From chris at jobdragon.com  Mon Nov 17 01:31:37 2003
From: chris at jobdragon.com (Christian Anderson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:31:37 +0900
Subject: [thelist] Global.asa saving files
Message-ID: <E1ALdrF-0004Wc-00@smtp1.ambisys.net>

Hi,
 
I'm still mucking with the global.asa file on my server, and now have the
problem that file attachments are not being saved to the server.
 
>From what I understand Functions are OK in global.asa, as long as they
aren't within a sub, so the following function should be ok:
 
------------
Function getAttachments()
  Set Attachments = msg.Attachments
   separator = ", "
 
  For i = 0 To Attachments.Count - 1
    If i = Attachments.Count - 1 Then
      separator = ""
    End If
 
  Set at = Attachments(i)
  at.SaveToFile( "c:\hshome\photokyo\blogzilla.jp\attachments\" & addedthing
& at.Name )
  getAttachments = getAttachments & "<a href=""/attachments/" &_
  at.Name &""">" & at.Name & "(" & at.Size & " bytes)" &_
  "</a>" & separator
  Next
End Function
-----------
 
What the whole script does is checks my email, and if there is a message
it'll make some entries in the DB, and then save the attachment to the
server.
 
This works if I run it in a regular .asp page, but for some reason the .asa
doesn't like it. Strange thing is I don't get any error message at all. It
just goes through the script and finishes with no complaints, writes the
filename of the attachment to the DB, but the file is not saved... cant
figure this one out.
 
Please help!
 
Christian

From shilpabhoj at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 02:10:53 2003
From: shilpabhoj at hotmail.com (Shilpa)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:10:53 +0400
Subject: [thelist] Printing an ASP page
Message-ID: <000b01c3ace2$51cece80$4d010181@shilpa>


Hi,
I have an ASP page that generates & displays a report from a database. I
want to print the page on a click of a button. I tried using the code
<form>
<input type = "button" onclick="window.print()">
</form>
I get the print window but all it prints is a blank page!
Please Help !!

Shilpa

From lists at frankmarion.com  Mon Nov 17 02:33:56 2003
From: lists at frankmarion.com (Frank)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:33:56 -0500
Subject: [thelist] [OT] Win Clock Screensaver?
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031117033320.063c9a38@127.0.0.1>



Can anyone point to a (preferably freeware) screen saver that does nothing 
but display the time? (bouncing, moving around, all that kind of stuff 
doesn't really matter)

I've found 3D clocks, alarm clocks, task bar clocks, clocks that talk, 
clocks with chimes, clocks that launch processes,  skinnable clocks, clocks 
that emulate analogue clocks, clocks with calendars, clocks with tips, 
clocks that are part of your desktop, clocks that are self-adjusting, so on 
and so forth.

I just want the time to appear on my screen (as "3:46") when I walk away 
from my machine.

Can someone point me to one, please?

Thanks

<tip type="Google" author="Frank Marion">

When searching Google, be aware that Google deliberately doesn't stem. Thus 
"car" and "cars" are two different searches. "run", "ran", "running" are 
also different searches. Other than making your search case INsensitive, 
Google will (blessedly) not try to second guess what you are looking for.

</tip>


--
Frank Marion     lists at frankmarion.com      Keep the signal high.  


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Mon Nov 17 02:47:40 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:47:40 -0800
Subject: [thelist] [OT] Win Clock Screensaver?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031117033320.063c9a38@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEOHLNAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

frank,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Frank
>
> Can anyone point to a (preferably freeware) screen
> saver that does nothing but display the time? (bouncing,
> moving around, all that kind of stuff doesn't really
> matter)
>
> [snip]
>
> I just want the time to appear on my screen (as "3:46")
> when I walk away from my machine.
>
> Can someone point me to one, please?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

you probably haven't found any cause it's one of the available screensavers
on any win machine.

go to display properties > screensaver

pick "3d text"

click the "settings" button

in there is an option for time.

season to taste.

.jeff

------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/




From ngilas2003 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 07:24:56 2003
From: ngilas2003 at yahoo.com (Stevenson N)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:24:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] 
 Using Microsoft Project Central Controls with Another Data Source
Message-ID: <20031117132456.86390.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
Has anyone ever tried Using Microsoft Project Central Controls with Another Data Source i.e. SQL Server 2000?
 
IF yes, what properties did you use to set tasks and their sub-tasks? What properties did you use to set the predecessor?
 
I have:
<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><
RDS.Refresh() 
MSPJGrid.Binding = RDS.RecordSet
 
MSPJGrid.FieldList = "#tID[Task ID],tTitle[Task Name],+ASSN_WORK[Duration],+ASSN_START_DATE[Start]<4>,+ASSN_FINISH_DATE[ActualsFinishDate ],+ASSN_REM_WORK[Remaining Work" 
MSPJGrid.GroupBy = "tDRID" 
MSPJGrid.SetSortBy('tCallNumber',0);
<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><<><><><
 
That gets the record set and bind them to the grid, but don't know how to set tasks and there sub-tasks and also set their predecessor.
 
Please assist.


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From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Nov 17 07:38:19 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:38:19 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall
References: 	<09c101c3ac9d$6b861c60$0300a8c0@client1><00cd01c3aca1$47f693c0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au><09c701c3acaa$839edc30$0300a8c0@client1>
	<02bd01c3acb3$65840460$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <0a2401c3ad10$10106de0$0300a8c0@client1>

Ken,

Thank you for the links. There's a bit more to the security policies than I
realized.  I'm going to have a good time spending a few hours playing with
the rulesets.

Thanks again.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Schaefer" <ken at adOpenStatic.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall


> You can create IPSec filtering rules, and store them in the local policy.
> These can include rules to permit unsecured traffic, require secured
> traffic, or block traffic completely.
>
> Here's a step-by-step guide to setting up such a policy to permit inbound
> port 80 from all IP addresses, and deny all other traffic:
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itsolutions/network/maintain/security/ipsecld.asp
>
> There are more articles on IPSec here:
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/topics/network/default.asp


From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Nov 17 07:58:54 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:58:54 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Best SERVER Software Firewall
References: 	<09c101c3ac9d$6b861c60$0300a8c0@client1><00cd01c3aca1$47f693c0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au><09c701c3acaa$839edc30$0300a8c0@client1><02bd01c3acb3$65840460$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
	<0a2401c3ad10$10106de0$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <0a2a01c3ad12$f0b312b0$0300a8c0@client1>

Sorry,

Tip for post to Ken that was supposed to be offlist.

<tip type="CF/SQL" author="Joshua Olson">
If you have more than one instance of SQL Server on a machine you may
configure a datasource to that instance by using the following notation in
the "Server" field:

SERVER\INSTANCE

There is a backslash between the SERVER name and the INSTANCE name.

In EM you can register the server using the same syntax.
</tip>

From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:38 AM


> Ken,
>
> Thank you for the links. There's a bit more to the security policies than
I
> realized.  I'm going to have a good time spending a few hours playing with
> the rulesets.
>
> Thanks again.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itsolutions/network/maintain/security/ipsecld.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/topics/network/default.asp


From joel at spinhead.com  Mon Nov 17 08:25:09 2003
From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:25:09 -0800
Subject: [thelist] FW: [websandiego] So, Flash has access to a list of my
	fonts?
Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B45A1D2B@ireland.spinhead.com>

>From the WebSanDiego list:

> http://www.stcassociates.com/lab/fontbrowser.html
> 
> I had no idea. Not sure I like that, actually.
> 
> This worked in Safari/Mac for me.
> 
> 	Joe
> --
> Joe "ArtLung" Crawford   San Diego California US
> http://joecrawford.com   http://artlung.com/blog
> http://websandiego.org   http://sandiegoblog.com
>        aol im: artlung   aim:goim?screenname=artlung

Interesting, but a bit worrisome. If Flash can read from a system
folder, how is proper security enforced?

joel

From mike at mikeemedia.com  Mon Nov 17 08:27:58 2003
From: mike at mikeemedia.com (Michael Robertson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:27:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regular Expression help
Message-ID: <008701c3ad16$fff5f220$0700a8c0@BEN>

i need a RE that will match a string that is a minimum of 6 characters long and musit contain at least one digit. I'm havin g no luck finding it. I'm certainly not an expert but from what i've read trying to get this I'm wary of using the ?= syntax for compatibilty reasons with older browsers. I'm using this in JavaScript and i read that ?= only works with 1.5. Thanks.

Here is my latest attempt. 
^([a-zA-Z]*[0-9]+|[0-9]+[a-zA-Z]*){6,}


From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Nov 17 08:35:14 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:35:14 -0500
Subject: [thelist] FW: [websandiego] So, Flash has access to a list of
	myfonts?
References: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B45A1D2B@ireland.spinhead.com>
Message-ID: <0a3601c3ad18$035e7c10$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel D Canfield" <joel at spinhead.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:25 AM


> > http://www.stcassociates.com/lab/fontbrowser.html

> Interesting, but a bit worrisome. If Flash can read from a system
> folder, how is proper security enforced?

Joel,

I'm not convinced that this is actually reading from the folder.  Rather,
it's more likely that the Flash client application (which the client choses
to install) is reading an accessible system property available via the
Windows API.

But, to answer your question, you entered a trust-based relationship with
Macromedia when you installed the Flash player on your machine.  Since it's
installed it feasibly has 100% access to your machine.  Since no software is
completely bug proof then it would follow that there probably is an exploit
somewhere that allows a malicious developer to access your machine's
sensitive information.  The question is if the exploit has been discovered
yet.  :-)  But, this goes with *any* software you install, including IE,
Norton Antivirus, Mozilla, etc.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com  Mon Nov 17 08:45:26 2003
From: Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:45:26 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JS:  onSubmit function seems to reset Select input?
Message-ID: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C972AF6E4@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>

Marcus Andersson wrote:

>> Any way around it?  It only has to work in IE (intranet project).
> 
> The fix is very easy and it's all depending on a javascript bug. On
> line 43 in function TestDeletion you do an assignment (one =) in the
> if statement instead of an equality check (two ==)
> 
> Change the line to
> 
> if (document.forms[f].WhatToDo.selectedIndex == 4)
> 
> and it should work as expected

Eep!  Thanks...now if only that would have triggered an "errors on page"
alert, I might've figured it out too.  : )

From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Nov 17 08:48:12 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:48:12 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regular Expression help
References: <008701c3ad16$fff5f220$0700a8c0@BEN>
Message-ID: <0a3c01c3ad19$d383be40$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Robertson" <mike at mikeemedia.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:27 AM


> i need a RE that will match a string that is a minimum of 6
> characters long and musit contain at least one digit.

Michael,

If by "character" you mean ANY character, then the following may work:

.{5,}[0-9]|....[0-9].|...[0-9]..|..[0-9]...|.[0-9]....|[0-9].{5,}

If by "character" you mean alphanumeric, then replace the periods with
whatever character set you want, eg:

[a-zA-Z0-0]{5,}[0-9]|    ...  etc

This a brute force technique, but should work nicely.

Good luck,

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168




From mike at mikeemedia.com  Mon Nov 17 09:17:37 2003
From: mike at mikeemedia.com (Michael Robertson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:17:37 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regular Expression help
References: <008701c3ad16$fff5f220$0700a8c0@BEN>
	<0a3c01c3ad19$d383be40$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <00c801c3ad1d$f0333350$0700a8c0@BEN>

Thank you. That's almost it. By any character i mean a-zA-Z. Sorry about
that.

The only problem with this on is it forces at least 5 letters. I need it to
accept any combination of letters and numbers with a minimum length of 6 and
at least 1 digit.

for example these would all be ok:

password1
pass123
pw1234

Thanks again


>
> > i need a RE that will match a string that is a minimum of 6
> > characters long and musit contain at least one digit.
>
> Michael,
>
> If by "character" you mean ANY character, then the following may work:
>
> .{5,}[0-9]|....[0-9].|...[0-9]..|..[0-9]...|.[0-9]....|[0-9].{5,}
>
> If by "character" you mean alphanumeric, then replace the periods with
> whatever character set you want, eg:
>
> [a-zA-Z0-0]{5,}[0-9]|    ...  etc
>
> This a brute force technique, but should work nicely.
>
> Good luck,
>
> <><><><><><><><><><>
> Joshua Olson
> Web Application Engineer
> WAE Tech Inc.
> http://www.waetech.com
> 706.210.0168
>
>
>
> -- 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
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>
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>


From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Mon Nov 17 09:20:32 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:20:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regular Expression help
In-Reply-To: <00c801c3ad1d$f0333350$0700a8c0@BEN>
Message-ID: <001b01c3ad1e$583ca760$0300000a@hershel2000>

> The only problem with this on is it forces at least 5
> letters. I need it to
> accept any combination of letters and numbers with a minimum
> length of 6 and
> at least 1 digit.

Is there a reason you don't want to just check for .length > 5 and then use
a very simple regular expression to look for a digit?

Hershel


From mike at mikeemedia.com  Mon Nov 17 09:26:05 2003
From: mike at mikeemedia.com (Michael Robertson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:26:05 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regular Expression help
References: <001b01c3ad1e$583ca760$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <00dd01c3ad1f$1e297250$0700a8c0@BEN>

i have thought of that. The problem with that is it's part of an ASP page
that pulls expressions out dynamically based on other criteria. So it would
actually cause some problems for me to do that. Having one expression fits
nicely into the overall scheme. Thanks.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hershel Robinson" <hershelr at netvision.net.il>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Regular Expression help


> > The only problem with this on is it forces at least 5
> > letters. I need it to
> > accept any combination of letters and numbers with a minimum
> > length of 6 and
> > at least 1 digit.
>
> Is there a reason you don't want to just check for .length > 5 and then
use
> a very simple regular expression to look for a digit?
>
> Hershel
>
> -- 
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From evolt at muinar.com  Mon Nov 17 09:59:48 2003
From: evolt at muinar.com (muinar)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:59:48 +0100
Subject: [thelist] FW: [websandiego] So, Flash has access to a list
  of my fonts?
In-Reply-To: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B45A1D2B@ireland.spinhead.co
 m>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20031117165624.00a1e490@mail.muinar.com>

At 15:25 17.11.03, you wrote:
>Interesting, but a bit worrisome. If Flash can read from a system
>folder, how is proper security enforced?

Is there a fundamental difference to the web browser that reads from
your fonts folder? 'If Verdana is there, use it, if not, use Geneva,
if not there, use Arial,...'

Mike

_____  mike s. krischker  muinar internet studios
        flashpro mailing list founder/owner/admin
        http://flash-list.com/  mailto:listadmin at muinar.org


From emmajane at xtrinsic.com  Mon Nov 17 10:04:48 2003
From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:04:48 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion textbook recommendations
Message-ID: <20031117160448.GA1768@debian>

Hello to all the CF Gurus,

I'm teaching a class next semester on Cold Fusion/MS Access databases. I'm
looking for a good intro text that I can recommend to my class. Does
anyone have any favorites?

thanks,
emma

-- 
Emma Jane Hogbin
[[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]]

From evolt at pixelwright.com  Mon Nov 17 10:07:13 2003
From: evolt at pixelwright.com (James Aylard)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:07:13 -0800
Subject: [thelist] JS:  onSubmit function seems to reset Select input?
References: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C972AF6E4@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c3ad24$dec20130$5360398a@newcos.com>

Tab Alleman wrote:

>> Change the line to
>>
>> if (document.forms[f].WhatToDo.selectedIndex == 4)
>>
>> and it should work as expected
>
> Eep!  Thanks...now if only that would have triggered an "errors on
> page" alert, I might've figured it out too.  : )

    If you rewrite it as:

if (4 == document.forms[f].WhatToDo.selectedIndex)

    and if you accidentally leave off one of the "equal" signs, you'll get
an error (since you can't assign a value to a number). It's a good coding
habit to get into.

James Aylard


From mdinowit at houseoffusion.com  Mon Nov 17 10:11:38 2003
From: mdinowit at houseoffusion.com (Michael Dinowitz)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:11:38 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Cold Fusion textbook recommendations
References: <20031117160448.GA1768@debian>
Message-ID: <00e101c3ad25$7b122dd0$8d95a8c0@programmer4>

ColdFusion, from static to dynamic in 10 steps. It's a ground up intro to
the basics of CF and it 100% fantastic. I went over it with a fine tooth
comb and there are no mistakes. He even taught me something new (like MX
allowing $ as the first character in a var).
It's not to big, not to long and doesn't try to cover everything. It has my
stamp of approval for a basic book.


> Hello to all the CF Gurus,
>
> I'm teaching a class next semester on Cold Fusion/MS Access databases. I'm
> looking for a good intro text that I can recommend to my class. Does
> anyone have any favorites?
>
> thanks,
> emma
>
> -- 
> Emma Jane Hogbin
> [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]]
> -- 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
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>
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From bedouglas at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 17 10:57:27 2003
From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:57:27 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Regular Expression help
In-Reply-To: <00c801c3ad1d$f0333350$0700a8c0@BEN>
Message-ID: <015e01c3ad2b$e1de0a10$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>

hey...

not that it might help... it's been a while since i've dealt with regex
expressions...

could you do it in two steps...
1) verify the length...
2) check if the chars are available...

-regards...


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Robertson
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 7:18 AM
To: Joshua Olson; thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Regular Expression help


Thank you. That's almost it. By any character i mean a-zA-Z. Sorry about
that.

The only problem with this on is it forces at least 5 letters. I need it to
accept any combination of letters and numbers with a minimum length of 6 and
at least 1 digit.

for example these would all be ok:

password1
pass123
pw1234

Thanks again


>
> > i need a RE that will match a string that is a minimum of 6
> > characters long and musit contain at least one digit.
>
> Michael,
>
> If by "character" you mean ANY character, then the following may work:
>
> .{5,}[0-9]|....[0-9].|...[0-9]..|..[0-9]...|.[0-9]....|[0-9].{5,}
>
> If by "character" you mean alphanumeric, then replace the periods with
> whatever character set you want, eg:
>
> [a-zA-Z0-0]{5,}[0-9]|    ...  etc
>
> This a brute force technique, but should work nicely.
>
> Good luck,
>
> <><><><><><><><><><>
> Joshua Olson
> Web Application Engineer
> WAE Tech Inc.
> http://www.waetech.com
> 706.210.0168
>
>
>
> --
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>

--
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From mike at mikeemedia.com  Mon Nov 17 10:58:41 2003
From: mike at mikeemedia.com (Michael Robertson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:58:41 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Regular Expression help
References: <008701c3ad16$fff5f220$0700a8c0@BEN>
	<0a3c01c3ad19$d383be40$0300a8c0@client1> <00c801c3ad1d$f0333350$0700a8c0@BEN>
	<0a4a01c3ad1f$455b0410$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <011601c3ad2c$19a36210$0700a8c0@BEN>

Thanks

you were right that does work


>
> > Thank you. That's almost it. By any character i mean a-zA-Z. Sorry about
> > that.
> >
> > The only problem with this on is it forces at least 5 letters. I need it
> to
> > accept any combination of letters and numbers with a minimum length of 6
> and
> > at least 1 digit.
>
> Michael
>
> If you replace the periods with [a-zA-Z0-9] then it'll do just what you
ask.
>
> Also, Hershel's suggestion is a good one.  If you have the option he
> suggested, then I'd highly recommend you consider it.
>
> <><><><><><><><><><>
> Joshua Olson
> Web Application Engineer
> WAE Tech Inc.
> http://www.waetech.com
> 706.210.0168
>
>


From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Mon Nov 17 11:02:15 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:02:15 -0600
Subject: [thelist] HTML vs. Plain Text ASP's Send(e)mail
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51D2@smtmb.tmc.local>

Hi list,

I've got a pretty complex form intended for our Asian audience. Because
there is a potential of having Korean, Chinese, or Japanese characters in
that form. The "notification" e-mails are sent in HTML (e-mail). However the
recipient of those e-mails takes plain text. Any non-Latin characters are
translated into question (?) marks. Hence, the original request is lost.

Additionally, all the HTML formatting and organization of data is lost. I
know that by default, as a web developer, you should always design for plain
text e-mail correspondence for this exact reason. What I'd like to do is
keep my HTML formatted e-mail's for those people who can view those types of
e-mails, but also be able to improve the plain text version as well. 

What would you do? I'm leaning towards my intuition and making a duplicate
plain text version of this e-mail. But is there anyway to detect the
recipients e-mail receiving preference (HTML or Plain Text)? Then if it's
Plain Text, present a caveat that non-Latin characters will be lost.

Rob.Smith

From saodl at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 14:59:24 2003
From: saodl at yahoo.com (Siri Atma Oaklander De Licori)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] RE: Remote Scripting
Message-ID: <20031117205924.52989.qmail@web12704.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi.

I've been struggling with the same problem.  I came
across the following in my research a while ago.  I
don't have the link anymore, but you should be able to
find more info.  I have not tested it myself, as I am
currently prototyping offline and this technique
doesn't work there for security reasons.  Therefore
I'm still using iFrames...:(.  If this works for you,
please let me know as I'll probably be switching over
before too long.

siri

---- excerpt below ----

You can use this script to bring external include
files into a layer in the page:

<script language='JavaScript'>
<!--
function include(lyr,url)
{
  if (document.all)
  {
     // IE version
     var xml = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
     xml.Open( "GET", url, false );
     xml.Send()
    
document.getElementById(lyr).innerHTML=xml.responseText;
  }
  else
  {
     // Mozilla/Netscrap 6+ version
           var xml=new XMLHttpRequest();
           xml.open("GET",url,false);
           xml.send(null);
          
document.getElementById(lyr).innerHTML=xml.responseText;
  }
}
//-->
</script>
You can trigger the script off the load:
<body
onLoad="include('somediv','http://somepath/somefile.html'">
where somediv looks like: <div
id="somediv">&nbsp;</div>

or inline as a conventional include:

<script language='JavaScript'>
  document.write('<div id="somediv">&nbsp;</div>');
  include('somediv','http://somepath/somefile.html');
</script>

If the string returned from the call contains valid
HTML it will be rendered, otherwise it will display as
plain text.

Does not work for older browser like Netscrap 4.x that
do not know what XML is.

It can produce an alert if the user security settings
have activeX disabled.

To test it you have to go through a server is will not
work locally using a file: protocol

------- Hershel Wrote ------

I am interested in learning more about Remote
Scripting. I have always
updated web pages dynamically via what is known as
'hidden CGI' using 
an
IFRAME. I also update the server this way (with new
data) without 
changing
the web page.

I understand that Remote Scripting can make this
process smoother and
perhaps more automated and transparent to the user. I
also understand 
that
it is inherently ASP-based. I am working on an
IE6-only site and a 
Windows
server so MS issues should not present any problems.

Can anyone confirm or deny the above and either way,
can anyone point 
me in
the direction of a good introduction (a URL) to this
technology?

Thanks,
Hershel


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From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Nov 17 15:25:43 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:25:43 -0500
Subject: [thelist] RE: Remote Scripting
References: <20031117205924.52989.qmail@web12704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0b7f01c3ad51$5be64640$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Siri Atma Oaklander De Licori" <saodl at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:59 PM


> I've been struggling with the same problem.  I came
> across the following in my research a while ago.  I
> don't have the link anymore, but you should be able to
> find more info.  I have not tested it myself, as I am
> currently prototyping offline and this technique
> doesn't work there for security reasons.  Therefore
> I'm still using iFrames...:(.  If this works for you,
> please let me know as I'll probably be switching over
> before too long.

Siri,

Another technique is to avoid the XMLHTTP object altogether and pull in the
data by setting the src attribute on the IFRAME via JavaScript.  A nice
benefit to calling the page by setting the src attribute is that any
JavaSrcipt within the frame will execute if wrapped in script blocks.

I'll post an example later on a technique to using IFRAMES that has worked
very well for me.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 15:34:37 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:34:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] cross-browser way to remove/replace node? (DOM)
Message-ID: <20031117213437.92534.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm working on a little application where some text (names) is added
to a hidden div, then the div is shown.

I started using innerHTML then switched to the DOM because I had some
problems which I won't go into. In short, this is what I am doing:

for(var x=0; x<workerArray.length; x++)
{
   newP = document.createElement("P");
   newText = document.createTextNode(workerArray[x]);
		
   newP.appendChild(newText);
   workerList.appendChild(newP);
}

workerArray is a list of names. workerList is the DIV. So when you
click a link, you get a little window that shows you what workers are
in that time section.

Problem is that this page does not get reloaded, so the content I
added persists. According to PPK [1] removeNode() does not work in
Mozzilla 1.4 and other browsers, since it is a MS extension. Does it
work in NS6+?

Is my only option here innerHTML?

