> it seems to me that centering up and down, and bottom alignment > of elements is not very well supported among most browsers? not sure if this will help you, chris, but joe gillespie has a technique for vertical centering http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/wpd0103.htm#toptip hat tip: Craig Saila's Living Can Kill You (a superb blog) http://www.saila.com/columns/lcky/ rudy