I don't know why, but over the past week, there has been a blatant disregard about off-topic posting to this list. Including a TIP in your post doesn't make it OK for you to post offtopic. A TIP should only be used when you roam offtopic from an *ONTOPIC* thread, not for when you just want to post some sort of bullshit. Ok? Don't cheapen them. Second, if you're just posting to thelist to hear yourself talk, or because you think you've got some ultra-super point of view on a subject that everyone should hear, don't. Most of the time, people don't give a shit about you waxing poetic. If someone asks a question, it's not your place to go off on a tangent about how they're doing something wrong, or why you think what they're asking about is inaccessable/wrong/whatever. I've been guilty of it to in the last Flash thread, which is a good example. If you've just gotta get your opinion out there, write it up as an article and submit it to evolt's Commentary section. If you have a bone to pick with someone, flame them offlist. Don't *EVER* include religion/politics/abortion matters in a post to this list. No tip makes up for that. If you think you've got something to say, send it to thechat list http://lists.evolt.org/listinfo/thechat - NOT here. If I start seeing people including little religous barbs or similar behavior like Scott does below, I'll start holding posts from you, plain and simple. Ok? Read the archives before you post. http://lists.evolt.org/archive - this goes for old timers too. 3 years of web development talk is there for you to use, and chances are your question has already been answered.. Twice. This isn't a bulliten board. It's not IRC or an IM. It's a web development mailing list thats *damn* good. Do your part to keep it that way. For new folks, welcome. I'm not usually this cranky, and we're not usually this offtopic. Excuse both, and welcome to thelist :) If you have questions about posting to thelist, please read http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/listinfo or contact me directly. .djc. Scott Shou wrote: >>church >> > bwahahaha, i'm blessedly atheist, and proud of it. Don't even get me started > on religion. Btw, how does YOUR church feel about the recent newsweek > article about pedophiliacs and the church? Nick Wilson wrote: > er... is there more than the internet? > kids, church? What are those? Nick Wilson wrote: > I go the bathroom a fair amount somedays, should I schedule it?