Tom

[1] http://www.quirksmode.org/

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 15:45:00 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:45:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] cross-browser way to remove/replace node? [solved
	kinda]
In-Reply-To: <20031117213437.92534.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031117214500.6054.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Problem is that this page does not get reloaded, so the content I
> added persists. According to PPK [1] removeNode() does not work in
> Mozzilla 1.4 and other browsers, since it is a MS extension. Does
> it work in NS6+?

Well one solution is to simply set element.innerHTML = "", which
works. I imagine this is probably the best way to handle it, unless
someone has another suggestion...?

I hate replying to my own posts...

Tom

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From marcan at home.se  Mon Nov 17 15:58:01 2003
From: marcan at home.se (Marcus Andersson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:58:01 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] cross-browser way to remove/replace node? [solvedkinda]
In-Reply-To: <20031117214500.6054.qmail@web12607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c3ad55$df3d0750$0400a8c0@marcusnb>

How about removeChild(childNodeToRemove);

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/dom_el_ref54.html#1029080
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/methods/remove
child.asp?frame=true
http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-DOM-Level-1-19981001/level-one-core.html#I
D-BBACDC08

/Marcus

> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
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> Skickat: den 17 november 2003 22:45
> Till: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> ?mne: Re: [thelist] cross-browser way to remove/replace node? 
> [solvedkinda]
> 
> 
> 
> --- Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Problem is that this page does not get reloaded, so the content I 
> > added persists. According to PPK [1] removeNode() does not work in 
> > Mozzilla 1.4 and other browsers, since it is a MS 
> extension. Does it 
> > work in NS6+?
> 
> Well one solution is to simply set element.innerHTML = "", 
> which works. I imagine this is probably the best way to 
> handle it, unless someone has another suggestion...?
> 
> I hate replying to my own posts...
> 
> Tom
> 
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From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Mon Nov 17 16:02:23 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:02:23 -0800
Subject: [thelist] cross-browser way to remove/replace node? (DOM)
In-Reply-To: <20031117213437.92534.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOECCLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

tom,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Tom Dell'Aringa
>
> Problem is that this page does not get reloaded, so the
> content I added persists. According to PPK [1]
> removeNode() does not work in Mozzilla 1.4 and other
> browsers, since it is a MS extension. Does it work in
> NS6+?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

i'm guessing you already know the answer to that considering nn6 is branched
from the mozilla codebase.

will removeChild() do what you need?

.jeff

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From hassan at webtuitive.com  Mon Nov 17 16:02:42 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:02:42 -0800
Subject: [thelist] cross-browser way to remove/replace node? (DOM)
In-Reply-To: <20031117213437.92534.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031117213437.92534.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FB94582.4030500@webtuitive.com>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

> Problem is that this page does not get reloaded, so the content I
> added persists. According to PPK [1] removeNode() does not work in
> Mozzilla 1.4 and other browsers, since it is a MS extension. Does it
> work in NS6+?

What's wrong with removeChild()?

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From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 16:04:56 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:04:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] cross-browser way to remove/replace node? (DOM)
In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOECCLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <20031117220456.62340.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jeff Howden <jeff at jeffhowden.com> wrote:
> will removeChild() do what you need?

Which is what Marcus just suggested. I suppose I could use that since
I do know that my DIV is constant.. maybe I could do (pseudo)

while(myDiv has children)
  removeChild(daChild)

and I assume that would work..I'll try that! Thanks guys.

Tom

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From burgan at iprimus.com.au  Mon Nov 17 17:13:51 2003
From: burgan at iprimus.com.au (Tim Burgan)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:43:51 +1030
Subject: [thelist] listserv's &  discussion lists
Message-ID: <00b801c3ad60$7740b1a0$841286cb@timburgan>

Hello,

I'm wanting to start a discussion list (listserv), does anyone know how I go
about doing this..

1. I don't want to use yahoogroups.com
2. I was more thinking along the line of an ASP/PHP application that would
handle everything.

Just as this group [thelist] operates, users and post and reply messages, is how
I want my discussion list to operate.

Can anyone offer any help?

Thanks
Tim Burgan


From contact at stewartandcompany.net  Mon Nov 17 16:56:44 2003
From: contact at stewartandcompany.net (Stewart & Company)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:56:44 -0500
Subject: [thelist] listserv's &  discussion lists
In-Reply-To: <00b801c3ad60$7740b1a0$841286cb@timburgan>
Message-ID: <000001c3ad5e$13cc19e0$25a5aec7@Will>

http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Usenet_Gateway/


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Tim Burgan
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:14 PM
To: [thelist] - Web Discussion
Subject: [thelist] listserv's & discussion lists

Hello,

I'm wanting to start a discussion list (listserv), does anyone know how
I go
about doing this..

1. I don't want to use yahoogroups.com
2. I was more thinking along the line of an ASP/PHP application that
would
handle everything.

Just as this group [thelist] operates, users and post and reply
messages, is how
I want my discussion list to operate.

Can anyone offer any help?

Thanks
Tim Burgan 


From jabber at raditha.com  Mon Nov 17 18:54:16 2003
From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 06:54:16 +0600
Subject: [thelist] listserv's &  discussion lists
In-Reply-To: <00b801c3ad60$7740b1a0$841286cb@timburgan>
References: <00b801c3ad60$7740b1a0$841286cb@timburgan>
Message-ID: <3FB96DB8.4000506@raditha.com>

Hi,
You need a robust mailserver and maling list manager in the back room to 
handle it. PHP and ASP scripts are fine to build a management interface. 
I suggest a combination of qmail and ezmlm. You can google for 'life 
with qmail' to get good doc about how to set it up.

Tim Burgan wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I'm wanting to start a discussion list (listserv), does anyone know how I go
>about doing this..
>
>1. I don't want to use yahoogroups.com
>2. I was more thinking along the line of an ASP/PHP application that would
>handle everything.
>
>Just as this group [thelist] operates, users and post and reply messages, is how
>I want my discussion list to operate.
>
>Can anyone offer any help?
>
>Thanks
>Tim Burgan
>
>  
>


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From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Nov 17 19:33:34 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:33:34 -0500
Subject: [thelist] MS's Latest Patches Problem
Message-ID: <0be101c3ad73$fb2ef9f0$0300a8c0@client1>

I installed MS's latest patch today.  It was an update called  Security
Update for Microsoft Data Access Components (823718).  After the install
(and this may be a coincidence) any attempts to access the SQL Server on the
local machine using the Server name "LOCALHOST" began to fail.  I had to go
through all the code and update the connection strings to use the machine's
name instead.

May be a coincidence... maybe not.  But thought you'd want to know anyway.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Mon Nov 17 19:49:45 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:49:45 +1100
Subject: [thelist] MS's Latest Patches Problem
References: <0be101c3ad73$fb2ef9f0$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <04a101c3ad76$3e543cc0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>
Subject: [thelist] MS's Latest Patches Problem


: I installed MS's latest patch today.  It was an update called
: Security Update for Microsoft Data Access Components (823718).
: After the install (and this may be a coincidence) any attempts to
: access the SQL Server on the local machine using the Server
: name "LOCALHOST" began to fail.  I had to go through all the
: code and update the connection strings to use the machine's
: name instead.
:
: May be a coincidence... maybe not.  But thought you'd
: want to know anyway.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Interesting. Can you still ping localhost?

Also, why weren't you using the alias "(local)" (which would map to the
local machine's name) rather than "localhost", which would (via lmhosts) map
to 127.0.0.1?

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)


From dianesoini at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 17 19:55:53 2003
From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:55:53 -0800
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt
In-Reply-To: <200311170643.1alKAK2Ru3NZFkl0@cockatoo>
Message-ID: <57D07C92-196A-11D8-BD0E-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>

> Re: [thelist] robots.txt

Thanks for the info. I don't have as much access to the log files as 
probably most of you because I don't host the site myself. I suspect 
the hosting company I use filters out some of these problems out of 
their own self-interest.

I'm mostly concerned with email addresses being stolen. I appreciate 
the information for how to detect if that is happening. I will try that.

I'm curious if these robots have the ability to browse cgi scripts and 
read the script without executing it. My hosting company has it set up 
that I must put cgi scripts into a directory of my site and not 
cgi-bin. They have likely got some protective things in place around 
this practice, but I'm still curious.

Spam isn't a huge problem for me, but it's the principle of it.


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Mon Nov 17 20:22:24 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:22:24 -0800
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt
In-Reply-To: <57D07C92-196A-11D8-BD0E-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEDLLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

diane,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Diane Soini
>
> [...] I'm curious if these robots have the ability to
> browse cgi scripts and read the script without
> executing it. [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

bots don't do anything different than a browser.  they issue a get request
to specific address.

if it were somehow possible to view the server-side logic of a cgi script,
asp page, coldfusion template, etc, we'd all have much bigger problems than
spam.

.jeff

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From joshua at waetech.com  Mon Nov 17 20:35:53 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:35:53 -0500
Subject: [thelist] MS's Latest Patches Problem
References: <0be101c3ad73$fb2ef9f0$0300a8c0@client1>
	<04a101c3ad76$3e543cc0$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <0d0601c3ad7c$afe7cd60$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Schaefer" <ken at adOpenStatic.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:49 PM


> Interesting. Can you still ping localhost?

Yes, no problem there.

> Also, why weren't you using the alias "(local)" (which would map to the
> local machine's name) rather than "localhost", which would (via lmhosts)
map
> to 127.0.0.1?

Old habit I guess.  It's worked without issue until I installed the patch.

I noticed this problem when I created a datasource in CF and when using a
connection string via ASP.  Given that the patch supposedly fixed a hole in
the Data Access Components I feel pretty comfortable saying that this
problem was directly caused by the patch install.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From paul at teltest.com  Mon Nov 17 21:22:49 2003
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:22:49 +1300
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt
In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEDLLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEDLLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <3FB99089.7040104@teltest.com>

Jeff Howden wrote:

>bots don't do anything different than a browser.  they issue a get request
>to specific address.
>
>if it were somehow possible to view the server-side logic of a cgi script,
>asp page, coldfusion template, etc, we'd all have much bigger problems than
>spam.
>
>.jeff
>
>  
>
like terrifying, recurring nightmares......

<tip type="Application development security">
Ensure that you have some kind of error reporting built into your 
applications, not only for development, but also for testing and 
security reporting.
Log failed queries, incoming data that is malformed, failed login 
attempts and anything else that you think would be of note if you had to 
come back in a few months and debug any unusual / suspicious activity. 
Also be sure to have some kind of event log so you can track who has 
performed what actions (like changing content).

Better safe than sorry
</tip>

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From noah at tookish.net  Mon Nov 17 21:44:58 2003
From: noah at tookish.net (noah)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:44:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] ASP.NET repeater conditions
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031117222940.02a801a8@tookish.net>

Hi,

I'm teaching myself ASP.NET (using C#) -- it's my first shot at an OO 
language, so I'm struggling a bit.

I have a page that pulls data from a database and displays it using a 
Repeater control. This works. Where I'm running into trouble is trying to 
conditionally modify what shows up on the page based on what comes out of 
the database. Here's what I have:

<asp:Repeater id="EventList" runat="server">
<ItemTemplate>
   <h1><%# Convert.ToString(DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, "title")) 
%>: <%# Convert.ToString(DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, "subtitle")) 
%></h1>

The thing is that the "subtitle" doesn't necessarily exist (it can be NULL) 
-- if it doesn't exist, what prints now is:

"Title: "

Obviously, this doesn't work -- what I need to do is test if "subtitle" 
exists, and print "Title: Subtitle" if it does and just "Title" if it doesn't.

I'm pretty sure I could work this out using some old-fashioned procedural 
code, but I'm trying to do this the right way :-).

I've found some examples describing how to do something similar with a 
DataGrid, but I haven't been able to extrapolate this to work with a 
Repeater. I'm pretty sure I need to use "OnItemDataBound," but the syntax 
has me stumped.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Noah


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Tue Nov 18 01:43:40 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:43:40 +0000
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt... logs files?
In-Reply-To: <57D07C92-196A-11D8-BD0E-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
References: <200311170643.1alKAK2Ru3NZFkl0@cockatoo>
 <57D07C92-196A-11D8-BD0E-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031118074025.02447530@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 01:55 18/11/2003, Diane Soini wrote
>>Re: [thelist] robots.txt
>
>Thanks for the info. I don't have as much access to the log files as 
>probably most of you because I don't host the site myself. I suspect the 
>hosting company I use filters out some of these problems out of their own 
>self-interest.

If you have a "nice" host you will find the logs UP from your web/http 
directory when you log in to FTP

ie. if you publish in /web click on the "parent" and look for a directory 
in root called /logs

they are certainly there for users of Easily.co.uk's hosting!!!!

FB


>I'm mostly concerned with email addresses being stolen. I appreciate the 
>information for how to detect if that is happening. I will try that

"Mung/hide" them with fred<at>wherever.com or use  javascript to avoid 
"intact" addresses being visible when the page is read as text and not 
"rendered" by the browser....

>.
>
>I'm curious if these robots have the ability to browse cgi scripts and 
>read the script without executing it. My hosting company has it set up 
>that I must put cgi scripts into a directory of my site and not cgi-bin. 
>They have likely got some protective things in place around this practice, 
>but I'm still curious.
>
>Spam isn't a huge problem for me, but it's the principle of it.


From skquinn at frogger.kicks-ass.net  Tue Nov 18 02:06:08 2003
From: skquinn at frogger.kicks-ass.net (Shawn K. Quinn)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:06:08 -0600
Subject: [thelist] listserv's &  discussion lists
In-Reply-To: <00b801c3ad60$7740b1a0$841286cb@timburgan>
References: <00b801c3ad60$7740b1a0$841286cb@timburgan>
Message-ID: <200311180206.08559.skquinn@frogger.kicks-ass.net>

On Monday 2003 November 17 17:13, Tim Burgan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm wanting to start a discussion list (listserv), does anyone know
> how I go about doing this..
>
> 1. I don't want to use yahoogroups.com
> 2. I was more thinking along the line of an ASP/PHP application that
> would handle everything.
>
> Just as this group [thelist] operates, users and post and reply
> messages, is how I want my discussion list to operate.

You probably want <http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/>, as that is 
what is used for this list. You'll probably need a GNU/Linux or *BSD 
box to run it; I'm not completely sure it can be made to run on 
Windows.

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn

From e.vanhemel at pandora.be  Tue Nov 18 02:10:50 2003
From: e.vanhemel at pandora.be (Eveline)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:10:50 +0100
Subject: [thelist] configuration php.ini
Message-ID: <002601c3adab$7afb2c80$878d76d5@pandora.be>

Hi guys,

I have the following problem. I developed an e-commerce site using php. I tested it first on my pc (with Apache 1.3.20 and PHP 4.0.6 installed) and everything went fine. Afterwards I migrated the site to our webserver (with Apache 1.3.23 and PHP 4.1.2 installed). But then the problem started. A have a page (register.php) that I use quite regularly as an include file throughout the site. To avoid that I had to hard code all the links to which the formfield variables are sent, I thought of the following solution:

$submitpage = $_SERVER['SCRIPT_FILENAME'];

Afterwards I use the variable $submitpage as follows:

PRINT "<form method='post' action='$submitpage'>";

On my pc this works fine. Say for instance the page register.php is included in the page cart.php then the value of $submitpage is cart.php, on the other hand on the webserver the variable has the following value:  /home/www/www.studiogrfx.be/htdocs/store/cart.php. In other words it exposes the full path to the page. Clearly everything goes wrong from this point. 

Because of this I was pretty sure that the problem had something to do with a configuration option in php.ini. I compared both php.ini files but I can't seem to find where the problem lies. Does anybody know where I have to look for?

Thanks in advance,

Eveline Vanhemel     

From e.vanhemel at pandora.be  Tue Nov 18 02:31:55 2003
From: e.vanhemel at pandora.be (Eveline)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:31:55 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Flash + PHP
Message-ID: <003901c3adae$6d0a1d40$878d76d5@pandora.be>

Hi all,

I have a short question: does anybody know where I can find a decent tutorial on the net on the subject of using PHP and Flash? I am new to the subject and have a project on hand where I will be obliged to use it.

Thanks,

Eveline Vanhemel

From dchampion at clacks.gov.uk  Tue Nov 18 03:19:07 2003
From: dchampion at clacks.gov.uk (Daniel Champion)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:19:07 +0000
Subject: [thelist] configuration php.ini
Message-ID: <OFD8E291BA.F54485AA-ON80256DE2.0032894C@LocalDomain>

Nothing wrong with your php.ini (at least from what you've posted - who 
knows what horrors may lurk elsewhere?!)

> $submitpage = $_SERVER['SCRIPT_FILENAME'];

This will return the full server path to the current script.

Use $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] or $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] for your purposes. NB 
they are subtly different. Read up on pre-defined variables at the PHP 
site - http://www.php.net/variables.predefined

HTH
-- 
Daniel Champion - Web Dev Mgr - Clackmannanshire Council
e: dchampion at clacks.gov.uk    t: 01259 452258
f: 01259 452240    w: http://www.clacksweb.org.uk


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From dchampion at clacks.gov.uk  Tue Nov 18 03:23:31 2003
From: dchampion at clacks.gov.uk (Daniel Champion)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:23:31 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Flash + PHP
Message-ID: <OFC2BE6E0E.5A4FA5D7-ON80256DE2.0033863A@LocalDomain>

> I have a short question: does anybody know where I can find a decent 
> tutorial on the net on the subject of using PHP and Flash?

Try here: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/hill20011214.php3

It covers a lot of ground and should give you a reasonable start.

HTH
-- 
Daniel Champion - Web Dev Mgr - Clackmannanshire Council
e: dchampion at clacks.gov.uk    t: 01259 452258
f: 01259 452240    w: http://www.clacksweb.org.uk


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From evolt at muinar.com  Tue Nov 18 05:06:32 2003
From: evolt at muinar.com (muinar)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:06:32 +0100
Subject: [thelist] listserv's &  discussion lists
In-Reply-To: <00b801c3ad60$7740b1a0$841286cb@timburgan>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20031118115721.00a1f280@mail.muinar.com>

At 00:13 18.11.03, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'm wanting to start a discussion list (listserv), does anyone know how I go
>about doing this..
>
>1. I don't want to use yahoogroups.com
>2. I was more thinking along the line of an ASP/PHP application that would
>handle everything.
>
>Just as this group [thelist] operates, users and post and reply messages, 
>is how
>I want my discussion list to operate.
>
>Can anyone offer any help?

Hi Tim

If it's an open list, make sure that the list software handles bounces
(expired email addresses) automatically, and that Spam, formatted email,
attachments and admin requests (test, unsubscribe etc.) to the list are
filtered out. Otherwise you might end up in really heavy redundant work.

Consider using a hosting service that offers mailing list packages with
mailman, for instance Pair.Com . Mailman lets you customize its HTML
interfaces, like here for instance (that's my list):
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flashpro

Mike

_____  mike s. krischker  muinar internet studios
        flashpro mailing list founder/owner/admin
        http://flash-list.com/  mailto:listadmin at muinar.org


From mikek at brightstorm.co.uk  Tue Nov 18 05:23:18 2003
From: mikek at brightstorm.co.uk (mike karthauser)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:23:18 +0000
Subject: [thelist] listserv's &  discussion lists
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20031118115721.00a1f280@mail.muinar.com>
Message-ID: <BBDFB1A6.22997%mikek@brightstorm.co.uk>

on 18/11/03 11:06 am, muinar at evolt at muinar.com wrote:

> Consider using a hosting service that offers mailing list packages with
> mailman, for instance Pair.Com . Mailman lets you customize its HTML
> interfaces, like here for instance (that's my list):
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flashpro

That?s the best looking mailman interface I've seen. We use mojomail as a
lighter easier to customise version of mailman.

I might look at mailman again if its easy to get rid of the default
interface.

Best regards

-- 
Mike Karthauser 
Managing Director - Brightstorm Ltd

Email       >> mikek at brightstorm.co.uk
Web         >> http://www.brightstorm.co.uk
Tel         >> 0117 9426653 (office)
               07939 252144 (mobile)

Snailmail   >> Unit 8, 14 King Square,
               Bristol BS2 8JJ


From seyon at delime.com  Tue Nov 18 08:28:31 2003
From: seyon at delime.com (Marc Seyon)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:28:31 -0400
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt... logs files?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031118074025.02447530@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <57D07C92-196A-11D8-BD0E-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
 <200311170643.1alKAK2Ru3NZFkl0@cockatoo>
 <57D07C92-196A-11D8-BD0E-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20031118102714.0210eff8@mail.delime.com>

Message from John C Bullas (11/18/2003 07:43 AM)
>At 01:55 18/11/2003, Diane Soini wrote
>>>Re: [thelist] robots.txt
>>
>>Thanks for the info. I don't have as much access to the log files as 
>>probably most of you because I don't host the site myself. I suspect the 
>>hosting company I use filters out some of these problems out of their own 
>>self-interest.
>
>If you have a "nice" host you will find the logs UP from your web/http 
>directory when you log in to FTP

I was able to request the raw logs from readyhosting. It's not a by-default 
option though.

regards.
-marc

--
Carnival 2003 in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com
http://www.playyuhself.com/

From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Tue Nov 18 09:46:21 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas (soton.ac.uk relay))
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:46:21 +0000
Subject: [thelist] robots.txt... logs files?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20031118102714.0210eff8@mail.delime.com>
References: <57D07C92-196A-11D8-BD0E-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
 <200311170643.1alKAK2Ru3NZFkl0@cockatoo>
 <57D07C92-196A-11D8-BD0E-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>
 <4.2.0.58.20031118102714.0210eff8@mail.delime.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031118154546.027c94d0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>


>
>I was able to request the raw logs from readyhosting. It's not a 
>by-default option though.

With Easily there were"just there waiting" :)


>regards.
>-marc

******************* John C Bullas **************
Transportation Group
School of Civil Engineering and the Environment
University of Southampton UK

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From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Tue Nov 18 10:34:09 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:34:09 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Printing an ASP page
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51D4@smtmb.tmc.local>

> I get the print window but all it prints is a blank page!

Shipla,

There could be a number of factors preventing your page from displaying. 

1) You have some kind of table structure or images that exceed the page
margins.
2) Have you tried printing the traditional way File > Print...
3) Check to make sure .asp is mapped to your asp.dll file in IIS.
4) Do you have CSS settings that prevent you from printing? ( display: none;
)

Let us know what you find,

Rob

From brian at brianreaves.com  Tue Nov 18 12:02:35 2003
From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:02:35 -0600
Subject: [thelist] JAWS - Demo Available
Message-ID: <3fba6d51$1@127.0.0.1>

JAWS (Software used by the visually impaired and blind to read web 
sites) is offering a free (40 minute) fully operational version of its 
software to test your work. NOTE: It's 34 MB download.

Maybe they have heard the cry of developers and are finally listening.

Go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jaws.asp to get 
more info...

Brian


From Jono at brookgroup.com  Tue Nov 18 13:04:46 2003
From: Jono at brookgroup.com (Jono Young)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:04:46 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JAWS - Demo Available
In-Reply-To: <3fba6d51$1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <BBDFD77D.886A%Jono@brookgroup.com>

They also offer a 60-day trial for $40, that has no time limit on use.  If
you decide to buy the final version after the trial, the $40 will come off
the final price.
-- 
Jono Young
Designer/Illustrator

On 11/18/03 1:02 PM, "Brian W. Reaves" <brian at brianreaves.com> wrote:

> JAWS (Software used by the visually impaired and blind to read web
> sites) is offering a free (40 minute) fully operational version of its
> software to test your work. NOTE: It's 34 MB download.
> 
> Maybe they have heard the cry of developers and are finally listening.
> 
> Go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jaws.asp to get
> more info...





From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Nov 18 13:32:04 2003
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (tim[othy] martens)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:32:04 -1000
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
Message-ID: <3FBA73B4.1010302@hawaii.rr.com>

Hi Evolters!

Looking to buy an SSL certificate for a client and wondering about 
recommendations. I've decided to stay away from Verisign due to past 
indiscretions and overpricing. I have found the following:

http://www.instantssl.com/
http://www.digicert.com/Ecommerce-Web-Hosting-SSLe.html
http://www.geotrust.com/webtrust/index.htm
http://www.thawte.com/buy.html

Are they all the same? Should I just go for the cheapest 128-bit I can find?

thanks,

 -t


From thelist at meidomus.com  Tue Nov 18 13:49:18 2003
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:49:18 +0300
Subject: [thelist] JAWS - Demo Available
In-Reply-To: <3fba6d51$1@127.0.0.1>
References: <3fba6d51$1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <3FBA77BE.8090909@meidomus.com>

Brian W. Reaves wrote:

> JAWS (Software used by the visually impaired and blind to read web 
> sites) is offering a free (40 minute) fully operational version of its 
> software to test your work. NOTE: It's 34 MB download.

