> idiots > > and you can tell them i said that but their tutorials are pretty good, i hasten to add <tip type="searching"> the more keywords in the search string, the better for example, the top ten hits for http://google.com/search?q=frames%20cookies%20javascript are from webreference.com webdeveloper.com developer.netscape.com hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey jsworkshop.com javascriptworld.com tech.irt.org webtraining.infoworld.com kosmoi.com/WD/JavaScript/ </tip> rudy