Keith wrote "Google is your friend! Try "graphical search engine". First hit is http://www.kartoo.com/" Doh, how dim am i? perhaps i am losing my mind! thanks for the responses everyone, http://www.webbrain.com/ looks interesting too, but it was kartoo i was particularly interested in finding. hope my forgetting to use google and raising this again has proved useful to someone else !! tahnks again roger