>
References: <3B337CB1.9F0CB65F@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <p0433010cb75931315b91@[128.148.108.209]>

At 10:13 AM -0700 6/22/01, Cayley Vos wrote:
>I just installed the firmware 4.1 update on my G4 and now it refuses 
>to recognize my memory.  I've
>heard of this before, but didn't think I had subpar memory.  The 
>only options are to try to get
>money back from the manufacturer or try to downgrade the firmware. 
>Anyone have expereince here?
>
>  let this be a warning to those in search of cheap ram - Apple wont 
>let you get away with it.

There's a whole issue here, and it's not necessarily cheap RAM, but 
RAM that is not up to the specs it's supposed to be.

http://www.macintouch.com/firmwareramprob.html

Most memory vendors are offering trade-ins, so you can get the right 
RAM. Find your invoice and email the place you got the RAM from.

We've had no problems with our upgrades.

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julia_frizzell at brown.edu                   http://www.theblackroad.org
glyneth at netspace.org                                      ICQ: 8458071
Barrayar             http://www.dendarii.demon.co.uk/FanFic/haiku.html
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So often, by tradition,                                       Nicholas
Wives shop to relax.                                             Rosen



From rthigpen at nc.rr.com  Fri Jun 22 12:38:00 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:38:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
References: <LAW2-F106tpfTYSl1q40000880d@hotmail.com> <06ef01c0fb36$891f27a0$13241b3f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <3B3381A4.7020803@nc.rr.com>

FWIW, I've been using Mozilla 0.9.1 for a couple of weeks now, and 
haven't had any problems with PDF.  It simply and transparently opens 
them in the browser window.  From what I've read at 
developer.netscape.com, NN6.1 is a branch off of Mozilla 0.9.1, so I'd 
be surprised if the behavior was different.  BTW, I'm on WinNT4sp6, 
using the Acrobat 5 reader.

--rt


sfmalo wrote:

> It won't open PDF files in the browser window. I ran into this months ago
> and, as I recall, questioned the list about it, but never got any responses.
> Have been patiently waiting to see if and when Netscape 6.x will fix this.





From chrisg at gsnet.com  Fri Jun 22 12:44:49 2001
From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:44:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622132939.00a2c6d0@red.totalnetnh.net>
Message-ID: <B758DF5A.3BED%chrisg@gsnet.com>

Heh,

Thanks, this was the one I thought of, but was looking for a more complete
metaphor - usually one has to go pick up the mail at the PO box.

But anyway.  This seems like the best one. Thanks!

P.S. - the client thought they'd have to dial up to Canada (!!) to get their
e-mail (we're in Edmonton)...  So we had to minimize the amount of
information we actually gave them. ;-)

"And then the sled dogs make the hand off at the border..."

---
cdg

on 6/22/2001 11:30 AM, Morbus Iff at morbus at disobey.com wrote:

>> We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3 and forwarding), but
>> have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...
>> Has anyone come up with some cool, simple analogy that explains it?
> 
> Yup. PO Boxes versus street addresses.
> 
>   Alias is to email
>     as
>   PO Boxes is to street addresses.
> 
> I got a ton of metaphors - I work for a Podunkville ISP ;) ...




From k.smith at tatnet.com  Fri Jun 22 12:46:36 2001
From: k.smith at tatnet.com (Kevin Smith)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:46:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
In-Reply-To: <B758DADD.3BE1%chrisg@gsnet.com>
Message-ID: <B758FBEC.5B60%k.smith@tatnet.com>

Chris George wrote:

> We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3 and forwarding), but
> have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...

Call forwarding.

--
kevin c smith
tatnet, inc.
e: k.smith at tatnet.com
t: 410.571.9462
f: 410.571.9442




From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Fri Jun 22 12:53:16 2001
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 12:53:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] [OT] New Firmware & noncompliant memory
Message-ID: <OFDCFABD8D.E3A78956-ON86256A73.0061B550@na.jci.com>

Go check macintouch (http://www.macintouch.com). There was something there
a while back about an address to contact to get a program which can fix
"false positives."

The actual cause is that the firmware disables not only memory which it
knows is subpar, but also any memory which it doesn't know is up to par. If
yours falls in the grey area, this program can help you.

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
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In God we trust; all others must provide data.
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Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.
If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.




From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Fri Jun 22 13:09:56 2001
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:09:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] [OT] New Firmware & noncompliant memory
Message-ID: <OFDFAE9378.C2D788A4-ON86256A73.0062CCE2@na.jci.com>

OK, so a little break came up faster than I expected. ;{>}

http://www.mactcp.org.nz/ is where you want to hie yourself off to. The
site (pacem on the non-existent design of it, please) belongs to one Glenn
Andersen, a Mac programmer of legend. I dealt with him a little over this
POP server he was writing for the Mac called MailShare. (It's now know as
Eudora Internet Mail Server) He knows his beans and is reliable; I'll vouch
for him.

Anyway, on his server you'll find DIMMFirstAid, which can help you diagnose
your DIMM problem, if you have one, and possibly get you back on the air
without an exchange of DIMMs.

I could go into a technical discussion of it (it's a latency thang) but
it'd probably just glaze your eyes over. Suffice it to say Glenn's program
doesn't enable bad DIMMS, it just re-enables DIMMs Apple's firmware locked
out because it didn't know if they were good. The firmware checks, and if
the response it gets from the DIMM doesn't fit, it locks them out. There
are two reasons the response won't be right, and only one means an
incompatible DIMM.

Hope it helps.

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
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----------------------------------------------
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From jedimaster at macromedia.com  Fri Jun 22 13:17:06 2001
From: jedimaster at macromedia.com (Raymond Camden)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:17:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion Studio 5 Beta 1
In-Reply-To: <3B335BA5.83C61818@sdsumus.sdstate.edu>
Message-ID: <HAENKEFLHMLPLLFPNMEIIEFCJBAA.jedimaster@macromedia.com>

Official word is that we know about it and it will be addressed very soon
now. I know that's not a great answer, but it's all I can do at the moment.

On the other hand, I can say that Studio 5 so far is _very_ stable.

=======================================================================
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email   : jedimaster at macromedia.com
ICQ UIN : 3679482

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Minh Lee Goon
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: evolt
> Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion Studio 5 Beta 1
>
>
> Let's put the power of evolt to the test again.
>
> I received an email from the Allaire/Macromedia Beta Program announcing
> that the new beta version of CF Studio. It's not there and there seems
> to be a few developers looking for it and posting threads on the message
> boards.
>




From mwarden at odyssey-design.com  Fri Jun 22 13:23:35 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:23:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
References: <3B3324FC.23706.A7CA91E@localhost> <001001c0fb2d$7a4339a0$7303020a@hg2p201> <048701c0fb3c$436e8560$4ee0a8c0@ebifr.com>
Message-ID: <00b001c0fb47$f71b5fb0$7303020a@hg2p201>

> From: "jvcwebdev" <jvcwebdev at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
>

> >> What versions of which browsers have XML (not just XHTML) support?
>
> >All of them.
> >
> >But, what I think you're really asking is which browsers support XSLT. I
> >believe that is IE5 and NN6.
>
> I believe that only IE5 and NN6 support XML.

No. XML is text. I'm 99.9% sure that all browsers support text.

> The two browsers deal with XML
> differently.  IE5 returns a tree structure and NN6 just gives a mass of
text
> unless you call a style sheet to format the XML.

Yes. IE5 has a default style for XML documents. But, this is just how IE5
presents XML documents and doesn't have anything to do with support for the
documents themselves.

> I think that so far XSLT is usually done server side.

This is true. But, it's true becuase there is a lack of browser support.
Like I said, only IE5 and NN6 support XSLT (though I don't know about the
level of support).



Thanks,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From anything at jaxn.org  Fri Jun 22 13:40:40 2001
From: anything at jaxn.org (Jackson Miller)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:40:40 2001
Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
In-Reply-To: <00b001c0fb47$f71b5fb0$7303020a@hg2p201>
Message-ID: <LPBBLDMPJNOCKDPAHEFFOEHNCIAA.anything@jaxn.org>

> >> What versions of which browsers have XML (not just XHTML) support?
>
I checked xml.com (thanks O'Reilly).  There is a browser support chart for
XML.  The link is:
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/05/03/browserchart/index.html


Hope this helps.


Jackson






From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk  Fri Jun 22 13:41:00 2001
From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:41:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
References: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEEFCDAA.beau@pair.com> <005a01c0faf2$95dd45b0$0b01a8c0@meg> <002901c0fb2b$4a74ada0$7303020a@hg2p201>
Message-ID: <003501c0fb4a$c1dece10$0b01a8c0@meg>

In our system the bounce will return to the address set by the website.  So
we can collect it.  The order details are retained in a database, if an
order is deleted the house/shop keeper will have to contact the client
directly to obtain their CC details again.

Norman.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Warden, Matt" <mwarden at odyssey-design.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce


> > From: "Norman Beresford" <n.beresford at anansi.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] Inexpensive E-Commerce
> >
>
> ...
> > She goes
> > to a secure server to enter her CC details, which are then sent in an
> > encrypted email (using aspEncrypt - we're a M$ shop) to the fulfilment
> > house/shop keeper.  Who can then do what they like with them.
> >
> > So my suggetion is go for 5a.
>
> Interesting.
>
> What happens if their mail server is down and the email gets bounced? What
> happens if the house/shop keeper accidently deletes an email?
>
> I'm not being difficult. I'm curious if you have backup plans for these
> situations. The first question is the reason I've never gone this route
> (though the second question has just as much validity).
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> mattwarden
> mattwarden.com
>
>
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From GregHolmes at aol.com  Fri Jun 22 13:42:05 2001
From: GregHolmes at aol.com (GregHolmes at aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:42:05 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
Message-ID: <7b.168de688.2864eaa6@aol.com>

"sfmalo" <sfmalo at email.msn.com> wrote:

> It won't open PDF files in the browser window. I ran into this months ago
> and, as I recall, questioned the list about it, but never got any responses.
> Have been patiently waiting to see if and when Netscape 6.x will fix this.

NS6 will display PDFs in the browser window, if the Acrobat Reader plugin is installed and the file associations are setup correctly.

Try reinstalling Reader.  That should do it.

Greg Holmes
gregholmes at aol.com



From martin at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 13:45:02 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:45:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] I just learned that members can customize their CSS view of evolt .org
Message-ID: <026a54443181661PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk>

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Ornstein, Ian wrote on 22/6/01 4:55 pm

>Why is it I just learned it now after about 9 months of reading this list?
>Is this one of the currently disabled features?
>Can I make more than one style sheet?

Ian

The HTML has support for user-defined stylesheets. Unfortunately,
what's not there yet is a way to store your preferences against
your login.

But it's not been forgotten...

>The reason I want to change my view, not complaining, is that
>it is too dark for my eyes. I prefer more contrast of
>dark text on lighter backgrounds.

Yep. I hear you. Here's a couple I played about with the other day:
http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/style.shtml?accessible
http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/style.shtml?hiddendragon
http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/style.shtml?latte

Cheers
Martin

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From cvos at netpaths.net  Fri Jun 22 13:47:51 2001
From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:47:51 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: [OT] New Firmware & noncompliant memory
References: <20010622181805.B7188D1C@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3B339201.F48B6F53@netpaths.net>

hey, this nifty thing works - memory is recognized!  kudos to Glenn the macman and Arlen for sharing
this wonderful resource!


http://www.mactcp.org.nz/

--


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360.714.8395 office
360.223.7799 cell

http://NetPaths.net
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From sgd at ti3.com  Fri Jun 22 13:51:46 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:51:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172493104@gate.ti3.com>

pointer
pseudonym
translation
alternate
(you couldn't just bust out the dictionary definition of 'alias'?)

sgd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris George [mailto:chrisg at gsnet.com]
> 
> We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3 and 
> forwarding), but
> have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...
> 



From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Fri Jun 22 13:58:31 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 13:58:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion Studio 5 Beta 1
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9BE3@arnold.bedrock.com>

<snip>
| On the other hand, I can say that Studio 5 so far is _very_ stable.
</snip>

Don't tease the animals!

<sound frequency1="800Hz" frequency2="440Hz" wave1="sine" wave2="sine"
function="alternate" funcperiod="0.5sec" volume="xx-loud"></sound>

You, sir! Yes you! That's an off-topic post!


<sigh/>
Oops... 

<tip type="Debugging XML Applications">
When debugging your output encoded in XML from a dynamic page (like and asp,
jsp or cfm page), if it has a stylesheet or an XSLT sheet attached to it and
you are trying to view the output with a browser like IE >5.x, Opera 5.x or
Netscape's 6.x, you are bound not to see the XML content, rather the
rendered transformation. Try either using a version 3 or 4 browser or change
the mime type on the response to "text/plain".
</tip>

<rory disposition="thankful it's Friday" alt="8)"/>



From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Fri Jun 22 14:03:01 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 14:03:01 2001
Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9BE4@arnold.bedrock.com>

| No. XML is text. I'm 99.9% sure that all browsers support text.
+1


| This is true. But, it's true because there is a lack of 
| browser support.
| Like I said, only IE5 and NN6 support XSLT (though I don't 
| know about the
| level of support).

MS claims that the version 3.0 of their MSXML parser implements the full
spec for XSLT and XPath.

See:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/default.asp?URL=/downloads/sample.asp?ur
l=/msdn-files/027/001/591/msdncompositedoc.xml

But, looking at the list of bug fixes for SP1, I wonder what that means...

Now see: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q292/9/35.ASP

<laugh>It even says: NOTE: This is not a complete list of all bugs that are
fixed in SP1.</laugh>

Of course, now I have to go warm up that left-over piece of humble pie and
get to debugging my _own_ apps. Mmmm...

<r alt="8)"/>



From chrisg at gsnet.com  Fri Jun 22 14:11:16 2001
From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri Jun 22 14:11:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172493104@gate.ti3.com>
Message-ID: <B758F3A2.3C03%chrisg@gsnet.com>

Hey.  Thanks everyone for their responses. We're prolly going to test out
call forwarding and PO Box.

And no, cracking out the dictionary doesn't really help out for the entire
process (which is a large part of the incomprehension).  An alternate what?
A pointer? Why?  What?  A pseudonym? Nome de plume?  Pen name, even?

It may as well be Greek.  They really do need something practical that
they've more than likely experienced that we can draw the analogy to.

Thanks though!

---
cdg

on 6/22/2001 12:48 PM, Scott Dexter at sgd at ti3.com wrote:

> pointer
> pseudonym
> translation
> alternate
> (you couldn't just bust out the dictionary definition of 'alias'?)
> 
> sgd




From sgd at ti3.com  Fri Jun 22 14:17:26 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Fri Jun 22 14:17:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172493107@gate.ti3.com>

in the great sweepstakes that is email, an alias is an additional entry. You
can, depending on the structure of your ISP, have up to X number of entries
before you have to pay for more.

something like that?
sgd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris George [mailto:chrisg at gsnet.com]
> 
> It may as well be Greek.  They really do need something practical that
> they've more than likely experienced that we can draw the analogy to.
> 



From vai at wolltd.com  Fri Jun 22 14:22:46 2001
From: vai at wolltd.com (Matthew McLeod)
Date: Fri Jun 22 14:22:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML Email
In-Reply-To: <20010621172907.2D738BBC@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <000101c0faf0$84cf7f60$0c1414ac@wealth>

Hi - new evolt member here - just to say re: the HTML email saga - the
solution is simple - I think it was mentioned in a past post, not an entire
solution tho...

Most ppl don't like sitting thru a d/l of an email thats ~20k (text msg +
html msg) to only get 1k worth of text - some ppl out there are still on
limited bandwidth :)

The most elegant solution that I found did involve an image tag - however
not to a literal image. I'm an asp coder - there are teqniques for vbscript
(I'm not to sure about other scripting languages) that enable a page to
masquerade as an image..

The trick simply involves code like the following in the email (typically a
user signup response/password email) -

<img
src='http://yourdomain.com/somedir/emailver.asp?confirmationcode=65784323854
0 alt='Your email address has been verified!'>

This piece of code access a page which reads the querystring - takes the
confirmation value and checks your DB for that confirmation code - activates
the account and registers the fact that they recieve html email. This means
the client/borwser doesn't need to come back to the site and enter auth
codes or anything. Of course in the plain text of the msg you include a link
that will take them to a page(one that doesn't masquerade as an img!) which
will perform the same functionality.

http://vai.aaarf.com/evolt/emailconf.txt <--- for some vbscript code to
masquerade as an img
http://vai.aaarf.com/evolt/evaluate.func <--- for some decent vbs email
validation & tons of other functions.





From chrisg at gsnet.com  Fri Jun 22 14:47:36 2001
From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri Jun 22 14:47:36 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172493107@gate.ti3.com>
Message-ID: <B758FC22.3C0B%chrisg@gsnet.com>

LOL

Yeah, something like that.

"And the more spam you collect from those aliases, the closer you are to
winning"

Or whatever.

OMG, this calls for a tip, but I'm dry.

---
cdg

on 6/22/2001 1:13 PM, Scott Dexter at sgd at ti3.com wrote:

> in the great sweepstakes that is email, an alias is an additional entry. You
> can, depending on the structure of your ISP, have up to X number of entries
> before you have to pay for more.
> 
> something like that?
> sgd




From Cybernuns at aol.com  Fri Jun 22 15:14:17 2001
From: Cybernuns at aol.com (Cybernuns at aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:14:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Off Subject: Help with Postcrad Direct cgi script
Message-ID: <99.16a478cb.2865003d@aol.com>

OFF SUBJECT from New Member: 
Sorry to change the subject but I'm a professional artist who just created an 
eCommerce site (www.cybernuns.com)for my Limited Edition prints about robots, 
brains etc.  I created the site using Fireworks/Dreamweaver.  Downloaded 
Postcard Direct cgi script so I can mount a Free eCard section but cannot 
understand how to get started.  If anyone is familiar with this, I sure would 
be grateful to get a response.  
Now I know I'm supposed to send a tip in exchange for asking for help so here 
goes. 
<tip>You don't have to use alt tags literally.  You can use them 
biographically. </tip> 

---Sandra



From roselli at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 22 15:24:17 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:24:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] I just learned that members can customize their CSS view of evolt .org
In-Reply-To: <026a54443181661PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200106222024.f5MKOCl14202@leo.evolt.org>

> From: Martin <martin at members.evolt.org>
[...] 
> >The reason I want to change my view, not complaining, is that
> >it is too dark for my eyes. I prefer more contrast of
> >dark text on lighter backgrounds.
> 
> Yep. I hear you. Here's a couple I played about with the other day:
> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/style.shtml?accessible
> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/style.shtml?hiddendragon
> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/style.shtml?latte

i'm guessing y'all wouldn't like my stealth style then... looks great 
on my home machine when i'm late-night surfing:

http://roselli.org/new_evolt/layout/styles/home.asp?CSS=stealth




From bryce at popped.com  Fri Jun 22 15:29:52 2001
From: bryce at popped.com (Bryce Johnson)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:29:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Practices: -- What tools are best for Technical Document Creation
References: <99.16a478cb.2865003d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001401c0fb59$a4421830$b600000a@navantis.com>

Hey everyone

I've been asked to look into purchasing tools to help us assemble technical
documents.
Right now we write the content in Word, Charts in Excel, Drawings in
Illustrator or Visio and then when they need to be assembled into the final
document we make PDFs of everything and then assemble a document in Acrobat
Exchange.