Glad I saw this -- because a project that I'm working on is called JAWS 
(Just Another Weather Server) ... guess I'll have to change that.

I owe a tip.

-- 
Burhan Khalid
thelist[at]meidomus[dot]com
http://www.meidomus.com
-----------------------
"Documentation is like sex: when it is good,
  it is very, very good; and when it is bad,
  it is better than nothing."

From list at zettai.net  Tue Nov 18 13:59:27 2003
From: list at zettai.net (george donnelly)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:59:27 -0500
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
In-Reply-To: <3FBA73B4.1010302@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B6BF9BB8-1A01-11D8-B978-000A9599E8D8@zettai.net>

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> http://www.instantssl.com/


fwiw i am using 2 instantssl certs and have 2 client using them as well 
(the cheapest one, like $49/yr) and there have been no problems.

as long as the browsers you need to accept the cert trust it, i would 
say go cheap. hth

<-->
george donnelly ~ http://www.zettai.net/ ~ "Quality Zope Hosting"
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From Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com  Tue Nov 18 14:07:28 2003
From: Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:07:28 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JS or IE6:  refresh prompt
Message-ID: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C9706085B@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>

I have a page (Page 1) that opens a pop-up (Page 2) with a form on it.
When the form on Page 2 is submitted, it makes changes to the database
that generates dynamic content on Page 1, so the script on Page 2 then:
Reloads Page 1, Sets the Focus on Page 1, and Closes Itself.

Problem is, everytime it does this, Page 1 presents the built-in browser
pop-up:  "The page cannot be refreshed without resending the
information. Press retry to send it again ...."  

The page is on an Intranet where only IE6 is used.  Is there a way,
either thru code or browser settings, to execute this code such that the
page will just refresh without prompting the user?

TIA,
Tab

From Anthony at Baratta.com  Tue Nov 18 15:16:58 2003
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:16:58 -0800
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
In-Reply-To: <3FBA73B4.1010302@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031118131604.03490fb0@baratta.com>

At 11:32 AM 11/18/2003, tim[othy] martens wrote:

>Looking to buy an SSL certificate for a client and wondering about 
>recommendations. I've decided to stay away from Verisign due to past 
>indiscretions and overpricing. I have found the following:

I recommend GeoTrust and their QuickSSL option.

         http://www.geotrust.com/quickssl/index.htm

-- 
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Tue Nov 18 15:32:26 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:32:26 -0800
Subject: [thelist] JS or IE6:  refresh prompt
In-Reply-To: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C9706085B@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLIEILLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

tab,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Tab Alleman
>
> I have a page (Page 1) that opens a pop-up (Page 2) with
> a form on it. When the form on Page 2 is submitted, it
> makes changes to the database that generates dynamic
> content on Page 1, so the script on Page 2 then: Reloads
> Page 1, Sets the Focus on Page 1, and Closes Itself.
>
> Problem is, everytime it does this, Page 1 presents the
> built-in browser pop-up:  "The page cannot be refreshed
> without resending the information. Press retry to send
> it again ...."
>
> The page is on an Intranet where only IE6 is used.  Is
> there a way, either thru code or browser settings, to
> execute this code such that the page will just refresh
> without prompting the user?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

make sure that page 1 is always requested from the server via the get method
and not the post method.  i know of no other way to avoid that prompt.

.jeff

------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From jaimz at netspace.net.au  Tue Nov 18 16:45:06 2003
From: jaimz at netspace.net.au (tom jaimz)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:45:06 +1100
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031118131604.03490fb0@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3ae25$a3a30a20$6a00a8c0@tom>


> >Looking to buy an SSL certificate for a client and wondering about 
> >recommendations. I've decided to stay away from Verisign due to past 
> >indiscretions and overpricing. I have found the following:
> 
> I recommend GeoTrust and their QuickSSL option.
> 
>         http://www.geotrust.com/quickssl/index.htm

I use Thawte and I'm happy.

Although GeoTrust also look cool.



From jsWalter at torres.ws  Tue Nov 18 17:01:37 2003
From: jsWalter at torres.ws (jsWalter)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:01:37 -0600
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
In-Reply-To: <3FBA73B4.1010302@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <EBEGKCFDDFJLKNLFBHCCAEINDAAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of tim[othy] martens
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:32 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
>
>
> Hi Evolters!
>
> Looking to buy an SSL certificate for a client and wondering about
> recommendations...

can I ask a stupid question here?

What value does purchasing a SSL cert give you?

Why do I need to buy one, when I can make one myself? My site has it's own
that I rolled myself.

No one has ever asked me about my cert, ever questioned it.

I'm just wondering.

Maybe I should go into the cert business!  ;)

Seriously, does buying a cert really give you anything?

Thanks for your comments.

Walter



From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Tue Nov 18 17:02:31 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:02:31 -0800
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031118131604.03490fb0@baratta.com>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEJFLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

tim,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Anthony Baratta
>
> > Looking to buy an SSL certificate for a client and
> > wondering about recommendations. I've decided to stay
> > away from Verisign due to past indiscretions and
> > overpricing. I have found the following:
>
> I recommend GeoTrust and their QuickSSL option.
>
>          http://www.geotrust.com/quickssl/index.htm
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

i would second that recommendation with one caveat; you don't need to
support webtv users.

that was initially an issue for a client of mine that's using geotrust, but
quickly turned into an annoyance more than anything since he only has one
customer that uses webtv (and it's easy enough to take his orders over the
phone).

.jeff

------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From jaimz at netspace.net.au  Tue Nov 18 18:24:07 2003
From: jaimz at netspace.net.au (tom jaimz)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:24:07 +1100
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
In-Reply-To: <EBEGKCFDDFJLKNLFBHCCAEINDAAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>
Message-ID: <000a01c3ae33$72741080$6a00a8c0@tom>


> Seriously, does buying a cert really give you anything?

Credibility?

I always check to see where the cert is coming from when I'm sending
sensitive data over the net.  If I don't recognise the provider, I won't
send the data.  I won't complain to the webmaster or anything, I'll just
write off the site and look for somewhere else.



From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Tue Nov 18 19:18:28 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:18:28 -0800
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
In-Reply-To: <EBEGKCFDDFJLKNLFBHCCAEINDAAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEKCLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

walter,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: jsWalter
>
> > Looking to buy an SSL certificate for a client and
> > wondering about recommendations...
>
> can I ask a stupid question here?
>
> What value does purchasing a SSL cert give you?
>
> Why do I need to buy one, when I can make one myself? My
> site has it's own that I rolled myself.
>
> No one has ever asked me about my cert, ever
> questioned it.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

the reason for purchasing is that the certificate comes from a root
certificate authority.  without that, every browser capable of ssl will warn
the user that they cert is not from a root certifictate authority and
therefore isn't guaranteed to be from/by who it claims to be from/by.  sure,
clicking "yes/ok" (instead of no/cancel) will still mean the transmission is
secured, but that interruption can be quite distracting and trust-eroding.

in an e-commerce situation, buying a cert that comes from a root certificate
authority is a must-do, not a nice-to-have.

that's why i brought up the issue of the geotrust ssl certs not working with
webtv.  webtv does not recognize the root authority used for geotrust certs
(equifax).  so, no ssl for that browser at all.  it can't even connect to
the site via https.

*most* browsers these days come with a number of root certificate
authorities already installed.  check the compatibility level for each
vendor when making your decision.

.jeff

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Nov 18 20:09:23 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:09:23 +1100
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
References: <EBEGKCFDDFJLKNLFBHCCAEINDAAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>
Message-ID: <04e501c3ae42$27055000$0a345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "jsWalter" <jsWalter at torres.ws>
Subject: RE: [thelist] SSL Certificates


: > Hi Evolters!
: >
: > Looking to buy an SSL certificate for a client and wondering about
: > recommendations...
:
: can I ask a stupid question here?
:
: What value does purchasing a SSL cert give you?
:
: Why do I need to buy one, when I can make one myself? My site has it's own
: that I rolled myself.
:
: No one has ever asked me about my cert, ever questioned it.
:
: I'm just wondering.
:
: Maybe I should go into the cert business!  ;)
:
: Seriously, does buying a cert really give you anything?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you're a company like Amazon.com how much do you think it'll cost them
in:

a) support - people writing in saying that the browser is telling them that
there's some kind of error (since the certificate heirarchy isn't entirely
trusted by their browser)

    -and-

b) lost sales, since some people will just give up.

That's what a cert from a "trusted authority" gives you. Whether you need
that for your particular site depends on what type of customers you have.

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)



From joshua at waetech.com  Tue Nov 18 21:05:04 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:05:04 -0500
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates
References: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLMEKCLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <02c401c3ae49$edf8d860$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Howden" <jeff at jeffhowden.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:18 PM


> that's why i brought up the issue of the geotrust ssl certs not working
with
> webtv.  webtv does not recognize the root authority used for geotrust
certs
> (equifax).  so, no ssl for that browser at all.  it can't even connect to
> the site via https.
>
> *most* browsers these days come with a number of root certificate
> authorities already installed.  check the compatibility level for each
> vendor when making your decision.

Jeff,

Also, you can install the certificates on the server that provide the return
path back to the root authority.  So, even if you install a certificate from
a lesser known vendor and the browser throws a warning, you should be able
to install the vendor's certificate at the server and the warning will stop.

Here's an example of a vendor who has instructions correcting the issue of
the warning:

http://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-support/cert_installation/ssl-certificate-index.html

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From koksa.uh at seznam.cz  Wed Nov 19 02:06:03 2003
From: koksa.uh at seznam.cz (Tomas Kokoska)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:06:03 +0100
Subject: [thelist] JS or IE6:  refresh prompt
References: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C9706085B@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>
Message-ID: <002901c3ae73$fa102520$ca09000a@kukulin>

Try to do it this way (I do):

on the Page 1 append a new form with hidden inputs with names and values
necessary for this page.
Then submit this form from the Page2 instead of refreshing the Page 1.
Other way is to use GET method, but if you want to hide parameters from
user, I didn't find anything better.

Tom


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tab Alleman" <Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: [thelist] JS or IE6: refresh prompt


I have a page (Page 1) that opens a pop-up (Page 2) with a form on it.
When the form on Page 2 is submitted, it makes changes to the database
that generates dynamic content on Page 1, so the script on Page 2 then:
Reloads Page 1, Sets the Focus on Page 1, and Closes Itself.

Problem is, everytime it does this, Page 1 presents the built-in browser
pop-up:  "The page cannot be refreshed without resending the
information. Press retry to send it again ...."

The page is on an Intranet where only IE6 is used.  Is there a way,
either thru code or browser settings, to execute this code such that the
page will just refresh without prompting the user?

TIA,
Tab
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From shilpabhoj at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 02:54:06 2003
From: shilpabhoj at hotmail.com (Shilpa)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:54:06 +0400
Subject: [thelist] Printing an ASP page
In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51D4@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <000001c3ae7a$b020f960$4d010181@shilpa>

Hi Rob,

I solved the problem of the blank page printing. What I did was just
enclose the print button in form tags : <form> <input....> </form>
But when I enclosed the entire page in the form tags, it printed fine.
Silly Me !:)
Shilpa
  

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rob Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:34 PM
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thelist] Printing an ASP page

> I get the print window but all it prints is a blank page!

Shipla,

There could be a number of factors preventing your page from displaying.


1) You have some kind of table structure or images that exceed the page
margins.
2) Have you tried printing the traditional way File > Print...
3) Check to make sure .asp is mapped to your asp.dll file in IIS.
4) Do you have CSS settings that prevent you from printing? ( display:
none;
)

Let us know what you find,

Rob
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From brian at hondaswap.com  Wed Nov 19 05:32:49 2003
From: brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 06:32:49 -0500
Subject: [thelist] ms smart tags?
Message-ID: <005901c3ae90$de1f9040$640110ac@americancustomercare.com>

I recent saw the following in the head of a site:
<meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="true" />

can anyone offer some enlightenment on what this is? pros? cons?

thanks

From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Wed Nov 19 05:47:28 2003
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:47:28 +0000
Subject: [thelist] ms smart tags?
In-Reply-To: <005901c3ae90$de1f9040$640110ac@americancustomercare.com>
Message-ID: <26897FF1-1A86-11D8-80BC-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>


On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 11:32 Europe/London, Brian Cummiskey 
wrote:

> I recent saw the following in the head of a site:
> <meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="true" />
>
> can anyone offer some enlightenment on what this is? pros? cons?

Some IE6 betas would convert text in HTML documents to links based on 
keywords. This turns it off. There isn't much point in having it.

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


From manuel at simplelogica.net  Wed Nov 19 05:51:50 2003
From: manuel at simplelogica.net (Manuel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez?= Noriega)
Date: 19 Nov 2003 12:51:50 +0100
Subject: [thelist] ms smart tags?
In-Reply-To: <005901c3ae90$de1f9040$640110ac@americancustomercare.com>
References: <005901c3ae90$de1f9040$640110ac@americancustomercare.com>
Message-ID: <1069242713.3459.47.camel@nofx>

El mi?, 19-11-2003 a las 12:32, Brian Cummiskey escribi?:
> I recent saw the following in the head of a site:
> <meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="true" />
> 
> can anyone offer some enlightenment on what this is? pros? cons?
> 


It's the solution to a (currently) non existing problem. Back in 2001,
Microsoft threatened the world with its SmartTags technology, scheduled
for XP, that would read webpages and add custom links where it estimated
convenient.

Uproar ensued, and SmartTags were dismissed. Today, that meta tag exists
half as a memorial of the whole issue, half as a way to be as
future-proof as the best :)   

-- 
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Simplel?gica, construcci?n web  
    URL: http://simplelogica.net
    EMAIL: simplelogica at simplelogica.net
    TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65
   
Logicola es el weblog de Simplel?gica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/


From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Wed Nov 19 05:52:31 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:52:31 +1100
Subject: [thelist] ms smart tags?
References: <005901c3ae90$de1f9040$640110ac@americancustomercare.com>
Message-ID: <009701c3ae93$9d647d60$9600a8c0@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Brian Cummiskey" <brian at hondaswap.com>
Subject: [thelist] ms smart tags?


: I recent saw the following in the head of a site:
: <meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="true" />
:
: can anyone offer some enlightenment on what this is? pros? cons?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Whoa - a quick way to start a religious debate! :-)

Before the inevitable responses concerning the evilness of smart-tags,
here's a practical use (it's a very ugly site - I have nothing to do with
it!)

http://www.careers.usyd.edu.au/empcaree.htm

If you use IE, and have Office, you will see the dates underlined. Move your
cursor over the underline. A little box pops-up. Click it to get options
(including adding the event to your Outlook Caledar).

Basically SmartTags are a way of embedding options/information into
documents (and webpages), that allow other users of Office (and IE) to get
this additional information.

Obviously this of most use in an internal/intranet type scenario.

Cheers
Ken


From brian at hondaswap.com  Wed Nov 19 06:02:06 2003
From: brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:02:06 -0500
Subject: [thelist] ms smart tags?
References: <005901c3ae90$de1f9040$640110ac@americancustomercare.com>
	<1069242713.3459.47.camel@nofx>
Message-ID: <007d01c3ae94$f54fb3e0$640110ac@americancustomercare.com>

Thanks all.


----- Original Message ----- 

It's the solution to a (currently) non existing problem.

From keith.underdown at qconsultancy.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 08:35:32 2003
From: keith.underdown at qconsultancy.co.uk (Keith Underdown)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:35:32 -0000
Subject: [thelist]  Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website Using a
	Comp (prior to payment)
In-Reply-To: <00b501c3aa1d$5a2bcfa0$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>
References: <007301c3aa09$05b32540$14f3fea9@tj>
	<00b501c3aa1d$5a2bcfa0$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>
Message-ID: <opryv2tiwr1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>

Isn't this an issue that is solved by using server side generation and 
dynamic pages and links? I use an index.php which gets rendered according 
to the parameters pased in the rest of the URL. It would require the thief 
to generate all the pages statically and to amend all the internal 
navigation links. If he can do that he'd probably attempt to develop the 
site himself anyway!

Keith

-- 
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The Q Consultancy Ltd
KALIDO Information Archtectures Specialists
+44 7798 934782
www.qconsultancy.co.uk

From j.dobson at find-a-part.com  Wed Nov 19 10:01:57 2003
From: j.dobson at find-a-part.com (John Dobson)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:01:57 -0000
Subject: [thelist] XML SMI RSS: TLA  huh?
Message-ID: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A4BA15B@cray.find-a-part.com>

Can anyone point me in a direction of a good resource to explain xml for channel feeds, how you do it, can it be secure, things like that?
 
AHA
 
John

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Wed Nov 19 10:55:30 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:55:30 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Find and Replace Wildcard - Dreamweaver
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51E1@smtmb.tmc.local>

Hey,

This question has been asked over and over again and I can't seem to get a
solid answer.

Is there a wildcard available when doing find and replace (all) in MM
Dreamweaver. I have MX. 

I have say five fields:
name="one"
name="two"
name="three"
name="four"
name="five"

I want do something like find name="*" and replace with nothing.

Is this possible? if so, how?

Rob Smith

From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Wed Nov 19 11:06:21 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:06:21 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Scroll Position (Javascript)
Message-ID: <004901c3aebf$758c4760$0300000a@hershel2000>

I think this should be easy but I'm stuck on it today.

I capture a certain click event and I can figure out the coordinates of that
click. I want now to determine how much VISIBLE space there is in the
browser between that click and the bottom of the VISIBLE area of the
browser.

Does this make sense? In other words, I want to know how many pixels below
the click event the user is able to see in his browser when the click event
happens.

I personally only need this for IE6.

Thanks,
Hershel


From dianesoini at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 19 11:22:40 2003
From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:22:40 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [thelist] Remote Scripting
Message-ID: <16576348.1069262560717.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Pardon me for not already knowing all about this subject, but I was curious about the remote scripting code that was posted a day or two ago.

I gave that code a try and found that it worked like a charm in Mozilla, but didn't work in IE. I either got a system error or I got an error that said "Automation server can't create object". I looked on Microsoft's site and their example code used this object: "WinHttp.WinHttpRequest.5" instead of "Microsoft.XMLHTTP". That's the one that gave the automation server error. 

Wondering if it matters what server you use? Must I use a Microsoft server? I was using Apache tomcat to try this since that was handiest at the time.

Also, I poked around a bit and found some code on my local machine that uses the "Microsoft.XMLDOM" ActiveXObject, and this one works without a server, but you have to traverse the DOM, which can be kind of a pain if you don't know what it will be in advance.

Diane at santabarbarahikes.com

From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Wed Nov 19 11:53:34 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:53:34 -0800
Subject: [thelist]  Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website Using
	aComp (prior to payment)
In-Reply-To: <opryv2tiwr1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEOFLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

keith,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Keith Underdown
>
> Isn't this an issue that is solved by using server side
> generation and dynamic pages and links? I use an
> index.php which gets rendered according to the
> parameters pased in the rest of the URL. It would
> require the thief to generate all the pages statically
> and to amend all the internal navigation links. If he
> can do that he'd probably attempt to develop the site
> himself anyway!
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

i don't mean to burst your bubble, but this is the sort of thing site
downloaders already do.

.jeff

------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From dianesoini at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 19 12:22:38 2003
From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:22:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [thelist] Remote Scripting
Message-ID: <4175604.1069266158801.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Sorry. I answered my own question on remote scripting, activexobjects and what server will or won't work.

Please don't answer my question.

Diane

Diane at santabarbarahikes.com

From cgeorge at basecorp.com  Wed Nov 19 12:57:16 2003
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:57:16 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Find and Replace Wildcard - Dreamweaver
Message-ID: <6E85D194CD14D341AB3AF41DB59D1BAE0DE8D8@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>

Hi,

Not sure if this is *exactly* what you're looking for, but if you do
"Edit" --> "Find and Replace" and then in that dialogue choose Search
For: [Specific Tag] and then choose the tag in question, and then choose
name. The default is "any value". That would wipe out all the name tags
on the page though, not really selective.

Good luck!

Chris.


> Is there a wildcard available when doing find and replace 
> (all) in MM Dreamweaver. I have MX. 
> 
> I have say five fields:
> name="one"
> name="two"
> name="three"
> name="four"
> name="five"

From dunstan at 1976design.com  Wed Nov 19 13:20:11 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:20:11 +0000
Subject: [thelist] JS text-selection script needed
Message-ID: <3FBBC26B.3040401@1976design.com>

Hi everyone,

I wonder if anyone can help me out? I'm looking for some JS that will 
report back to me the 'start character number' and the 'end character 
number' generated when a user drag-selects some text on an HTML page.

I want to be able to calculate what text they've selected by using these 
start and end positions.

Does anyone have anything like this lurking away in their bookmarks?

I'm stumped :o/

Many thanks - Dunstan

-------------------------------------
Dorset, England
Work: http://www.1976design.com/
Play: http://www.1976design.com/blog/
Learn: http://webstandards.org/



From brian at brianreaves.com  Wed Nov 19 13:22:24 2003
From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:22:24 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Bug Tracking S/W
Message-ID: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>

I am looking for a free bug tracking s/w package I can use on a site I 
am working on.

Please send links to S/W you have used and recommend.

TIA,
Brian


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 13:28:15 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:28:15 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Find and Replace Wildcard - Dreamweaver
In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51E1@smtmb.tmc.local>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51E1@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031119192732.02436f90@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 16:55 19/11/2003, Rob Smith wrote
>Hey,
>
>This question has been asked over and over again and I can't seem to get a
>solid answer.
>
>Is there a wildcard available when doing find and replace (all) in MM
>Dreamweaver. I have MX.
>
>I have say five fields:
>name="one"
>name="two"
>name="three"
>name="four"
>name="five"
>
>I want do something like find name="*" and replace with nothing.
>
>Is this possible? if so, how?

By using EditPlus2 or Notepad :)

FB
Dreamweaver3 


From Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com  Wed Nov 19 08:30:18 2003
From: Tab.Alleman at MetroGuide.com (Tab Alleman)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:30:18 -0500
Subject: [thelist] JS:  onSubmit function seems to reset Select input?
Message-ID: <C263956D43E36B4E966EDE6DE7C10C972AF6EE@Yosemite.MetroGuide.RealMetros.RealMetros.com>

James Aylard wrote:

>     If you rewrite it as:
> 
> if (4 == document.forms[f].WhatToDo.selectedIndex)
> 
>     and if you accidentally leave off one of the "equal" signs,
> you'll get an error (since you can't assign a value to a number).
> It's a good coding habit to get into.

Ooooh... Counter-intuitive, but clever.  I like it!  Thanks!

From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 19 14:40:21 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:40:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] permalinks and organizing content
Message-ID: <20031119204021.54643.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I'm currently working on a redesign and my site uses pMachine[1] as
its' blogging engine.

Anyway, my site is/will be a mix of both blog posts and then more
in-depth articles which I'd like to keep separate. In addition I have
the run of the mill content like about, portfolio and so on.

What I really want to have happen is a system not unlike A List
Apart[2] uses (as well as many blogs) where blog entries and articles
have permalinks. These very nice looking links usually look like so:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/
http://www.simplebits.com/archives/2003/11/12/curiosity_cured.html

This either means that said article page[s] are in a directory called
slidingdoors2 - or they are doing some fancy URL rewriting.

On the one hand I worry about so many folders being created (should
I?) and wonder how much work it is. But I do like and want this kind
of system.

Am I stuck using some kind of self-written CMS to do this or is this
doable using a commercial product like pMachine?

TIA

Tom

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[2] http://www.alistapart.com/

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From notabene at f2o.org  Wed Nov 19 15:59:24 2003
From: notabene at f2o.org (s t e f)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:59:24 +0100
Subject: [thelist] XML SMI RSS: TLA  huh?
In-Reply-To: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A4BA15B@cray.find-a-part.com>
References: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A4BA15B@cray.find-a-part.com>
Message-ID: <3FBBE7BC.5020502@f2o.org>

<quote who="John Dobson" when="19/11/03 17:01">

> Can anyone point me in a direction of a good resource to explain xml for channel feeds, how you do it, can it be secure, things like that?

I guess as good a starting point as any is:
- RDF: <http://www.w3.org/RDF/>
- SOAP: <http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/>

You can also, depending on your needs, look into several popular feed 
formats: RSS, FOAF, etc. But eventually you'll see one or two links that 
go back to either the sources listed above or 
<http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/>

FWIW you'll learn that /per se/ feeds are not secure. They're only xml 
files put on a server, so you've got to figure a way to serve them only 
if the right 'tokens' are sent.

Maybe you could restrict access to an xml file by relying on the 
requester's IP, or something.

I went to a conference on SOAP a few months ago and they said that the 
biggest problem at the moment is exactly that: how do you prevent people 
from accessing the feeds, since they've got to be online, somehow.

