everybody else seems to be announcing this, we may as well join the fun... apologies if somebody has already mentioned it here on thelist the internet wayback machine has archived pages from the internet from, like, way back... http://www.archive.org/index.html for example, here's evolt's home page from october 1999 -- http://web1.archive.org/web/19991012050201/http://evolt.org/ rudy