The nice thing about this is that we don't have to worry to much about
whether our Illustrator artwork will import properly into word or other file
format issues, and different pages sizes and orientations are not a problem.
The bad thing is that when the last minute changes come we are trying to
edit text in Acrobat and that is not pretty.

So I need to setup a process and a toolset for assembling technical
documents.  At first I thought about Pagemaker because I already know how to
use it and I've heard can handle Office 2K. Some of the more experienced
document makers are telling me to go with Framemaker.

I would appreciate any insight into these tools or any other ones.

thanks
bryce






From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Fri Jun 22 15:30:42 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:30:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] I just learned that members can customize their CSS
	 view of evolt .org
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D0200851533A07@ns.magisnetworks.com>

with my sensitivity to light, that would be perfect!

so, um, the original post referred to customizing the user's view of evolt.
how, praytell, does one do that? your link, like martin's, isn't the evolt
site. is it a copy? a mirror? an illusion? is it too late on friday?

thanks

joel at spinhead.co

-----Original Message-----
From: aardvark [mailto:roselli at earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:21 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] I just learned that members can customize their
CSS view of evolt .org

i'm guessing y'all wouldn't like my stealth style then... looks great 
on my home machine when i'm late-night surfing:

http://roselli.org/new_evolt/layout/styles/home.asp?CSS=stealth



From fowlerpeople at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 15:35:58 2001
From: fowlerpeople at yahoo.com (Terry Fowler)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:35:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Practices: -- What tools are best for Technical Document Creation
In-Reply-To: <001401c0fb59$a4421830$b600000a@navantis.com>
Message-ID: <20010622203223.33250.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Bryce Johnson <bryce at popped.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been asked to look into purchasing tools to
> help us assemble technical documents.

[snip]

> I would appreciate any insight into these tools or
> any other ones.
> 
> thanks

Well, if Interleaf comes up, talk to me first.

Terry Fowler

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From chrisg at gsnet.com  Fri Jun 22 15:36:02 2001
From: chrisg at gsnet.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:36:02 2001
Subject: [thelist] Practices: -- What tools are best for Technical
	Document Creation
In-Reply-To: <001401c0fb59$a4421830$b600000a@navantis.com>
Message-ID: <B7590775.3C1B%chrisg@gsnet.com>

Hi Bryce,

We use Docbook for all our technical documents:

http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/

But it sounds like the solution you need might require something a bit
different... I've heard Adobe Framemaker does a great job.

---
cdg

on 6/22/2001 2:26 PM, Bryce Johnson at bryce at popped.com wrote:

[snip]
> I need to setup a process and a toolset for assembling technical
> documents.  At first I thought about Pagemaker because I already know how to
> use it and I've heard can handle Office 2K. Some of the more experienced
> document makers are telling me to go with Framemaker.
> 
> I would appreciate any insight into these tools or any other ones.
> 
> thanks
> bryce




From annie at twitch.ca  Fri Jun 22 15:38:52 2001
From: annie at twitch.ca (Annie)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:38:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] Flash Javascript Loop Problem
In-Reply-To: <v02140b11b75843e1ec83@[10.112.1.69]>
Message-ID: <AEEMKOOEFCFNBBJALEONGENCCAAA.annie@twitch.ca>

A client wants me to use the following script to embed all of their flash
into their interface. problem is, using this all of the flash flicks loop. I
can't have them looping, any idea how i would stop this from looping using
the same script?
TIA!!

<script language="javascript">
<!--

if (vFlash)
{ 
var hasFlash='<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=4,0,2,0" width="315" height="187"><param name=movie value="images/0050d.swf"><param name=quality value=high><embed src="images/0050d.swf" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="315" height="187"></embed></object>'
document.writeln(hasFlash)      
}
     
else
{
document.writeln('<img src="images/0050d.gif" alt="0050c.gif">')
}
        
<!--end-->
</script>





From fortune_elkins at summithq.com  Fri Jun 22 15:39:32 2001
From: fortune_elkins at summithq.com (Fortune Elkins)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:39:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] Practices: -- What tools are best for Technical Doc
	ument Creation
Message-ID: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B6503@mailhost.summithq.com>

hiya!

in my former life i was a tech writer who made help systems. forgive me!
<Grin>

the answer to this question completely depends on what you want to send to
your users. if you want to continue sending PDFs, then pagemaker or
framemaker would be fine. i personally think framemaker is superior for
extremely large documents with many related sections. 

do you need to supply online or html help pages? in that case you might want
to consider tools like robohelp, doc-2-help, etc. that use word or
dreamweaver files to create microsoft help in both windows 95 and windows
html help formats. 

there are filters for framemaker, i believe, that allow you to export
documents so they can be compiled into the different flavors of windows
help. there is also software that allows you to take html pages and create
macintosh help as well.

personally, i think a database solution is always best. there are several of
these. i would rush over to the yahoo group HATT (help authoring tool
technology) and ask the expert tech writers what they would do with a
project like yours. give 'em all the gory details and see what they say.

hth,
f

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From krr at ix.netcom.com  Fri Jun 22 15:46:40 2001
From: krr at ix.netcom.com (Kevin)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:46:40 2001
Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Re:thelist digest, Vol1 #1433 - 29msgs
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> Hi all,
>
> Code you all do me a favour and check the following two urls and tell =
me
how
> badly they implode on your browsers?
>

I have to complement your coding. I have wanted to see something of this =
nature for some time now.
It's a little beyond my present skills.

Unfortunately it failed completely in NN4+ and only worked partially in =
NN 6.01.

NN 4 showed the faded out nav effect, and the nav links but none of the =
text.

And in NN 6.01 "Partially",  meaning that the column 3 effect produced =
one very long column about 100 pixels wide.


Kevin





From jay at trans-city.com  Fri Jun 22 15:48:32 2001
From: jay at trans-city.com (Jay Greenspan)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:48:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] Practices: -- What tools are best for Technical Document Creation
In-Reply-To: <001401c0fb59$a4421830$b600000a@navantis.com>
Message-ID: <200106222044.UAA20197816@smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net>

On Friday, June 22, 2001, at 04:26 PM, Bryce Johnson wrote:

> I would appreciate any insight into these tools or any other ones.


Before my Web days I was a pretty heavy Framemaker user. It's a pretty 
remarkable product for long technical documents, had some amazing 
features. It's got a pretty steep learning curve, and I wouldn't want to 
teach an entire office staff to use it. Aint cheap. But worth serious 
consideration.

If you wanted to get all crazy, you could start with Frame+SGML, add all 
that good semantic stuff to your resume.

-j



From sgd at ti3.com  Fri Jun 22 15:49:27 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Fri Jun 22 15:49:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Friday Freebie --IGNORE
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117249310C@gate.ti3.com>

BUSTED.

<insert trout slapping here, because I didn't test it myself>

[] are used in the context of column names. SQL Server complains if you use
them for data (as the example I used below). My pal Ted is looking into why
it works inside a stored procedure and not in a standalone insert. Stay
tuned....

sgd

> -----Original Message-----
> >I can't take credit for this one, it goes to another guy here at work
> >
> >brackets, like so: [Jeff O'Malley]



From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Fri Jun 22 16:00:17 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Fri Jun 22 16:00:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Chatbox using ASP?
Message-ID: <000901c0fb5e$3c4004e0$d72b5fc3@evelinev>

Hi all,

I am trying to make a chatbox for a site I am working on. I know most of the
online chatboxes are java applets. Because I am not into Java programming, I
promised my client to try to come up with something else, when they asked me
if it would be possible, I had some vague idea how I could pull this off in
ASP.

This was my way of thinking, for the elementary part of my script:

Create a frameset consisting out of two frames, one with a textarea element
in it where people can type in their comments, the second part, the
topframe, is a page created by a textstream object with the comment embedded
in it. This works to a certain extend but I was already aware of one major
problem, since the page created by the textstream object is part of the
frameset, it never gets loaded, so it never refreshes, so I thought of
putting a META refresh tag on the page, so it refreshes every 10 seconds. I
am pretty much sure, this isn't the best way to do this, and my first
question to you was how I could do this in a better way.

Up till just now, I encountered another problem and this already rules out
my previous question. Refreshing is never good because when the page
refreshes it always jumps back to the top of the page and that is something
that can't be anyway because when the text gets larger then my page size and
someone adds to the textstream object, it jumps back to the top of the page
and you can't even read what you have added without scrolling.

This thing lets me think, I already started out wrong by thinking, I could
create a chatbox this way. Because of that, my question to you is, is there
a way to create a chatbox without using Java? Or should I prepare my client
that he better forgets the idea?

The site is running on a NT Server and I use a mixture of VBScript and
JavaScript for client-side scripting and ASP for server-side scripting.

Any suggestions are very welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Eveline Vanhemel
webdeveloper




From sgd at ti3.com  Fri Jun 22 16:17:57 2001
From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter)
Date: Fri Jun 22 16:17:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] Friday Freebie --CLARIFIED
Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117249310D@gate.ti3.com>

SQL Server will let you use [] in the parameter list of a stored proc to
encapsulate character data instead of using single quotes (').

The first [ encountered is the delimiter, and subsequent [ are treated as
character data. The closing ] is escaped by using two: ]]. Since one would
now have to search and replace on ] instead of ', this doesn't buy us
anything and gets chalked up as just a different way of skinning the same
cat. (though it does get you obfuscation points)

Now you know more than you wanted =)
sgd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dexter [mailto:sgd at ti3.com]
> 
> [] are used in the context of column names. SQL Server 
> complains if you use



From mwarden at odyssey-design.com  Fri Jun 22 16:39:27 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri Jun 22 16:39:27 2001
Subject: [thelist] Chatbox using ASP?
References: <000901c0fb5e$3c4004e0$d72b5fc3@evelinev>
Message-ID: <019a01c0fb63$52c37850$7303020a@hg2p201>

> From: "Eveline Vanhemel" <eveline_vanhemel at pi.be>
> Subject: [thelist] Chatbox using ASP?
>
...
> I am trying to make a chatbox for a site I am working on. I know most of
the
> online chatboxes are java applets. Because I am not into Java programming,
I
> promised my client to try to come up with something else, when they asked
me
> if it would be possible, I had some vague idea how I could pull this off
in
> ASP.
...

I haven't actually done this, but it seems like you could have a hidden
frame that acts as a proxy and refreshes to get the new chat text. The main
frame would be a textarea and you'd do something like this (watch wrap):

var numberOfLines = 0;

function updateChatText()
{
    var currentChatText = document.chatform.chattextarea.value;
    if (numberOfLines < 20) {
        document.chatform.chattextarea.value =
parent.frames[0].getNewChatText() + "\n" + currentChatText;
    }
    else
    {
        // somehow wipe out the last line in currentChatText
        // and then do the same thing:
        document.chatform.chattextarea.value =
parent.frames[0].getNewChatText() + "\n" + currentChatText;
    }

    numberOfLines++;

    return;
}

The hidden frame would have something like this:


<html>
<head>
...
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
function initiateUpdate()
{
    parent.frames[1].updateChatText();
    return;
}

function getNewChatText()
{
    // make sure the vbcrlf's are converted to "\n", etc.
    return '<%Response.Write variableWithNewChatText%>';
}
...

<script>
</head>
<body onLoad="initiateUpdate();">
foo
</body>
</html>

Get the idea? Like I said, I've never actually tried this.


HTH,


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Fri Jun 22 17:17:43 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:17:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D0200851533A0C@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Any advanced NT sysadmins out there? I've got a user running a perl script
on a Win2K box. From the DOS prompt we can do this

dir \\server\share

and it works, but his script, running in the browser, gets denied
permission. The folder in question is read only to the everyone group, but
I'm under the impression the anonymous web browser account isn't really part
of the everyone group. Is that correct?

Joel D Canfield
Applications Manager
Magis Networks, Inc.
jcanfield at magisnetworks.com
858.523.2328 



From ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 22 17:24:58 2001
From: ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com (ahmad kt)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:24:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
Message-ID: <F217Mb1s7nlT2NqFJ3s0000ad4a@hotmail.com>


??????? ?? ?????

>From: "Canfield, Joel" <JCanfield at magisnetworks.com>
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>To: "Evolt (E-mail)" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:14:01 -0700
>
>Any advanced NT sysadmins out there? I've got a user running a perl script
>on a Win2K box. From the DOS prompt we can do this
>
>dir \\server\share
>
>and it works, but his script, running in the browser, gets denied
>permission. The folder in question is read only to the everyone group, but
>I'm under the impression the anonymous web browser account isn't really 
>part
>of the everyone group. Is that correct?
>
>Joel D Canfield
>Applications Manager
>Magis Networks, Inc.
>jcanfield at magisnetworks.com
>858.523.2328
>
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From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Fri Jun 22 17:27:03 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:27:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D0200851533A0D@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Was this readable to anyone else?

joel

-----Original Message-----
From: ahmad kt [mailto:ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:21 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone'
group?




??????? ?? ?????

>From: "Canfield, Joel" <JCanfield at magisnetworks.com>
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>To: "Evolt (E-mail)" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:14:01 -0700
>
>Any advanced NT sysadmins out there? I've got a user running a perl script
>on a Win2K box. From the DOS prompt we can do this
>
>dir \\server\share
>
>and it works, but his script, running in the browser, gets denied
>permission. The folder in question is read only to the everyone group, but
>I'm under the impression the anonymous web browser account isn't really 
>part
>of the everyone group. Is that correct?
>
>Joel D Canfield
>Applications Manager
>Magis Networks, Inc.
>jcanfield at magisnetworks.com
>858.523.2328
>



From alligotar at gmx.net  Fri Jun 22 17:28:43 2001
From: alligotar at gmx.net (Master Web)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:28:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] need good site recommendations
References: <OFCCD2ED35.68C16FC7-ON85256A72.006DE91B@beaerospace.com>
Message-ID: <3B33C5B8.54452D1B@gmx.net>

> I need to show a client some well-designed technology sites.  They don't
> want flashy stuff, just professional looking, fast-downloading types.

Good point. I myself am wondering what the essents of a good site are. The
mentioned URLs are something like a directory - but I think the question
was not *where* to find a good HP, but more what factors are affecting the
visitor think a site is great.

Jakob D?lling
^-- 
To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the
mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms
against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then?
;>

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From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Jun 22 17:35:33 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:35:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] Brain Addled Javascript....
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622152335.02c1c0e8@baratta.com>

I'm stumped. I'm trying to get a "nice to have" working with a Javascript 
I'm using.

Here's the anchor link:

[a href="javascript:PreSelectMajors(document.FormMajors);" 
onMouseOut="MM_swapImgRestore()" 
onMouseOver="MM_swapImage('premajo','','images/btn_majo_sync1.gif',1)"][img 
src="images/btn_majo_sync0.gif" width="90" height="28" align="left" 
hspace="10" alt="Pre-Select My Majors" name="premajo" border="0"][/a][span 
class="paraPopup">Click to pre-select all majors from your list[/span]

The Function PreSelectMajors works great. But since it's in the href, the 
cursor "hangs" in the hour glass shape while waiting for something to 
"return". It clears itself as soon as you move the mouse, but I want to 
return to normal automatically.

I checked the archives and saw the following format:

<a href="javascript:PreSelectMajors(document.FormMajors); return false;"...

Which I tried. I ended up breaking the script with an error:

invalid return.

PreSelectMajors(document.FormMajors); return false;
......................................^

I also tried to add the return false to the function and change the href to:

<a href="javascript:return PreSelectMajors(document.FormMajors);"...

I basically get the same error message:

invalid return.

return PreSelectMajors(document.FormMajors);
^

Any clues would be appreciated. Thanks.
---
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President
Keyboard Jockeys

Blatant Plug: Cool Jazz for a hot summer,
     http://LisaMarie.Baratta.com




From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Fri Jun 22 17:39:08 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:39:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034ACF80@arnold.bedrock.com>

Hrumm...

I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months ago
here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background changes
for comparison, etc., etc.

I can't believe it isn't in my bookmarks. (Well, at least I hardly believe
it --  really not finding it makes it pretty impossible to deny.)8

Searching the site returned a large number of links from early of this year,
but none from past April or so... maybe it isn't indexed yet.

So... does anyone have it and can graciously and with none too much heat
pass it along? Maybe putting it in a [tip] would benefit all.

<rory disposition="appreciative"/>



From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Jun 22 17:39:28 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:39:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone'
  group?
In-Reply-To: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D0200851533A0C@ns.magisnetworks.co
 m>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622153559.02c10998@baratta.com>

At 03:14 PM 6/22/2001, you wrote:
>Any advanced NT sysadmins out there? I've got a user running a perl script
>on a Win2K box. From the DOS prompt we can do this
>
>dir \\server\share
>
>and it works, but his script, running in the browser, gets denied
>permission. The folder in question is read only to the everyone group, but
>I'm under the impression the anonymous web browser account isn't really part
>of the everyone group. Is that correct?