Since no one in the conference mentioned IP-checking, I guess this 
solution is not *the* solution.

What's your idea? Maybe we can point you to a more specific direction if 
you tell us more?

-- 
s t e f
http://www.nota-bene.org/


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 16:12:00 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:12:00 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Site Downloaders get SSi componants?
In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEOFLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
References: <opryv2tiwr1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
 <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEOFLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031119220957.023ddc18@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 17:53 19/11/2003, you wrote
>keith,
>
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> > From: Keith Underdown
> >
> > Isn't this an issue that is solved by using server side
> > generation and dynamic pages and links? I use an
> > index.php which gets rendered according to the
> > parameters pased in the rest of the URL. It would
> > require the thief to generate all the pages statically
> > and to amend all the internal navigation links. If he
> > can do that he'd probably attempt to develop the site
> > himself anyway!
> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
>i don't mean to burst your bubble, but this is the sort of thing site
>downloaders already do.

Are they so good that they can get the HTML code BEFORE it gets amended 
with any Server Side Includes
before delivery to the browser?

If you use SS Includes I guess the "copier" gets a site that will need 
working to reverse engineer
the common elements?

FB 


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Wed Nov 19 16:17:58 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:17:58 -0800
Subject: [thelist] RE: Site Downloaders get SSi componants?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031119220957.023ddc18@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGEPPLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

john,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: John C Bullas [mailto:jcbullas at nildram.co.uk]
>
> > i don't mean to burst your bubble, but this is the
> > sort of thing site downloaders already do.
>
> Are they so good that they can get the HTML code
> BEFORE it gets amended with any Server Side Includes
> before delivery to the browser?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

did you see my comment just yesterday about this sort of thing?  if not, the
answer is no they cannot.  if they could we'd all have some huge problems to
deal with.  site downloaders do the same basic thing a browser does --
request pages from servers.

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> If you use SS Includes I guess the "copier" gets a site
> that will need working to reverse engineer the common
> elements?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

yes.

.jeff

------------------------------------------------------
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From jaimz at netspace.net.au  Wed Nov 19 16:54:48 2003
From: jaimz at netspace.net.au (tom jaimz)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:54:48 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Find and Replace Wildcard - Dreamweaver
In-Reply-To: <6E85D194CD14D341AB3AF41DB59D1BAE0DE8D8@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c3aef0$26123f60$6a00a8c0@tom>


Hi.

Use regular expressions.

In the case you're looking for, I would recommend using the following
regular expression: name="[^"]*"

Make sure you're searching source code, and your have Use Regular Expression
enabled.  Regular Expressions are very powerful, and you can do pretty much
any find/replace you can think of.  In the above example, the [^"] bit means
any character except for ", and then the * means find it 0 or more times.
For more information about Regular Expressions, check your MX help.

HTH,
Tom.

> Hi,
> 
> Not sure if this is *exactly* what you're looking for, but if you do
> "Edit" --> "Find and Replace" and then in that dialogue choose Search
> For: [Specific Tag] and then choose the tag in question, and 
> then choose
> name. The default is "any value". That would wipe out all the 
> name tags
> on the page though, not really selective.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> > Is there a wildcard available when doing find and replace 
> > (all) in MM Dreamweaver. I have MX. 
> > 
> > I have say five fields:
> > name="one"
> > name="two"
> > name="three"
> > name="four"
> > name="five"
> -- 
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From kverens at contactjuggling.org  Wed Nov 19 17:17:15 2003
From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:17:15 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Bug Tracking S/W
In-Reply-To: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
References: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <3FBBF9FB.5020005@contactjuggling.org>

Brian W. Reaves wrote:

> I am looking for a free bug tracking s/w package I can use on a site I 
> am working on.


http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

Kae


From chris at fuzzylizard.com  Wed Nov 19 17:05:54 2003
From: chris at fuzzylizard.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:05:54 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Bug Tracking S/W
In-Reply-To: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
References: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <3FBBF752.3000701@fuzzylizard.com>

Brian W. Reaves wrote:

> I am looking for a free bug tracking s/w package I can use on a site I 
> am working on.
>
> Please send links to S/W you have used and recommend.
>
> TIA,
> Brian
>
Never used it, but Bugzilla seems to be becoming the standard for bug 
tracking these days.

http://www.bugzilla.org/

chris


From cs1spw at bath.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 17:10:41 2003
From: cs1spw at bath.ac.uk (Simon Willison)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:10:41 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Bug Tracking S/W
In-Reply-To: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
References: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <3FBBF871.4020700@bath.ac.uk>

Brian W. Reaves wrote:

> I am looking for a free bug tracking s/w package I can use on a site I 
> am working on.
> 
> Please send links to S/W you have used and recommend.

The ultimate free bug tracker is Bugzilla, but it's a nightmare to 
install and pretty difficult to use as well. I like phpBugtracker - it's 
an easy install, has a decent but not overly complex feature set and 
basically does what you need a bug tracker to do.

http://phpbt.sourceforge.net/


From evolt at funkwit.com  Wed Nov 19 17:12:22 2003
From: evolt at funkwit.com (Paul Cowan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:12:22 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Bug Tracking S/W
In-Reply-To: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
References: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <1099677803.1069323142@[192.168.2.62]>


--On Wednesday, 19 November 2003 1:22  -0600 "Brian W. Reaves" 
<brian at brianreaves.com> wrote:
> I am looking for a free bug tracking s/w package I can use on a site I am
> working on.

Have only used it briefly, but take a look at Bugzilla, the bug-tracking
software developed by the Mozilla folks:

	<http://www.bugzilla.org/about.html>

Cheers,

Paul.

From evolt at zamba.com  Wed Nov 19 17:26:05 2003
From: evolt at zamba.com (evolt at zamba.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:26:05 +1100
Subject: [thelist]  Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website
	UsingaComp (prior to payment)
In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEOFLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <00ff01c3aef4$80e461d0$8e01a8c0@Workstation>

Yep, using httrack I did this on a client's dynamic gallery site when
they wanted to have a CD running on a couple of PCs at the museum along
with a real life exhibition. There was no opportunity to set up
anything, it simply had to be all on the CDs ready to go. Easy-peasy!

HTH,

Tony Page

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Howden
Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 4:54 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: RE: [thelist] Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website
UsingaComp (prior to payment)


keith,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Keith Underdown
>
> Isn't this an issue that is solved by using server side  generation 
>and dynamic pages and links? I use an  index.php which gets rendered 
>according to the  parameters pased in the rest of the URL. It would
> require the thief to generate all the pages statically
> and to amend all the internal navigation links. If he
> can do that he'd probably attempt to develop the site
> himself anyway!
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

i don't mean to burst your bubble, but this is the sort of thing site
downloaders already do.

.jeff

------------------------------------------------------
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From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 17:42:52 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:42:52 -0000
Subject: [thelist] permalinks and organizing content
In-Reply-To: <20031119204021.54643.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031119204021.54643.qmail@web12603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <oprywr5qnkc4uo5t@localhost>

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:40:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Dell'Aringa 
<pixelmech at yahoo.com> wrote:


>
> Am I stuck using some kind of self-written CMS to do this or is this
> doable using a commercial product like pMachine?
>
> TIA

It's included!

see:

http://www.pmachine.com/docs/manual.html#friendly_urls

hth

Tony

From sbeam at syxyz.net  Wed Nov 19 19:59:30 2003
From: sbeam at syxyz.net (Sam Beam)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:59:30 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Find and Replace Wildcard - Dreamweaver
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031119192732.02436f90@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51E1@smtmb.tmc.local>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031119192732.02436f90@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200311192059.30270.sbeam@syxyz.net>


> >I want do something like find name="*" and replace with nothing.
> >
> >Is this possible? if so, how?
>
> By using EditPlus2 or Notepad :)

notepad? shame on you.

$ perl -pi -e 's{name=".+"}{name=""}' file.name

;)

From sbeam at syxyz.net  Wed Nov 19 20:04:04 2003
From: sbeam at syxyz.net (Sam Beam)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:04:04 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Bug Tracking S/W
In-Reply-To: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
References: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <200311192104.04266.sbeam@syxyz.net>

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 14:22, Brian W. Reaves wrote:
> I am looking for a free bug tracking s/w package I can use on a site I
> am working on.

http://mantisbt.sourceforge.net/
have used it on smallish projects with 2-8 developers and QA people. Easy to 
set up and use.

From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Wed Nov 19 20:06:18 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:06:18 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Site Downloaders get SSi componants?
References: <opryv2tiwr1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
	<HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLOEOFLOAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031119220957.023ddc18@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03ab01c3af0a$e2e8b0a0$32345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "John C Bullas" <jcbullas at nildram.co.uk>
Subject: [thelist] Site Downloaders get SSi componants?


: Are they so good that they can get the HTML code BEFORE
: it gets amended with any Server Side Includes
: before delivery to the browser?
:
: If you use SS Includes I guess the "copier" gets a site
: that will need working to reverse engineer
: the common elements?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All the site-downloader does is issue HTTP commands just like a browser
does. They can't get anything more (or less) than what a browser would get.
They certainly can't "peek" into what the server is doing...

Cheers
Ken


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Nov 19 20:18:09 2003
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (tim[othy] martens)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:18:09 -1000
Subject: [thelist] SSL Certificates  
Message-ID: <3FBC2461.2060704@hawaii.rr.com>

Thanks to everyone for the feedback.


From ngilas2003 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 03:02:01 2003
From: ngilas2003 at yahoo.com (Stevenson N)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:02:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Creating a new project in Microsoft Project Central
Message-ID: <20031120090201.54268.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com>

I have accessed Microsoft Project Central from a browser, but i can't seem to identify the menu option that enables the project managers to add new projects.
 
Am doing it correctly or the new projects are added differently?
 
Please assist!


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From j.dobson at find-a-part.com  Thu Nov 20 03:46:00 2003
From: j.dobson at find-a-part.com (John Dobson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:46:00 -0000
Subject: [thelist] XML SMI RSS: TLA  huh?
Message-ID: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A069383@cray.find-a-part.com>

> > Can anyone point me in a direction of a good resource to 
> > explain xml for channel feeds, how you do it, can it be 
> > secure, things like that?
> 
> What's your idea? Maybe we can point you to a more specific 
> direction if 
> you tell us more?
> 

I am looking into a secure information delivery service to subscribers, that has the push benefits of email, but with a greater guarantee of delivery and a significant speed increase.

I thought that xml stood as a good basis for the raw information, but have little experience of how xml can be delivered and the various advantages and possibilities of the different methods.  I have seen a lot about RSS feeds but didn't know how they are created, but also didn't know if there were more appropriate methods for transmitting the xml.  Such as bespoke VB on the client's machines...

I also seem to have a problem viewing xml files in IE6, everytime I attempted to open an xml page RealOne would burst into life (until I uninstalled it!), and I would be prompted to save an SMI file.  So what's all that about ??!!

Kind regards

John

From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Thu Nov 20 04:31:49 2003
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:31:49 +0000
Subject: [thelist] XML SMI RSS: TLA  huh?
In-Reply-To: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A069383@cray.find-a-part.com>
Message-ID: <BF9C3FD3-1B44-11D8-80BC-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>

On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 09:46 Europe/London, John Dobson wrote:
> I am looking into a secure information delivery service to 
> subscribers, that has the push benefits of email, but with a greater 
> guarantee of delivery and a significant speed increase.

> I thought that xml stood as a good basis for the raw information, but 
> have little experience of how xml can be delivered and the various 
> advantages and possibilities of the different methods.

XML is just text, you can deliver it in the same way as any other text.

> I have seen a lot about RSS feeds but didn't know how they are created

Typically they are generated by the content management system running 
the site. Some people write them by hand.

<http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/12/18/dive-into-xml.html> might help.

RSS feeds are typically accessed by the user running a client that 
polls the server periodically looking for an updated feed file.

You could have your client perform such a poll over https with a 
username and password if you want security.

> I also seem to have a problem viewing xml files in IE6, everytime I 
> attempted to open an xml page RealOne would burst into life (until I 
> uninstalled it!), and I would be prompted to save an SMI file.  So 
> what's all that about ??!!

Probably SMIL <http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/>, IIRC RealOne can handle 
it and probably stole all XML formats as a result.

Delivering raw XML to the browser is rarely a good idea, it should 
usually be transformed in to a different format first. I've been doing 
some work on content negotiation with various XML feeds (And MSIE is 
driving me up the wall because of it), given the amount of things I 
want to do its likely to be some time before anything useful comes to 
light on that subject from me though.
--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


From j.dobson at find-a-part.com  Thu Nov 20 05:29:14 2003
From: j.dobson at find-a-part.com (John Dobson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:29:14 -0000
Subject: [thelist] XML SMI RSS: TLA  huh?
Message-ID: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A4BA161@cray.find-a-part.com>

> > I am looking into a secure information delivery service to 
> > subscribers, that has the push benefits of email, but with 
> a greater 
> > guarantee of delivery and a significant speed increase.
>
> You could have your client perform such a poll over https with a 
> username and password if you want security.
> 

Is it possible to embed various other server side scripting languages (such as ASP) into xml files? 

John

From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 20 07:02:25 2003
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:02:25 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Scroll Position (Javascript)
Message-ID: <Sea2-F39zdfTVSxzW2300002a0c@hotmail.com>



>I think this should be easy but I'm stuck on it today.
>
>I capture a certain click event and I can figure out the coordinates of 
>that
>click. I want now to determine how much VISIBLE space there is in the
>browser between that click and the bottom of the VISIBLE area of the
>browser.
>
>Does this make sense? In other words, I want to know how many pixels below
>the click event the user is able to see in his browser when the click event
>happens.

Take the total height of the page (see 
http://www.quirksmode.org/viewport/compatibility.html)

var y;
var test1 = document.body.scrollHeight;
var test2 = document.body.offsetHeight
if (test1 > test2) // all but Explorer Mac
{
	y = document.body.scrollHeight;
}
else // Explorer Mac;
     //would also work in Explorer 6 Strict, Mozilla and Safari
{
	y = document.body.offsetHeight;
}

Then take the y-coordinate of the click event (see 
http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events_compinfo.html#prop)

	var posy = 0;
	if (!e) var e = window.event;
	if (e.pageX || e.pageY)
	{
		posy = e.pageY;
	}
	else if (e.clientX || e.clientY)
	{
		posy = e.clientY + document.body.scrollTop;
	}

Subtract

var pixelsBelowClick = y - posY;

You've got it.

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From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Thu Nov 20 08:04:21 2003
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:04:21 +0000
Subject: [thelist] XML SMI RSS: TLA  huh?
In-Reply-To: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A4BA161@cray.find-a-part.com>
Message-ID: <704C6A41-1B62-11D8-80BC-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>


On Thursday, Nov 20, 2003, at 11:29 Europe/London, John Dobson wrote:
> Is it possible to embed various other server side scripting languages 
> (such as ASP) into xml files?

Of course (but be careful about the content type the script delivers)

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com  Thu Nov 20 09:11:19 2003
From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:11:19 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Bug Tracking S/W
In-Reply-To: <200311192104.04266.sbeam@syxyz.net>
References: <3fbbd198$1@127.0.0.1> <200311192104.04266.sbeam@syxyz.net>
Message-ID: <3FBCD997.1020304@cygnusinteractive.com>

Sam Beam wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 November 2003 14:22, Brian W. Reaves wrote:
> 
>>I am looking for a free bug tracking s/w package I can use on a site I
>>am working on.
> 
> 
> http://mantisbt.sourceforge.net/
> have used it on smallish projects with 2-8 developers and QA people. Easy to 
> set up and use.

I've used both Bugzilla and Mantis. With Bugzilla if you aren't root on 
the server, or best friends with the server admin, and pretty good at 
perl, don't think it'll be easy. The last time I set up Bugzilla 
(earlier this year) it took the better part of a day. It's definitely 
not a shared-hosting solution. Mantis on the other hand was a very quick 
and easy install, it's written in PHP.

Bugzilla is a good product, it's just a bit of a pain to get up and 
running. It's probably a good choice if you specifically needs it's 
features. On the other hand though, if you want an easy to set up and 
easy to use system, check out Mantis.


Pete





From roselli at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 09:43:40 2003
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:43:40 -0500
Subject: [thelist] [OT] digital camera advice
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1260241308.26460.thelist@lists.evolt.org>


yeah, i know, as a list admin i should know better than to post OT, 
but i'm stuck, and i know there are a lot of talented and 
knowledgable photography-types here... you can reply off-list so we 
don't clog the mailboxes of those who don't care...

i'm looking for a:
- digital camera
- that shoots video, too
- and writes to a media like CD

i'm taking it overseas and want to be able to skip bringing a laptop 
to download images, because i will be taking a lot... so if it could 
write to CD-R, i'd be golden since i can buy those in bulk...

and now my tip...

<tip type="XSLT">
Be sure to test your XSL parser so you know how it writes 
character entities. For example, one version of the MSXML parser 
will write &amp;nbsp; as &nbsp; in the output, and another will 
write it as &amp;nbsp;, which means you'd need to actually write it 
as <xsl:text disable-output-escaping="yes">&nbsp;</xsl:text> to 
get it show properly.

Pay attention to this for symbols like copyright or trademark, as 
they may display correctly in the browser, but may not be the 
encoded character in the HTML.
</tip>

From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Thu Nov 20 09:45:19 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:45:19 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Missing Stats
Message-ID: <004801c3af7d$4da5f340$0300000a@hershel2000>

I have used StatCounteX on several sites I administer and I thought it was
working more or less acceptably.

We recently installed WebLog ( http://www.weblogexpert.com/ ) on the server,
however, and it is reporting FAR more hits than StatCounteX. For one site,
on one day in particular, WebLog shows 70 page views and StatCounteX shows
ZERO.

The next day, StatCounteX does show 2 hits for that site, so it is certainly
enabled and functioning at least somewhat. I am aware that due to the nature
of StatCounteX it certainly COULD be prone to error. But seventy versus
zero?

Anyone have any enlightenment to offer me?

Thanks,
Hershel

From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Thu Nov 20 09:59:12 2003
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:59:12 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Scroll Position (Javascript)
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F39zdfTVSxzW2300002a0c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c3af7f$3dfca220$0300000a@hershel2000>

> >I capture a certain click event and I can figure out the
> coordinates of
> >that
> >click. I want now to determine how much VISIBLE space there is in the
> >browser between that click and the bottom of the VISIBLE area of the
> >browser.
> >
> >Does this make sense? In other words, I want to know how
> many pixels below
> >the click event the user is able to see in his browser when
> the click event
> >happens.

Perhaps I was not clear in what I wanted. I copied your code verbatim, ppk,
just to confirm, but it indeed does not do what I want.

If you look at a web page in a browser and I point out to you a certain
element, perhaps a button, you could then tell me by looking (or measuring
with a measuring tape) how many inches there are from that item to the
bottom of the browser window. If you now scroll the window, that button will
move closer or farther from the bottom of the window and that figure will
change.

http://www.merlinsworld.net/dynapi_ri_dcexamples/dc_sposit_exmpl_4.shtml

The above page keeps the Simulated Watermark always 5 pixels (or so) from
the bottom of the browser. I want to know for any given object, how many
pixels it is from the bottom of the browser.

Thanks,
Hershel


From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Nov 20 10:05:55 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:05:55 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Java... error when Sun JRE is not installed.
Message-ID: <018c01c3af80$2e229980$0300a8c0@client1>

Hello,

I am building a very simple Java applet that exposes public methods that I'm
trying to execute via JavaScript.  When I run the applet on a client that
has Sun JRE installed it works fine.  When it's using MS's Java Viewer on a
machine without Sun's JRE I am seeing the following error in the java
console:

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: MyClass
 at com/ms/vm/loader/URLClassLoader.loadClass
 at com/ms/vm/loader/URLClassLoader.loadClass
 at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.securedClassLoad
 at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent
 at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent
 at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.run
 at java/lang/Thread.run

Any ideas how to make the code cross-platform compatible.

FYI, I'm including the applet using the following code:

<applet name="MyClassApplet" id="MyClassApplet" width="1000" height="1000"
code="MyClass.class">


Your browser is not able to run Java applets. This is probably due to having
Java disabled in your browser settings.


</applet>

I'm executing the public method using the following JS:

document.getElementById("MyClassApplet").methodName();

This works great with Sun's JRE, not at all using MS's viewer.

Thanks in advance for the help.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 10:57:24 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:57:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
Message-ID: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>

I know this question has been asked, but I couldn't find any of the
threads (note to moderator: the link to the full list archive zip
file is broken, I was going to search that).

I'm looking for a PHP host that is low priced but full featured.
Traffic is not much of an issue, but I want to be able to have
HTACCESS, good customer service and a decent web control panel.

TIA

Tom

=====
http://www.pixelmech.com/ :: Web Development Services
http://www.DMXzone.com/ :: JavaScript Author / Every Friday!
http://www.thywordistruth.net/ :: Eternal Life

"I'll ho ho and ha ha you!" (Daffy Duck)

From keith.underdown at qconsultancy.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 11:06:34 2003
From: keith.underdown at qconsultancy.co.uk (Keith Underdown)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:06:34 -0000
Subject: [thelist]  Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website
	UsingaComp (prior to payment)
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c3aef4$80e461d0$8e01a8c0@Workstation>
References: <00ff01c3aef4$80e461d0$8e01a8c0@Workstation>
Message-ID: <opryx4g8yh1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>

Ye gods! 5 minutes and there it is! Mind you it's a lot bigger in disc 
space.

Ok - it's no protection at all! Usefull for demo and off line purposes 
though.

Keith


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:26:05 +1100, <evolt at zamba.com> wrote:

> Yep, using httrack I did this on a client's dynamic gallery site when
> they wanted to have a CD running on a couple of PCs at the museum along
> with a real life exhibition. There was no opportunity to set up
> anything, it simply had to be all on the CDs ready to go. Easy-peasy!
>
> HTH,
>
> Tony Page
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Howden
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 4:54 AM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Copyright Infringement - Client Posted Website
> UsingaComp (prior to payment)
>
>
> keith,
>
>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>> From: Keith Underdown
>>
>> Isn't this an issue that is solved by using server side  generation
>> and dynamic pages and links? I use an  index.php which gets rendered
>> according to the  parameters pased in the rest of the URL. It would
>> require the thief to generate all the pages statically
>> and to amend all the internal navigation links. If he
>> can do that he'd probably attempt to develop the site
>> himself anyway!
>> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
> i don't mean to burst your bubble, but this is the sort of thing site
> downloaders already do.
>
> .jeff
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
> R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
> Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/
>



-- 
Keith Underdown (Managing Director)
The Q Consultancy Ltd
KALIDO Information Archtectures Specialists
+44 7798 934782
www.qconsultancy.co.uk

From keith.underdown at qconsultancy.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 11:09:41 2003
From: keith.underdown at qconsultancy.co.uk (Keith Underdown)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:09:41 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
Message-ID: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>

My Awstats shows that various external sites, mostly bloggers, have 
included links to  port 2082 on my website. This is the control panel. It 
goes to a verification screen. What's the purpose of this? Are there 
weaknesses in CPANEL that they are encouraging black hats to probe?

There's no evidence of any one getting through. The last logon info always 
corresponds to me.

-- 
Keith Underdown (Managing Director)
The Q Consultancy Ltd
KALIDO Information Archtectures Specialists
+44 7798 934782
www.qconsultancy.co.uk

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Thu Nov 20 13:18:15 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:18:15 -0600
Subject: [thelist] CD Album Suggestions
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51F5@smtmb.tmc.local>

Hiya,

I received a request to make a CD Album/slide show of about 128 pictures.
The ultimate goal is to have the users stick the CD into their computer and
have it play.

What display formats would you choose to go with? Fading, music, hard images
switching? Have any examples of .exe's, etc?

Thanks,

Rob Smith

From contact at stewartandcompany.net  Thu Nov 20 13:28:07 2003
From: contact at stewartandcompany.net (Stewart & Company)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:28:07 -0500
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
In-Reply-To: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3af9c$6f3c2f00$6aa5aec7@Will>

Hi Tom, 

I recommend http://www.icdsoft.net 300%.  Their support is wonderful.  I
usually get an email back in less than 2 minutes.

If you have any specific questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

Will 

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Tom Dell'Aringa
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:57 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting

I know this question has been asked, but I couldn't find any of the
threads (note to moderator: the link to the full list archive zip
file is broken, I was going to search that).

I'm looking for a PHP host that is low priced but full featured.
Traffic is not much of an issue, but I want to be able to have
HTACCESS, good customer service and a decent web control panel.

