> I've been pulling my hair out on this one, I've been setting height on > tables/td elements still to no avail (I've given up on centering it on the > page vertically - one small design issue for nn4 I can live with). Benjer, I'm afraid that NN4.xx has a problem with the height property: http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/dimension/height.htm and http://www.westciv.com.au/style_master/academy/browser_support/page_layout .html and that is not helped by the fact that NN4.xx has difficulties with deciding if a TABLE is an inline or a blocklevel element... (sigh) Additionally, TABLE and TD are notoriously hard to assign styles to (except easy ones like font-family, font-size and similar). -- Sorry to have no better news, MaKo ...just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water... http://www.mako4css.com/ "Benjer" <futureweb at macmail.com> wrote in message news:BA66B842.3872%futureweb at macmail.com...