Are you trying to connect to a share point on the same machine that is 
running the web service?
---
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President
Keyboard Jockeys

Blatant Plug: Cool Jazz for a hot summer,
     http://LisaMarie.Baratta.com




From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Fri Jun 22 17:41:58 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:41:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D0200851533A0E@ns.magisnetworks.com>

<tip>
Looking for color inspiration? http://www.visibone.com/colorlab/ is a useful
utility for creating your own color combinations onscreen in more or less
realtime.
</tip>

joel at spinhead

-----Original Message-----
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com [mailto:Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:38 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me


Hrumm...

I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months ago
here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background changes
for comparison, etc., etc.

I can't believe it isn't in my bookmarks. (Well, at least I hardly believe
it --  really not finding it makes it pretty impossible to deny.)8

Searching the site returned a large number of links from early of this year,
but none from past April or so... maybe it isn't indexed yet.

So... does anyone have it and can graciously and with none too much heat
pass it along? Maybe putting it in a [tip] would benefit all.

<rory disposition="appreciative"/>




From jcrawford at avencom.com  Fri Jun 22 17:42:48 2001
From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:42:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
References: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034ACF80@arnold.bedrock.com>
Message-ID: <3B33C8DE.7A0A781A@avencom.com>

Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com wrote:
> I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months ago
> here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background changes
> for comparison, etc., etc.
> 
> I can't believe it isn't in my bookmarks. (Well, at least I hardly believe
> it --  really not finding it makes it pretty impossible to deny.)8
> 
> Searching the site returned a large number of links from early of this year,
> but none from past April or so... maybe it isn't indexed yet.

Probably the Visibone online version:
	http://www.visibone.com/colorlab/
(I dig the visibone stuff).

If not that, maybe here:
	http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Graphics/Web_Graphics/Colors/

Best of luck!
	- Joe <http://artlung.com/>
-- 
...................  Joe Crawford \\ Web Design & Development
.....  mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com \\ http://www.avencom.com
.... San Diego \\ CA \\ USA \\ AVENCOM: Set Your Sites Higher



From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com  Fri Jun 22 17:43:03 2001
From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (Canfield, Joel)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:43:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
Message-ID: <07094CF930EBD311AF7900B0D0200851533A0F@ns.magisnetworks.com>

Nope. Another machine. 

Script in the 'scripts' folder on the web server is trying to take a
directory of a share on another machine. This latter shared machine is
readable to the 'everyone' group. 

joel

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baratta [mailto:Anthony at Baratta.com]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 3:36 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone'
group?


At 03:14 PM 6/22/2001, you wrote:
>Any advanced NT sysadmins out there? I've got a user running a perl script
>on a Win2K box. From the DOS prompt we can do this
>
>dir \\server\share
>
>and it works, but his script, running in the browser, gets denied
>permission. The folder in question is read only to the everyone group, but
>I'm under the impression the anonymous web browser account isn't really
part
>of the everyone group. Is that correct?

Are you trying to connect to a share point on the same machine that is 
running the web service?
---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

Blatant Plug: Cool Jazz for a hot summer,
     http://LisaMarie.Baratta.com




From jeff at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 17:49:53 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:49:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] Brain Addled Javascript....
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622152335.02c1c0e8@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELMEHIHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

anthony,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Anthony Baratta
:
: The Function PreSelectMajors works great. But
: since it's in the href, the cursor "hangs" in
: the hour glass shape while waiting for something
: to "return". It clears itself as soon as you move
: the mouse, but I want to return to normal
: automatically.
:
: I checked the archives and saw the following format:
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

you missed this one which explains the cause and solution:

http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-200106-3/158620.html

if this is going to be a visible link on the page that only provides
javascript-enabled functionality, may i suggest that you also set up the
link in such a way as to give non-js users an indication of why the link
isn't working for them.  you could accomplish this like so:

<a
 href="need_js.html"
 onClick="yourFunction(); return false"
><img></a>

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From beau at pair.com  Fri Jun 22 17:52:58 2001
From: beau at pair.com (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:52:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] Analog User Session Tracking
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKKEFJCDAA.beau@pair.com>

Hi,

Is it possible to have analog estimate the number of unique visitors that
have browsed your site? The analog docs basically say that user session
measurement is useless and inaccurate.

User sessions are estimated by grouping access from a unique IP address
within a 30 min time period. As I understand it, if you visit a site and
sit at one page for 31 mins, then access another page it counts as two user
sessions. If you sit there for three hours and keep on accessing the pages
at least every half hour, it counts as one user session.

I think that user session information might be useful (even if the data is
not perfect), at least more useful than "your site got 2165 requests for
pages and images and whatever else yesterday".

If there is no way to squeeze this information out of Analog, what's the
best alternative?

Thanks,

Beau




From sabrina.dent at appercept.co.uk  Fri Jun 22 17:53:18 2001
From: sabrina.dent at appercept.co.uk (Sabrina Dent, Apperception)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:53:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
Message-ID: <004e01c0fb6e$8df9b320$28e97bd5@sabrina>

> I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months
ago
> here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background changes
> for comparison, etc., etc.


I think this is what you meant:

http://www.colorschemer.com




From beau at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 17:59:08 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Fri Jun 22 17:59:08 2001
Subject: [thelist] Flash Javascript Loop Problem
In-Reply-To: <AEEMKOOEFCFNBBJALEONGENCCAAA.annie@twitch.ca>
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKAEFKCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>

Does the flash movie loop when it's not embedded in the JavaScript? If it
does, there's an option you can use when you export the movie that will
instruct it not to loop. If you think it's a JavaScript problem, we'd
probably have to see more code.

Cheers,

Beau

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Annie
Sent: June 22, 2001 1:32 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Flash Javascript Loop Problem


A client wants me to use the following script to embed all of their flash
into their interface. problem is, using this all of the flash flicks loop.
I
can't have them looping, any idea how i would stop this from looping using
the same script?
TIA!!

<script language="javascript">
<!--

if (vFlash)
{
var hasFlash='<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"
codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.c
ab#version=4,0,2,0" width="315" height="187"><param name=movie
value="images/0050d.swf"><param name=quality value=high><embed
src="images/0050d.swf" quality=high
pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod
_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="315"
height="187"></embed></object>'
document.writeln(hasFlash)
}

else
{
document.writeln('<img src="images/0050d.gif" alt="0050c.gif">')
}

<!--end-->
</script>



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From judah at wiredotter.com  Fri Jun 22 18:08:49 2001
From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley)
Date: Fri Jun 22 18:08:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
In-Reply-To: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034ACF80@arnold.bedrock.co
 m>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622160424.00aa1a48@mail2.alphashop.com>

At 03:38 PM 6/22/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Hrumm...
>
>I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months ago
>here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background changes
>for comparison, etc., etc.

I think you might be looking for: http://www.limitless.co.uk/colour/

It was posted (and created) by one of our own.  Unfortunately, I forget 
who, so I can't give credit.

Judah




From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Jun 22 18:08:53 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Jun 22 18:08:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] Brain Addled Javascript....
In-Reply-To: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELMEHIHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622152335.02c1c0e8@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622160025.02c1e970@baratta.com>

Thanks Jeff...

I should have tried the onClick solution, but was too frustrated.

I have a question about your answer in the archives:

[a href="JavaScript://"
  onClick="alert('Hi'); return false"]Click me![/a]

I'm confused by the part: ...href="JavaScript://"...

What is this??
---
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President
Keyboard Jockeys

Blatant Plug: Cool Jazz for a hot summer,
     http://LisaMarie.Baratta.com




From nicole at parrot.ca  Fri Jun 22 18:19:18 2001
From: nicole at parrot.ca (Nicole Parrot)
Date: Fri Jun 22 18:19:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] Chatbox using ASP?
References: <000901c0fb5e$3c4004e0$d72b5fc3@evelinev>
Message-ID: <0f6501c0fb71$971de950$1ecaca18@cleo>

I've done ASP chats in the past. It's quite possible that with the newest
technologies it's not as horrendous as it was back in 1999, but it *was*
horrible.

There's a good reason why chats are still done in java.

Any reason why the client (or yourself) doesn't want the java applet?

Nicole

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eveline Vanhemel" <eveline_vanhemel at pi.be>
> This thing lets me think, I already started out wrong by thinking, I could
> create a chatbox this way. Because of that, my question to you is, is
there
> a way to create a chatbox without using Java? Or should I prepare my
client
> that he better forgets the idea?





From jeff at members.evolt.org  Fri Jun 22 18:40:20 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Fri Jun 22 18:40:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] Brain Addled Javascript....
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622160025.02c1e970@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELGEHLHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>

anthony,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Anthony Baratta
:
: I should have tried the onClick solution, but
: was too frustrated.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

that's ok.  that happens.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: I have a question about your answer in the
: archives:
:
: [a href="JavaScript://"
:   onClick="alert('Hi'); return false"
: ]Click me![/a]
:
: I'm confused by the part:
: ...href="JavaScript://"...
:
: What is this??
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

let's break it down piece by piece.  you'll kick yourself afterwards, it's
so simple.  *grin*

the full href attribute value:

JavaScript://

JavaScript: = the js protocol

// = js comment

so basically i'm telling the browser to execute a javascript comment which
does absolutely nothing.  in my experience, this is the preferred method of
making a link that does nothing when clicked (with the exception of any
script in the onclick event handler).  non-js browsers don't do anything.
js-enabled browsers don't throw an error.  it's preferred over using the
void(0) method because that was introduced in js1.1 and therefore not
supported by js1.0 only browsers.  this is the same sort of thing, but
supported by all js-enabled browsers, produces the same effect in all
browser/os combinations, doesn't jump the page back to the top (like using
#), and doesn't require you to initialize any special dummy functions.

fwiw, i've also seen people use a semi-colon instead of the javascript
comment.  that also works, but is much harder to spot in your code.  see for
yourself, which one stands out more that it's not just the javascript
protocol in the href?

<a href="JavaScript://">

<a href="JavaScript:;">

good luck,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From Anthony at Baratta.com  Fri Jun 22 19:10:40 2001
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Fri Jun 22 19:10:40 2001
Subject: [thelist] Brain Addled Javascript....
In-Reply-To: <ANEOJKCILBBIJMGALNELGEHLHPAA.jeff@members.evolt.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622160025.02c1e970@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622165413.02b96200@baratta.com>

At 04:36 PM 6/22/2001, you wrote:

>let's break it down piece by piece.  you'll kick yourself afterwards, it's
>so simple.  *grin*

You're right. I'd kick myself but I tore my groin muscle playing softball 
over the weekend and that would be just too painful to attempt. ;-P

Since I have your attention (although you might be already out of the 
office) I'm dying on another script - but this time trying to get it 
working in IE (it works in Netscape fine.)

I stole some code from a script I used for form validation, which works 
fine in both browsers (it's currently in production use.)

Here part of the code I borrowed:

...

var requiredFields = new Array("FirstName","LastName",
"Password","Verify","Address1","EmailAddress","City",
"DaytimePhone","StateOrProvince","Country","PostalCode","Username");

var fieldNames = new Array("First Name","Last Name",
"Password","Verify Password","Street Address",
"Email Address","City","Day Time Phone","State",
"Country","Postal Code","User Name");

...

for(var fieldNum=0; fieldNum < (requiredFields.length); fieldNum++) {
  if ((input.elements[requiredFields[fieldNum]].value == "") ||
     (input.elements[requiredFields[fieldNum]].value == " ") ||
     (input.elements[requiredFields[fieldNum]].value == "NotSelected"))
  {
   fieldsNeeded += fieldNames[fieldNum] + "\n\t";
   fieldCheck = false;
  }
}

...etc...


This is what I transmografied it into:

var varDirection = true;
function PreSelectMajors(input) {
     var majorsIDs = new Array('201','208','501');
     var varCheck = true;

     if (varCheck) {
         for(var fieldNum=0; fieldNum < majorsIDs.length; fieldNum++) {
             input.elements[majorsIDs[fieldNum]].checked = varDirection;
         }
         if (varDirection) {
             varDirection = false;
         } else {
             varDirection = true;
         }
     }
}

Note: The majorsIDs array is created on the fly by ASP. Also if the array 
is "blank", the ASP script will set varCheck to false, so the function 
doesn't really do anything.

OK - This runs great with Netscape. IE throws an error on the line:

     input.elements[majorsIDs[fieldNum]].checked = varDirection;

It says:

         Error: 'elements[...]' is not an object.

What gives? I'd kick my machine out the window except my leg hurts too much.


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President
Keyboard Jockeys

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From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 22 19:32:30 2001
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Fri Jun 22 19:32:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
Message-ID: <LAW2-F80sNQptgFrYIL00000215@hotmail.com>



> > >> What versions of which browsers have XML (not just XHTML) support?
> >
> > >All of them.
> > >
> > >But, what I think you're really asking is which browsers support XSLT. 
>I >believe that is IE5 and NN6.
> >
> > I believe that only IE5 and NN6 support XML.
>
>No. XML is text. I'm 99.9% sure that all browsers support text.

Responding to the spirit of the question: only IE5 and NN6 support XML. Of 
course other browsers can download the file, but they can't do anything 
useful with the fact that it's XML. No nitpicking, please <g>.

> > I think that so far XSLT is usually done server side.
>
>This is true. But, it's true becuase there is a lack of browser support. 
>Like I said, only IE5 and NN6 support XSLT (though I don't know about the 
>level of support).

NN6 doesn't support XSL, only IE5 does (and badly, if you're interested, see 
my ancient report at http://www.netlinq.nl/interest/)

ppk

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From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Fri Jun 22 19:40:55 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 19:40:55 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034ACF84@arnold.bedrock.com>

Oh! Thank you Joe, Joel, Sabrina and Judah.

I ask for one link and get three.

Now, can anyone tell me why I am so happy to be subscribed to this list?

<rory alt="8)"/> 



From moe at maxim-ic.com  Fri Jun 22 19:50:35 2001
From: moe at maxim-ic.com (Moe Rubenzahl)
Date: Fri Jun 22 19:50:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] for the ICANN watchers among us
In-Reply-To: <3B3038AC.9CC17B49@pintsize.com>
References: <3B3038AC.9CC17B49@pintsize.com>
Message-ID: <p05100321b75994b1ac86@[63.72.45.105]>

>"If a significant number of Internet users were to simply
>point their machines to another root server, where would
>ICANN be?" Auerbach asked. "The only reason it has authority
>is because of inertia."

Corrected link for this article:

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44404,00.html

ICANN's power is troubling, especially given the quality and speed of 
its decisions. The article talks about some of this.

The notion of a rebel uprising is interesting. If I were 
independently wealthy, unseating ICANN and replacing it with a more 
sensible body would be an interesting cause. That or getting rid of 
those %@#!* "bugs" -- the little network logos on TV programs.



From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com  Fri Jun 22 19:51:20 2001
From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 19:51:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] I just learned that members can customize their CSS
	 view of evolt .org
Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA3920034ACF85@arnold.bedrock.com>

| with my sensitivity to light, that would be perfect!
| 
| so, um, the original post referred to customizing the user's 
| view of evolt.
| how, praytell, does one do that? your link, like martin's, 
| isn't the evolt
| site. is it a copy? a mirror? an illusion? is it too late on friday?
| 
| thanks
| 
| joel at spinhead.com

Wow!

I was just playing around (I am working my way to discover how to get my
members.evolt.org account activated without mailing anyone to ask -- I know,
I know, kinda unfortunate timing... ah well, I can wait) and clicked on the
update profile. This brings one to the URL:
http://www.evolt.org/user/index.html?action=edit where it appears to give
the ability to edit the CSS that controls the site's appearance. 

Without even trying to pressure the admired, astute and understandably
frustrated admin of evolt who, if you have been following, are mitigating
damages or vacationing at a local oasis of celebration after having done so,
I gently acknowledge that it doesn't quite work as expected, simply
returning one to the main page.

Therefore, YMMV.

<rory/>



From rossjohnston at wnw.quik.co.nz  Fri Jun 22 19:59:20 2001
From: rossjohnston at wnw.quik.co.nz (Ross Johnston)
Date: Fri Jun 22 19:59:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
References: <B758B9E6.3400%jamie.bakum@circle.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c0fb80$f7875100$036137d2@default>

... its not easy having something nice to say about HTML email
especially if you do so in a forthright manner.
People have their sensitivites badly affected and their intelligence
insulted ( sorry Aardvark)

Ive near spammed myself to death so I could report honestly and fairly
to The List on this topic and I have to say ( cover your ears or maybe its
time for a nice lie down ) that without a doubt HTML email, despite its
deserved reputation as a security nightmare and bandwith gobbler,
will become increasignly used .. and you better start swimming
or youl sink link a stone ..........
That is not a promotional message but a professional observation.

Besides raising many valid security and other problems.  .jeff said ....
"in the time i've been using the net, i've yet to run across an html email
of any sort that i preferred
over good, old plain-text.  it just doesn't exist"

In reply
With a HTML email you can navigate from the TOC to items of interest etc
Try doing that with text where you can often be left scrolling forever.
( I have an example )
Also, with the use of tables and CSS, information can better format
for readibility, ( hardly something new, the point being you don't have to 
download flashy graphics )
I think the trouble to date has been that HTML email has meant
a whopping big web page in your inbox, but I'm certain there will develop a
design style for HTML in email which will recognise that email is viewed
quiite differentl from a web page.
Recently Macromedia set the pace with a really savvy HTML
email so its not just for newbies as suggested by Aardvark.

Aardvark also said
"and just because Outlook has HTML as default (which, btw, it
doesn't, it's MS RTF) "
Thanks, hadnt realised that.

Aardvark again
"how?  people have said the same thing about every technology and
plug-in that's been trotted out since the web started... and i've
heard that comment about HTML mail for years, and somehow it
hasn't failed my business..."

Reply
My proposition that website needed to have an email strategy did
seem to embrace HTML email which was not my intention and I regret that.

And Jamie said

"We do a number of newsletters for clients - strictly opt-in - that go out
in
2 versions, html and plain text. Click-through rates for the html versions
are considerably higher, and the unsubscribe rates are lower -"

Darn ...stand by for the call from the Marketing Department..
 
" So html email *used appropriately* (as with anything on the web) can work
 well."

Couldnt agree more..

