On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 03:47 PM, Andrew Forsberg wrote: [clip] what a retard i am... sorry about the double up mail. <tip type="php data modeling, sql builder, pear"> my latest, happiest-making find: http://pear.php.net/manual/en/packages.database.db-dataobject.php having to manually install the package is slightly annoying, but it's nice to play around with a well thought out automagic sql builder ... 'n it knows where your joins are. nice. </tip>