[thelist] IE - The claret (white dotted line) on clickable images

[Shirley Kaiser, SKDesigns]

Paul,

Yeah, I know it's a tough spot to be in. I'm sure all of us are stuck doing 
things we don't agree with.

I've had a couple of clients be insistent on things that I've clearly 
advised them is against their best interest, and to such an extent that I 
knew it would damage their sales, their site visitors, accessibility 
issues, etc. In those cases I asked them to sign a disclaimer that I've 
explained these things to them and they understand the ramifications of 
moving forward on what they wish to do. Neither of them went ahead and 
signed the disclaimer and went forward.

That may be a drastic thing, and I actually had no idea the first time that 
it would make such an impact on them changing their minds, but it did. And 
it was done in a very friendly, understanding way, too.

Sometimes people get on these ideas like a moving freight train and there's 
no stopping them, and they just don't listen to any kind of reason.

Warmly,
Shirley

At 09:08 AM 11/22/2001, you wrote:
>Lemur - yeh i know abotu defautl browsers - always program for browser
>defaults - but if the client does specify something (even after we have
>informed them that this is going to change the way a majority will view) you
>have to please them
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>[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of the head lemur
>Sent: 22 November 2001 17:00
>To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thelist] IE - The claret (white dotted line) on clickable
>images
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> > does anyone know how to get rid of the white dotted line on images that
>are
> > clickable when you click on them in IE - i need some sort of code for it -
>a
> > customer doesn't like it - i tried to explain thats its just the way it
>is -
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>Since you are building the client a website, we can assume a baseline greed
>factor. Management is looking to make more money. This is normal.  A website
>is a cost effective medium to do this. They are looking to increase sales
>and/or reduce their overhead in support for their products/services.
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>The short snappy answer is to load Netscape on his machine.
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>What part of accessibility is your client having a problem with?
>The legal ramifications of Section 508 in the US, the Disability
>Discrimination Act in the UK, and others? The white dotted line is an
>accessibility "feature". It may not be the best implementation, but there
>you go.
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>Is his product/service one that will only have applicability to broadband
>connected, college educated, white folks who earn in excess of $80,000 bucks
>a year?
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>Changing 'Default' browser behaviours is dangerous, for a number of reasons.
>Over half the folks on the web have been here less than 12 months, use it
>less than 10 hours a month, and will not spend a lot of time on sites that
>don't work.
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>You usually end up creating a scripted solution that works in only one
>browser, necessitating  multiple versions, @import tricks, and if the
>'features' are disabled on the visitor end, such as turning off javascript,
>activeX, java, if the visitor has enabled their own style sheet, or if they
>are using any other browser, all of your solution is down the drain.
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>Bottom Line:
>The further away from default browser behaviours you go, the smaller your
>clients opportunities to save money on support, or to increase sales.
>
>the head lemur
>Web Standards
>http://www.webstandards.org
>Evolt
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>lemurzone
>http://www.lemurzone.com
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