And Olly didth spake: > ...and in the case of UltraDev, ASP code, > it can produce a hell of a lot of code. +1^x on that one... I've dropped pages to 20% their original size (in Kb) just by re-writing a simple database insert. The ASP code is amazingly bullet-proof, but that also makes it about as bloated as a dead whale... Time to call in the Oregon State Highway Division! <grin> -Ken