TIA

Tom

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From pms at stoutstreet.com  Thu Nov 20 13:37:20 2003
From: pms at stoutstreet.com (patrick)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:37:20 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
In-Reply-To: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
References: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FBD17F0.1020906@stoutstreet.com>

does your CP default to the panel login when you get a 404?

patrick sanders
http://www.stoutstreet.com
web sites that fit



Keith Underdown wrote:

> My Awstats shows that various external sites, mostly bloggers, have
> included links to  port 2082 on my website. This is the control panel.
> It goes to a verification screen. What's the purpose of this? Are
> there weaknesses in CPANEL that they are encouraging black hats to probe?
>
> There's no evidence of any one getting through. The last logon info
> always corresponds to me.
>


From bedouglas at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 13:53:18 2003
From: bedouglas at earthlink.net (bruce)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:53:18 -0800
Subject: [thelist] help!!!
In-Reply-To: <004c01c3af7f$3dfca220$0300000a@hershel2000>
Message-ID: <00b601c3af9f$f5123d60$0301a8c0@Mesa.com>

hey...

looking for a few people in the east bay cali area..... I'll provide a nice
lunch!!!

I'm working on a web site.. putting together the actual layout/text for the
various sections... I really need to bounce my thoughts/get input from
others on how the layout should flow, how it should look, as well as the
actual text...

yeah.. I know this is asking for a lot..

but hey.. no guts.. no glory...

thanks for your time/assistance...

regards...

-bruce
bedouglas at earthlink.net
(925) 866-2790




From cs1spw at bath.ac.uk  Thu Nov 20 14:14:18 2003
From: cs1spw at bath.ac.uk (Simon Willison)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:14:18 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
In-Reply-To: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
References: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FBD209A.9060902@bath.ac.uk>

Keith Underdown wrote:

> My Awstats shows that various external sites, mostly bloggers, have 
> included links to  port 2082 on my website. This is the control panel. 
> It goes to a verification screen. What's the purpose of this? Are there 
> weaknesses in CPANEL that they are encouraging black hats to probe?

Do you check your site statistics using a tool in your control panel? If 
so, what's probably happening is that other bloggers are checking their 
own stats, seeing a link from YOUR stats to their site and following the 
link back to your control panel where they realise that it's a password 
protected tool and surf off somewhere else. If this is the case, the 
referrals coming in to your control panel should be from sites that you 
have received referrals from recently and checked out by clicking a link 
in your own admin panel.


From thelist at meidomus.com  Thu Nov 20 14:21:36 2003
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:21:36 +0300
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
In-Reply-To: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FBD2250.2040309@meidomus.com>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

> I know this question has been asked, but I couldn't find any of the
> threads (note to moderator: the link to the full list archive zip
> file is broken, I was going to search that).
> 
> I'm looking for a PHP host that is low priced but full featured.
> Traffic is not much of an issue, but I want to be able to have
> HTACCESS, good customer service and a decent web control panel.

I can recommend http://www.spenix.com (been hosting with them ever since 
I got my domain name). Matt is a great guy ... quick prompt responses, 
and nothing bad to report. They have a had a few freak accidents (like a 
fire) -- but I never noticed any downtime. I've had a few support 
requests (install a PERL module, and something about spamassasin), and 
they took care of both promptly. The packages have changed a bit since I 
first signed up with them, but their service is great.  .htaccess is 
allowed, and they use cpanel (which is easy to use). Here are their 
version numbers :

Apache : 1.3.29
PERL   : 5.8.0
MySQL  : 4.0.15-standard
PHP    : 4.3.4

You can also try posting a request with your requirement at places like 
WHT ( http://www.webhostingtalk.com ) but you'll have to take the 
responses with a grain of salt.

Best of luck
-- 
Burhan Khalid
thelist[at]meidomus[dot]com
http://www.meidomus.com
-----------------------
"Documentation is like sex: when it is good,
  it is very, very good; and when it is bad,
  it is better than nothing."

From paul at teltest.com  Thu Nov 20 14:30:02 2003
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:30:02 +1300
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
In-Reply-To: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FBD244A.70806@teltest.com>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

>I know this question has been asked, but I couldn't find any of the
>threads (note to moderator: the link to the full list archive zip
>file is broken, I was going to search that).
>
>I'm looking for a PHP host that is low priced but full featured.
>Traffic is not much of an issue, but I want to be able to have
>HTACCESS, good customer service and a decent web control panel.
>
nucleus have been great for me - heaps of features and superb customer 
support
(http://www.nucleus.co.nz)
caveat - Nucleus are based in New Zealand, unsure if this will raise any 
issues with you or not - if you are from the US simply halve the hosting 
costs and that will tell you what you will be paying per month in USD.

-- 
 ------------------------------
	Paul Bennett						
	Internet Developer				
	Teltest Electronic Design		
 ------------------------------			
Email: paul at teltest.com				
Phone: 64 4 237 4557					
Web: http://www.teltest.com		
Wap: http://wap.teltest.com			



From Jono at brookgroup.com  Thu Nov 20 16:09:40 2003
From: Jono at brookgroup.com (Jono Young)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:09:40 -0500
Subject: [thelist] CD Album Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51F5@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <BBE2A5D4.8A5A%Jono@brookgroup.com>

Do you have access to a Mac?  aiPhoto, or iMovie, it will do it all, simple,
effective, and trouble free.  iPhoto can even export your slide show right
to Toast to burn it to CD.

On 11/20/03 2:18 PM, "Rob Smith" <rob.smith at THERMON.com> wrote:

> Hiya,
> 
> I received a request to make a CD Album/slide show of about 128 pictures.
> The ultimate goal is to have the users stick the CD into their computer and
> have it play.
> 
> What display formats would you choose to go with? Fading, music, hard images
> switching? Have any examples of .exe's, etc?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rob Smith



From jabber at raditha.com  Thu Nov 20 16:18:49 2003
From: jabber at raditha.com (Raditha Dissanayake)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:18:49 +0600
Subject: [thelist] Java... error when Sun JRE is not installed.
In-Reply-To: <018c01c3af80$2e229980$0300a8c0@client1>
References: <018c01c3af80$2e229980$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <3FBD3DC9.8080100@raditha.com>

Hi,

Though microsoft calls it java is it really java? I don't see anything 
wrong wtih your applet code but suggest that you look at the object tag 
instead.

Joshua Olson wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I am building a very simple Java applet that exposes public methods that I'm
>trying to execute via JavaScript.  When I run the applet on a client that
>has Sun JRE installed it works fine.  When it's using MS's Java Viewer on a
>machine without Sun's JRE I am seeing the following error in the java
>console:
>
>java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
>java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: MyClass
> at com/ms/vm/loader/URLClassLoader.loadClass
> at com/ms/vm/loader/URLClassLoader.loadClass
> at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.securedClassLoad
> at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent
> at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent
> at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.run
> at java/lang/Thread.run
>
>Any ideas how to make the code cross-platform compatible.
>
>FYI, I'm including the applet using the following code:
>
><applet name="MyClassApplet" id="MyClassApplet" width="1000" height="1000"
>code="MyClass.class">
>
>
>Your browser is not able to run Java applets. This is probably due to having
>Java disabled in your browser settings.
>
>
></applet>
>
>I'm executing the public method using the following JS:
>
>document.getElementById("MyClassApplet").methodName();
>
>This works great with Sun's JRE, not at all using MS's viewer.
>
>Thanks in advance for the help.
>
><><><><><><><><><><>
>Joshua Olson
>Web Application Engineer
>WAE Tech Inc.
>http://www.waetech.com
>706.210.0168
>
>  
>


-- 
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From cgeorge at basecorp.com  Thu Nov 20 16:45:37 2003
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:45:37 -0700
Subject: [thelist] 
 Learning Site help (though maybe just a frames question that needs
 a fresh set of eyes)
Message-ID: <6E85D194CD14D341AB3AF41DB59D1BAE0DE8DF@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>

Hi all,

I'm trying to use the Learning Site Extension for Dreamweaver MX - but
didn't get too far...

I set up a New Learning Site, added some test quiz pages, and everything
is looking good, right? Well, when I preview it in a browser, I get
nothing... Nothing gets rendered (though a view source does reveal that
the frameset code is there, of course).

Is anyone here familiar with Learning Site? Is this a common problem?
Fix?

And, for those who are wondering, here is the frameset's source:

<html>
<head>
<title>Learning Site</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<script language="JavaScript">
function blank() {
   return "<HTML><BODY></BODY></HTML>"
}
</script>
</head>

<frameset frameborder="0" border="0" framespacing="0" rows="100,*"> 
  <frame name="navFrame" src="navigation.htm" frameborder="0"
scrolling="no" noresize marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
  <frameset frameborder="0" border="0" framespacing="0" rows="*,1">  
    <frame name="mainFrame" frameborder="0"
src="javascript:parent.blank()">
    <frame name="cmiresults" scrolling="auto" frameborder="0"
src="javascript:parent.blank()">
  </frameset>
  <noframes> 
  <body>
  <p>This web page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support
them.</p>
  </body>
  </noframes>
</frameset>
</html>

I have a feeling there might be an errant frameset tag, but having
avoiding them for the past 4 years means I'm a bit rusty... It looks ok
to me tho... (famous last words).

Thanks!

Chris.

From hassan at webtuitive.com  Thu Nov 20 16:57:54 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:57:54 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
In-Reply-To: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
References: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FBD46F2.3070801@webtuitive.com>

Keith Underdown wrote:

> There's no evidence of any one getting through. The last logon info 
> always corresponds to me.

Well, yes, anyone who broke in would certainly make it *look* that
way when they left, eh?  :-)

Unless your log's being written direct to a printer, or a remote
syslog, or write-once medium, of course...

-- 
Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com
Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-938-0567   === http://webtuitive.com

                           dream.  code.




From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Thu Nov 20 18:01:39 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:01:39 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Creating a new project in Microsoft Project Central
References: <20031120090201.54268.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <024301c3afc2$a5a3fd90$32345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Stevenson N" <ngilas2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [thelist] Creating a new project in Microsoft Project Central


: I have accessed Microsoft Project Central from a browser, but i
: can't seem to identify the menu option that enables the project
: managers to add new projects.
:
: Am doing it correctly or the new projects are added
: differently?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi,

In Project 2002/Project Server, new projects are published from within MS
Project. Then, they can be administered via the web interface. I'm not sure
if that's the same process you follow for Project 2000/Project Central, but
I would have a quick peek around in Project itself.

However, I have a question - why do you keep posting these questions here?
When it's apparent there doesn't seem to be a large body of people who
extensively use Project? Why not try a Project group?

Cheers
Ken


From chris.price at speed-mail.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 18:57:33 2003
From: chris.price at speed-mail.co.uk (Chris Price)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:57:33 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Have I got my sums right?
In-Reply-To: <BBE312C0.19CC%chris.price@choctaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBE3137D.19CE%chris.price@speed-mail.co.uk>

A couple of weeks ago asked why my IE Win was folding my page and Simon
Perry gave me some really useful hints but I'm not sure if I've solved the
problem.

I have 3 floating divs and the 3rd one is dropping below the other 2.

I've added up the widths and I make the total to be 97% of the parent div.

Are my sums right and will IE Win do what I want if they are?

The page is: http://choctaw.co.uk/

btw Is there a difference between IE on Win200 and WinME.

(Sorry if this appears twice)

--
Chris Price
choctaw.co.uk


From dianesoini at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 20:16:13 2003
From: dianesoini at earthlink.net (Diane Soini)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:16:13 -0800
Subject: [thelist] CSS-content popping down
Message-ID: <ADEF55C1-1BC8-11D8-AA08-00039358CB42@earthlink.net>

I've been toying with CSS table-less layouts, specifically a 2 column 
layout that uses % widths and floats.

It works very well. But the browser it works the worst in is IE (5.2, 
6, Mac, PC). The behavior that I see is that if the content in my 
narrower left-column is too wide, the left-column content pops down to 
the bottom of the page. It also happens if the content in the wider 
right-column is too wide. Instead of scrolling horizontally like the 
other browsers do, the left column just pops down to the bottom.

In other browsers, if the content is too wide, it just overflows the 
edges. I prefer this behavior.

Since I notice this on both Windows and Macintosh, is this something IE 
just does? Or is there a way to fix it? Can you point me to a link?


From paul at teltest.com  Thu Nov 20 21:00:49 2003
From: paul at teltest.com (Paul Bennett)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:00:49 +1300
Subject: [thelist]  Learning Site help (though maybe just a frames
	question that needs a fresh set of eyes)
In-Reply-To: <6E85D194CD14D341AB3AF41DB59D1BAE0DE8DF@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
References: <6E85D194CD14D341AB3AF41DB59D1BAE0DE8DF@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>
Message-ID: <3FBD7FE1.2070905@teltest.com>

Chris George wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm trying to use the Learning Site Extension for Dreamweaver MX - but
>didn't get too far...
>

um, not familiar with Learning Site but that code is telling the 
javascript function (blank () ) to write EMPTY html files 
(<html><body></body></html>) as the frames content. Looks to me like 
that is the problem.

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From joshua at waetech.com  Thu Nov 20 21:59:14 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:59:14 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Have I got my sums right?
References: <BBE3137D.19CE%chris.price@speed-mail.co.uk>
Message-ID: <035701c3afe3$d4207600$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Price" <chris.price at speed-mail.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:57 PM


> I have 3 floating divs and the 3rd one is dropping below the other 2.
>
> I've added up the widths and I make the total to be 97% of the parent div.
>
> Are my sums right and will IE Win do what I want if they are?
>
> The page is: http://choctaw.co.uk/

The 3 div's still have single pixel borders.  Make sure you account for the
borders in your calculations.  Since you said everything added up to 97%,
I'm guessing you didn't account for the 6 pixels that the borders will
stretch the design. Your best bet is to doubly embed the divs...

Set up your borderless, paddingless, and marginless div's with the widths
you want.  Then within each one place a div that has no defined width but
does define the padding, margin, and border.  You can use any units (pixels,
ems, %) you want since you'll not be specifying a width.  If you do this
(and I mentioned this before when you first posted this issue) your problems
will be lessened if not eliminated.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 20 23:14:21 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:14:21 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
Message-ID: <BAY9-F68u81XvxRbwkX0004ca57@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

I know that this was covered recently but there is a web site that has hi 
jacked my home page. Every time I get on, it takes over.

Would some one please repeat the way to handle this?

TIA,

Ken

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From jaimz at netspace.net.au  Thu Nov 20 23:29:13 2003
From: jaimz at netspace.net.au (tom jaimz)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:29:13 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F68u81XvxRbwkX0004ca57@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004501c3aff0$69695b30$6a00a8c0@tom>


Alt-T
Alt-O
Alt-B
Enter

Or did I misunderstand the question?  (I'm assuming IE, btw)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Ken Moore
> Sent: Friday, 21 November 2003 4:14 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know that this was covered recently but there is a web site 
> that has hi 
> jacked my home page. Every time I get on, it takes over.
> 
> Would some one please repeat the way to handle this?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ken
> 
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From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Thu Nov 20 23:30:02 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:30:02 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
References: <BAY9-F68u81XvxRbwkX0004ca57@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <06ba01c3aff0$8385c620$32345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: "Ken Moore" <psm2713 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers


: I know that this was covered recently but there is a web site that has hi
: jacked my home page. Every time I get on, it takes over.
:
: Would some one please repeat the way to handle this?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you talking about your browser's homepage?

Try Lavasoft's Adaware product:
www.lavasoftusa.com

Or the Spybot Search and Destroy product:
http://www.safer-networking.org/

Cheers
Ken

Microsoft MVP - Windows Server (IIS)


From jaimz at netspace.net.au  Thu Nov 20 23:41:06 2003
From: jaimz at netspace.net.au (tom jaimz)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:41:06 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F68u81XvxRbwkX0004ca57@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004701c3aff2$12d21490$6a00a8c0@tom>


I'm more interested in -how- websites can hijack your home page.  Does
anyone know how they do it?  Not that I'd encourage that kind of behaviour..
but AFAIK the only method to set a users homepage is via a JavaScript that
uses a confirmation window.  However I've had my home page hijacked in the
past, but I certainly haven't accepted any JavaScript home page changes..

> I know that this was covered recently but there is a web site 
> that has hi 
> jacked my home page. Every time I get on, it takes over.
> 
> Would some one please repeat the way to handle this?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ken
> 
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From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Thu Nov 20 23:54:49 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:54:49 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
References: <004701c3aff2$12d21490$6a00a8c0@tom>
Message-ID: <078601c3aff3$f9e03500$32345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

Unless a website exploits an unpatched browser, the only other way is by
getting the user to agree to it (eg a javascript popup or similar).

Other ways that are common include installing software (such as ActiveX
controls). For example, installing Kazaa (which is a popular file sharing
app) also results in various bits of spyware etc being installed on your
machine.

If you install an application, you really have no definitive way of knowing
all the changes that it'll make to your system. You have to rely on the word
of the vendor.

Cheers
Ken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "[tom jaimz]" <jaimz at netspace.net.au>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Hi Jackers



I'm more interested in -how- websites can hijack your home page.  Does
anyone know how they do it?  Not that I'd encourage that kind of behaviour..
but AFAIK the only method to set a users homepage is via a JavaScript that
uses a confirmation window.  However I've had my home page hijacked in the
past, but I certainly haven't accepted any JavaScript home page changes..

> I know that this was covered recently but there is a web site
> that has hi
> jacked my home page. Every time I get on, it takes over.
>
> Would some one please repeat the way to handle this?
>
> TIA,


From magic32 at jps.net  Fri Nov 21 00:58:11 2003
From: magic32 at jps.net (Roger Harness)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:58:11 -0800
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
Message-ID: <NFBBIDGIFBJDACDGOJFCOEGCMBAA.magic32@jps.net>

I 2nd Will's suggestion of icdsoft. I've been using them for quite a while
now, and have always been thouroughly satisfied with them! Though I don't
have a high traffic site/needs, I can do just about anything
PHP/MySQL/SSI/etc related.

Price is right too :)

-Roger Harness

> Subject: RE: [thelist] PHP hosting
> Hi Tom,
>
> I recommend http://www.icdsoft.net 300%.  Their support is wonderful.  I
> usually get an email back in less than 2 minutes.
>
> If you have any specific questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
>
> Will
**********************************************
> I know this question has been asked, but I couldn't find any of the
> threads (note to moderator: the link to the full list archive zip
> file is broken, I was going to search that).
>
> I'm looking for a PHP host that is low priced but full featured.
> Traffic is not much of an issue, but I want to be able to have
> HTACCESS, good customer service and a decent web control panel.
>
> TIA
>
> Tom


From john at johnallsopp.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 02:58:42 2003
From: john at johnallsopp.co.uk (john at johnallsopp.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:58:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
In-Reply-To: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50220.135.196.95.248.1069405122.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>

> I'm looking for a PHP host that is low priced but full featured.

www.topclasshost.com is my favourite :-) Dunno about the HTACCESS tho.

Cheers
J






From chris.nimmo at stl.org  Fri Nov 21 02:57:25 2003
From: chris.nimmo at stl.org (Chris Nimmo)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:57:25 -0000
Subject: [thelist] CDONTS and "real" e-mail
Message-ID: <4CE9532F3609934AA6C0383ED5CEC60D6034D5@ntmail2k.ntstl.stl.org>


Is there a way to tell if a message has been sent from a web site using CDONTS (or some similar function) as apart from a proper POP/SMTP mail account?

Chris

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From andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 03:00:51 2003
From: andrew at humanbehaviour.co.uk (Andrew)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:00:51 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
In-Reply-To: <078601c3aff3$f9e03500$32345e81@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <NFBBJDAHDEEMAGMPBCPCMELOHKAA.andrew@humanbehaviour.co.uk>

just to clarify this, are you talking about client side hijacking as opposed to
server side?

Andrew

>


From steve.cook at evitbe.com  Fri Nov 21 03:20:59 2003
From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:20:59 +0100
Subject: SV: [thelist] CDONTS and "real" e-mail
Message-ID: <94B41EC212818F49B4F78F193DEF92D0399658@SBS.ad.evitbe.com>

You can look in the headers for things like these:

	X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0
	X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22

However X- headers are easily altered in the majority of mail components so it's not a problem to spoof another mail program.

.steve


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> Fr?n: Chris Nimmo [mailto:chris.nimmo at stl.org] 
> Skickat: den 21 november 2003 09:57
> Till: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> ?mne: [thelist] CDONTS and "real" e-mail
> 
> 
> 
> Is there a way to tell if a message has been sent from a web 
> site using CDONTS (or some similar function) as apart from a 
> proper POP/SMTP mail account?
> 
> Chris


From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 05:04:54 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:04:54 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Mozilla Browsers, :hover flicker and Graphics cards.
Message-ID: <opryziegdbc4uo5t@localhost>

Having spent a while trying to resolve a problem where rollover effects 
using a:hover would only work in mozilla/firebird while the cursor was 
moving I discovered a very interesting development.

The problem only exhibited on 1 out of 3 screens on my multidisplay 
system! (of course it was the one I was running firebird on!)

has anyone else seen a flicker on menus in Firebird/mozilla?

I've seen a few bugs reported on bugzilla that might be similar and I'm 
wondering if it's a browser issue after all.

my hardware:

WinXP (with multidisplay)

AGNeovo 15" LCD on 3dfx Voodo3 card (has flicker)
LG 15"LCD on Matrox Millenium dualhead (no flicker)
AGNeovo 15" LCD on Matrox Millenium Dualhead (no flicker)

I'm using standard  WinXP mouse dirvers and a Logitech trackball.

I'm trying to find out if it's multidisplay (AGPvsPCI) or Graphics card or 
Mouse drivers perhaps.

any suggestions or similar experiences gratefully received.

TIA

Tony


From simon.perry at si-designs.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 05:22:32 2003
From: simon.perry at si-designs.co.uk (Simon Perry)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:22:32 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Have I got my sums right?
In-Reply-To: <BBE3137D.19CE%chris.price@speed-mail.co.uk>
References: <BBE3137D.19CE%chris.price@speed-mail.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FBDF578.5040207@si-designs.co.uk>

Chris Price wrote:

>A couple of weeks ago asked why my IE Win was folding my page and Simon
>Perry gave me some really useful hints but I'm not sure if I've solved the
>problem.
>
>I have 3 floating divs and the 3rd one is dropping below the other 2.
>
>I've added up the widths and I make the total to be 97% of the parent div.
>
>Are my sums right and will IE Win do what I want if they are?
>
>The page is: http://choctaw.co.uk/
>
>btw Is there a difference between IE on Win200 and WinME.
>
>  
>
Chris,

You have your sums right but IE 5x do not! You page has a margin of 20% 
leaving 80% for the choctaw div to use. Now Gecko based browsers, Opera 
7.2 and IE6 calculate the width of the floats from the width of their 
containing block (choctaw div, 29% of 80%...). Good  old IE 5x  however 
calculates the width of  the floats  from the  width of the viewport and 
therefore use 120% of the viewport before you even start applying 
padding, margins etc. Bump, down goes your right float. Time to apply 
some IE5 box model hacks [1] to feed smaller widths to those pesky IE5 
browsers.

Simon

[1] http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html
[1!] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BoxModelHack




From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 03:50:53 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas (soton.ac.uk relay))
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:50:53 +0000
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting UK
In-Reply-To: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031120165724.27527.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031121094744.02787c40@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 04:57 PM 20-11-03, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:
>I know this question has been asked, but I couldn't find any of the
>threads (note to moderator: the link to the full list archive zip
>file is broken, I was going to search that).
>
>I'm looking for a PHP host that is low priced but full featured.
>Traffic is not much of an issue, but I want to be able to have

Check out easily.co.uk

Faultless tech support and PHP enabled
can use most SSI functions .htaccess, mod rewrite etc etc

http://easily.co.uk/index.php3?exe=virtualhosting

FB

>HTACCESS, good customer service and a decent web control panel.
>
>TIA
>
>Tom


From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 21 06:17:06 2003
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:17:06 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Scroll Position (Javascript)
Message-ID: <Sea2-F41PKDB2wdMeMs000035f7@hotmail.com>



>Perhaps I was not clear in what I wanted. I copied your code verbatim, ppk,
>just to confirm, but it indeed does not do what I want.
>
>http://www.merlinsworld.net/dynapi_ri_dcexamples/dc_sposit_exmpl_4.shtml
>
>The above page keeps the Simulated Watermark always 5 pixels (or so) from
>the bottom of the browser. I want to know for any given object, how many
>pixels it is from the bottom of the browser.
>

Ah, right, you want the coordinates of the event relative to the viewport. 
The clientX/Y properties of an event give it. Compare to window dimensions 
(see http://www.quirksmode.org/viewport/compatibility.html) and you've got 
what you want.

