[thelist] Re: RE: link borders on a MAC (Jeff Howden)

[J. Anthony Peth]

Dan, 

Thanks for wording it so nicely. I wanted to say something to Jeff about his
posts, but thought I'd be too rough. People like him can make it less
enjoyable for those of us who are just beginning. I guess there are people
like him in every field. It is also clear that (from the look of his website
and the content of his posts) that he is not in this field as an artist but
more of a programmer, and is looking at things from a different perspective
than I am or maybe some others are.

However, I think it is important to remind ourselves that there is a lot to
learn from both perspectives, and that there is not always a right or wrong
solution to a particular problem (even though some people think their answer
is right).  

Tony 

> From: Dan Williams <dan at ithium.net>
> Organization: Ithium
> Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:20:32 +0100
> To: 'Diane Soini' <dianesoini at earthlink.net>, thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Re: RE: link borders on a MAC (Jeff Howden)
> 
> Hey Diane
> 
> Don't quit just because someone was a jerk. You had a pleasant response
> from the original poster, Maisha Walker, and just because Jeff Howden
> was rude, condescending, and patronising, does not mean you should take
> it personally. Take a look back over the list history... He seems to
> make a habit of doing it every now and again, and probably doesn't mean
> to cause offence. Seems like everyone ignores such remarks of his
> usually, although Gregory Wostrel did remark on his comments to you. If
> everyone took everything personally, no-one would contribute at all...
> Especially as plain text often makes it very hard to ascertain the true
> intention of the writer. It seems unfair to judge the many thousands of
> list subscribers as being the same as one guy, right?
> 
> So, just ignore him, there are plenty of other people on the list who
> are really nice :)
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> ...and now for a tip, to make up for this message's lack of technical
> content ;)
> 
> <tip type="telnet can be your friend" author="krycek">
> Don't be too quick to dismiss telnet as 'evil' just because it uses
> plain-text protocols and is therefore insecure. I seem to meet more and
> more people who do this, and although it is true that for actions such
> as remote control you should use for instance SSH, telnet still has its
> uses.
> 
> I generally find it indispensible for doing things as simple as checking
> mail server responses, right through to stepping through the protocol
> logic of the server programs I write. You can also use it as a quick
> method of checking webpage output - simply connect to port 80 of the
> domain you are checking and type "GET /". This can be useful for quickly
> checking what different people are actually seeing, for instance by
> using a remote computer and comparing the output to your own.
> </tip>
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Diane Soini
> Sent: 25 September 2003 01:36
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Re: RE: link borders on a MAC (Jeff Howden)
> 
> 
> I was paying a compliment to how nice the images rendered. I do know how
> to view source and tell the difference between different types of
> content. 
> 
> I can do without the sarcasm.
> 
> I'll be quitting this list now.
> 
> Diane
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
>  1. RE: link borders on a MAC (Jeff Howden)
>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>> It all looks so smooth I really thought it was flash.
>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> 
> oh geeze, you can't be serious.
> 
> no, really.
> 
> <tip type="debugging" author=".jeff">
> 
> not sure how a particular effect was created, whether by text, images,
> flash, or something else?
> 
> without even viewing the source you've got a few tools at your disposal
> -- the cursor, the status bar, and the right-click menu.
> 
> if the cursor turns to an i-beam, then you're dealing with text.
> 
> if the cursor turns to a hand, you're dealing with a link.  the status
> bar might yield clues like seeing "JavaScript:".
> 
> otherwise, it's time to use the right-click menu.  flash has it's own
> menu. everything else (with obvious exceptions like activex controls,
> java applets, etc) uses the ie right-click menu.  pay close attention to
> the menu items in the grouping at the top.  if the "save image as..."
> option is not disabled then you're dealing with an image.  there are
> other clues.  see how many you can find.
> 
> </tip>
> 
> .jeff
> 
> 
> 
> Diane at santabarbarahikes.com
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