Ross Johnston

ross at eresponse.co.nz
http://www.eresponse.co.nz/






From john_meyer at geocities.com  Fri Jun 22 20:03:25 2001
From: john_meyer at geocities.com (John Meyer)
Date: Fri Jun 22 20:03:25 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
In-Reply-To: <B758F3A2.3C03%chrisg@gsnet.com>
References: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172493104@gate.ti3.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622185700.009f3640@pop.mail.yahoo.com>

At 01:07 PM 6/22/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Hey.  Thanks everyone for their responses. We're prolly going to test out
>call forwarding and PO Box.
>
>And no, cracking out the dictionary doesn't really help out for the entire
>process (which is a large part of the incomprehension).  An alternate what?
>A pointer? Why?  What?  A pseudonym? Nome de plume?  Pen name, even?
>
>It may as well be Greek.  They really do need something practical that
>they've more than likely experienced that we can draw the analogy to.
>

A pointer comes from programming, and it basically is a variable that 
"points" to another variable.  Just tell them that if somebody sends them 
an e-mail to their alias, it will end up within the same e-mail account.


John Meyer
john_meyer at geocities.com
Programmer


If we didn't have Microsoft, we'd have to blame ourselves for all of our 
programs crashing




From DDenis at inlumen.com  Fri Jun 22 22:40:16 2001
From: DDenis at inlumen.com (Denis, David)
Date: Fri Jun 22 22:40:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] XML (not just XHTML) support in browsers
Message-ID: <842FC5D4D50A43469D9CBDE159172491012569D5@nycexch.newsalert.com>

> >This is true. But, it's true becuase there is a lack of 
> browser support. 
> >Like I said, only IE5 and NN6 support XSLT (though I don't 
> know about the 
> >level of support).
> 
> NN6 doesn't support XSL, only IE5 does (and badly, if you're 
> interested, see 
> my ancient report at http://www.netlinq.nl/interest/)

NN 6.1 should though, it was turned on by default in the nightlies recently:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xslt/

Dave



From gb at inetwire.com  Fri Jun 22 22:56:06 2001
From: gb at inetwire.com (Gerd Baumann)
Date: Fri Jun 22 22:56:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
References: <20010622224257.2DBF8974@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3B3411A9.F6596BAD@inetwire.com>

> I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months ago
> here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background changes
> for comparison, etc., etc.

I found this one in my bookmarks - I believe it's the one you're looking for:
http://www.limitless.co.uk/colour/

Best,
Gerd




From arthur at arthurnoel.com  Sat Jun 23 00:14:52 2001
From: arthur at arthurnoel.com (Arthur Noel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 00:14:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
Message-ID: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHAEOOCKAA.arthur@arthurnoel.com>

Hello Everybody,

I'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -
good/bad/indifferent? I'd also be very interested to hear what it looks like
on a mac since I don't have access to one myself.

Many thanks,
Arthur




From rinaldi at ihwy.com  Sat Jun 23 00:28:56 2001
From: rinaldi at ihwy.com (Laura J. Rinaldi)
Date: Sat Jun 23 00:28:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
In-Reply-To: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHAEOOCKAA.arthur@arthurnoel.com>
References: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHAEOOCKAA.arthur@arthurnoel.com>
Message-ID: <p05010406b759e8b357f6@[207.20.86.108]>

At 6:14 AM +0100 6/23/01, Arthur Noel wrote:
>I'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -
>good/bad/indifferent? I'd also be very interested to hear what it looks like
>on a mac since I don't have access to one myself.

On IE5 on a Mac, the text runs over the photograph. Doesn't do so in 
Netscape 6 for the Mac, so assume that was not the look you were 
going for.

Laura

-- 
"When action grows unprofitable, gather information; when information 
grows unprofitable, sleep."
		---Ursula K. Le Guin "The Left Hand of Darkness" (1969)



From gozz at gozz.com  Sat Jun 23 01:52:42 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Sat Jun 23 01:52:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Flash Javascript Loop Problem
In-Reply-To: <AEEMKOOEFCFNBBJALEONGENCCAAA.annie@twitch.ca>
References: <AEEMKOOEFCFNBBJALEONGENCCAAA.annie@twitch.ca>
Message-ID: <p04310100b759ead09117@[192.168.1.100]>

Add <loop="false"> in the <object> pair and loop="false" as an 
attribute to <embed>

(you aren't specifying loop as a parameter and true is the default 
value for loop).

(or, you could put a stop() action in the last frame of the movies.)

>problem is, using this all of the flash flicks loop.
>
><object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" 
>codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=4,0,2,0" 
>width="315" height="187"><param name=movie 
>value="images/0050d.swf"><param name=quality value=high><embed 
>src="images/0050d.swf" quality=high 
>pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" 
>type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="315" 
>height="187"></embed></object>
-- 

- Erik Mattheis

Wants to see a flying saucer.

(612) 827 3963



From philippe.jadin at 123piano.com  Sat Jun 23 03:14:17 2001
From: philippe.jadin at 123piano.com (Philippe Jadin)
Date: Sat Jun 23 03:14:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] Chatbox using ASP?
References: <000901c0fb5e$3c4004e0$d72b5fc3@evelinev>
Message-ID: <000201c0fbbc$53600900$6088043e@r3g4p8>

> putting a META refresh tag on the page, so it refreshes every 10 seconds.
I
> am pretty much sure, this isn't the best way to do this, and my first
> question to you was how I could do this in a better way.

Not too sure if it works with any browsers, but it should : if you "stream"
your html (writing the buffer from asp each time there is a new posting -
have no idea how to do this in asp - possible in php), you won't need meta
refresh.

How to stream you ask?

It seems that as long as you don't close your page with something like
</body></html>, you can write to it, and the browser will wait until you
close the page (iow "never")

You canot use huge tables in the frame that must be "streamed", because
tables are only rendered when they are finished.

The idea came from the book "Web application developement with php" (Tobias
/ Ratschiller)

Good luck!

Philippe




From martin at members.evolt.org  Sat Jun 23 03:41:42 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Sat Jun 23 03:41:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] Practices: -- What tools are best for Technical Document Creation
Message-ID: <032312940081761PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk>

Terry Fowler wrote on 22/6/01 9:32 pm

>Well, if Interleaf comes up, talk to me first.

You've got experience of Interleaf? As a document
system? A web CMS?

Cheers
Martin

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  url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk                 Scotland




From martin at members.evolt.org  Sat Jun 23 03:41:58 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Sat Jun 23 03:41:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] I just learned that members can customize their CSS	 view of evolt .org
Message-ID: <031842940081761PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk>

Canfield, Joel wrote on 22/6/01 9:27 pm

>so, um, the original post referred to customizing the user's view of evolt.
>how, praytell, does one do that? your link, like martin's, isn't the evolt
>site. is it a copy? a mirror? an illusion? is it too late on friday?

Mine is a copy made at the end of May. There are 3 HTML files
(one copy of the home page, one of an article and the HTML styleguide
you've already seen) and a bunch of stylesheets. There a tiny bit
of SSI which kicks in a different stylesheet depending on the
query string in the URL.

Take a look at
members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/home.shtml?tangier
(note the date of the most recent article)
members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/style.shtml?tangier
members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/article.shtml?tangier

Note that the *only* difference between that article and the
version on the evolt site is the CSS link.

As a comparison:
members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/home.shtml?isaac
members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/style.shtml?isaac
members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/article.shtml?isaac

which is the normal stylesheet.

Cheers
Martin

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  tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985                      Edinburgh,
  url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk                 Scotland




From martin at members.evolt.org  Sat Jun 23 05:02:43 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Sat Jun 23 05:02:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] Analog User Session Tracking
Message-ID: <099212701101761PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk>

Beau Hartshorne wrote on 22/6/01 11:49 pm

>Is it possible to have analog estimate the number of unique visitors that
>have browsed your site? The analog docs basically say that user session
>measurement is useless and inaccurate.
>
>User sessions are estimated by grouping access from a unique IP address
>within a 30 min time period. 

Hi Beau

The problem with basing sessions on unique remote IPs is one of proxy
servers.

3 examples

1) At home here, I've got 2 desktop machines (one win, one
    Mac) permanently connected, plus laptops from time to time.
    They're all running through a wee Linksys NAT router. Although
    internal to my network, they have unique 192.168.1.* IPs, you'll only
    see the external IP which they all share (62.31.64..* - DHCP from
    my cable modem provider). So both I and my wife could be visiting your
    site, and have 2 sessions, you'd only see one if you're simply IP 
tracking.

2) The company I work for has about 100k staff scattered across the world.
    While we don't use a single external IP to proxy through, there is a 
huge
    user:external IP ratio.

3) AOL's DHCP setup hands out a new IP for every request - note that 
that's
    not every page, that's every asset requested. HTML, CSS, images, JS 
etc etc.

What many App servers (SiteServer, CF, Broadvision, ATG etc) do is to use
session cookies to track both unique visitors, and visitor paths through 
the
site. Note that analysing visitor paths is a nightmare to do if you want 
any
kind of useful information at the end of it, but it's a nice concept.

Cheers
Martin 

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  tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985                      Edinburgh,
  url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk                 Scotland




From martin at members.evolt.org  Sat Jun 23 05:18:17 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Sat Jun 23 05:18:17 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
Message-ID: <092c30417101761PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk>

Judah McAuley wrote on 23/6/01 12:05 am

>I think you might be looking for: http://www.limitless.co.uk/colour/
>
>It was posted (and created) by one of our own.  Unfortunately, I forget 
>who, so I can't give credit.

Ah, that would be Paola.

I used it extensively when I put together the evolt themes I've been
talking about lately.

Cheers
Martin

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  url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk                 Scotland




From martin at members.evolt.org  Sat Jun 23 05:18:22 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Sat Jun 23 05:18:22 2001
Subject: [thelist] HTML in email
Message-ID: <091990417101761PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk>

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Ross Johnston wrote on 23/6/01 2:07 am

>" So html email *used appropriately* (as with anything on the web) can work
> well."
>
>Couldnt agree more..

And a large part of the 'appropriately' qualifier is 'when the user has
chosen
to receive it'.

A good place to start with this is Seth Godin's Permission Marketing:
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684856360/martin043>

Cheers
Martin

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From skaiser at skdesigns.com  Sat Jun 23 05:36:52 2001
From: skaiser at skdesigns.com (Shirley Kaiser, SKDesigns)
Date: Sat Jun 23 05:36:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
In-Reply-To: <092c30417101761PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010623032601.027b7810@pop3.midtown.net>

At 03:14 AM 06/23/2001, you wrote:
>Judah McAuley wrote on 23/6/01 12:05 am
>
> >I think you might be looking for: http://www.limitless.co.uk/colour/
> >
> >It was posted (and created) by one of our own.  Unfortunately, I forget
> >who, so I can't give credit.
>
>Ah, that would be Paola.
>
>I used it extensively when I put together the evolt themes I've been
>talking about lately.

I can see why! Wow! What a resource.

I have a bunch of color charts at WebsiteTips.com 
<http://www.websitetips.com/color/> and some excellent color information 
listed, but I didn't know this one even existed. What a find. I'll be 
adding it to the resources at WebsiteTips.com's color page over the weekend.

What wonderfully creative people....

>Cheers
>Martin

Warmly,
Shirley

-- 
Shirley E. Kaiser, M.A.
SKDesigns  mailto:skaiser at skdesigns.com
Website Development  http://www.skdesigns.com/
Pianist, Composer  http://www.shirleykaiser.com/
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From navin_dhanuka at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 23 05:56:32 2001
From: navin_dhanuka at yahoo.com (Navin Dhanuka)
Date: Sat Jun 23 05:56:32 2001
Subject: [thelist] How to decrease the height of the form table
In-Reply-To: <20010622224300.26BC3ABF@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <LFELIIPJGPCJIKJMBKPPOEIECCAA.navin_dhanuka@yahoo.com>

Hi,

How do I decrease the height of the form table.?
Thanks in advance?
Navin Dhanuka.


<HTML>
<HEAD><TITLE>:: Welcome to Vapson Industries ::</TITLE></HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" MARGINWIDTH="0" MARGINHEIGHT="0" TOPMARGIN="0"
LEFTMARGIN="0" RIGHTMARGIN="0" BOTTOMMARGIN="0">

<TABLE BORDER="1" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" BGCOLOR="#9CB6D6">

<TR>

<TD WIDTH="500" HEIGHT="10">

<FORM NAME="cascade" ACTION="#variables.url_unsecure#/index.cfm">Product
Categories:
<SELECT NAME="selList1" SIZE="1" onchange="fillSel(this)"
CLASS="mold_nav_dd">
<OPTION VALUE="selList27">Vulcanising</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="selList28">Wax Injectors</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="selList29">Wax Injection</OPTION>
</SELECT>
</FORM>
</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>
</BODY>
</HTML>


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From jjsolari at pobox.com  Sat Jun 23 06:08:48 2001
From: jjsolari at pobox.com (J.J.SOLARI)
Date: Sat Jun 23 06:08:48 2001
Subject: [thelist] A kinda dumb look for thelist from me
Message-ID: <20010623130521-r01010600-2ffea52b@10.0.1.52>

On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:38:28 -0700, Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com wrote:

>I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of
months ago
>here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background
changes
>for comparison, etc., etc.

Rory,

could it be Paola's set of Colour Selectors at:
<http://www.limitless.co.uk/colour/>

hih,

JJS.
-- 
personal site <http://www.yoyodesign.org/>
public key id: 9eb99ddb <http://www.keyserver.net/>



From Cybernuns at aol.com  Sat Jun 23 06:09:57 2001
From: Cybernuns at aol.com (Cybernuns at aol.com)
Date: Sat Jun 23 06:09:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
Message-ID: <fd.8250b8a.2865d234@aol.com>

'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -
__________________________________
Arthur...
Very clean, effective site.  Lovely work.  Quick loading and all looks swell 
in AOL & Internet Explorer (Windows). Just one comment.  Home page 
photo...can't make out what it is...perhaps a small title underneath?  Now 
can you do me a favor and look at my site? www.cybernuns.com  
I'm removing the .wav files from the Back icon because they don't seem to 
work consistently in all Browsers.  Much success to you...
Sandra



From info at artifishal.com  Sat Jun 23 07:03:49 2001
From: info at artifishal.com (jacques tarnero)
Date: Sat Jun 23 07:03:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
In-Reply-To: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHAEOOCKAA.arthur@arthurnoel.com>
Message-ID: <B75AA53F.8B5%info@artifishal.com>

Hi,

I just took a look at the site on my mac.

IE5: 
On the 1st page
The penguin is not where I guess it's intended to be. It has slid under the
words making these very difficult to read. The other pages were fine, it
seems.

Opera 5:
looks fine

Netscape Communicator:
Not at all what you are trying to get, I guess.

If you want me to send you small photos of what the site looks like on these
browsers, mail me.

If you have a minute could you do the same for me on your PC, please. It's
my first site.

Jacques

--

jacques at artifishal.com
http://www.artifishal.com


Arthur Noel23/6/01 13:14arthur at arthurnoel.com

> Hello Everybody,
> 
> I'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -
> good/bad/indifferent? I'd also be very interested to hear what it looks like
> on a mac since I don't have access to one myself.
> 
> Many thanks,
> Arthur
> 
> 
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From siim_e at pshg.edu.ee  Sat Jun 23 07:15:38 2001
From: siim_e at pshg.edu.ee (Siim Einfeldt aka Itpunk)
Date: Sat Jun 23 07:15:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
In-Reply-To: <B75AA53F.8B5%info@artifishal.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0106231410280.20700-100000@pshg.edu.ee>

Hi,

  Some Mac users have said that the site I`m currently working on doesnt
work on Mac IE5, they say the links doesn`t work and neither the texts get
displayed. Any ideas why it migth be so? The url is
http://www.hitmixuk.com

Thanks
Siim EInfeldt


> Hi,
>
> I just took a look at the site on my mac.
>
> IE5:
> On the 1st page
> The penguin is not where I guess it's intended to be. It has slid under the
> words making these very difficult to read. The other pages were fine, it
> seems.
>
> Opera 5:
> looks fine
>
> Netscape Communicator:
> Not at all what you are trying to get, I guess.
>
> If you want me to send you small photos of what the site looks like on these
> browsers, mail me.
>
> If you have a minute could you do the same for me on your PC, please. It's
> my first site.
>
> Jacques
>
> --
>
> jacques at artifishal.com
> http://www.artifishal.com
>
>
> Arthur Noel23/6/01 13:14arthur at arthurnoel.com
>
> > Hello Everybody,
> >
> > I'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -
> > good/bad/indifferent? I'd also be very interested to hear what it looks like
> > on a mac since I don't have access to one myself.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Arthur
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including
> > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
> > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
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>




From ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 23 07:16:28 2001
From: ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com (ahmad kt)
Date: Sat Jun 23 07:16:28 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
Message-ID: <F181uutSgcOrBLSAQV600000751@hotmail.com>



>From: "ahmad kt" <ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
>Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:21:25 +0300
>
>
>
>??????? ?? ?????
>
>>From: "Canfield, Joel" <JCanfield at magisnetworks.com>
>>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>>To: "Evolt (E-mail)" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>>Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
>>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:14:01 -0700
>>
>>Any advanced NT sysadmins out there? I've got a user running a perl script
>>on a Win2K box. From the DOS prompt we can do this
>>
>>dir \\server\share
>>
>>and it works, but his script, running in the browser, gets denied
>>permission. The folder in question is read only to the everyone group, but
>>I'm under the impression the anonymous web browser account isn't really
>>part
>>of the everyone group. Is that correct?
>>
>>Joel D Canfield
>>Applications Manager
>>Magis Networks, Inc.
>>jcanfield at magisnetworks.com
>>858.523.2328
>>
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>
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From ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 23 07:20:13 2001
From: ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com (ahmad kt)
Date: Sat Jun 23 07:20:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
Message-ID: <F65tr5XsCj1d4vJFRFW000131a8@hotmail.com>

??????? ?? ?????
??????? ?? ?????
??????? ?? ?????
??????? ?? ?????
>From: "ahmad kt" <ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
>Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:12:57 +0300
>
>
>
>
>>From: "ahmad kt" <ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>>Subject: Re: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
>>Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:21:25 +0300
>>
>>
>>
>>??????? ?? ?????
>>
>>>From: "Canfield, Joel" <JCanfield at magisnetworks.com>
>>>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>>>To: "Evolt (E-mail)" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>>>Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
>>>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:14:01 -0700
>>>
>>>Any advanced NT sysadmins out there? I've got a user running a perl 
>>>script
>>>on a Win2K box. From the DOS prompt we can do this
>>>
>>>dir \\server\share
>>>
>>>and it works, but his script, running in the browser, gets denied
>>>permission. The folder in question is read only to the everyone group, 
>>>but
>>>I'm under the impression the anonymous web browser account isn't really
>>>part
>>>of the everyone group. Is that correct?
>>>
>>>Joel D Canfield
>>>Applications Manager
>>>Magis Networks, Inc.
>>>jcanfield at magisnetworks.com
>>>858.523.2328
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------
>>>For unsubscribe and other options, including
>>>the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to:
>>>http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>>
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>
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From leaevolt at viking.org.au  Sat Jun 23 07:32:38 2001
From: leaevolt at viking.org.au (Lea)
Date: Sat Jun 23 07:32:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
In-Reply-To: <F65tr5XsCj1d4vJFRFW000131a8@hotmail.com>
References: <F65tr5XsCj1d4vJFRFW000131a8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <132535104489.20010623215752@viking.org.au>

Do you think maybe he's trying to send an unsubscribe command?