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From k.neirynck at belgacom.net  Fri Nov 21 06:58:18 2003
From: k.neirynck at belgacom.net (Kristof Neirynck)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:58:18 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Java... error when Sun JRE is not installed.
In-Reply-To: <018c01c3af80$2e229980$0300a8c0@client1>
References: <018c01c3af80$2e229980$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <3FBE0BEA.8070500@belgacom.net>

Joshua Olson wrote:

> FYI, I'm including the applet using the following code:
> 
> <applet name="MyClassApplet" id="MyClassApplet" width="1000" height="1000"
> code="MyClass.class">
> Your browser is not able to run Java applets. This is probably due to having
> Java disabled in your browser settings.
> </applet>
> 

Look here:
<http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/guide/plugin/developer_guide/using_tags.html>

You'll end up with something like this:
<object
     classid ="clsid:8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93"
     codebase 
="http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/autodl/jinstall-1_4-windows-i586.cab#Version=1,4,0,0"
     width="250" height="280">
     <param name="code" value="Oefening08b/AppletOefening08b.class">
     <param name="type" value ="application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2">
     <param name="archive" value="AppOefening08b.jar">
     <comment>
	<embed width="250" height="280"
         code="Oefening08b/AppletOefening08b.class"
         type="application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2"
         archive="AppOefening08b.jar"
 
pluginspage="http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/index.html#download">
         <noembed>
             Your browser is completely ignoring this applet!
         </noembed>
	</embed>
     </comment>
</object>


Doesn't validate html-wise, but it makes the browser download the right 
jre and that's what we want, right?


-- 
Kristof


From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 21 07:06:56 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:06:56 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
Message-ID: <BAY9-F62BRArVc4Iu1B00001a23@hotmail.com>

Hi Andrew,

Client side. When I open IE, some process keeps sending me to a different 
site. Resetting the home page site does not workd.

Ken

>From: "Andrew" >just to clarify this, are you talking about client side 
>hijacking as opposed to
>server side?
>
>Andrew

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From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 07:22:44 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:22:44 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Hi Jackers
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F62BRArVc4Iu1B00001a23@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY9-F62BRArVc4Iu1B00001a23@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <opryzor6z6c4uo5t@localhost>

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:06:56 -0700, Ken Moore <psm2713 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> Client side. When I open IE, some process keeps sending me to a 
> different site. Resetting the home page site does not workd.

If the usual adware and spyware cleanser apps don't work, you might try 
this:

http://www.spywareinfo.com/downloads/bhod/

it will root out all the "browser helpers" installed on your system and 
allow you to identify and disable them.

Once you've id'd any that you don't recognize a quick google will probably 
turn up a specific removal tool.

HTH

Tony

From pixelmech at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 08:06:49 2003
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:06:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIDGIFBJDACDGOJFCOEGCMBAA.magic32@jps.net>
Message-ID: <20031121140649.87093.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Roger Harness <magic32 at jps.net> wrote:
> I 2nd Will's suggestion of icdsoft. I've been using them for quite
> a while
> now, and have always been thouroughly satisfied with them! Though I
> don't
> have a high traffic site/needs, I can do just about anything
> PHP/MySQL/SSI/etc related.
> 
> Price is right too :)

Hey Roger, they look pretty good. Do you know if they have
phpMyAdmin? They say they have a "graphical user interface" for mySQL
but don't elaborate...

Tom

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From simon.perry at si-designs.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 08:34:19 2003
From: simon.perry at si-designs.co.uk (Simon Perry)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:34:19 +0000
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
In-Reply-To: <20031121140649.87093.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031121140649.87093.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FBE226B.7070008@si-designs.co.uk>

Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

>--- Roger Harness <magic32 at jps.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>I 2nd Will's suggestion of icdsoft. I've been using them for quite
>>a while
>>now, and have always been thouroughly satisfied with them! Though I
>>don't
>>have a high traffic site/needs, I can do just about anything
>>PHP/MySQL/SSI/etc related.
>>
>>Price is right too :)
>>    
>>
I can't recommend www.clook.net highly enough, I moved myself and a 
couple of clients over a while back and the service has been first 
class. They are a UK company but their servers are split between the UK 
and US with the US offering slightly more for your money. Support has 
been 2nd to none, support tickets have been resolved very quickly and 
often well outside what I would have deemed normal hours. The service 
has all the whistles and bells you may require, including phpMyAdmin, 
and is very well thought out with a high emphasis on security.

Simon

Don't just take my word for it...
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=cdda36c85353fb6f34fec318e939fff6&action=showresults&searchid=1831797&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending




From Brian at hondaswap.com  Fri Nov 21 08:38:16 2003
From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:38:16 -0500
Subject: [thelist] {Spam?} Longdescription?
Message-ID: <000401c3b03d$1e9e2480$e6dffea9@breal>

I was just running the bobby validator, and stumbled upon this:

<img src="bobbylogo.gif" alt="bobbylogo" longdesc="descriptions.html"
width="88" height="31">

Where, descriptions.html goes to a page ABOUT the image.  Is this
supported at all?  I have never seen this before?  Does it validate?



From cgeorge at basecorp.com  Fri Nov 21 08:49:04 2003
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:49:04 -0700
Subject: [thelist]  Learning Site help (though maybe just a framesquestion
	that needs a fresh set of eyes)
Message-ID: <6E85D194CD14D341AB3AF41DB59D1BAE0DE8E2@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>

Hi Paul,

Yes, that is actually the desired functionality - the hidden frame
doesn't need to contain anything, as it is just 1px high -  it's just
the place to write the variables to.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bennett [mailto:paul at teltest.com]
> 
> um, not familiar with Learning Site but that code is telling the 
> javascript function (blank () ) to write EMPTY html files 
> (<html><body></body></html>) as the frames content. Looks to me like 
> that is the problem.

From manuel at simplelogica.net  Fri Nov 21 09:07:58 2003
From: manuel at simplelogica.net (Manuel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez?= Noriega)
Date: 21 Nov 2003 16:07:58 +0100
Subject: [thelist] {Spam?} Longdescription?
In-Reply-To: <000401c3b03d$1e9e2480$e6dffea9@breal>
References: <000401c3b03d$1e9e2480$e6dffea9@breal>
Message-ID: <1069427283.2856.25.camel@nofx>

El vie, 21-11-2003 a las 15:38, Brian Cummiskey escribi?:
> I was just running the bobby validator, and stumbled upon this:
> 
> <img src="bobbylogo.gif" alt="bobbylogo" longdesc="descriptions.html"
> width="88" height="31">
> 
> Where, descriptions.html goes to a page ABOUT the image.  Is this
> supported at all?  I have never seen this before?  Does it validate?
> 
> 

Actually, it's the intended use for the attribute, so it surely
validates :)


http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html


longdesc = uri [CT]
    This attribute specifies a link to a long description of the image.
This description should supplement the short description provided using
the alt attribute. When the image has an associated image map, this
attribute should provide information about the image map's contents.
This is particularly important for server-side image maps. Since an IMG
element may be within the content of an A element, the user agent's
mechanism in the user interface for accessing the "longdesc" resource of
the former must be different than the mechanism for accessing the href
resource of the latter.


-- 
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    EMAIL: simplelogica at simplelogica.net
    TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65
   
Logicola es el weblog de Simplel?gica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/


From andrew at arcticcircle.co.za  Fri Nov 21 00:52:05 2003
From: andrew at arcticcircle.co.za (Andrew Bayley)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:52:05 +0200
Subject: [thelist] CD Album Suggestions
Message-ID: <B35F86AE0466D411BAF4204C4F4F5020ADD578@TRAVELJUNCTIO01>

seems like a job for flash.  this will allow you export to both .exe and
.hqx as well. 


Hiya,

I received a request to make a CD Album/slide show of about 128 pictures.
The ultimate goal is to have the users stick the CD into their computer and
have it play.

What display formats would you choose to go with? Fading, music, hard images
switching? Have any examples of .exe's, etc?

Thanks,

Rob Smith
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From dchampion at clacks.gov.uk  Fri Nov 21 09:12:39 2003
From: dchampion at clacks.gov.uk (Daniel Champion)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:12:39 +0000
Subject: [thelist] {Spam?} Longdescription?
Message-ID: <OFDAB5917B.857FC7BF-ON80256DE5.00534375@LocalDomain>

Perfectly valid but not widely supported yet (but no reason not to 
implement where appropriate):

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#long-descriptions

HTH
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        Subject:        [thelist] {Spam?} Longdescription?


I was just running the bobby validator, and stumbled upon this:

<img src="bobbylogo.gif" alt="bobbylogo" longdesc="descriptions.html"
width="88" height="31">

Where, descriptions.html goes to a page ABOUT the image.  Is this
supported at all?  I have never seen this before?  Does it validate?



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From evolt at david.us-lot.org  Fri Nov 21 09:12:03 2003
From: evolt at david.us-lot.org (David Dorward)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:12:03 +0000
Subject: [thelist] {Spam?} Longdescription?
In-Reply-To: <000401c3b03d$1e9e2480$e6dffea9@breal>
References: <000401c3b03d$1e9e2480$e6dffea9@breal>
Message-ID: <0FD42F04-1C35-11D8-AB8D-000A957E4F00@david.us-lot.org>


On 21 Nov 2003, at 14:38, Brian Cummiskey wrote:
> <img src="bobbylogo.gif" alt="bobbylogo" longdesc="descriptions.html"
> width="88" height="31">
>
> Where, descriptions.html goes to a page ABOUT the image.  Is this
> supported at all?

Yes, JAWS supports it

>   I have never seen this before?

Few people use it

>   Does it validate?

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#edef-IMG

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


From cgeorge at basecorp.com  Fri Nov 21 09:18:16 2003
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:18:16 -0700
Subject: [thelist]  Learning Site help [solved]
Message-ID: <6E85D194CD14D341AB3AF41DB59D1BAE0DE8E3@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>

Hey,

For those who care - the Learning Site Extension also had a comment up
at the very top of the page. I removed that line and the whole thing
works like a charm. Not sure why the page would cack on a comment, but
it's fixed.

Thanks for all your help.

Chris.

From j.dobson at find-a-part.com  Fri Nov 21 09:19:27 2003
From: j.dobson at find-a-part.com (John Dobson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:19:27 -0000
Subject: [thelist] xsl:if query (xml newbie)
Message-ID: <E1E67298B1350C4F91730C0C0AD9BF3A069385@cray.find-a-part.com>

If you have
 
<person>
<salary></salary> 
</person>
in which salary is either empty of not
is
 
<xsl:if test="person/salary">
?<xsl:value-of select="person/salary" />
</xsl:if>
 
the right way to check if it is empty or not, and then provide the salary with the ? sign in front?
 
AHA
 
John

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Fri Nov 21 10:00:59 2003
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:00:59 -0600
Subject: [thelist] CD Album Suggestions
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51F9@smtmb.tmc.local>

I was hoping I wouldn't have to go that route as making photo albums in
Flash can be time consuming. Unless any of you can contribute a wizard, a
tip, or method to batch this thing. I've looked at that Diji Album: 

+'s :: It offers a lot of features and configurations for an album
-'s :: It offers <em><u><strong><blink>A LOT</blink></strong></u></em> of 
       features and configurations for an album

Rob

<><><><><><><><><><><><>

seems like a job for flash.  this will allow you export to both .exe and
.hqx as well. 

<><><><><><><><><><><><>

Hiya,

I received a request to make a CD Album/slide show of about 128 pictures.
The ultimate goal is to have the users stick the CD into their computer and
have it play.

What display formats would you choose to go with? Fading, music, hard images
switching? Have any examples of .exe's, etc?

Thanks,

Rob Smith

From a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov  Fri Nov 21 10:50:40 2003
From: a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov (Alan McCoy)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:50:40 -0500
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
In-Reply-To: <3FBE226B.7070008@si-designs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000201c3b04f$991cc3d0$2b4f5280@Tomato>

I know this question has been beaten to death but, I'd put my money on
www.he.net. Fantastic uptime and VERY fully featured.

Alan


From John.Bedard at ngc.com  Fri Nov 21 11:18:14 2003
From: John.Bedard at ngc.com (John.Bedard at ngc.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:18:14 -0700
Subject: [thelist] xsl:if query (xml newbie)
Message-ID: <DF3050E49860004FA0BB4D892C745958011CACB7@helmt-xmb01>

<xsl:variable name="salary" select="/person/salary" /> 
    <xsl:if test="$salary != ''">
	<xsl:text>?</xsl:text>      
	<xsl:value-of select="/person/salary"/>
    </xsl:if>

Just throwing ? in there does make it through FOP. I threw it into a document I'm working on. I suppose if you want to thorough find the unicode for the character.

HTH,

John

-----Original Message-----
From: John Dobson [mailto:j.dobson at find-a-part.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:19 AM
To: Thelist (E-mail)
Subject: [thelist] xsl:if query (xml newbie)


If you have
 
<person>
<salary></salary> 
</person>
in which salary is either empty of not
is
 
<xsl:if test="person/salary">
?<xsl:value-of select="person/salary" />
</xsl:if>
 
the right way to check if it is empty or not, and then provide the salary with the ? sign in front?
 
AHA
 
John
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From jsWalter at torres.ws  Fri Nov 21 11:38:10 2003
From: jsWalter at torres.ws (jsWalter)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:38:10 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Q re: onSubmit with Mozzila, et al
Message-ID: <NHBBJMGBIKDCKHJPABFJAEABGIAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>

On IE and Opera, my onSubmit capture event method works fine if you either
hit the SUBMIT button or hit RETURN.

On Netscape, Mozilla, and Firebird, the SUBMIT button is captured, but the
RETURN is not.

Anyone know any way to capture the RETURN fired SUBMIT event?

Thanks

Walter



From spambait at onpointsolutions.com  Fri Nov 21 11:50:37 2003
From: spambait at onpointsolutions.com (Bob Haroche)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:50:37 -0800
Subject: [thelist] PHP hosting
References: <000201c3b04f$991cc3d0$2b4f5280@Tomato>
Message-ID: <005501c3b057$f972a7b0$9865fea9@OFFICE>

Alan McCoy wrote:
> I know this question has been beaten to death but, I'd put my
> money on www.he.net. Fantastic uptime and VERY fully featured.

I agree 110%.  I hadn't suggested them before though because they
don't offer a terribly robust web-based control panel.
CrystalTech.com, though, does offer PHP hosting, excellent tech
support and a great control panel. They are, however, NT based

-------------
Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
www.OnPointSolutions.com



From info at scribenewmedia.com  Fri Nov 21 12:00:24 2003
From: info at scribenewmedia.com (Tony Grimes)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:00:24 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website
Message-ID: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>

Hi guys,

Is there any way to find the past version of a website? A client referenced
a third party conference website as a perfect example of the kind of site
they had in mind for our project. Unfortunately, the conference was last
month and all that's left is a summary. Is there any way to get a copy of
the site before it changed?

I've tried Google's cache, but they've already re-indexed the site. I
remember reading about Internet archive projects that try to archive past
versions of the Web, but I can't find any for the life of me. Does anyone
have any ideas, short of asking the webmaster for a copy (which I might do)?

TIA,

Tony


From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 12:44:56 2003
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:44:56 -0000
Subject: [thelist] CD Album Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51F5@smtmb.tmc.local>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E51F5@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <opryz3o6lkc4uo5t@localhost>

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:18:15 -0600, Rob Smith <rob.smith at THERMON.com> 
wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I received a request to make a CD Album/slide show of about 128 pictures.
> The ultimate goal is to have the users stick the CD into their computer 
> and
> have it play.
>
> What display formats would you choose to go with? Fading, music, hard 
> images
> switching? Have any examples of .exe's, etc?

What sort of quality?

If you want bitmap digital quality then I'd suggest multimedia builder, 
which, while feature rich, can be used at a very simplistic level. [1] 
(Autorun CD exe for PC)

If quality is not such an issue, but ease of use for the end viewer is, 
why not go for a VCD/DVD album?

What used to be picturetotv and is now memoriestotv[2] is very ease to 
use, just select images, select transitions add soundtrack?  decide on a 
menu and click the burn to disc button.

the resultant disk (DVD or CDR) will play on any DVD player (domestic or 
PC)

hth

Tony





[1]http://www.mediachance.com/oldindex.html
[2]http://www.picturetotv.com/features.htm?

From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 12:52:35 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:52:35 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>
References: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031121185055.02431e38@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 18:00 21/11/2003, you wrote
>Hi guys,
>
>Is there any way to find the past version of a website? A client referenced
>a third party conference website as a perfect example of the kind of site
>they had in mind for our project. Unfortunately, the conference was last
>month and all that's left is a summary. Is there any way to get a copy of
>the site before it changed?
>
>I've tried Google's cache, but they've already re-indexed the site. I

You can only contact the organisers who put the original website up,
I'm sure they will be honoured to have
their handiwork thus described ans send you a PDF of it if not the code!

FB

>remember reading about Internet archive projects that try to archive past
>versions of the Web, but I can't find any for the life of me. Does anyone
>have any ideas, short of asking the webmaster for a copy (which I might do)?

not worth the effort if you know whose site it is....


>TIA,
>
>Tony
>
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From evolt at matchpenalty.com  Fri Nov 21 12:53:46 2003
From: evolt at matchpenalty.com (Roger Ly)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:53:46 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <9B9B61FC5C65A94EAFC1950F2E58FCF80396B5AE@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>
Message-ID: <9B9B61FC5C65A94EAFC1950F2E58FCF8026FBA53@postal.ksi.homestead-corp.com>

>Is there any way to find the past version of a website? 

www.archive.org may be a good place to start.

Roger
 


From natek at yahoo-inc.com  Fri Nov 21 12:58:31 2003
From: natek at yahoo-inc.com (Nate Koechley)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:58:31 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>
Message-ID: <DOEGJNBBBHOLGFCKENLGKEBEEAAA.natek@yahoo-inc.com>

this might help. it's a pretty impressive effort.

http://www.archive.org/

cheers
nate



-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Tony Grimes
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:00 AM
To: thelist
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website

<snip>
Is there any way to find the past version of a website? ...I remember
reading about Internet archive projects that try to archive past
versions of the Web...
</snip>



From brian at brianreaves.com  Fri Nov 21 13:02:28 2003
From: brian at brianreaves.com (Brian W. Reaves)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:02:28 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>
References: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>
Message-ID: <3fbe700d$1@127.0.0.1>

Try this: http://archive.org/

This is pretty kewl, you can see what sites like Yahoo looked like years 
ago.

Tony Grimes wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Is there any way to find the past version of a website? A client referenced
> a third party conference website as a perfect example of the kind of site
> they had in mind for our project. Unfortunately, the conference was last
> month and all that's left is a summary. Is there any way to get a copy of
> the site before it changed?
> 
> I've tried Google's cache, but they've already re-indexed the site. I
> remember reading about Internet archive projects that try to archive past
> versions of the Web, but I can't find any for the life of me. Does anyone
> have any ideas, short of asking the webmaster for a copy (which I might do)?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Tony
> 


From jayfitz at bayou.com  Fri Nov 21 13:09:00 2003
From: jayfitz at bayou.com (Jay Fitzgerald)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:09:00 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>
References: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031121130754.01c48380@mail.bayou.com>

The Wayback Machine may help - although I am not sure how close to the 
current date they archive or what their schedule is for doing so.

http://www.archive.org

HTH

Jay






At 12:00 PM 11/21/2003, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>Is there any way to find the past version of a website? A client referenced
>a third party conference website as a perfect example of the kind of site
>they had in mind for our project. Unfortunately, the conference was last
>month and all that's left is a summary. Is there any way to get a copy of
>the site before it changed?
>
>I've tried Google's cache, but they've already re-indexed the site. I
>remember reading about Internet archive projects that try to archive past
>versions of the Web, but I can't find any for the life of me. Does anyone
>have any ideas, short of asking the webmaster for a copy (which I might do)?
>
>TIA,
>
>Tony
>
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From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Fri Nov 21 13:24:05 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:24:05 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <BBE3A0C8.6DC1%info@scribenewmedia.com>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLGENPLPAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

tony,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Tony Grimes
> 
> [...] I remember reading about Internet archive projects
> that try to archive past versions of the Web, but 
> can't find any for the life of me. [...]
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

http://www.archive.org/

.jeff

------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From kverens at contactjuggling.org  Fri Nov 21 13:40:19 2003
From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:40:19 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <DOEGJNBBBHOLGFCKENLGKEBEEAAA.natek@yahoo-inc.com>
References: <DOEGJNBBBHOLGFCKENLGKEBEEAAA.natek@yahoo-inc.com>
Message-ID: <3FBE6A23.2010707@contactjuggling.org>

Nate Koechley wrote:
> this might help. it's a pretty impressive effort.
> 
> http://www.archive.org/

they have an interesting feature... I was looking for an older version 
of my site contactjuggling.org, but was told that the site was not 
archived because I had a fully exclusive robots.txt. I then removed that 
file (only yesterday...), and suddenly, the archive had files back to 
2000! I wonder if they actually respect the robots.txt, or ignore it 
"just in case" the site becomes publicly searchable...

Kae


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Fri Nov 21 13:30:13 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:30:13 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Q re: onSubmit with Mozzila, et al
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJMGBIKDCKHJPABFJAEABGIAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLCEOALPAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

walter,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: jsWalter
>
> On IE and Opera, my onSubmit capture event method works
> fine if you either hit the SUBMIT button or hit RETURN.
>
> On Netscape, Mozilla, and Firebird, the SUBMIT button
> is captured, but the RETURN is not.
>
> Anyone know any way to capture the RETURN fired SUBMIT
> event?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

are you saying that hitting the enter key does not submit the form in
mozilla?

or, are you saying that it does submit the form, but doesn't fire the
onsubmit event handler?

.jeff

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From jsWalter at torres.ws  Fri Nov 21 13:39:47 2003
From: jsWalter at torres.ws (jsWalter)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:39:47 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Q re: onSubmit with Mozzila, et al
In-Reply-To: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLCEOALPAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBJMGBIKDCKHJPABFJCEAMGIAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Howden [mailto:jeff at jeffhowden.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:30 PM
> To: jsWalter at torres.ws; thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: RE: [thelist] Q re: onSubmit with Mozzila, et al


> are you saying that hitting the enter key does not submit the form in
> mozilla?
>
> or, are you saying that it does submit the form, but doesn't fire the
> onsubmit event handler?

Hi Jeff,

Sorry I wasn't all that clear.

The form does SUBMIT, my method just doesn't fire. But the SUBMIT button
does fire my method.

So, I need to know how to grab the event via the RETURN key as well.

Thanks

Walter

PS Jeff: what do you want to do about the EXE issue?



From info at scribenewmedia.com  Fri Nov 21 13:53:34 2003
From: info at scribenewmedia.com (Tony Grimes)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:53:34 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Thanks: Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20031121130754.01c48380@mail.bayou.com>
Message-ID: <BBE3BB4E.6DEB%info@scribenewmedia.com>

Thanks for all the responses. Archive.org was the site I was thinking of,
but they didn't have the site I was looking for. I figure if neither
archive.org or Google have a past version, nobody will.

I'm going to take John's advice and email the organizers. They don't have
contact information posted anymore, but I'm sure I can track them down.

Thanks again,

Tony

On 11/21/03 12:09 PM, "Jay Fitzgerald" <jayfitz at bayou.com> wrote:

> The Wayback Machine may help - although I am not sure how close to the
> current date they archive or what their schedule is for doing so.
> 
> http://www.archive.org
> 
> HTH
> 
> Jay


From jeff at jeffhowden.com  Fri Nov 21 15:08:06 2003
From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:08:06 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Q re: onSubmit with Mozzila, et al
In-Reply-To: <NHBBJMGBIKDCKHJPABFJCEAMGIAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>
Message-ID: <HGEGKGDNDPHDKJGDAIMLAEOMLPAA.jeff@jeffhowden.com>

walter,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: jsWalter
>
> > are you saying that hitting the enter key does not
> > submit the form in mozilla?
> >
> > or, are you saying that it does submit the form, but
> > doesn't fire the onsubmit event handler?
>
> Sorry I wasn't all that clear.
>
> The form does SUBMIT, my method just doesn't fire.
> But the SUBMIT button does fire my method.
>
> So, I need to know how to grab the event via the
> RETURN key as well.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

doesn't sound right to me.  can i see an example where the onsubmit fires
for the enter key for ie, but not for mozilla?

thanks,

.jeff

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist
R?sum? - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/
Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/


From keith.underdown at qconsultancy.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 15:20:35 2003
From: keith.underdown at qconsultancy.co.uk (Keith Underdown)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:20:35 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
In-Reply-To: <3FBD17F0.1020906@stoutstreet.com>
References: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
	<3FBD17F0.1020906@stoutstreet.com>
Message-ID: <opry0awlou1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:37:20 -0700, patrick <pms at stoutstreet.com> wrote:

> does your CP default to the panel login when you get a 404?
>
> patrick sanders
> http://www.stoutstreet.com
> web sites that fit
>
>
>
> Keith Underdown wrote:
>
>> My Awstats shows that various external sites, mostly bloggers, have
>> included links to  port 2082 on my website. This is the control panel.
>> It goes to a verification screen. What's the purpose of this? Are
>> there weaknesses in CPANEL that they are encouraging black hats to 
>> probe?
>>
>> There's no evidence of any one getting through. The last logon info
>> always corresponds to me.
>>
>
It's set up by my host and I'm not up to speed on it. It seems to be a 
permissions thing. I get the standard logon panel.

