I think this is the most important consideration. MSN is probably not the same portion of Microsoft that creates the browser. MSN and IE are very separate parts of a large company. MSN is not just a site that promotes IE, it is used by many people for email, news, and so on. Yanking competing browsers by name off their site shows a pretty big conflict of interest. As much as we might like IE because it makes our lives as web developers easier, competition is usually a healthy thing. Without competition, maybe we'd all be using lynx today. I, for one, am not interested in a world where Microsoft gets to define the standards (think J++, the scrolling marquee tag, and so on). People rightfully objected to this blatant ploy by Microsoft, and I'm thankful that they retreated. <tip type="coldfusion"> At a session at DevCon, I learned that cfscript can be up to 20% faster than using functions within ColdFusion tags. </tip> -----Original Message----- From: John Meyer [SMTP:john_meyer at geocities.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:11 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers In an added note, we know that the art site isn't trying to push its own browser out the door, like Microsoft is.