Saturday, June 23, 2001, 9:46:42 PM, ahmad kt wrote:

> ??????? ?? ?????
> ??????? ?? ?????
> ??????? ?? ?????
> ??????? ?? ?????

Lea
-- 
Lea Levy
Information Architect
Elysian Systems ~~ "Web Consulting, Development, Review"
http://www.elysiansystems.com

Get thee hence, Foul Modernist Zipper Person
-- Auntie Liadain





From bekah at nightvisions.com  Sat Jun 23 07:53:23 2001
From: bekah at nightvisions.com (Rebekah Murphy)
Date: Sat Jun 23 07:53:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases?
Message-ID: <200106230858128.SM00348@[206.15.129.196]>

Cris wrote:
> We do e-mail services for a few of our clients (POP3
> and forwarding), but
> have a hard time explaining to people what an alias is...
> 
> Has anyone come up with some cool, simple analogy
> that explains it?

How about call forwarding? It is basically the same 
thing with voice that aliasing is with email.

-Bekah
-
http://NightVisions.com *** Web Design and Renovation
http://nightvisions.com/homepage - Portfolio
http://nightvisions.com/ooey_gui - Icons
http://nightvisions.com/personal - Personal




From webmaster at menouno.com  Sat Jun 23 08:13:44 2001
From: webmaster at menouno.com (webmaster at menouno.com)
Date: Sat Jun 23 08:13:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
In-Reply-To: <fd.8250b8a.2865d234@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3B34B1C7.11229.1DAFD5@localhost>

Hi;

> 'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -

elegant and fast. Type is maybe a bit light to read. The only problem 
is that I don't get the full size img in Opera 5.11 Win98: just an 
empty new window


ciao

Massimo



From roselli at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 23 08:26:58 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Sat Jun 23 08:26:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] How to decrease the height of the form table
In-Reply-To: <LFELIIPJGPCJIKJMBKPPOEIECCAA.navin_dhanuka@yahoo.com>
References: <20010622224300.26BC3ABF@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <3B345F5F.22685.25961738@localhost>

> From: "Navin Dhanuka" <navin_dhanuka at yahoo.com>
> 
> How do I decrease the height of the form table.?

well, based on your sample code...

you can keep the <form>s out of the table cell, which isn't 
technically correct HTML, but will render in all browsers in which 
i've tested it:

<table>
	<form>
 <tr>
  <td><input ...></td>
 </tr>
	</form>
</table>

or you can try adjusting the margin and padding with CSS:

<form style="margin-top:0px;padding-top:0px;">

experiment... decide which is the best for your audience...




From sfmalo at email.msn.com  Sat Jun 23 09:20:23 2001
From: sfmalo at email.msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Sat Jun 23 09:20:23 2001
Subject: [thelist] Netscape 6.1 PR1
References: <7b.168de688.2864eaa6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00d601c0fbee$e7694d00$94241b3f@oemcomputer>

Greg wrote:

> NS6 will display PDFs in the browser window, if the Acrobat Reader plugin
is installed and the file associations are setup correctly.
>
> Try reinstalling Reader.  That should do it.

Well, do I have egg on MY face. I just stumbled upon the answer to this
perplexing problem this morning, thanks, to you, Greg. You know what it is?
It's not the Reader; it's the file extensions.

I put lots of PDFs on one of my client's sites months ago which were read
just fine in I.E. 5.x and NN4.7 .... but would not display in Net6.x.  I
thought it was the new browser's fault. But, when you said "file
associations" that set me to thinking. . . and sure enough! The PDFs my
client sent me months ago all have their file extensions in uppercase as in
xyz.PDF. I didn't think anything of it since the other two browsers
displayed them just fine. So, I'm going to be doing a lot of renaming of PDF
files this morning and reloading to the site. I'm sure that's the answer.

Again, thanks so much.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sharon F. Malone
"web design and Internet writing services"
http://www.24caratdesign.com




From alligotar at gmx.net  Sat Jun 23 09:43:13 2001
From: alligotar at gmx.net (Master Web)
Date: Sat Jun 23 09:43:13 2001
Subject: [thelist] SSI on Apache
References: <20010621163905.36141.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B34AA1C.AEC19BAE@gmx.net>

> >  Options+ Includes
            ^
Sorry if being rude, that's may your be quirk. My httpd.conf looks like
that:

[...]
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews Includes ExecCGI
[...]

You'll need not to mention ex. verbis all options, but MultiViews has to be
mentioned.

If you want to add only \emph{one}, you'll write, i. e.:

[...]
Options +Includes
#       ^ Note the difference
[...]

Hth,

Jakob D?lling
-- 
To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the
mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms
against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then?
;>

Contact:
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/Jakob D?lling     \/EMail:     mailto:alligott at yahoo.com      \/
<>Treuerzipfel 13   <>ICQ #:     47326203                       <>
/\D-38678 Clausthal /\SMS #:     +49-82668-8918663              /\
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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From lwkraemer at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 23 10:32:38 2001
From: lwkraemer at earthlink.net (lon.kraemer)
Date: Sat Jun 23 10:32:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
References: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHAEOOCKAA.arthur@arthurnoel.com>
Message-ID: <008101c0fbf9$1b24d100$5a64fc9e@lonnie>

Clean, fast, attractive.

Win98se, IE5.01, PC

One comment. RE: Photos. Scenario: A vertical format photo is selected,
pop-up opens. The user does not specifically close the chromeless window,
rather focuses back to index. Next she selects a horiz format photo. This
pops up in the previous window sized for the vertical photo. The horiz image
doesn't fit that window and since there are no scrollbars it looks 'broken'.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have the pop-up close when it loses
focus, then it'll be respawned with the correct size for the next image
selected.

HTH
lon

> Hello Everybody,
>
> I'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -
> good/bad/indifferent? I'd also be very interested to hear what it looks
like
> on a mac since I don't have access to one myself.
>
> Many thanks,
> Arthur





From alligotar at gmx.net  Sat Jun 23 10:42:58 2001
From: alligotar at gmx.net (Master Web)
Date: Sat Jun 23 10:42:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] SSI on Apache (Addendum)
References: <20010621163905.36141.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> <3B34AA1C.AEC19BAE@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <3B34B821.40C6AAE7@gmx.net>


Master Web schrieb:
> 
> > >  Options+ Includes
>             ^
> Sorry if being rude, that's may your be quirk. My httpd.conf looks like
> that:
> 
> [...]
> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews Includes ExecCGI
> [...]
> 
> You'll need not to mention ex. verbis all options, but MultiViews has to be
> mentioned.
> 
> If you want to add only \emph{one}, you'll write, i. e.:
> 
> [...]
> Options +Includes
> #       ^ Note the difference
> [...]

You should know following: If Apache "sees" options without the plus-sign,
all other options are overwritten by the options that now set via the
Options-command. If you do add the sign to your option to be set, the "new"
options are added the current ones.

Jakob D?lling
^-- 
To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the
mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms
against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then?
;>

Contact:
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/Jakob D?lling     \/EMail:     mailto:alligott at yahoo.com      \/
<>Treuerzipfel 13   <>ICQ #:     47326203                       <>
/\D-38678 Clausthal /\SMS #:     +49-82668-8918663              /\
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
/\Webmaster of http://www.bank-ic.de/                           /\
\/--------------------------------------------------------------\/



From lauren3g at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 23 10:43:38 2001
From: lauren3g at hotmail.com (lauren g)
Date: Sat Jun 23 10:43:38 2001
Subject: [thelist] Subject: Re: Color picker
Message-ID: <F48SrkCaldMhxuwPQ0u00007ca3@hotmail.com>

Try these:
http://www.paletteman.com/
http://ideo.com/visualizer.html
http://www.limitless.co.uk/colour/
http://www.colors4webmasters.com/

Lauren G
lauren3g at hotmail.com
http://www.lauren3g.com

Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com wrote:
I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months ago 
here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background changes 
for comparison, etc., etc.
_________________________________________________________________
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From adn at clara.net  Sat Jun 23 10:53:58 2001
From: adn at clara.net (Arthur Noel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 10:53:58 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
In-Reply-To: <008101c0fbf9$1b24d100$5a64fc9e@lonnie>
Message-ID: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHGEPDCKAA.adn@clara.net>

> Perhaps it would be a good idea to have the pop-up close when it loses
> focus, then it'll be respawned with the correct size for the next image
> selected.

good idea, thanks



From MMcAtee at philamuseum.org  Sat Jun 23 10:58:18 2001
From: MMcAtee at philamuseum.org (McAtee, Malcolm)
Date: Sat Jun 23 10:58:18 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: default host +domain?
Message-ID: <3CB23A9F8C3DD511BC2500508BC741332DFF40@MAILHOST>


This is sort of a stupid question...but here goes.
            I have set up a test Apache web server which I have been
browsing to using the IP address. (no DNS)
            Using linuxconf I switched the host name + domain.

           I beleive it was localhost.localdomain but I am still unable to
browse.
            Any suggestions



From adn at clara.net  Sat Jun 23 11:00:34 2001
From: adn at clara.net (Arthur Noel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:00:34 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request - ie5 mac/opera 5 screwed
In-Reply-To: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHGEPDCKAA.adn@clara.net>
Message-ID: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHGEPECKAA.adn@clara.net>

> not so good, here's a screencap from IE5/Mac so you can debug:
> http://www.cloudfactory.org/~mike/public/screencap.jpg

Thanks for that. I don't suppose anyone could give me a clue as to why this
is happening? The relevant parts of the stylesheet follow:

/* div containing the text and photo */
#content {
	width : 70%;
	margin-top : 20px;
	font-size : 0.8em;
	text-align : justify;
	position : relative;
	left : 140px;
}

/* a general rule for img elements within the #content div */
#content img {
	width : 150px;
	float : left;
	margin : 0px 15px 15px 0px;
	border : 1px solid #000;
}

/* rule applying specifically to the homepage photo, !important declarations
to overide the above */
#hpic {
	width : 200px !important;
	margin : 0px 0px 5px 15px !important;
	float : right !important;
}

So basically all there is is a container with the text and a photo
right-aligned within it - doesn't sound overly complicated does it?

> The only problem
> is that I don't get the full size img in Opera 5.11 Win98: just an
> empty new window

Me too and i don't know why, i'm opening the window like this:

function show_photo(img_id, title, pwidth, pheight) {
	photo_win = window.open("", "photo", "width=" + pwidth + ",height=" +
pheight + ",resizable");
	photo_win.document.write('<html><head><title>' + title +
'</title></head><body style="margin:0px"><img src="/photos/' + img_id +
'.jpg" width="' + pwidth + '" height="' + pheight + '"
alt=""></body></html>');n
	photo_win.document.close();
	setTimeout("photo_win.focus()", 100);
	}

It seems the window is opened to the correct size and an image is written
into the window but it only shows the borders, the space is blank.

Thanks a lot,
Arthur




From joel at spinhead.com  Sat Jun 23 11:00:44 2001
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:00:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone' group?
In-Reply-To: <132535104489.20010623215752@viking.org.au>
Message-ID: <000301c0fbfe$8d3946e0$6401a8c0@eratosthenes>

If he is, I wish he'd change the subject line to Arabic (?) as well; I keep
thinking someone's got an answer for me.

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Lea
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 5:28 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] IUSR_machinename - is it part of 'everyone'
group?


Do you think maybe he's trying to send an unsubscribe command?

Saturday, June 23, 2001, 9:46:42 PM, ahmad kt wrote:

> ??????? ?? ?????
> ??????? ?? ?????
> ??????? ?? ?????
> ??????? ?? ?????

Lea
--
Lea Levy
Information Architect
Elysian Systems ~~ "Web Consulting, Development, Review"
http://www.elysiansystems.com

Get thee hence, Foul Modernist Zipper Person
-- Auntie Liadain




From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Sat Jun 23 11:14:03 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:14:03 2001
Subject: [thelist] Chatbox
Message-ID: <001a01c0fbff$6d9b4b20$5a215fc3@evelinev>

There is a perfectly good reason for not choosing Java, Nicole, I can't do
it, my knowledge only stretches to JavaScript not Java... that's all...:-))

Thanks for the reply anyway

Eveline




From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Sat Jun 23 11:21:53 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:21:53 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE:Brain Addled JavaScript
Message-ID: <002201c0fc00$88977240$5a215fc3@evelinev>

Hey, this is great, I always used the "#" sign for OnClick events in my
code, and I got hundreds of time frustrated to see my page jump back to the
top, if this happens once it is not so bad but I usually make extensive use
of JavaScripts in my sites and then it gets a bore very easily if it happens
all the time...:-))

Thanks Jeff

Eveline Vanhemel




From smo at plus2net.com  Sat Jun 23 11:22:33 2001
From: smo at plus2net.com (Subhendu Mohapatra)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:22:33 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS settings to run .asp pages
Message-ID: <00d601c0fc00$0aca3f00$03b709ca@celeron433>

My client has conformed that the check box to execute the scripts in site
property is checked. Site is on NT4. I have uploaded all files and found
that only .html files are opening. All .asp files are creating error like
this.
Server Application Error
The server has encountered an error while loading an application during the
processing of your request. Please refer to the event log for more detail
information. Please contact the server administrator for assistance.

There is no problem in asp code as I have tested them in my PWS and in
another site also. A simple asp file with simple code  ( Response.Write "
message " )  is also crating same error. What is the problem in all .asp
files ? I am testing my pages in PWS and have very poor knowledge on NT. So
what I should ask my client to check now ?
Regards,
Subhendu Mohapatra
Freelance web designer
 www.plus2net.com





From nicole at parrot.ca  Sat Jun 23 11:25:09 2001
From: nicole at parrot.ca (Nicole Parrot)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:25:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] Chatbox
References: <001a01c0fbff$6d9b4b20$5a215fc3@evelinev>
Message-ID: <135a01c0fc00$f3600650$1ecaca18@cleo>

From: "Eveline Vanhemel" <eveline_vanhemel at pi.be>
> There is a perfectly good reason for not choosing Java, Nicole, I can't do
> it, my knowledge only stretches to JavaScript not Java... that's
all...:-))

hee hee. very good reason... So how about a ready made chatbox?

http://www.jpilot.com/  will let your users connect to a standard IRC
client.
Registration fee is 50$US
(note: I am not associated with them, but I've used the applet before,
without a problem)

http://www.chatspace.com for a complete turnkey solution. Runs the IRC
server on a Windows machine, and offers plenty of control over the users
(you may require a username and login before they contact the IRC server,
there's a word censor so people can't swear, complete logging at the server
level, etc...) Bit pricey, but they can also offer hosting and there's a
free version with less features.
Oh, and they even offer a message board and chat room integration. I'm not
too sure how it works, because their message boards didn't fit our
requirements, unfortunately.

Eveline, I'm just trying to offer you alternatives which you may or may not
have considered before. Then again, it's possible that outside solutions are
not acceptable in your case. Just trying to help ;-)




From joel at spinhead.com  Sat Jun 23 11:33:39 2001
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:33:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS settings to run .asp pages
In-Reply-To: <00d601c0fc00$0aca3f00$03b709ca@celeron433>
Message-ID: <000401c0fc03$27c22430$6401a8c0@eratosthenes>

What does the event log say? Test the page, then check all three logs for
errors at that time. It should point us in the right direction.

If IIS is installed, running ASP should be working. It doesn't require
extensive configuring (especially IIS4 on NT.)

You might confirm that they're testing the pages like this:

http://machinename/myfile.asp

and not

c:\inetpub\wwwroot\myfile.asp

or

\\machinename\inetpub\wwwroot\myfile.asp

If you don't have the HTTP protocol specified, the server won't parse the
ASP. This doesn't look like the error you'd receive, but it should be
confirmed before we look for more sinister causes.

joel at spinhead.com

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Subhendu Mohapatra
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 9:16 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] IIS settings to run .asp pages


My client has conformed that the check box to execute the scripts in site
property is checked. Site is on NT4. I have uploaded all files and found
that only .html files are opening. All .asp files are creating error like
this.
Server Application Error
The server has encountered an error while loading an application during the
processing of your request. Please refer to the event log for more detail
information. Please contact the server administrator for assistance.

There is no problem in asp code as I have tested them in my PWS and in
another site also. A simple asp file with simple code  ( Response.Write "
message " )  is also crating same error. What is the problem in all .asp
files ? I am testing my pages in PWS and have very poor knowledge on NT. So
what I should ask my client to check now ?
Regards,
Subhendu Mohapatra
Freelance web designer
 www.plus2net.com




From beau at members.evolt.org  Sat Jun 23 11:40:24 2001
From: beau at members.evolt.org (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:40:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] Analog User Session Tracking
In-Reply-To: <099212701101761PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <JGEOKFDOOJPEBHBBBMIKIEGCCDAA.beau@members.evolt.org>

So what meaning has anyone every got out of all those numbers cranked out
by analog (page requests, requests, etc.)? Is page requests the most
informative result?

Thanks,

Beau

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Martin
Sent: June 23, 2001 2:59 AM
To: thelist
Subject: Re: [thelist] Analog User Session Tracking

What many App servers (SiteServer, CF, Broadvision, ATG etc) do is to use
session cookies to track both unique visitors, and visitor paths through
the
site. Note that analysing visitor paths is a nightmare to do if you want
any
kind of useful information at the end of it, but it's a nice concept.

