try playing with pvii's AutoLayers tutorial [ http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/menuing/mcloser/index.htm ] Cross-browser (yes, Opera too), resize-friendly (no absolute positioning necessary), all needed files and excellent explanations included. The "positioning a dhtml menu" question also came up awhile back on tek-tips [ http://www.tek-tips.com/gfaqs.cfm/lev2/4/lev3/31/spid/726/sfid/929 ] in relation to Macromedia's Fireworks 4 wizard-produced dhtml menus. p.s. thanks for the warm welcome, rory _________________________________________ David Fields | http://www.spinplate.com/doc/