[thelist] hackers (was complete: hacking contest)

[**1st Vamp**]

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Might I also suggest "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling, which explores both sides of the fence, not
to mention the neighbours backyard. ;)

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Thursday, July 3, 2003, 8:43:51 PM, Dean Mah wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 05:17:36PM +0100, Chris Marsh wrote:

>> Hacking is hacking. End of. Anyone who is genuinely interested in
>> learning something about hackers (NOT how to hack) join the Defcon
>> mailing list. Those with gossamer-spun skins need not apply.

> If you want to look at the origins of hacking, read Steven Levy's book
> "Hackers" which has nothing to do with the movie of the same name.

>    http://mosaic.echonyc.com/~steven/hackers.html

> Levy formalized the "hacker ethic" and shows the evolution of the
> hacker from model train hardware hacking through the game programming
> hackers of the 80s.

> But like all things the concept has evolved and it's too bad that Levy
> hasn't written a follow up and followed it through the 90s where the
> popularized of the Internet and the Web, Open Source, and hacktivism
> has taken place as well as the rise of the malicious hacker.

> Personally, I don't think that hackers need to be anti-social or gurus
> verging on the edge of madness.  Hacking and the hacker ethic to me is
> about being curious about things.  Figuring out how things work.  The
> desire to tear apart or break things so that they can be built better.
> Finding unintended uses for things.  That to me is the core.  Around
> that their are many and varied personalities like in any group of
> people; from RMS to the Woz.  But my view is based on the old ideal
> and listening to "Off the Hook" too much.  :)

> Dean

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