use padding at the bottom one way i use is: body{padding-bottom:500;} more or less Russell Griechen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerenday, Perry (P.)" <pgerenda at visteon.com> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [thelist] Scroll Bars not showing up