apologies for my previous post not wrapping stupid webmail interface actually, stupid me, using long sentences normally i don't okay, so, a tip i call it a "friday freebie" in honour of sgd, a.k.a. dex or scott dexter, one of the original founders of evolt <tip type="sql"> Reserved Words for Various Databases http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=22056&Method=Full </tip> rudy