Cheers
Martin




From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Sat Jun 23 11:42:09 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 11:42:09 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE:Chatbox using ASP?
Message-ID: <002a01c0fc03$5e981320$5a215fc3@evelinev>

Thank you Philippe, your suggestion of not closing the page, was to the
point, thank you...:-))

Eveline




From mamata11 at 123india.com  Sat Jun 23 12:02:24 2001
From: mamata11 at 123india.com (Subhendu Mohapatra)
Date: Sat Jun 23 12:02:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS settings to run .asp pages
References: <000401c0fc03$27c22430$6401a8c0@eratosthenes>
Message-ID: <01ea01c0fc05$9b298740$03b709ca@celeron433>

> What does the event log say? Test the page, then check all three logs for
> errors at that time. It should point us in the right direction.
>
I am waiting for that but before that I am not able to undestand why a .asp
file will not open if other files are opening. May be problem in asp.dll ?
But not sure.
> You might confirm that they're testing the pages like this:
>
> http://machinename/myfile.asp
>
> and not
>
> c:\inetpub\wwwroot\myfile

No,   I have the IP address of the remote server and I am testing from my
machine like this  IPaddress/testfile.asp, and getting the error message.
But IPaddress/testfile.html   files are opening.

> If you don't have the HTTP protocol specified, the server won't parse the
> ASP. This doesn't look like the error you'd receive, but it should be
> confirmed before we look for more sinister causes.

Not able to understand this but as .html pages are ok so may be this is not
the problem. Also all the .asp files are working perfectly in my PWS and in
another test site also. So codes are OK


Regards,
Subhendu Mohapatra
Freelance web designer
 www.plus2net.com

> If IIS is installed, running ASP should be working. It doesn't require
> extensive configuring (especially IIS4 on NT.)
>
.asp
>
> or
>
> \\machinename\inetpub\wwwroot\myfile.asp
>
> joel at spinhead.com
>





From DC_the_gasman at Bigfoot.com  Sat Jun 23 12:06:44 2001
From: DC_the_gasman at Bigfoot.com (DC)
Date: Sat Jun 23 12:06:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request - ie5 mac/opera 5 screwed
In-Reply-To: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHGEPECKAA.adn@clara.net>
References: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHGEPECKAA.adn@clara.net>
Message-ID: <p04330103b75a7a2ea784@[212.229.49.71]>

"Arthur Noel" wrote:
>  > not so good, here's a screencap from IE5/Mac so you can debug:
>  > http://www.cloudfactory.org/~mike/public/screencap.jpg
>
>Thanks for that. I don't suppose anyone could give me a clue as to why this
>is happening?

I had a similar problem a while ago which, IIRC, I fixed by putting 
the image within a separate <div> within the main <div> and aligning 
that.

DC



From adn at clara.net  Sat Jun 23 12:35:14 2001
From: adn at clara.net (Arthur Noel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 12:35:14 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request - ie5 mac/opera 5 screwed
In-Reply-To: <p04330103b75a7a2ea784@[212.229.49.71]>
Message-ID: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHOEPGCKAA.adn@clara.net>

> >  > not so good, here's a screencap from IE5/Mac so you can debug:
> >  > http://www.cloudfactory.org/~mike/public/screencap.jpg
> >
> >Thanks for that. I don't suppose anyone could give me a clue as
> to why this
> >is happening?
>
> I had a similar problem a while ago which, IIRC, I fixed by putting
> the image within a separate <div> within the main <div> and aligning
> that.

I've set up a page at http://nictucker.com/homepage_macie5.html as you
describe - could someone have a look pretty please.

Thanks,
Arthur




From joel at spinhead.com  Sat Jun 23 12:39:39 2001
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Sat Jun 23 12:39:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS settings to run .asp pages
In-Reply-To: <01ea01c0fc05$9b298740$03b709ca@celeron433>
Message-ID: <000501c0fc0c$60ac0ff0$6401a8c0@eratosthenes>

If you're testing xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/myfile.asp that should be working.

HTML files working doesn't point to what's up with ASP files since HTML
isn't handled the way ASP is; you can open an HTML file without even having
the web server running. The fact that the pages work with your local server
is good; the error messages should help pinpoint what's different with their
setup.

joel

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Subhendu Mohapatra
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 9:58 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] IIS settings to run .asp pages

> You might confirm that they're testing the pages like this:
>
> http://machinename/myfile.asp
>
> and not
>
> c:\inetpub\wwwroot\myfile

No,   I have the IP address of the remote server and I am testing from my
machine like this  IPaddress/testfile.asp, and getting the error message.
But IPaddress/testfile.html   files are opening.

> If you don't have the HTTP protocol specified, the server won't parse the
> ASP. This doesn't look like the error you'd receive, but it should be
> confirmed before we look for more sinister causes.

Not able to understand this but as .html pages are ok so may be this is not
the problem. Also all the .asp files are working perfectly in my PWS and in
another test site also. So codes are OK


Regards,
Subhendu Mohapatra
Freelance web designer
 www.plus2net.com




From marius at vardas.lt  Sat Jun 23 12:41:49 2001
From: marius at vardas.lt (Mario)
Date: Sat Jun 23 12:41:49 2001
Subject: [thelist] Website+CF5
Message-ID: <56124081870.20010623193748@list.lt>

Hello *.cfm,

Are there any lucky running Oreilly website with CF5 and have working RDS ?


-- 
Best regards,
 Mario                          mailto:marius at vardas.lt




From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Sat Jun 23 12:44:19 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 12:44:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE:Analog User Session Tracking
Message-ID: <003a01c0fc0c$0e886200$5a215fc3@evelinev>

Martin Wrote:

"What many App servers (SiteServer, CF, Broadvision, ATG etc) do is to use
session cookies to track both unique visitors, and visitor paths through
the
site. Note that analysing visitor paths is a nightmare to do if you want
any
kind of useful information at the end of it, but it's a nice concept."

This is true but it requires the client to have cookies enabled, so I don't
vote for that either....

Eveline








From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Sat Jun 23 12:44:29 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 12:44:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] Height of table
Message-ID: <003b01c0fc0c$126cc820$5a215fc3@evelinev>

Hi Navin,

To my opinion, it is not a good idea to put heights and widths on your
tables. I never do. Just put your content in it and let the browser decide
how much space you need.

If you are new to site creation, I'd suggest you use Macromedia Dreamweaver
to create tables, to my opinion it is the only tool for site creation that
deserves credit. It has a nice WYSIWIG tool and it is very easy to watch the
code it creates. I started out that way in webdesign and from time to time I
still use it.

HTH,

Eveline
eveline_vanhemel at pi.be





From mgvanca at home.com  Sat Jun 23 12:51:19 2001
From: mgvanca at home.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Sat Jun 23 12:51:19 2001
Subject: [thelist] Subject: Re: Color picker
References: <F48SrkCaldMhxuwPQ0u00007ca3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301c0fc0c$7e87a5c0$934c4c18@telus.net>

Another nice online one that lets you see what your type will look like with
different backgrounds is:
http://www.richinstyle.com/free/colorizer.html

<snip>
Try these:
http://www.paletteman.com/
http://ideo.com/visualizer.html
http://www.limitless.co.uk/colour/
http://www.colors4webmasters.com/

Lauren G
lauren3g at hotmail.com
http://www.lauren3g.com

Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com wrote:
I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months ago
here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background changes
for comparison, etc., etc.
</snip>





From marty at face2interface.com  Sat Jun 23 13:03:50 2001
From: marty at face2interface.com (Marty Landman)
Date: Sat Jun 23 13:03:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] Subject: Re: Color picker
In-Reply-To: <F48SrkCaldMhxuwPQ0u00007ca3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010623134822.00a68ec0@pop.ulster.net>

>Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com wrote:
>I looked for this link which was floating around only a couple of months 
>ago here... it was an online color picker with swatches and background 
>changes for comparison, etc., etc.

My old web safe color picker (written almost 3 yrs ago) has a swatches 
page, then you get into the program where it displays web safe neighbors... 
all are links so you can quickly go through the palette :

http://www.catnmoose.com/wsc.shtml

There's also an RGB/Dec/Hex converter in javascript at the bottom of the 
swatch page.

Finally, there's an experimental version which works just like the color 
picker except that it also displays the complementary colors next to the 
colors you've chosen.

http://www.catnmoose.com/cgibin/newwsc.cgi?RGB=FF6633

Hope this helps.

Marty

Face 2 Interface Web Solutions
Website Creation Made SIMPL(tm)
Online Demo Available
http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml




From dc at dcjt.demon.co.uk  Sat Jun 23 13:21:04 2001
From: dc at dcjt.demon.co.uk (DC)
Date: Sat Jun 23 13:21:04 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request - ie5 mac/opera 5 screwed
In-Reply-To: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHOEPGCKAA.adn@clara.net>
References: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHOEPGCKAA.adn@clara.net>
Message-ID: <p04330105b75a86858e01@[212.229.49.71]>

At 6:34 pm +0100 23/6/01, Arthur Noel wrote:
>  > >  > not so good, here's a screencap from IE5/Mac so you can debug:
>>  >  > http://www.cloudfactory.org/~mike/public/screencap.jpg
>>  >
>>  >Thanks for that. I don't suppose anyone could give me a clue as
>>  to why this
>>  >is happening?
>>
>>  I had a similar problem a while ago which, IIRC, I fixed by putting
>>  the image within a separate <div> within the main <div> and aligning
>>  that.
>
>I've set up a page at http://nictucker.com/homepage_macie5.html as you
>describe - could someone have a look pretty please.

It looks the same.

I applied the styles to the <div> itself, not the image in the <div>.

DC




From joshua at alphashop.net  Sat Jun 23 13:50:24 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Sat Jun 23 13:50:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] Chatbox using ASP?
References: <000901c0fb5e$3c4004e0$d72b5fc3@evelinev> <0f6501c0fb71$971de950$1ecaca18@cleo>
Message-ID: <032701c0fc15$5596e8c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>

The process of making an online chat is not that bad when you can control
the client... say ie 5.0+

Actually, if you have that sort of control, it is actually quite easy to
create a multiroom/mutlperson chat where everyone can see everyone else's
chat within a room, and you can get an updated list of who is and who is not
in the room at any moment.  I may be able to post a demo by Tuesday (I have
one done it's just not public) if you are interested in seeing an example.
The back end is written in CF, not ASP, but the concepts are the same.

Just let me know if you are interested in seeing it and I will get on it
dogonit.

-joshua

: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Eveline Vanhemel" <eveline_vanhemel at pi.be>
: > This thing lets me think, I already started out wrong by thinking, I
could
: > create a chatbox this way. Because of that, my question to you is, is
: there
: > a way to create a chatbox without using Java? Or should I prepare my
: client
: > that he better forgets the idea?
:
:
:
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From sfmalo at email.msn.com  Sat Jun 23 13:50:55 2001
From: sfmalo at email.msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Sat Jun 23 13:50:55 2001
Subject: [thelist] Re: inexpensive E-Commerce
References: <20010622125450.D12EEB80@relay.evolt.org> <3B3372A7.B468581C@netpaths.net>
Message-ID: <019e01c0fc14$a677fa00$94241b3f@oemcomputer>

Cayley -

I just went through several pages of Cedant's site. Sounds too good to be
true!! I'm particularly interested in finding another host for a non-profit
client who is now paying 19.95/mo and not getting much of anything!

How have you found Cedant's service and tech support to be? Fast, reliable?
Any problems transferring domain name(s)? Was set-up fast (as in it didn't
take weeks with little to no tech support answering your queries?). Just
curious 'cause I've been looking for months and this host offers so much
more for 7.95/mo than any other host I've seen so far. I've been reading
posts about horror stories, so to speak, of other folks having big-time
problems with cheap hosts.(<8

Sharon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cayley Vos" <cvos at netpaths.net>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:30 AM
Subject: [thelist] Re: inexpensive E-Commerce


> for your inexpensive E-Commerce, dont forget to checkout
www.theexchangeproject.org
>
> 1. Find an inexpensive host that supports php, mysql and ssl. (I'm using
> http://www.cedant.com/).
> --
>
>
> Cayley Vos, Principal
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sharon F. Malone
"web design and Internet writing services"
http://www.24caratdesign.com





From doshea at surfree.com  Sat Jun 23 14:05:50 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Sat Jun 23 14:05:50 2001
Subject: [thelist] A true breadcrumbs trail
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINIEPKCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

Aardvark suggested I let the list know if there was a way that the
breadcrumbs trail could each link to a page.

Just add a default page to each folder. (Or index, and whatever extension
form you use.) The subdirectory now becomes a subweb. The script recognizes
any subweb as long as it is on all pages.

For instance, at www.whodoistart/football, clicking on 2000 under
STATISTICS>PLAYERS, click on one of the player positions. By clicking on
Statistics in the breadcrumb trail once that page loads, the default page in
that folder loads up.

As it states in the BREADCRUMBS directions, name your folders precisely how
you want them to appear.

Voila, a true breadcrumbs trail.

Dan O.




From doshea at surfree.com  Sat Jun 23 14:09:39 2001
From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea)
Date: Sat Jun 23 14:09:39 2001
Subject: [thelist] A true breadcrumbs trail
Message-ID: <GDEAKBKHDDGGEPBKAFINOEPKCDAA.doshea@surfree.com>

My apologies for an incorrect link and having to post again. I left the .com
out of the link.

Aardvark suggested I let the list know if there was a way that the
breadcrumbs trail could each link to a page.

Just add a default page to each folder. (Or index, and whatever extension
form you use.) The subdirectory now becomes a subweb. The script recognizes
any subweb as long as it is on all pages.

For instance, at www.whodoistart.com/football, clicking on 2000 under
STATISTICS>PLAYERS, click on one of the player positions. By clicking on
Statistics in the breadcrumb trail once that page loads, the default page in
that folder loads up.

As it states in the BREADCRUMBS directions, name your folders precisely how
you want them to appear.

Voila, a true breadcrumbs trail.

Dan O.




From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Sat Jun 23 14:20:54 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 14:20:54 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: Chatbox
Message-ID: <000a01c0fc19$8b7d4ac0$052b5fc3@evelinev>

I hear you Nicole, don't think I didn't consider it, and in fact I even took
it as a serious option, but my client wasn't agreeing with it. The chatbox
is not that important, because I was clever enough to tell my client in the
beginning, that it was something I was not sure of if I could do it, so he
was already a bit prepared if I didn't succeed in making one. Furthermore,
if the chatbox is going to be implemented, it will only be accessible for
members of the organisation I am making this site for (it is a membership
site), so it is only a very small portion of the whole project I am working
on and it is certainly not that important, to be quite frank, it was more of
a challenge to me, if I could pull something like this off, since I never
did it before.

But anyway, I certainly going to keep these url's in mind, I am sure they
will come in handy, one day or another, if not in this project then
certainly in some other.

So thanks for your help..:-))

Eveline




From jjsteele22 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 23 14:27:29 2001
From: jjsteele22 at yahoo.com (jon steele)
Date: Sat Jun 23 14:27:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Access and SQL (from ColdFusion)
Message-ID: <20010623192404.76273.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I'm using ColdFusion to create a table, and I need to know how to work
with all those extra options in Access...like default value, required,
Autonumber, etc. Does anyone have a good link explaining these (besides
the MS help file...they don't explain a thing).

Also, you know how in Access you can use VB commands in the fields you
create in Design View, I need to create a date field, with Now() as the
default value, from ColdFusion. How can I set that default value?

Thanks in advance,
Jon.

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From joshua at alphashop.net  Sat Jun 23 14:44:35 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Sat Jun 23 14:44:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] MS Access and SQL (from ColdFusion)
References: <20010623192404.76273.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <051701c0fc1c$e7f46010$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q180/8/41.asp

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/daosdk/htm/
dajsql05_1hwz.asp

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/daosdk/htm/
dajsql03_2lx0.asp

Basically, MSDN, http://msdn.microsoft.com should be searched as the
definitive resource for MS software.

HTH,
-joshua


----- Original Message -----
From: "jon steele" <jjsteele22 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [thelist] MS Access and SQL (from ColdFusion)


: Hi,
:
: I'm using ColdFusion to create a table, and I need to know how to work
: with all those extra options in Access...like default value, required,
: Autonumber, etc. Does anyone have a good link explaining these (besides
: the MS help file...they don't explain a thing).
:
: Also, you know how in Access you can use VB commands in the fields you
: create in Design View, I need to create a date field, with Now() as the
: default value, from ColdFusion. How can I set that default value?
:
: Thanks in advance,
: Jon.




From eveline_vanhemel at pi.be  Sat Jun 23 14:45:24 2001
From: eveline_vanhemel at pi.be (Eveline Vanhemel)
Date: Sat Jun 23 14:45:24 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE: Chatbox
Message-ID: <001201c0fc1c$f9436000$052b5fc3@evelinev>

OK Joshua, I am interested, at least if you think I can make out the
Coldfusion code, since I never worked with it before. But I appreciate it
very much....:-))

Thanks

Eveline
eveline_vanhemel at pi.be





From ronwhite at members.evolt.org  Sat Jun 23 15:22:35 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Sat Jun 23 15:22:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] IIS settings to run .asp pages
In-Reply-To: <000501c0fc0c$60ac0ff0$6401a8c0@eratosthenes>
Message-ID: <MABBJACNCFDNLLAFJNJBKEHOCHAA.ronwhite@members.evolt.org>

Actually you need to put http://IPAddress/foo.asp for it to work properly...
This is true for .jsp pages as well...

Thanks,
Ron White




From sabrina.dent at appercept.co.uk  Sat Jun 23 15:54:15 2001
From: sabrina.dent at appercept.co.uk (Sabrina Dent, Apperception)
Date: Sat Jun 23 15:54:15 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Users: Problems viewing RTF
Message-ID: <007c01c0fc25$f1a0a340$0de87bd5@sabrina>

Salutations, the List...

I've created a site where people can download stories and articles stored on
the server as RTF files; several kind and sage minds who comprise the List
told me that this would work great for Mac users and RTF was wonderfully
portable.

All is (mostly) well and I'm a happy bunny, except I'm having (drumroll) Mac
problems.

Small problem: the files are not opening in the browser; they're being
downloaded to some destination on the visitor's HD.  Is there a standard
path I could point Mac users to in order to find their downloads?