The odd thing is that these sites:

http://www.worldnewslog.com	
http://www.saulem.com	
http://www.wr18.com	
http://www.teoras.com	
http://172.16.1.3:15871/cgi-bin/afterWorkOptions.cgi	
http://www.malixya.com	
http://www.jennifersblog.com	
http://www.mikesspot.com	
http://www.a-b-l-o-g.com

no-longer work properly for me. They mostly give me the Apache test page. 
I could get to some of them yesterday and could see that their links list 
contained a number of :2082 references, which is what alerted me to a 
possible concerted action against CPANEL controlled sites. I've even tried 
on a dial up conection to ensure that I've got a different ip address and 
entered the URL's manually.

It's all very peculiar.



-- 
Keith Underdown (Managing Director)
The Q Consultancy Ltd
KALIDO Information Archtectures Specialists
+44 7798 934782
www.qconsultancy.co.uk

From joshua at waetech.com  Fri Nov 21 15:39:05 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:39:05 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Q re: onSubmit with Mozzila, et al
References: <NHBBJMGBIKDCKHJPABFJCEAMGIAA.jsWalter@torres.ws>
Message-ID: <054d01c3b077$e3528a20$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jsWalter" <jsWalter at torres.ws>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:39 PM


> The form does SUBMIT, my method just doesn't fire. But the SUBMIT button
> does fire my method.
>
> So, I need to know how to grab the event via the RETURN key as well.

Walter,

I often find that when Moz/NS does not seem to be doing what it should in
regards to JavaScript actions (and this may qualify) that opening the
JavaScript console usually reveals that somewhere the JS is throwing an
error.

Type in "javascript:" into the address bar to open the console.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From dunstan at 1976design.com  Fri Nov 21 15:54:17 2003
From: dunstan at 1976design.com (Dunstan Orchard)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:54:17 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Nice titles needs checking in Safari
Message-ID: <3FBE8989.8060907@1976design.com>

Hi there,

I've just added a revamped version of Nice Titles to my site, and 
thought all was well. But a friend has just reported that none of the 
links (on the site) are clickable now in Safari.

I pointed him to a page that doesn't have the Nice Titles JS in it, and 
he said the links on that worked fine.

I wondered if anyone out there with Safri could confirm this link 
problem for me.

Site (and blurb about the nice titles) at:
http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2003/11/21/58/

Many thanks - Dunstan

p.s. on digest, so could you copy me with any replies please? Thank you.

-------------------------------------
Dorset, England
Work: http://www.1976design.com/
Play: http://www.1976design.com/blog/
Learn: http://webstandards.org/



From kverens at contactjuggling.org  Fri Nov 21 16:11:19 2003
From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:11:19 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
In-Reply-To: <opry0awlou1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
References: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
	<3FBD17F0.1020906@stoutstreet.com> <opry0awlou1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FBE8D87.9030404@contactjuggling.org>

Keith Underdown wrote:
> http://www.worldnewslog.com   
> http://www.saulem.com   
> http://www.wr18.com   
> http://www.teoras.com   
> http://172.16.1.3:15871/cgi-bin/afterWorkOptions.cgi   
> http://www.malixya.com   
> http://www.jennifersblog.com   
> http://www.mikesspot.com   
> http://www.a-b-l-o-g.com
> 
> no-longer work properly for me. They mostly give me the Apache test 
> page. I could get to some of them yesterday and could see that their 
> links list contained a number of :2082 references, which is what alerted 
> me to a possible concerted action against CPANEL controlled sites. I've 
> even tried on a dial up conection to ensure that I've got a different ip 
> address and entered the URL's manually.
> 
> It's all very peculiar.

I've been wondering about that. I have a script that alerts me to every 
new referer to my sites, and those sites have been popping up a lot. 
Every time I look, though, I see no mention of the sites they're 
supposedly linking to.

Kae


From matthew.garrett at snet.net  Fri Nov 21 16:56:58 2003
From: matthew.garrett at snet.net (matthew garrett)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:56:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Nice titles needs checking in Safari
In-Reply-To: <3FBE8989.8060907@1976design.com>
Message-ID: <BBE4026A.8778%matthew.garrett@snet.net>

> From: Dunstan Orchard dunstan at 1976design.com
> http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2003/11/21/58/

The links are working for me in Safari (1.0 (v85.5) on Mac OS 10.2.8). FYI:
on other sites I've recently noticed that the mouse doesn't always change to
the "hand" when over links.

matt g


From matthew.garrett at snet.net  Fri Nov 21 17:09:15 2003
From: matthew.garrett at snet.net (matthew garrett)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:09:15 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Forms, foreign characters and Cold Fusion
Message-ID: <BBE4054B.877A%matthew.garrett@snet.net>

Hey,
So, if one expects a lot of international characters in a contact form for
an international client, how does one ensure that the characters are passed
with some integrity, rather than as garbag-y looking stuff?

I've tried a great number of things, but the problem seems to be that the
info is passed from the form as the "wrong" ASCII number. Does this require
a JavaScript to convert the high-ASCII characters to their actual high-ASCII
values, before they are passed to the server?

I'm using Cold Fusion, though I'm not convinced that it matters what I'm
using.

I have the same issue with a form in Flash which calls a CFMAIL tag, but I
haven't tried as many solutions with that just yet.

Thoughts?

Thanks.
matt g


From phillipmvector at comcast.net  Fri Nov 21 16:36:22 2003
From: phillipmvector at comcast.net (phillipmvector at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:36:22 +0000
Subject: [thelist] MySQL Database Name
Message-ID: <112120032236.20524.1bf2@comcast.net>

I'm trying to use Cold Fusion to access a MySQL Database. It's asking me for the file name, but I don't see a definitive database name in my directory. Do I need to link each file to make it work or is there one "index" file that willinclude all of the tables and fields?

From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 03:58:41 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:58:41 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
In-Reply-To: <3FBE8D87.9030404@contactjuggling.org>
References: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
 <3FBD17F0.1020906@stoutstreet.com>
 <opry0awlou1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
 <3FBE8D87.9030404@contactjuggling.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122095759.024402a0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>


>
>I've been wondering about that. I have a script that alerts me to every 
>new referer to my sites, and those sites have been popping up a lot. Every 
>time I look, though, I see no mention of the sites they're supposedly 
>linking to.

is this a script to report new links to your site  (ie. there is a referrer 
URL)?

If yes, interested

John


>Kae


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 03:59:43 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:59:43 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Thanks: Finding Past Version of a Website
In-Reply-To: <BBE3BB4E.6DEB%info@scribenewmedia.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031121130754.01c48380@mail.bayou.com>
 <BBE3BB4E.6DEB%info@scribenewmedia.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122095856.02439ed0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 19:53 21/11/2003, you wrote
>Thanks for all the responses. Archive.org was the site I was thinking of,
>but they didn't have the site I was looking for. I figure if neither
>archive.org or Google have a past version, nobody will.
>
>I'm going to take John's advice and email the organizers. They don't have
>contact information posted anymore, but I'm sure I can track them down.

if you have the URL it should be easy to find

email me the URL... and the old page address?

John

jcbullas<at>nildram.co.uk


>Thanks again,
>
>Tony
>
>On 11/21/03 12:09 PM, "Jay Fitzgerald" <jayfitz at bayou.com> wrote:
>
> > The Wayback Machine may help - although I am not sure how close to the
> > current date they archive or what their schedule is for doing so.
> >
> > http://www.archive.org
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Jay
>
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From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 22 05:18:57 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 04:18:57 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
Message-ID: <BAY9-F66oJCIoo8oEoL000077cd@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

I am still having my home page hijacked when I open IE. I have used Spybot 
and Spywareblaster. What can I do to evict them?

Ken

_________________________________________________________________
Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list?  MSN Shopping has lined up some 
good bets!  http://shopping.msn.com


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 05:35:07 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:35:07 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F66oJCIoo8oEoL000077cd@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY9-F66oJCIoo8oEoL000077cd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122112437.024403e8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 11:18 22/11/2003, Ken Moore wrote
>Hi all,
>
>I am still having my home page hijacked when I open IE. I have used Spybot 
>and Spywareblaster. What can I do to evict them?

http://www.spywarekilla.com/ etc

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/bhblaster.html worth a look?

SO change the registry back

reboot

see what comes up?

do you get the same page as homepage everytime you open IE

[ I guess you are not saying the physical page on the server is "gone"? ]
think you must have something in the registry somewheres? or look for a 
javascript .js working

HKEY Current User
Software
Microsoft
Internet Explorer
Start Page

SO load the "logger"

set your preferred page via the MSIE menu

  relauch MSIE after loading the "logger" or reboot

see what "did it"

FB


>Ken
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list?  MSN Shopping has lined up some 
>good bets!  http://shopping.msn.com
>
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>
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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 08:38:46 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:38:46 +0000
Subject: [thelist] OT?: Motherboard: Kobian KOB KT266a FDSX
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122143356.023a9510@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

I am pretty certain my so called Pc Experts have thrown be a li(n)e here:

Motherboard: Kobian KOB KT266a FDSX
Cooling fan connected to the CPUFan1 power connection no other connections

They say the fan speed is controlled by the motherboard

I beg to differ..... Can any one confirm this/deny this

(fan runs at a constant noisiness, any options in BIOS, can't find 'em)

This is a company thAT BLEW 3 motherboards and processors before realising 
the only
common factor between the instances was a shorted out cooling fan ;)

FB 


From kverens at contactjuggling.org  Sat Nov 22 09:07:38 2003
From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:07:38 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122095759.024402a0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
References: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
	<3FBD17F0.1020906@stoutstreet.com> <opry0awlou1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
	<3FBE8D87.9030404@contactjuggling.org>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031122095759.024402a0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FBF7BBA.40305@contactjuggling.org>

John C Bullas wrote:
> is this a script to report new links to your site  (ie. there is a 
> referrer URL)?
> 
> If yes, interested

ok. a script to report new referers for your site. PHP+MySQL:

$infoemail='your at email.address';
if($HTTP_REFERER!=''&&!ereg('searchEngines|otherSitesYouDontCareABOUT',$HTTP_REFERER)){
  if(mysql_num_rows(mysql_query('select * from page_referers where 
page="'.$PHP_SELF.'" and pagereferer="'.$HTTP_REFERER.'"'))<1){
   mysql_query('insert into cj_page_referers set 
page="'.$_PHP_SELF.'",pagereferer="'.$HTTP_REFERER.'"');
   mail($infoemail,"[page referers] $PHP_SELF","$PHP_SELF is linked to 
from $HTTP_REFERER");
  }
}

just place that in a file which is included from every page you want the 
notice on.

the db table is:

CREATE TABLE `page_referers` (
   `id` int(11) NOT NULL auto_increment,
   `page` text,
   `pagereferer` text,
   PRIMARY KEY  (`id`)
) TYPE=MyISAM;

Kae


From kverens at contactjuggling.org  Sat Nov 22 09:15:32 2003
From: kverens at contactjuggling.org (Kae Verens)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:15:32 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Possible exploit
In-Reply-To: <3FBF7BBA.40305@contactjuggling.org>
References: <opryx4mfdc1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
	<3FBD17F0.1020906@stoutstreet.com> <opry0awlou1qbhmw@mail.qconsultancy.co.uk>
	<3FBE8D87.9030404@contactjuggling.org>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031122095759.024402a0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
	<3FBF7BBA.40305@contactjuggling.org>
Message-ID: <3FBF7D94.8030903@contactjuggling.org>

Kae Verens wrote:
>   mysql_query('insert into cj_page_referers set 

sorry - should be page_referers there

Kae


From Anthony at Baratta.com  Sat Nov 22 10:37:20 2003
From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:37:20 -0800
Subject: [thelist] OT?: Motherboard: Kobian KOB KT266a FDSX
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122143356.023a9510@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031122083013.02724bb0@baratta.com>

At 06:38 AM 11/22/2003, John C Bullas wrote:
>I am pretty certain my so called Pc Experts have thrown be a li(n)e here:
>
>Motherboard: Kobian KOB KT266a FDSX
>Cooling fan connected to the CPUFan1 power connection no other connections
>
>They say the fan speed is controlled by the motherboard
>
>I beg to differ..... Can any one confirm this/deny this
>
>(fan runs at a constant noisiness, any options in BIOS, can't find 'em)


Fuzzy memory - I think some higher end board can vary the fan speed. I 
didn't see anything on the Kobian site to suggest this. If your fan is 
noisy - check the mounts or replace it. A noisy fan is either hiting wires 
or vibrating because it's loose, or the bearings are going.

---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys

"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."


From joshua at waetech.com  Sat Nov 22 11:53:39 2003
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:53:39 -0500
Subject: [thelist] OT?: Motherboard: Kobian KOB KT266a FDSX
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122143356.023a9510@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <063401c3b121$8fcdc450$0300a8c0@client1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John C Bullas" <jcbullas at nildram.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:38 AM

> Cooling fan connected to the CPUFan1 power connection no other connections
>
> They say the fan speed is controlled by the motherboard
>
> I beg to differ..... Can any one confirm this/deny this

Correct.. it can't be.

> (fan runs at a constant noisiness, any options in BIOS, can't find 'em)

Look here for quiter fans:

http://www.endpcnoise.com/

> This is a company thAT BLEW 3 motherboards and processors before realising
> the only common factor between the instances was a shorted out cooling fan
;)

If the shorted fan is attached to the same power supply that is attached to
the motherboard then it is conceivable that a short somewhere could cause a
power spike somewhere else and thusly affect the motherboard.

Good luck,

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com
706.210.0168


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 12:05:06 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:05:06 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F66oJCIoo8oEoL000077cd@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY9-F66oJCIoo8oEoL000077cd@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122180449.023b20c0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 11:18 22/11/2003, Ken Moore wrote
>Hi all,

Ken, did my suggestion help?

Fb


>I am still having my home page hijacked when I open IE. I have used Spybot 
>and Spywareblaster. What can I do to evict them?
>
>Ken


From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 22 12:28:19 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:28:19 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
Message-ID: <BAY9-F51NFg6pgiBy7r0000460d@hotmail.com>

Hi

Haven't had time yet. Will let you know.


>From: John C Bullas
>
>Ken, did my suggestion help?
>

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From english_offline at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 13:05:20 2003
From: english_offline at yahoo.com (Administrative HQ)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:05:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122112437.024403e8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031122190520.55303.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi.

I had a problem like this.

Try downloading and running HijackThis:

http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/

Save and Copy the log it produces and then post a
request for help (including the log pasted in) at

http://boards.cexx.org/viewforum.php?f=1

Read Posting Instructions first:

http://boards.cexx.org/viewtopic.php?t=837&sid=785773fc3d4498520206a0aa19df5d63

These folks are experts and solved my problem in a
very short time (together with a couple I hadn't asked
about).

Good luck.

David
--- John C Bullas <jcbullas at nildram.co.uk> wrote:
> At 11:18 22/11/2003, Ken Moore wrote
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I am still having my home page hijacked when I open
> IE. I have used Spybot 
> >and Spywareblaster. What can I do to evict them?
> 

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From english_offline at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 13:08:42 2003
From: english_offline at yahoo.com (Administrative HQ)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:08:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122112437.024403e8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031122190842.79348.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi.

My home page is occasionally hijacked temporarily by
Microsoft Update. Does anyone know what that's about
or how and why they do it?

(Next time I open IE, I'm back to my home page.)

Thanks.

David
--- John C Bullas <jcbullas at nildram.co.uk> wrote:
> At 11:18 22/11/2003, Ken Moore wrote
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I am still having my home page hijacked when I open

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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Sat Nov 22 13:22:50 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:22:50 -0800
Subject: [thelist] OT?: Motherboard: Kobian KOB KT266a FDSX
In-Reply-To: <063401c3b121$8fcdc450$0300a8c0@client1>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHEEKKFPAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> > They say the fan speed is controlled by the motherboard
> >
> > I beg to differ..... Can any one confirm this/deny this
> 
> Correct.. it can't be.

A recent PC Magazine article mentioned a variable-speed fan, but did not
say is was controlled by the motherboard.  It was in a multiple-fan box,
and if the box started to get too hot, or one fan failed, the remaining
fan(s) sped up.

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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 13:55:14 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:55:14 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
In-Reply-To: <20031122190842.79348.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122112437.024403e8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
 <20031122190842.79348.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122194842.024c1a80@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 19:08 22/11/2003, Administrative HQ wrote
>Hi.
>
>My home page is occasionally hijacked temporarily by

#1 You may actually have asked the thing to do this? do you remember?

Control Panel > Automatic Updates (in win 2k)

one of these might launch an alert in the browser?

Check the Windows Update settings (auto install / get ready and alert / 
advise etc etc )

AND..... They do it when an update is available

OR

#2 your machine is infected with the virus(es) that spoof
the MS security updates???? <not certain on this last one, since I have 
never "been there" I believe
fake pages can be opened by these nasties?>

FB

>Microsoft Update. Does anyone know what that's about
>or how and why they do it?
>
>(Next time I open IE, I'm back to my home page.)
>
>Thanks.
>
>David


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sat Nov 22 13:57:16 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:57:16 +0000
Subject: [thelist] OT?: Motherboard: Kobian KOB KT266a FDSX
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHEEKKFPAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>
References: <063401c3b121$8fcdc450$0300a8c0@client1>
 <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHEEKKFPAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122195524.024d1008@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 19:22 22/11/2003, Ed McCarroll wrote
> > > They say the fan speed is controlled by the motherboard
> > >
> > > I beg to differ..... Can any one confirm this/deny this
> >
> > Correct.. it can't be.
>
>A recent PC Magazine article mentioned a variable-speed fan, but did not
>say is was controlled by the motherboard.  It was in a multiple-fan box,
>and if the box started to get too hot, or one fan failed, the remaining
>fan(s) sped up.

you can get these (Volcano 11 and others) that use a temperature probe 
under the processor to
trip the fan speed, I had never heard of one that got a variable voltage 
directly
off of the board via CPUFAN1 plug these fans still need a connection off 
the IDE power feed
as they suggest the power drain off the board may be too high

FB


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From edc at wnc.quik.co.nz  Sat Nov 22 15:46:33 2003
From: edc at wnc.quik.co.nz (michael ensor)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:46:33 +1300
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031122112437.024403e8@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
	<20031122190842.79348.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031122194842.024c1a80@pop3.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005e01c3b142$4ab464c0$216237d2@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: "John C Bullas"
Subject: Re: [thelist] Still getting hujacked


: At 19:08 22/11/2003, Administrative HQ wrote
: >Hi.
: >
: >My home page is occasionally hijacked temporarily by
:
: #1 You may actually have asked the thing to do this? do you remember?
:
: Control Panel > Automatic Updates (in win 2k)
:
: one of these might launch an alert in the browser?
:
: Check the Windows Update settings (auto install / get ready and alert /
: advise etc etc )
:
: AND..... They do it when an update is available
:
: OR
:
: #2 your machine is infected with the virus(es) that spoof
: the MS security updates???? <not certain on this last one, since I have
: never "been there" I believe
: fake pages can be opened by these nasties?
######################################

Check for a registry entry like xxxxxrunoncexxxxxx.dll. It can be removed
but next patch, lo and behold, it will be back.........


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From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 22 16:08:13 2003
From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:08:13 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Why ALA's "JavaScript Image Replacement" Sucks
Message-ID: <Sea2-F31fcFyRS3vM2F0000c15f@hotmail.com>


Over on A List Apart, Christian Heilmann butchers my ideas. It hurts, so I 
struck back.

Why ALA's "JavaScript Image Replacement" Sucks

http://www.quirksmode.org/oddsandends/again_fir.html

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From bird at koolfish.com  Sat Nov 22 21:23:23 2003
From: bird at koolfish.com (Bird)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:23:23 +0700
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hijacked
Message-ID: <004f01c3b171$279394f0$6402a8c0@canthainet.com>

>I am still having my home page hijacked when I open IE. I have used 
>Spybot
>and Spywareblaster. What can I do to evict them?

I also found that Spybot did not fix IE for me.
The program that worked for me was :

http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

Lisa


From todd at promisingsites.com  Sat Nov 22 20:42:16 2003
From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:42:16 -0600
Subject: [thelist] OT:  Terminal Services / router configuration
Message-ID: <20031123024240.HJOZ5790.lakemtao08.cox.net@huskers>

I need help!  Up until recently I have been able to successfully use
terminal services to access my Windows 2000 Server (at home) from remote
locations.  However, my cable company must have blocked my port as I am no
longer able to access it.  I also had WSFTP Server set up so I could pull
files down remotely and that no longer works.  I'm wondering now if I can
reconfigure my router so that I access them using different ports?  I have a
DLink DI 714+ router.  
 
If anyone else has experienced this, has a work around or the knowledge to
do this, I would very much appreciate some assistance.  Feel free to email
me off-list.
 
Thanks!
 
Todd
 
todd at promisingsites.com
 
 

From english_offline at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 01:40:50 2003
From: english_offline at yahoo.com (Administrative HQ)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:40:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
In-Reply-To: <005e01c3b142$4ab464c0$216237d2@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <20031123074050.17251.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks, all.

David


--- michael ensor <edc at wnc.quik.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John C Bullas"
> Subject: Re: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
> 
> 
> : At 19:08 22/11/2003, Administrative HQ wrote
> : >Hi.
> : >
> : >My home page is occasionally hijacked temporarily
> by
> :
> : #1 You may actually have asked the thing to do
> this? do you remember?
> :
> : Control Panel > Automatic Updates (in win 2k)
> :
> : one of these might launch an alert in the browser?
> :
> : Check the Windows Update settings (auto install /
> get ready and alert /
> : advise etc etc )
> :
> : AND..... They do it when an update is available
> :
> : OR
> :
> : #2 your machine is infected with the virus(es)
> that spoof
> : the MS security updates???? <not certain on this
> last one, since I have
> : never "been there" I believe
> : fake pages can be opened by these nasties?
> ######################################
> 
> Check for a registry entry like
> xxxxxrunoncexxxxxx.dll. It can be removed
> but next patch, lo and behold, it will be
> back.........
> 
> 
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
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From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 02:14:54 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:14:54 +0000
Subject: [thelist] OT:  Terminal Services / router configuration
In-Reply-To: <20031123024240.HJOZ5790.lakemtao08.cox.net@huskers>
References: <20031123024240.HJOZ5790.lakemtao08.cox.net@huskers>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031123080530.02446268@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 02:42 23/11/2003, you wrote
>I need help!  Up until recently I have been able to successfully use
>terminal services to access my Windows 2000 Server (at home) from remote
>locations.  However, my cable company must have blocked my port as I am no

have you checked if they have, it would seem strange for an ISP to do 
something so
fundamental without communicating the fact?

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

#1 "Shields up" would probe the ports that were open on your router if you 
run it remotely
AND show what is blocked?

>longer able to access it.  I also had WSFTP Server set up so I could pull

#2 did this stop after a software update or install of anything else?

#3 look at the error log in WSFTP (hit the LOG_WND button)

>files down remotely and that no longer works.  I'm wondering now if I can
>reconfigure my router so that I access them using different ports?  I have a
>DLink DI 714+ router.

ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Gateway/di714/Manual/di714_manual_022202F.pdf

not a 714P+? that is another model and another manual (this one is pretty poor)

#4 Check the "intruder detection log" for evidence of your own activities 
in "getting through"
this will show if the internal router firewall has taken a dislike to you 
trying to get in :)

if your failed attempts do not show up assume they are blocked upstream?

