At 21:20 06/11/2003, Cayley Vos wrote >Any redirect on the homepage will make you invisible to the search engines. >However, there is an easy way around this. Do serverside browser detection >and redirect from there. <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="15;url='main.shtml'"> I have a http redirect after x seconds BUT a hyperlink to the page the redirect goes to on the same page http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=fatbloke+%26+battoad thus http://www.fatblokeracing.org/ exists to google and has a redirect? also links to a "modifed" directory listing of links to pages I want indexing: <http://www.fatblokeracing.org/spiderindexonly.shtml>spiders only this way bottom left AND I know they can't read ;) BUT maybe an "immediate" redirect WON'T get you found? FB