matt, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Warden, Matt > > Thanks Raymond. Unfortunately, I can't change the default > value because quite a bit of code depends on that default > value being numeric. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< if you're relying on it being numeric, then Val() it. if it's an emptry string, it will Val() to 0. <cfif NOT Val(url.foo)> <!--- string is empty or equal to zero. ---> </cfif> good luck, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/