#5 you might set the server to be inside the DMZ temporarily (not for long 
as it will be open to anyone)
and try again, that would tell you if the firewall in the router was 
blocking it

FB

>
>If anyone else has experienced this, has a work around or the knowledge to
>do this, I would very much appreciate some assistance.  Feel free to email
>me off-list.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Todd
>
>todd at promisingsites.com
>
>
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From ken at adOpenStatic.com  Sun Nov 23 05:38:47 2003
From: ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:38:47 +1100
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
References: <20031122190842.79348.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c3b1b6$5bcb4c00$9800a8c0@careersAD.unsw.edu.au>

Possibly (in IE)

Tools -> Internet Options -> Advanced -> Automatically Check for Internet
Explorer Updates (checked)

Cheers
Ken

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From: "Administrative HQ" <english_offline at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [thelist] Still getting hujacked


: My home page is occasionally hijacked temporarily by
: Microsoft Update. Does anyone know what that's about
: or how and why they do it?
:
: (Next time I open IE, I'm back to my home page.)
:
: Thanks.
:
: David
: --- John C Bullas <jcbullas at nildram.co.uk> wrote:
: > At 11:18 22/11/2003, Ken Moore wrote
: > >Hi all,
: > >
: > >I am still having my home page hijacked when I open
:
: > >* * Please support the community that supports you.
: >  * *
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: > Tip Harvester and
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From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 05:48:14 2003
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:48:14 +0000
Subject: [thelist] text/plain for html files
Message-ID: <3FC09E7E.7010303@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

Hi all

Am I right in thinking that if I specify a content-type of "text/plain" 
on an html file (with a .htm(l) exension) that the browser should render 
it as plain text and not parse it as html and thus ignore things like 
linked external CSS files?

I've tried to do this with a page using:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1" />

but with no joy - it still gives me HTML in Moz and Opera.  Is this right?

Regards

Francis



From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 06:01:11 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:01:11 +0000
Subject: [thelist] text/plain for html files
In-Reply-To: <3FC09E7E.7010303@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
References: <3FC09E7E.7010303@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031123115700.02469e28@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

At 11:48 23/11/2003, fstorr wrote
>Hi all
>
>Am I right in thinking that if I specify a content-type of "text/plain" on 
>an html file (with a .htm(l) exension) that the browser should render it 
>as plain text and not parse it as html and thus ignore things like linked 
>external CSS files?

check to see what is set to parse what.....

if the server parsers .shtml, .html and .htm as HTML as default
then I guess the bit you add in the code is too late for the server to hang 
back?

I have

AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .htm
AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .html
AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .ihtml

to force some of my more bizarre extensions to parse HTML

not sure what you could do to stop it parsing HTML

choose a bizarre extension like .thtml? and not set it to parse?

Give that a try?

or maybe miss the <HTML> tags off the page? :)

FB


>I've tried to do this with a page using:
>
><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1" />
>
>but with no joy - it still gives me HTML in Moz and Opera.  Is this right?
>
>Regards
>
>Francis


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 06:40:58 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:40:58 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Hotlinking of pages not images
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031123123352.02470ef0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>

The hotlinking is image is working fine! thanks for the assistance......

Our Mini online resource occasionally gets dragged in to fill
framesets that other webmasters are too lazy to
generate content for....

stick this in the BODY

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">

<!--

if (window != top) top.location.href = location.href;

// -->

</SCRIPT>

busts the page out of any frameset...

I think?

BUT can you stop a page being loaded in a remote frameset
using .htaccess?

FB


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From pandion at gmx.net  Sun Nov 23 07:19:00 2003
From: pandion at gmx.net (pandy)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:19:00 +0100
Subject: [thelist] text/plain for html files
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031123141834.0172f138@mail.gmx.net>

 fstorr wrote:
>Am I right in thinking that if I specify a content-type of "text/plain" on an html file (with a .htm(l) exension) that the browser should render it as plain text and not parse it as html and thus ignore things like linked external CSS files?
>
>I've tried to do this with a page using:
>
><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1" />
>
>but with no joy - it still gives me HTML in Moz and Opera.  Is this right?

Probably because the server sends text/html in its HTTP headers and that takes precedence. When it comes to IE it doesn't work even if you change the content-type server side. When IE sees <html> it parses it. Even if the file has the extension .txt and is served as text/plain.

pandy


From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 07:23:58 2003
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:23:58 +0000
Subject: [thelist] text/plain for html files
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20031123141834.0172f138@mail.gmx.net>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031123141834.0172f138@mail.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <3FC0B4EE.6090408@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

pandy wrote:

> Probably because the server sends text/html in its HTTP headers and that takes precedence. When it comes to IE it doesn't work even if you change the content-type server side. When IE sees <html> it parses it. Even if the file has the extension .txt and is served as text/plain.

+++

Hi

Actually - that's exactly what I'm after.  I've got a presentation to do 
on standards and was trying to get IE to do this.

Regards

F






From evolt at accessibleinter.net  Sun Nov 23 11:05:51 2003
From: evolt at accessibleinter.net (Bill Mason)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:05:51 -0800
Subject: [thelist] text/plain for html files
In-Reply-To: <200311231200.hANC0Tv12414@westhost45.westhost.net>
References: <200311231200.hANC0Tv12414@westhost45.westhost.net>
Message-ID: <3FC0E8EF.5010304@accessibleinter.net>

fstorr wrote:

> Am I right in thinking that if I specify a content-type of "text/plain" 
> on an html file (with a .htm(l) exension) that the browser should render 
> it as plain text and not parse it as html and thus ignore things like 
> linked external CSS files?
> 
> I've tried to do this with a page using:
> 
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1" />
> 
> but with no joy - it still gives me HTML in Moz and Opera.  Is this right?

If the server's mime type is still text/html, then Mozilla will use that 
since the server setting gets priority over the META tag.

IE will not care what you serve as either way: it will deduce the file 
is HTML by examining the content, and just render it as HTML.

Don't know what Opera does, but there are obstacles enough already.  ;)

-- 
Bill Mason
Accessible Internet
evolt at accessibleinter.net
http://www.accessibleinter.net/


From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 13:03:22 2003
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:03:22 +0000
Subject: [thelist] text/plain for html files
In-Reply-To: <3FC0E8EF.5010304@accessibleinter.net>
References: <200311231200.hANC0Tv12414@westhost45.westhost.net>
	<3FC0E8EF.5010304@accessibleinter.net>
Message-ID: <3FC1047A.7060903@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

Bill Mason wrote:

> Don't know what Opera does, but there are obstacles enough already.

+++++

Opera does the same as Moz - will display as text if the file has a .txt 
extension.

Regards

F




From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 23 13:04:12 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:04:12 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
Message-ID: <BAY9-F41HrBhAVk9e4d00008b14@hotmail.com>

John,

No, I still cannot stop it. There have been some other suggestions that I 
will take.

Thanks,

Ken

>From: John C Bullas

>Ken, did my suggestion help?
>

>>I am still having my home page hijacked when I open IE. I have used Spybot 
>>and Spywareblaster. What can I do to evict them?
>>

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From andrew at arcticcircle.co.za  Sat Nov 22 05:28:48 2003
From: andrew at arcticcircle.co.za (Andrew Bayley)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:28:48 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
Message-ID: <B35F86AE0466D411BAF4204C4F4F5020ADD57D@TRAVELJUNCTIO01>

http://www.lavasoft.de make a great spyware removal tool called ad-aware.
the basic version is free.  try it and see.  

Hi all,

I am still having my home page hijacked when I open IE. I have used Spybot 
and Spywareblaster. What can I do to evict them?

Ken

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From alex at acatysmoof.com  Sat Nov 22 11:28:30 2003
From: alex at acatysmoof.com (Alex Teslik)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:28:30 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Nested tables in a popup DIV display incorrectly in Mac IE5
Message-ID: <20031122172028.M83550@acatysmoof.com>

Hello,

     I have had one hell of a time trying to get some fairly simple popup code
to work properly. Currently it works with all browsers except Mac IE5 on OS9.
I know this browser is the pickiest of the lot, but the html code that I am
populating the popup with is braindead simple.
     The problem I am having is that nested tables display incorrectly on Mac
IE5 when they are in a DIV. When I have a nested table in a DIV IE5 breaks the
table into its constituant tables, but displays them vertically stacked on top
of each other. The result is a table that is the correct width, but is
multiple "table-heights" in height. Setting the bgcolors allows one to see
each table separately in all its erroneous glory.

Nested tables in a DIV also cause all of the text to be smashed to the bottom
of the DIV, but only in Mac IE5.

I've posted a simple page with very clean code that shows the error:

http://www.acatysmoof.com/posting/problems/macIE5divs/index.htm

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Alex

P.S.- I'm not subscribed, please forward responses to my email. Thanks!


From alex at acatysmoof.com  Sat Nov 22 13:35:23 2003
From: alex at acatysmoof.com (Alex Teslik)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:35:23 -0800
Subject: [thelist] IE5.0 Mac help with this table
In-Reply-To: <20030402171807.9739.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030402171807.9739.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031122193407.M72282@acatysmoof.com>

Hi Tom, 

   I was having table problems and came upon your post. I thought your
problems might be related to mine, but they are not. Regardless, I solved your
problem and thought I would share the answer.
   You problem is that you are declaring the class on the tr and table
elements. Declare the classes on the td elements.
   You can see a working example with slightly easier to understand class
names at:

http://www.acatysmoof.com/posting/problems/macIE5divs/test2.htm

HTH,
Alex

---------- Original Message -----------
From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa)
To: 
Sent: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:18:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] IE5.0 Mac help with this table

> I have this grid that is 3 nested tables. The outer table is padding,
> the middle table had the grid background color, and the inside table
> is the content. It works fine everywhere except Mac IE5 (big
> surprise). The *vertical* lines do not show up in the INTERIOR of the
> page.
> 
> This is pretty basic stuff, and I am using HTML4 doctype, so I can't
> imagine what the problem is.. any mac experts out there? Below is the
> code.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Tom
> =================================================================
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"
>   "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd">
> 
> <html>
> <head>
> 	<title>Untitled</title>
> <style type="text/css">
> .resultTableGrid {background: #999999; }
> .resultTableBody {background: #FFFFFF;}
> </style>
> </head>
> 
> <body>
> 
> <!-- section 1 -->
> <!-- padding for space between outer border and search results border
> -->
> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="15" border="0" width="100%"
> class="resultTableBody">
> <tr>
> 	<td>
> 	<!-- grid -->
> 	<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="100%"
> class="resultTableGrid">
> 	<tr>
> 		<td>
> 		<!-- result body -->
> 		<table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="4" border="0" width="100%">
> 		<tr class="resultTableBody">
> 		    <td>
> 				&bull; Contact Name, Core Id: 5555555</td>
> 		    <td align="center" width="75">
> 				<input type="button" class="button" name="button" value="Select"
> /></td>
> 		</tr>
> 		<tr class="resultTableBody">
> 		    <td>
> 				&bull; Contact Name, Core Id: 5555555</td>
> 		    <td align="center">
> 				<input type="button" class="button" name="button" value="Select"
> /></td>
> 		</tr>
> 		<tr class="resultTableBody">
> 		    <td>
> 				&bull; Contact Name, Core Id: 5555555</td>
> 		    <td align="center">
> 				<input type="button" class="button" name="button" value="Select"
> /></td>
> 		</tr>
> 		</table>
> 		<!-- end result body -->
> 		</td>
> 	</tr>
> 	</table>
> 	<!-- end results grid -->
> 	</td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <!-- end search table padding -->
> <!-- end section 1 -->
> 
> </body>
> </html>
> 
> =====
> http://www.pixelmech.com/
> var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper();
> 
> http://www.maccaws.com/
> [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards]
> 
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> 
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From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 23 13:37:16 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:37:16 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
Message-ID: <BAY9-F20OexhuSxE2H100008ef1@hotmail.com>

Andrew Bayley wrote

>http://www.lavasoft.de make a great spyware removal tool called ad-aware.
>the basic version is free.  try it and see.
>
>Hi all,
>
>I am still having my home page hijacked when I open IE. I have used Spybot
>and Spywareblaster. What can I do to evict them?
>
>Ken
>


Thanks all.

The free version seems to have done it but I am still going to buy the other 
one. I think that they deserve it.

Ken

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From gina at sitediva.com  Sun Nov 23 15:07:13 2003
From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina Anderson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:07:13 -0500
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F20OexhuSxE2H100008ef1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBNHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>

Hi all,

I'm having a little trouble with something I'm trying to do in CSS. I have a
<div class="blogbody"> that surrounds paragraphs of text, and any image in
that div that I display, I want to put a border around. I thought I could do
this without a class.

I tried in the stylesheet:

	img.blogbody {
		border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
		padding: 4px;
		}

Which doesn't seem to work.

	img {
		border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
		padding: 4px;
		}

Obviously puts a border around ALL the images, which I don't want. Why
doesn't img.blogbody work? Can I do this without having to put a class in
the img src code, because I REALLY don't want to. :)

Thanks,
Gina


From manuel at simplelogica.net  Sun Nov 23 15:16:14 2003
From: manuel at simplelogica.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Manuel_Gonz=E1lez_Noriega?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:16:14 +0100
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance
In-Reply-To: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBNHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>
References: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBNHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <3FC1239E.3080304@simplelogica.net>

Gina Anderson wrote:

>I tried in the stylesheet:
>
>	img.blogbody {
>		border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
>		padding: 4px;
>		}
>
>Obviously puts a border around ALL the images, which I don't want. Why
>doesn't img.blogbody work? Can I do this without having to put a class in
>the img src code, because I REALLY don't want to. :)
>
>  
>
Yes, you can :)

img.blogbody only selects a <img> element of class "blogbody", that you 
don't have.

What you want is a img that is inside of a div class="blogbody". The way 
to express that with a CSS rule is

div.blogbody img {

border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
		padding: 4px;

}


Now that should work.

-- 
Manuel Gonz?lez Noriega
Simplel?gica, construcci?n web @ http://simplelogica.net
Logicola es el weblog de Simplel?gica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/



From SCaudill at municode.com  Sun Nov 23 15:19:32 2003
From: SCaudill at municode.com (Stephen Caudill)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:19:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance
Message-ID: <77025926DDD85A4D886C5B8A34E43E7420BED0@exchange.internal.municode.com>

--------------- Gina Anderson wrote: --------------- 
: 
: I tried in the stylesheet:
: 
: 	img.blogbody {
: 		border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
: 		padding: 4px;
: 		}
: 
: Which doesn't seem to work.

Right track, wrong train.  Try:

div.blogbody img{
	border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
	padding: 4px;
}

the above selector translates to:
"Any div with the class 'blogbody' which contains and img tag"

hth,
Stephen Caudill
http://www.mechavox.com/

From headlemur at lemurzone.com  Sun Nov 23 15:33:06 2003
From: headlemur at lemurzone.com (the head lemur)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:33:06 -0700
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance
References: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBNHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3b209$6228d9c0$0200a8c0@ph.cox.net>

why not let the image behavior deal with it?
<img src="image.gif" width="100" height="75" border="1" alt="">
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From gina at sitediva.com  Sun Nov 23 15:32:58 2003
From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina Anderson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:32:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance
In-Reply-To: <3FC1239E.3080304@simplelogica.net>
Message-ID: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBPHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>

Manuel,

Ah-ha! Thank you! This does indeed work. I'm having a hard time wrapping my
head around this part of CSS..the positioning as well. Thanks a bunch,
you've made my day!

Gina

-----Original Message-----
From: Manuel Gonz?lez Noriega [mailto:manuel at simplelogica.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:16 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org; gina at sitediva.com
Subject: Re: [thelist] CSS Guidance


Gina Anderson wrote:

>I tried in the stylesheet:
>
>	img.blogbody {
>		border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
>		padding: 4px;
>		}
>
>Obviously puts a border around ALL the images, which I don't want. Why
>doesn't img.blogbody work? Can I do this without having to put a class in
>the img src code, because I REALLY don't want to. :)
>
>
>
Yes, you can :)

img.blogbody only selects a <img> element of class "blogbody", that you
don't have.

What you want is a img that is inside of a div class="blogbody". The way
to express that with a CSS rule is

div.blogbody img {

border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
		padding: 4px;

}


Now that should work.

--
Manuel Gonz?lez Noriega
Simplel?gica, construcci?n web @ http://simplelogica.net
Logicola es el weblog de Simplel?gica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/





From hassan at webtuitive.com  Sun Nov 23 15:34:10 2003
From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:34:10 -0800
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance
In-Reply-To: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBNHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <C6395243-1DFC-11D8-B237-000393B2CEF8@webtuitive.com>

On Sunday, Nov 23, 2003, at 13:07 US/Pacific, Gina Anderson wrote:

> <div class="blogbody"> that surrounds paragraphs of text, and any 
> image in
> that div that I display, I want to put a border around. I thought I 
> could do
> this without a class.
>
> I tried in the stylesheet:
>
> 	img.blogbody {
> 		border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
> 		padding: 4px;
> 		}
>
> Which doesn't seem to work

because that *means* any IMG with a CLASS="blogbody" ...

> 	img {
> 		border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
> 		padding: 4px;
> 		}
>
> Obviously puts a border around ALL the images, which I don't want. Why
> doesn't img.blogbody work? Can I do this without having to put a class 
> in
> the img src code, because I REALLY don't want to. :)

.blogbody img  {
	/* properties */
	}

Descendant selectors:
   <http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#descendant-selectors>

The Recommendations are your friends :-)
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From cs1spw at bath.ac.uk  Sun Nov 23 16:36:20 2003
From: cs1spw at bath.ac.uk (Simon Willison)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:36:20 -0600
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance
In-Reply-To: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBPHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>
References: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBPHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <3FC13664.5020902@bath.ac.uk>

Gina Anderson wrote:
> Ah-ha! Thank you! This does indeed work. I'm having a hard time wrapping my
> head around this part of CSS..the positioning as well. Thanks a bunch,
> you've made my day!

CSS selectors (the stuff like "div.blogbody img") are in my opinion the 
most undervalued part of CSS - if you learn how to use them properly you 
can greatly reduce the amount of markup you need in your document to 
allow you to effectively hook in CSS. Just as an example, the following:

<style type="text/css">
p.bodypara {
   border-bottom: 1px solid black;
}
</style>
<div>
<p class="bodypara">hi there...</p>
<p class="bodypara">another paragraph</p>
<p class="bodypara">and another</p>
<p class="bodypara">and another</p>
<p class="bodypara">and another...</p>
</div>

Can be replaced by:

<style type="text/css">
div.body p {
   border-bottom: 1px solid black;
}
</style>
<div class="body">
<p>hi there...</p>
<p>another paragraph</p>
<p>and another</p>
<p>and another</p>
<p>and another...</p>
</div>

That's the power of rule based design. Selectors aren't actually that 
complicated once you get the hang of them - you might find my CSS 
selector tutorial useful: 
http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/05/18/anatomyOfAStylesheet


From jcbullas at nildram.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 16:37:39 2003
From: jcbullas at nildram.co.uk (John C Bullas)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:37:39 +0000
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
In-Reply-To: <BAY9-F20OexhuSxE2H100008ef1@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY9-F20OexhuSxE2H100008ef1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031123223709.02452ef0@pop3.nildram.co.uk>


>
>Thanks all.
>
>The free version seems to have done it but I am still going to buy the 
>other one. I think that they deserve it.

What was it causing the hijack, I for one would like to know!

john


>Ken


From harvester at lists.evolt.org  Sun Nov 23 18:00:13 2003
From: harvester at lists.evolt.org (harvester at lists.evolt.org)
Date: 24 Nov 2003 00:00:13 -0000
Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Nov 17, 2003
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From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 23 18:47:26 2003
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:47:26 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Still getting hujacked
Message-ID: <BAY9-F34RJslXdIKgel0000a057@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

First, thanks for all of the help. I was going crazy.


John C Bullas wrote

>What was it causing the hijack, I for one would like to know!


There were about 50 registry settings that got deleted and about 5 files 
executables that had snuck in. Beyound that I do not know. All I know about 
the registry is that messing with it causes very serious problems and it is 
easy to do.

Thanks again.

Ken

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From beau at hartshorne.ca  Sun Nov 23 20:55:36 2003
From: beau at hartshorne.ca (Beau Hartshorne)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:55:36 -0500
Subject: [thelist] DHTML Menus
Message-ID: <000401c3b236$6fec6f90$6501a8c0@hartshorne>

Hi all,

I wanted to implement some DHTML menus on a site, and liked the idea
behind the Gazingus code:

http://www.gazingus.org/html/Using_Lists_for_DHTML_Menus.html

example:

http://www.gazingus.org/html/menuDropdown.html

I've adapted this script to my site, and have made a few changes:

1. I altered it to suit the style of my site, and to work horizontally
instead of vertically.

2. Now users with JavaScript disabled can access the menus (but without
the dropdown effects).

3. I removed as many of the CSS class and ID tags as I could from the
HTML, and instead used more precise CSS selectors to control the style.

4. The menus are activated with an onmouseover instead of an onclick,
and will disappear of you move the mouse out of the submenus.

5. I made a for loop that initialises the script instead of several
initializeMenu calls that needed to match the menu list.

Here's my version:

http://hartshorne.ca/homesystems/template.html
http://hartshorne.ca/homesystems/menu/menu.css
http://hartshorne.ca/homesystems/menu/menu.js

Does anyone have any comments about the code? I'm especially interested
in the "correctness" of the JavaScript and CSS implementations. Also,
does it work in your browser? There are some positioning issues that I
haven't worked out in IE 5 Mac/PC, but they are minor and I don't want
to add any more JavaScript code (especially detect code) than is
necessary to make these work.

Thank you,

Beau


From kisan at blr.vsnl.net.in  Sun Nov 23 21:27:57 2003
From: kisan at blr.vsnl.net.in (kisan)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:57:57 +0530
Subject: [thelist] Content management
Message-ID: <011c01c3b23a$f4b29f20$a68f41db@kisan>

One of my client wants to update two web pages on her own,
instead of me updating it. One of the page is for monthly
tips which she wants
to update herself and another one is to change the name of
the pdf file
and the link reference.

Which is the best way to do it?
Do I need to create database? I am familiar with PHP/MySQL
or
is there a simpler way.

Thanks in advance.

Kisan Bhat


From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com  Sun Nov 23 21:32:40 2003
From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:32:40 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Content management
In-Reply-To: <011c01c3b23a$f4b29f20$a68f41db@kisan>
Message-ID: <019901c3b23b$9d9e7cd0$1d03a8c0@autolycus>

You might want to take a look at Macromedia's Contribute product.

http://www.macromedia.com/software/contribute/

Not a bad option for a one-time $99 fee.

HTH,

Russ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of kisan
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:28 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] Content management
> 
> 
> One of my client wants to update two web pages on her own,
> instead of me updating it. One of the page is for monthly
> tips which she wants
> to update herself and another one is to change the name of
> the pdf file
> and the link reference.
> 
> Which is the best way to do it?
> Do I need to create database? I am familiar with PHP/MySQL
> or
> is there a simpler way.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kisan Bhat
> 
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From zephod at drizzle.com  Sun Nov 23 19:58:20 2003
From: zephod at drizzle.com (Bill Hughey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:58:20 -0800
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance
References: <AOEHLDJAJOBOIKJNGBEIAEBNHCAA.gina@sitediva.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3b22e$6f9b8a10$0201a8c0@billhu1>

Try

blogbody.img {....}

The order should be important (parent-child relationships).


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gina Anderson" <gina at sitediva.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:07 PM
Subject: [thelist] CSS Guidance


> Hi all,
>
> I'm having a little trouble with something I'm trying to do in CSS. I have
a
> <div class="blogbody"> that surrounds paragraphs of text, and any image in
> that div that I display, I want to put a border around. I thought I could
do
> this without a class.
>
> I tried in the stylesheet:
>
> img.blogbody {
> border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
> padding: 4px;
> }
>
> Which doesn't seem to work.
>
> img {
> border: 1px solid #DEDEDE;
> padding: 4px;
> }
>
> Obviously puts a border around ALL the images, which I don't want. Why
> doesn't img.blogbody work? Can I do this without having to put a class in
> the img src code, because I REALLY don't want to. :)
>
> Thanks,
> Gina
>
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From zephod at drizzle.com  Sun Nov 23 23:52:21 2003
From: zephod at drizzle.com (Bill Hughey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:52:21 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Content management
References: <019901c3b23b$9d9e7cd0$1d03a8c0@autolycus>
Message-ID: <000e01c3b24f$21288510$0201a8c0@billhu1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russ" <russ at unrealisticexpectations.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [thelist] Content management


> You might want to take a look at Macromedia's Contribute product.
> 
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/contribute/
> 
> Not a bad option for a one-time $99 fee.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Russ
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org 
> > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of kisan
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:28 PM
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: [thelist] Content management
> > 
> > 
> > One of my client wants to update two web pages on her own,
> > instead of me updating it. One of the page is for monthly
> > tips which she wants
> > to update herself and another one is to change the name of
> > the pdf file
> > and the link reference.
> > 
> > Which is the best way to do it?
> > Do I need to create database? I am familiar with PHP/MySQL
> > or
> > is there a simpler way.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Kisan Bhat
> > 
> > -- 
> > * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> > 
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester 
> > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org 
> > Workers of the Web, evolt ! 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester 
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org 
> Workers of the Web, evolt ! 
>