> also, i realize i did use a table on the top navigation - it was the only > way i could keep the outlines the same size for all links ;-) Not too sure how to fix your side navigation, but for your top, there is a way to create that layout in CSS without using tables :) Check out this article for an indepth look at converting your table to CSS: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/taminglists/ ted