The damage is done now, but thanks. I'll remember it for next time. Here is the result of my newbie hacking. A huge gap if someone doesn¹t have flash installed..... Maybe consider using Moock's FPI, more info here: http://www.moock.org/webdesign/flash/detection/moockfpi/ *I know you still need javascript* but its often better than a blank/broken icon. Congratulations on your flash work, its confusing to begin with! Benjer