Big problem: When a Mac user sends me RTF file, all the " and ' marks are
replaced with strange ASCII characters. I have to do a find & replace and
re-upload the file.  OK, I can live with that, but when a Mac visitor reads
the file, all of the ' (apostrophe) marks are reportedly missing.

This isn't really as cross-platform compatible as I was hoping it would be
:(
Can anyone offer some wisdom re. the above? I apologise profusely, but I'm
just Mac illiterate.

--Bri

<tip>
Replace the standard email link with this bit of javascript, edited of
course with your email address . . .
<script language=javascript>
document.write('<a href="mailto'+':'+'info'+'@'+'mywebsite'+'.'+'com'+'">');
document.write('info'+'@'+'mywebsite'+'.'+'com</a>');
</script>
This way users of your website see the email address as usual, but no "bot"
scanning your web-page text is going to understand it or farm it for spam.
</tip>




From evolt at stuph.com  Sat Jun 23 16:02:20 2001
From: evolt at stuph.com (Thomas)
Date: Sat Jun 23 16:02:20 2001
Subject: [thelist] Web Stat Software = NetTracker
References: <20010612221031.F4140920@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <00a401c0fc26$fc2369f0$2c01a8c0@dreamlabimagineering.com>

In reply to a message from a while back ...

>> From: "Justin"
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001
>> Subject: [thelist] Web Stat Software
>>
>> stats.  The two I've seen and read the most about are Media House's
>> "LiveStats" and Exody's WebSuxess 4.  Anyone have any experience


<tip type="Web Stat Software">

[[WebTrends ]]
These guys have been around forever and have a whole range of
packages to choose from. This "works just fine." It's more resource
intensive than a "simple" report generation tool. (Analog or similar)

[[ LiveStats ]]
Visually, it looks impressive, but the features and functionality
are about the same as WebTrends.

[[NetTracker ]]
This is what you want. It lets you drill down into the stats the way
you could if you spent $30k on Accrue Insight (HitList). It costs
more than WebTrends/LiveStats ... but you get what you pay for.

[[ Disclaimer ]]
I've installed, evaluated, and (ab)used all three as well as Analog.

</tip>





From jjsteele22 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 23 17:11:00 2001
From: jjsteele22 at yahoo.com (jon steele)
Date: Sat Jun 23 17:11:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFFILE upload
Message-ID: <20010623220737.4050.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com>

Just a quick question: If I set the CFFILE upload tag's namconflict to
"SKIP" like this:

<cffile action="UPLOAD" filefield="formfield"
destination="#destination#" nameconflict="SKIP">

Does it upload the file first, then check for nameconflict, or check
for the conflict first? This is because rather large files are to be
uploaded, and I was wondering if I needed a manual check to see if a
file exists, so time isn't wasted.

Thanks,
Jon.

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From krr at ix.netcom.com  Sat Jun 23 17:25:30 2001
From: krr at ix.netcom.com (Kevin)
Date: Sat Jun 23 17:25:30 2001
Subject: [thelist] .bat file for auto running CD
Message-ID: <003701c0fc33$3e9bbf60$c04ffea9@g8t3t5>

I used to have a collection of .bat files I used to auto run my CD's.

They were simple enough, Just a pointer to the file in question
and one additional file bundled in to make the whole thing work.

Looking around the web I can't seem to hit the search word combination
so that I can find them again.

Can you advise

I would also like to add the one line to the file so that it specifically
loads IE instead of the users default browser. Is this possible?

Thank You
Kevin





From jjsteele22 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 23 17:32:00 2001
From: jjsteele22 at yahoo.com (jon steele)
Date: Sat Jun 23 17:32:00 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFTRANSACTION
Message-ID: <20010623222838.69829.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>

Is this correct usage of CFTRANSACTION? I get a "Last tag in cftry must
be cfcatch", but in the documentation, in the example, the last tag
their is cftransaction...so I'm confused. Also, do I need any
<cftransaction action="commit"> tags? What I basically need is either
all pages are run with no errors or none are run.

<cftry>
<cftransaction>
 	<cfinclude template="q_file1.cfm">
<cfcatch type="Any"><cftransaction action="ROLLBACK" /></cfcatch>
	<cfinclude template="q_file2.cfm">
<cfcatch type="Any"><cftransaction action="ROLLBACK" /></cfcatch>
	<cfinclude template="q_file3.cfm">
<cfcatch type="Any"><cftransaction action="ROLLBACK" /></cfcatch>
	<cfinclude template="q_file4.cfm">
<cfcatch type="Any"><cftransaction action="ROLLBACK" /></cfcatch>
</cftransaction>
</cftry>

Thanks,
Jon.

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From ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 23 20:03:16 2001
From: ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com (ahmad kt)
Date: Sat Jun 23 20:03:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] بخصوص الرسائل التي في بريدي
Message-ID: <F212QztQoPAzdaQYrVj00014388@hotmail.com>

?????? ????? ????? ???? ???????
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???? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???????????
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From rob_goodyear at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 23 20:13:16 2001
From: rob_goodyear at yahoo.com (Robert Goodyear)
Date: Sat Jun 23 20:13:16 2001
Subject: [thelist] بخصوص الرسائل التي في بريدي
In-Reply-To: <F212QztQoPAzdaQYrVj00014388@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010624010952.72226.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com>

I think it might be time to block this guy until he figures out charactersets.

/rg
--- ahmad kt <ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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From ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 23 20:19:21 2001
From: ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com (ahmad kt)
Date: Sat Jun 23 20:19:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] بخصوص الرسائل التي في بريدي
Message-ID: <F237fzDskqC5EtrUVYK00013890@hotmail.com>

???? ??????? ??????


>From: Robert Goodyear <rob_goodyear at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thelist] ????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????
>Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 18:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I think it might be time to block this guy until he figures out 
>charactersets.
>
>/rg
>--- ahmad kt <ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > ?????? ????? ????? ???? ???????
> > ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ???? ????????
> > ??? ?? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ????????(lists.evolt.org)
> > ???? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???????????
> > ? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????
> > ????? ???? ??????? ?? ????
> > 
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From ra7al40 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 23 22:09:46 2001
From: ra7al40 at hotmail.com (الرحال الرحال)
Date: Sat Jun 23 22:09:46 2001
Subject: [thelist] بخصوص الرسائل التي في بريدي
Message-ID: <F255Wn3GCIFoPkG0rm300004a62@hotmail.com>

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http://lists.evolt.org
???? ?????? ???  ????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ??????
http://ra7al.com
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http://www.ra7al.com/vb2/index.php
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>From: "ahmad kt" <ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: [thelist] ????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????
>Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 03:59:50 +0300
>
>?????? ????? ????? ???? ???????
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From krr at ix.netcom.com  Sat Jun 23 23:39:56 2001
From: krr at ix.netcom.com (Kevin)
Date: Sat Jun 23 23:39:56 2001
Subject: [thelist] combining scripts popups and tooltips
References: <20010623185208.8AA3CE2A@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <009f01c0fc67$8d01a460$c04ffea9@g8t3t5>

I would like to combine the effects of one script and use
them in conjunction with another.

I have an image map, When I mouseOver any of the
Hot Spots I would Like the image to load into a popup
window similar to a tool tip window. The major reason
for this is that the image map has hot spots along browser
windows edge. And the effect of the larger image off the
mouse cursor really would make a difference.

I have a copy of this script from http://www.bratta.com
that is a great example of using the tool tips. I also have
another script that I use to create popup windows for
images using the onClick event handler.

The popup windows pass the image file and the window
name to the function and load it into the popup.

Now for the main event! ....

I would like to pass the names of the images from the href
tag to a function to load them into the layers created in the
tool tip script and then load the full size image into a full
screen window using the onClick event.

The last part is pretty much done, I just need to figure out why
my image file names isn't passed the way it should.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tool Tips "Bratta.Com" http://home.netcom.com/~krr/toolTips.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The popup script:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
    <!--
var newWindow = null
var newContent =""
function makeNewWindow(file,name) {
 newWindow = window.open("","","fullscreen,scroll=yes")
}
function subWrite() {
    if (newWindow && !newWindow.closed)newWindow.close();

  makeNewWindow();
  }
 newContent+= '<html>\n<head>\n<title>Untitled<\/title>\n'
 newContent+= '<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" TYPE="text\/javascript">\n\n'
 newContent+= '<!-- \n'
 newContent+= 'function closeMe() {\n'
 newContent+= ' window.close();\n'
 newContent+= ' }\n\n'
 newContent+= '//-->\n'
 newContent+= '<\/SCRIPT>\n'
 newContent+= '<\/head>\n\n<body bgcolor="purple">\n\n'
 newContent+= '<table>\n<tr>\n<th>\n\n'
 newContent+= '<a href="javascript:(0)void" onClick="closeMe()">\n'
 newContent+= '\n\n'
 newContent+= '<\/a>\n</th>\n</tr>\n</table>\n\n<\/body>\n<\/html>\n'

 newWindow.document.open();
 newWindow.document.write(newContent);
 newWindow.document.close() // close layout stream
 newWindow = null
 // reset newWindow value to null, this is necesary to allow the window to
be reopened
}
    -- ></script>
</head>
<body>
<a href="javascript:void(0)"
onClick="subWrite('contactSheet1.jpg','newWindow')">
click here
</a>




From xslf at xslf.com  Sun Jun 24 02:22:07 2001
From: xslf at xslf.com (Shoshannah Forbes)
Date: Sun Jun 24 02:22:07 2001
Subject: [thelist] =?iso-8859-1?B?UmU6IFt0aGVsaXN0XSDIztXm1SDH4dHTx8bhIMfhyu0g3e0gyNHtz+0=?=
References: <20010624010952.72226.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e901c0fc7d$ec33c060$6a0a0a0a@xslf>

I think his Email was in Arabic. Since I don't know how to read that
language, I can't tell what was written.
Here is a screen shot of the proper Arabic:
http://planet.nana.co.il/xslf/misc/ara_mail.gif

It would be nice to get a translation :)
Shosh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Goodyear" <rob_goodyear at yahoo.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] ????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????


> I think it might be time to block this guy until he figures out
charactersets.
>







From evolt at georgedillon.com  Sun Jun 24 03:45:57 2001
From: evolt at georgedillon.com (George Dillon)
Date: Sun Jun 24 03:45:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] What is a good analogy for email aliases? 
References: <20010623101333.39209C46@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <002f01c0fc89$9fb2fb00$9e0d2cc3@athlon800>

It's like putting FAO on a fax or a letter.  Makes no difference to the
place the letter goes to, just helps it on its way to the right desk when it
gets there, depending on the way the recipient has set up their incoming
mail sorting and forwarding.

HTH

George Dillon




From evolt at georgedillon.com  Sun Jun 24 04:03:42 2001
From: evolt at georgedillon.com (George Dillon)
Date: Sun Jun 24 04:03:42 2001
Subject: [thelist] How to decrease the height of the form table 
References: <20010623185208.8AA3CE2A@relay.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <003d01c0fc8c$151829e0$9e0d2cc3@athlon800>

> To my opinion, it is not a good idea to put heights and widths on your
> tables. I never do. Just put your content in it and let the browser decide
> how much space you need.

Cough! Splutter!

Fast-loading/compliant pages not your thing, Eveline? ;)

2 issues, Navin.  Whitespace inside the table cell and position of the form
tags.

To eliminate the whitespace make sure you have nothing (i.e. no line
returns) after your <TD> tag and before your </TD>.

To eliminate the extra height created by the form tags, put them OUTSIDE the
table cell tags.

Thus:

<TABLE BORDER="1" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" BGCOLOR="#9CB6D6">

<TR>

<FORM NAME="cascade" ACTION="#variables.url_unsecure#/index.cfm">

<TD WIDTH="500" HEIGHT="10">Product Categories:
<SELECT NAME="selList1" SIZE="1" onchange="fillSel(this)"
CLASS="mold_nav_dd">
<OPTION VALUE="selList27">Vulcanising</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="selList28">Wax Injectors</OPTION>
<OPTION VALUE="selList29">Wax Injection</OPTION>
</SELECT></TD>

</FORM>

</TR>
</TABLE>
</BODY>
</HTML>

HTH

George Dillon





From martin at members.evolt.org  Sun Jun 24 04:09:37 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Sun Jun 24 04:09:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Analog User Session Tracking
Message-ID: <08a2f2908091861PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk>

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Beau Hartshorne wrote on 23/6/01 5:36 pm

>So what meaning has anyone every got out of all those numbers cranked out
>by analog (page requests, requests, etc.)? Is page requests the most
>informative result?

Not really.

With log files and simple analysis, you're in the same place as the
KGB were. They had data on every tiny little aspect of people's lives.
But they were drowning in it, and it was almost impossible to analyse
what *use* it all was.

The thing about page requests is what are you going to *do* with the
information? There's no point in collecting and analysing data if it's
not going to affect your site. And there will be pages you *really*
don't care about. And others which are are really needed by users,
just not very often.

Howabout this for an approach:
Work out what really matter. What activity tells you something 
*useful* about your users? Maybe its registrations. Maybe it's
progress from looking at a product to buying it. Maybe it's registered
users using a 'tell a friend' feature (so you can work out who's a
key nexus of people).

Once you've worked out what's important, log *only that*. Your
analysis will be much easier, and you'll get more useful information
out at the end which will help steer your business decisions.

If it's any comfort, some of the world's largest companies struggle
to get their heads around this too, maybe because WebTrends et
al have oversold themselves.

Cheers
Martin

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From xslf at xslf.com  Sun Jun 24 04:12:37 2001
From: xslf at xslf.com (Shoshannah Forbes)
Date: Sun Jun 24 04:12:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] =?iso-8859-1?B?VGhlIEFyYWJpYyBFbWFpbCAod2FzOiBSZTogW3RoZWxpc3RdIMjO1ebV?=
 =?iso-8859-1?B?IMfh0dPHxuEgx+HK7SDd7SDI0e3P7Sk=?=
References: <20010624010952.72226.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> <00e901c0fc7d$ec33c060$6a0a0a0a@xslf>
Message-ID: <015701c0fc8d$497708e0$6a0a0a0a@xslf>

Well, I got an Arabic-reader here to explain the whole deal.

Apparently, the original sender asked why was he getting email from evolt,
since he does not know English.

The 2nd was an answer that the mail was from the evolt mailing list (with a
URL), and apparently (it is not clear here) the original sender subscribed
somehow from http://www.ra7al.com/ , an Arabic CGI web site.

Very strange. It would be a good idea for the list admins to check into
this.

Shosh from Israel.

<tip author="Shoshannah Forbes">
When building a non-English web site, it is a good idea to mention the
language of the sites that you link to.
</tip>
<tip author="Shoshannah Forbes">
When writing Email/web page which is not in English, make sure to defined
the correct character encoding for the document, so the browser/Email client
can display it correctly (and so the user won't need to guess what language
the document is and change the encoding manually, like I did here)
</tip>
<tip author="Shoshannah Forbes">
NUblog- a very good blog that deals with plenty of international issues on
the web
http://www.contenu.nu/nublog.html
A must read if you want your site to work globally, even if it is in English
only
</tip>



----- Original Message -----
From: "Shoshannah Forbes" <xslf at xslf.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 10:18 AM
Subject: [thelist] Re: [thelist] ????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????


> I think his Email was in Arabic. Since I don't know how to read that
> language, I can't tell what was written.
> Here is a screen shot of the proper Arabic:
> http://planet.nana.co.il/xslf/misc/ara_mail.gif
>
> It would be nice to get a translation :)
> Shosh
>





From martin at members.evolt.org  Sun Jun 24 04:13:47 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Sun Jun 24 04:13:47 2001
Subject: [thelist] RE:Analog User Session Tracking
Message-ID: <003294112091861PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk>

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Eveline Vanhemel wrote on 23/6/01 6:43 pm

>Martin Wrote:
>
>"What many App servers (SiteServer, CF, Broadvision, ATG etc) do is to use
>session cookies to track both unique visitors, and visitor paths through
>the
>site. Note that analysing visitor paths is a nightmare to do if you want
>any
>kind of useful information at the end of it, but it's a nice concept."
>
>This is true but it requires the client to have cookies enabled, so I don't
>vote for that either....

Is that as a user, or as someone who runs a site?

If as a user, do you have a problem with it on almost every site above
the Geocities level you visit? Pretty much every site with a login
feature uses cookies to maintain state (the evolt site does).

If as someone who runs a site and you're worried about users who
don't have cookies on, sure, it's not perfect. Nothing is - there is
magic bullet.

Accept the limitations of that, and recognise that you'll still have
more data with higher reliability than IP tracking.

Cheers
Martin 

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  url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk                 Scotland




From me at charlesw.com  Sun Jun 24 04:14:52 2001
From: me at charlesw.com (Charles Wilson (h))
Date: Sun Jun 24 04:14:52 2001
Subject: [thelist] ColdFusion CFFILE upload
References: <20010623220737.4050.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <020a01c0fc8e$5712cf60$b967b118@cx774589b>

Jon, on my win2k system, I think it uploads to my C:\winnt\temp directory and then moves the file to
the directory is configured to use.

Here is why I think that- because when i upload files, and then reference the #form.fileupload#
field, it gives me a directory on my own pc.

Here's an example:

Processing code: (page was self- submitted with form fields carried through)
CFIF isdefined("form.image1")>
 <CFFILE filefield="form.image1" action="UPLOAD" destination="\\ComputerName\f$\uploads\"
nameconflict="skip">

Here is the display code:
 The file: <strong>#cffile.AttemptedServerFile#</strong> Was saved:
<strong>#CFFILE.FileWasSaved#</strong><br>
 File: #form.image1#<br>

Notice I reference the form field in the last line of the processing code?
Here is the display I get when I upload a file of the same name (different content):

The file: Was saved: NO
File: C:\WINNT\TEMP\ACF689.tmp

The referencing of the uploaded image as a TMP file makes me think NT downloads it to a temp
location and then sends it to the specified directory.  I'd like to know if you find anything more
concrete, so would you post a tip back up to the evolt list, or email me personally? thanks.

-charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "jon steele" <jjsteele22 at yahoo.com>



> Just a quick question: If I set the CFFILE upload tag's namconflict to
> "SKIP" like this:
>
> <cffile action="UPLOAD" filefield="formfield"
> destination="#destination#" nameconflict="SKIP">
>
> Does it upload the file first, then check for nameconflict, or check
> for the conflict first? This is because rather large files are to be
> uploaded, and I was wondering if I needed a manual check to see if a
> file exists, so time isn't wasted.
>
> Thanks,
> Jon.





From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Sun Jun 24 04:14:57 2001
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Sun Jun 24 04:14:57 2001
Subject: [thelist] More Smart Tags
In-Reply-To: <002a01c0fb2b$2cdcb080$0b646464@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAKEIGFCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>

<snip>worth the time...</snip>

It certainly is.

I am dumbfounded.  Microsoft strikes again.

Smart tags are pure evil.

I like freedom of thought, I tolerate advertising, I hate pressure sales.

I really, really like to draw my own conclusions when reading anything.
I also like to know whose opinions I am getting when I read commentary.

In short I like to make up my own mind.

I'm technically savvy enough to turn off stuff I don't like, but millions of
users aren't.

Smart tags are the equivalent of writing notes in library books, or worse,
writing notes in books in bookshops, that you don't own, before you buy
them.

I get a book, I like to read it through my own *experience window*.  If I
want a review I like to know who wrote it.

If I wrote a book I'd be livid if every copy sold had anonymous notes in it,
wouldn't you?

I build web sites for a living, the idea of trying to sell a site to a
commercial customer that can be grafitti'd by an anonymous competitor is
outrageous.

Imagine trying to sell anything from your e-commerce site when every product
has a link to another competing product, right there on the page!

Smart Tags stink.

Bury them now!

<meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE">


Oooh I'm mad now.............







From martin at members.evolt.org  Sun Jun 24 04:16:37 2001
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Sun Jun 24 04:16:37 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Users: Problems viewing RTF
Message-ID: <0b0ff2815091861PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk>

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>Big problem: When a Mac user sends me RTF file, all the " and ' marks are
>replaced with strange ASCII characters. I have to do a find & replace and
>re-upload the file.  OK, I can live with that, but when a Mac visitor reads
>the file, all of the ' (apostrophe) marks are reportedly missing.

Something to check - are they simple ' and " marks or are they curly
quotes? Check in both directions between Mac & Win.

Cheers
Martin

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From an4x at amjad.cc  Sun Jun 24 05:18:43 2001
From: an4x at amjad.cc (aboallil)
Date: Sun Jun 24 05:18:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] =?windows-1256?B?1N/Rxw==?=
Message-ID: <GBEDLBNJAMBCNLJEINJFCEAECAAA.an4x@amjad.cc>

???? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ????????
??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????
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an4x at amjad.cc
an4x at hotmail.com




From pkaulbak at idirect.ca  Sun Jun 24 09:57:43 2001
From: pkaulbak at idirect.ca (Peter Kaulback)
Date: Sun Jun 24 09:57:43 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
In-Reply-To: <FMECLBJMNNANMCDHHNKHAEOOCKAA.arthur@arthurnoel.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010624104724.01b18130@mail.idirect.ca>

In the wee hour of 06:14 AM 6/23/01 +0100, Arthur Noel bequeathed such 
tales as these:
>Hello Everybody,
>
>I'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -
>good/bad/indifferent? I'd also be very interested to hear what it looks like
>on a mac since I don't have access to one myself.
>
>Many thanks,
>Arthur

Arthur, the site is very clean and fast (8 seconds or less per page on 56k) 
on win98 IE 5.5, NN 6.1, Opera 5.11. In Opera none of the photo's in the 
new windows would show.  And I really like your NN 4x page too.  All in all 
I really enjoyed your site.  Best of luck in all your endeavors.
Peter Kaulback




From gozz at gozz.com  Sun Jun 24 11:43:29 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Sun Jun 24 11:43:29 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Users: Problems viewing RTF
In-Reply-To: <007c01c0fc25$f1a0a340$0de87bd5@sabrina>
References: <007c01c0fc25$f1a0a340$0de87bd5@sabrina>
Message-ID: <p04310100b75bc2674005@[192.168.1.100]>

>Small problem: the files are not opening in the browser; they're being
>downloaded to some destination on the visitor's HD.  Is there a standard
>path I could point Mac users to in order to find their downloads?

For both Netscape and IE the default download in the desktop.

>Big problem: When a Mac user sends me RTF file, all the " and ' marks are
>replaced with strange ASCII characters. I have to do a find & replace and
>re-upload the file.  OK, I can live with that, but when a Mac visitor reads
>the file, all of the ' (apostrophe) marks are reportedly missing.

I've seen that a lot when things are pasted into email - but just 
saved a .rtf file in Windows Word 97 and opened it in Mac Word 98 and 
the apostrophe (curly single quote) came through fine. Are the people 
having problems opening it in AppleWorks or another text editor? 
Could we see an example?

-- 

- Erik Mattheis

Wants to see a flying saucer.

(612) 827 3963



From gozz at gozz.com  Sun Jun 24 12:22:44 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Sun Jun 24 12:22:44 2001
Subject: [thelist] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=BB=91=27=CA=27?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=AB=B7=2D=22=AB=90=B7?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=AB=B7?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=CC?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F0=CC?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=BB=2D=CC=A6=CC?=
In-Reply-To: <F237fzDskqC5EtrUVYK00013890@hotmail.com>
References: <F237fzDskqC5EtrUVYK00013890@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p04310101b75bcc4c92f8@[192.168.1.100]>

Ahmad,

<html lang="en">

</ mailto: ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com?subject=[thelist]*> :

1. http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thelist

2. Unsubscribing from the list / options
<input type="text" value="ahmadkt01 at hotmail.com"><input type="submit" 
value="Edit Options">

3. Password: <input type="password" value="******"><input 
type="submit" value="Unsubscribe">

</ mailto:>

-- 

- Erik Mattheis

Wants to see a flying saucer.

(612) 827 3963



From sfmalo at email.msn.com  Sun Jun 24 13:45:54 2001
From: sfmalo at email.msn.com (sfmalo)
Date: Sun Jun 24 13:45:54 2001
Subject: [thelist] PDFs and Netscape 6.01
Message-ID: <015b01c0fcc3$df53b080$b9241b3f@oemcomputer>

Awhile back, I queried the List about PDFs not opening in Netscape 6.01.
Well, I just stumbled upon something yesterday. They do open now but do not
open if you're using Front Page AND you have target="blank" following the
PDF filename. Bizarre. I just removed several target="blank" statements from
a client's FP site, and all their PDFs now open. The only thing I can't
figure out when testing is that when I click on a PDF file link (on either a
hand-coded site or FP site), my computer uses Adobe Acrobat 4.0 to open the
files, rather than my Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Will be posting this to the FPlist as well for their information/input.

Head lolling to one side,
Sharon
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sharon F. Malone
"web design and Internet writing services"
http://www.24caratdesign.com




From wilma at pwim.com  Sun Jun 24 15:57:35 2001
From: wilma at pwim.com (Wilma Schuller)
Date: Sun Jun 24 15:57:35 2001
Subject: [thelist] site critique request
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010624104724.01b18130@mail.idirect.ca>
Message-ID: <001401c0fcef$e1a5d9e0$5183303f@wilma>

Arthur wrote:
 >I'd like you to give me your opinion on http://nictucker.com -
 >good/bad/indifferent? I'd also be very interested to hear what
it looks like
 >on a mac since I don't have access to one myself.


Wow, what a great site!  Very clean, lots of attention to detail
(such as the perfectly sized pop-ups which close on blur).  The
artist's work has center stage.

I bookmarked this one :-)

Wilma






From sabrina.dent at appercept.co.uk  Sun Jun 24 17:23:06 2001
From: sabrina.dent at appercept.co.uk (Sabrina Dent, Apperception)
Date: Sun Jun 24 17:23:06 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Users: Problems viewing RTF
Message-ID: <015101c0fcfa$370d0e80$0de87bd5@sabrina>

Cheers, Martin, cheers, Erik :o)

Martin said:
> Something to check - are they simple ' and " marks or are they curly
> quotes? Check in both directions between Mac & Win.

Well, I'm not 100% sure what you're asking, but the RTF file's font is
Verdana, so they look like regular non-serif  quote marks and apostrophes to
me.

A user reports that "Come on, Jeannie, its for my birthday!" reads as:

 ?Come on, Jeannie, its for my birthday.?

Erik said:

> For both Netscape and IE the default download in the desktop

OK, I guess if you can't find a file on your desktop, you need more help
than I do :o) Same user reports having to drag the file to his Clarisworks
folder to get them to "open/convert."

> Could we see an example?

Umm. Sure. Just know that the site isn't live yet, so it's a bit of a mess.

http://www.satinslippers.com/forums/links_showall.asp?cat_id=26&parent_id=2&
parent_name=Erotica&sub_name=Lesbian

Choose the first entry in that section, "Latent Image" which is the one with
the ASCII characters for quote marks I noted above.

Finally, another Mac user reports she can't upload files because even though
they're .rtf the upload dialogue tells her "they're the wrong file type."  I
have no idea how to help this woman.

If anyone wants to be arsed to test upload off a Mac, there's an account
with the username "evolt" and password "evolt" (all no quotes).  Uploading
anywhere is fine.

Many, many thanks,
--Sabrina




From me at charlesw.com  Sun Jun 24 19:21:31 2001
From: me at charlesw.com (Charles Wilson (h))
Date: Sun Jun 24 19:21:31 2001
Subject: [thelist] [OT]Can I use the tip harvester code/ or be given some hints how it is implemented?
References: <20010624010952.72226.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> <00e901c0fc7d$ec33c060$6a0a0a0a@xslf> <015701c0fc8d$497708e0$6a0a0a0a@xslf>
Message-ID: <00b601c0fd0d$0223d9c0$b967b118@cx774589b>

I'm developing a small community design site with friends to help inspire each other- and the tip
harvester for Evolt.org is a great tool.

I checked http://lists.evolt.org but couldn't find any more information on how evolt implemented the
Tip Harvester; could one of the admins contact me and either:
1. Tell me it is a secret
2. Tell me it is a secret and move me in the right direction (implemented with perl/ php/
coldfusion, on what type of server..)

Thats really just what I am interested in.


-charles wilson

<tip type="Sitemap planning" author="lists at charlesw.com">

Microsoft's Visio is great for mapping out ideas, workflows and sitemaps- at a price.

SmartDraw has a ton of features- I used it today to brainstorm a site, and only $100.
http://www.smartdraw.com/order/

-Also, I have no connection with the company.-
</tip>





From gozz at gozz.com  Sun Jun 24 20:58:11 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Sun Jun 24 20:58:11 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Users: Problems viewing RTF
In-Reply-To: <015101c0fcfa$370d0e80$0de87bd5@sabrina>
References: <015101c0fcfa$370d0e80$0de87bd5@sabrina>
Message-ID: <p04310100b75c3dc4055f@[192.168.1.100]>

Just downloaded a story ... a few weird things:

>OK, I guess if you can't find a file on your desktop, you need more help
>than I do :o) Same user reports having to drag the file to his Clarisworks
>folder to get them to "open/convert."

In Netscape 4.7 Mac, the first time I clicked a link to a story, a 
new browser window opened and I was prompted to save the file in the 
Netcape folder. Second and third times, everything worked fine. Weird 
... I have my computer set to use the "folder set by application" 
which is the default.

>  > Could we see an example?
>
>Umm. Sure. Just know that the site isn't live yet, so it's a bit of a mess.
>
>http://www.satinslippers.com/forums/links_showall.asp?cat_id=26&parent_id=2&
>parent_name=Erotica&sub_name=Lesbian
>
>Choose the first entry in that section, "Latent Image" which is the one with
>the ASCII characters for quote marks I noted above.

Two Horrible things happen for me in IE 5 Mac:

The file is always saved as links_goto.asp.

Second thing might have been because I had messed with the file 
helper preferences, but don't remember doing so: The file was saved 
with my default text editor as it's creator (BBEdit) ... I changed 
the setting for TEXT/richtext to open in Word (it's still saved as 
links_goito.asp though).

Maybe someone else who is sure they haven't changed these settings 
can check what the file helper for TEXT/richtext is.

>Finally, another Mac user reports she can't upload files because even though
>they're .rtf the upload dialogue tells her "they're the wrong file type."  I
>have no idea how to help this woman.
>
>If anyone wants to be arsed to test upload off a Mac, there's an account
>with the username "evolt" and password "evolt" (all no quotes).  Uploading
>anywhere is fine.

What she saw was most likely "File Type Not Allowed" - perhaps you 
should add to this something like "the last four letters of your 
story's file name must be a period followed by one of the following: 
DOC, RTF or TXT"

(On Mac, the application that owns the file is determined by the 
filetype/creator and you don't have to have an extension - all the 
major word processing apps for Mac do not save the file with it's 
extension, so most Mac users are going to name their files without 
one.)
-- 

- Erik Mattheis

Wants to see a flying saucer.

(612) 827 3963



From gozz at gozz.com  Sun Jun 24 21:00:26 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Sun Jun 24 21:00:26 2001
Subject: [thelist] Mac Users: Problems viewing RTF
In-Reply-To: <015101c0fcfa$370d0e80$0de87bd5@sabrina>
References: <015101c0fcfa$370d0e80$0de87bd5@sabrina>
Message-ID: <p04310101b75c4aae0e38@[192.168.1.100]>

PS - all punctuation looked fine in Word.

At 11:08 PM +0100 6/24/01, Sabrina Dent, Apperception wrote:
>Choose the first entry in that section, "Latent Image" which is the one with
>the ASCII characters for quote marks I noted above.
-- 

- Erik Mattheis

Wants to see a flying saucer.

(612) 827 3963



From isaac at members.evolt.org  Sun Jun 24 21:29:21 2001
From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac)
Date: Sun Jun 24 21:29:21 2001
Subject: [thelist] More Smart Tags
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLLOGKNBIKOOOOAJAKEIGFCAA.tonyc@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CKEIJNPMACBAAGMEBNNIAEIGCJAA.isaac@members.evolt.org>



'There is no doubt that "smart tags" are useful.' Jakob Nielsen.


> Smart tags are pure evil.

If you think smart tags are "pure evil", I'd be interested in your opinion
on the Taliban, or something slightly more serious than Microsoft's
implementation of "implicit linking". I think that you might be
over-reacting slightly.

> I like freedom of thought, I tolerate advertising, I hate pressure sales.

You have the choice to use a browser besides IE6, or to disable its smart
tag feature.

> Smart tags are the equivalent of writing notes in library books, or worse,
> writing notes in books in bookshops, that you don't own, before you buy
> them.

I believe you are incorrect. Smart tags could be more closely likened to
adding notes to your own copy of a book or newspaper. It's happening on your
own screen, on your own computer. These additions can be removed by choice
whenever you'd like. As the owner of a site, you can also specify that you'd
prefer that users didn't add their own (or Microsoft's) notes to your
content. Publishers and authors of printed books do not have this luxury.
They allow the user the choice of a pristine copy, or the ability to add
notes.

> I get a book, I like to read it through my own *experience window*.  If I
> want a review I like to know who wrote it.

Don't use IE6, or disable smart tags.
Other users will have the same choice.

> If I wrote a book I'd be livid if every copy sold had anonymous
> notes in it, wouldn't you?

If users preferred the version with additional content, that is their
choice. Not "every copy" will have the added notes.

> I build web sites for a living, the idea of trying to sell a site to a
> commercial customer that can be grafitti'd by an anonymous competitor is
> outrageous.

Add the meta tag to stop smart tags effecting your content.

> Smart Tags stink.
> Bury them now!

Smart tags have a lot of potential. The current implementation is not ideal.

Here are some notes from Jakob Nielsen:

---
(June 8, 2001) The debate about the "smart tags" in Internet Explorer
overlooks the history of this feature (which automatically adds links to
certain words when displayed in the browser). In hypertext theory, this is
known as implicit links and is quite a useful feature. Long before the Web,
the InterLex system provided links from any word to a dictionary and the
Video Linguist allowed language students to link to translations of words in
foreign-video subtitles. More recently, several browser-add-ons have
provided implicit links on the Web, such as the ability to link from a
company name to a stock quote pulled from a different site or to perform a
query for the term on Google.
There is no doubt that "smart tags" are useful.
---

Jakob adds that he has two issues with the current implementation. One is
that the squiggly underline is too intrusive; the smart-tagged words should
become visible when the user holds down a modifier key. His other issue is
that, currently, destinations are Microsoft-preferred properties.

The latter should change with time as third-parties add their own smart tags
to the library available to users.


For a while I thought that this implementation would be much improved if
sites had to "opt-in" rather than opt-out. But forcing the "opt-in" removes
power from the users. Users currently have the choice to print web pages -
imagine if sites had to add a meta-tag to opt-in to this feature?

More recent browsers are allowing users to override hardcoded stylesheet
font-sizing. Imagine if this was opt-in also? Tough luck to those who
struggle to read small-type, because some people want to ensure that their
site has tiny text, *no matter what*. Is that an issue of integrity? Some
authors may wish to specify that their text is in a certain font-size
regardless of the preferences of the user.

Smart tags and similar technology allow and will allow users to search their
preferred engine (google has a bookmarklet which does this I believe) by
right-clicking or selecting a word. It will allow non-English speakers to
gradually learn more by linking difficult words to dictionary.com, or
educate newbies by linking technical terms to a site like whatis.com.


Recent unofficial releases from Microsoft suggest that smart tags will be
definitely off by default (they've been enabled in betas for testing
purposes). Users will not be able to override the decision by site owners to
disallow smart tags. Also, the recognisers which place the links to
Microsoft-preferred sites will not be installed by default. When users
choose to enable smart tags, they browse a gallery of recognisers and choose
those that they'd like to use (the MSN recogniser, one provided by
dictionary.com, whatis.com, etc).

One addition which I think would assist their implementation is disclosure
of smart tag ownership. This screenshot of a smart tag in action
(http://www.scripting.com/images/smarttagsByScoble.gif) suggests that the
pop-up is branded with the MSN style, but it could easily be more
distinctive and obvious. ie, "Information provided by Microsoft", or:

---
	Company News (on MSNBC.com)
	Stock Quote (on someMSstocksite.com)
	Official site (microsoft.com)
	Company Report (on MSN.com)
---

Is there anything in this approach which you consider distinctly unfair?


isaac

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