Kevin, You should read the Alistapart article "To Hell With Bad Browsers" of 16 Feb 2001. It gives the (strong!) editorial position of their staff on NS 4 and other older, non-compliant browsers. It is well worth reading even if you don't agree with it. Mike ironmike at inav.net Kevin wrote: >> A good article on this very topic at Alistapart: >> http://www.alistapart.com/stories/emen/index.html > > That article looks hideous in NS4. (o: > > The stuff suggested certainly doesn't degrade gracefully.