Hi all Stupid msxml woes aside (and I can seem to run Joe Clarke's stuff either, so it must be my pc...), I was just reading up on the HTML Map element. The W3C says that it can be used to group navigational elements together (not just image maps). http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#group-bypass (the accessibility stuff) http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#edef-MAP (the spec stuff) I've never seen this used anywhere other than for image maps - is there a reason for this? Are there any pros and cons to this? Cheers Francis