[thelist] Jumping In With Both Feet

martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com
Wed Dec 12 03:47:12 CST 2001


Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers

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To:   thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject:  RE: [thelist] Jumping In With Both Feet


>Martin:
>>> In any way which users actually care about? I've yet to see a CSS site
>>> which would really impact the users by using tables.

>Presentation, are you saying that CSS doesn't help you at in making a site
>look better, look slick, make the user feel like he/she is in a friendly
>environment???

Correct. The amount you can do with recent browsers' capabilities isn't
a significant difference compared to writing, editing, basic layout - none
of which depend on CSS.

>We can go into psychology if you want - how a human reacts in different
>environments.

Sure, and what's the threshold for being significantly different?

>>> Sorry paul, that doesn't hold up as an argument "Some people say
>>> it's better, so it must be!"

>Not my argument at all, I was basically saying why are people making new
>upgrades if they dont improve you systems in some way,

It's a very good question. Other than making life easier for developers, I
don't really see much of a point now.

>it makes no sense to
>make a product thats worse than the one you released before - example NS 3
-
>then the dissappointing NS 4

Yes, back in the days when there *was* some significant user difference
(but
not much). And remember when NS4 was released and how different the
consumer
web market was then.

>- hence why IE 4 grabbed the market because its
>competitor had screwed up

More to do with Windows installs than actual choice - note the recent
anti-trust
case.

>> If there is a speed difference, it's not significant compared with other
>> factors such as speed of machine and connection. Most users blame
>> the site/their connection if the page downloads slowly.

>Yes this is true - surely you must see some benefit to upgrading at least
>once!

Upgraded browser for reasons of speed? Nope, never. It's just not enough
of a difference.

Cheers
Martin


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