It wont be long and we'll all be spending M$dollars. I personally think its time for bill to take a valium and chill. This move has nothing to do with compat me. ----- Original Message ----- From: profjj <thelist at cbizz.net> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers > Mr. Forsberg, > > This was for jeff, however ~~> > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~>> > :From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > :[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Forsberg > :Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:14 PM > :To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > :Subject: RE: [thelist] MSN locks out non IE browsers > : > :Hi Jeff > : > :>and if they choose to guarantee that browsers that'll make their site look > :>"fucked up" can't see the site at all, that's their right. > : > :Guy walks into a menswear store -- "I want to try on those shoes" -- > :"I'm sorry sir, those are Patrick Cox shoes, and you're wearing red > :socks. I'm afraid I can't let you do that." > : > :Sure the shoes would look wrong on red socks, but a punter's a > :punter. The punter is there because they're interested in some > :Microsoft product, or Microsoft-related product / service. It doesn't > :make good business sense to turn people away, IMHO. > : > :>pop quiz: what software vendor makes the most software for the mac? > : > :Before or after Microsoft bought a very large number of Apple shares? > :And, being picky, is it 'the most software' or 'the largest Mac > :development team outside Apple itself.' Either way, the logic of this > :is clear to me -- the logic behind, and supposed benefits of, > :actively blocking users escapes me entirely. > : > :> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > :> > True, but there are better ways of letting me know than > :>> completely blocking me out. > :>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > :> > :>not if they want to prevent the site from being displayed in a messed up > :>manner. how would you do it? > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~>> > > :<~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~>: > :The site's db backed? The developers are using templates? Errrrr: > :provide an alternate template that doesn't look like shite for > :non-compliant browsers? Just like the rest of us would if we couldn't > :be bothered coding it to look ok in the preferred template. :) > :<~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~> <~>: > > Firstly, designing to accomodate other sites ~ no designer loves that, and > in ms's case, what's the point, when they have other things to take care of. > The simplest thing to do is design for their own browser. > > Not to be abrupt, but if I don't want a certain browser/s to view my site, > then that's my choice.(It's my site - the same way that at the end of the > day what i say goes). The main reason that the ability exists means that > hey, it's there to be used when necessary (I not killing anyone by using > it), if they wanna use my site, adhere to my rules. > > My point, - if you're going to a party, and the dress code is /*formal*/ - > you turn up in shorts, slippers, and a vest. Will you get upset when you > are not admitted? > > Same here, the site is MS's website, they want you to view it with certain > browser/s, that's their choice. If nobody likes that they have options, buy > msn and call the shots, or just don't go there. Do you have to lose by not > going to msn.com? > > tx, > > [[:profjj:]] > file://* http://cbizz.net *// > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~>> > :Andrew Forsberg > :--- > :uberNET - http://uber.net.nz/ > :the pander - http://thepander.co.nz/ > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~<~>~~~~~~~~~~>> > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !