Im attempting to position the lists in this page flush with the left margin of the test, and just underneath the list text heading. So far the left position is good, but top position is horrible: different in IE and Mozilla/netscape http://www.sbanetwork.org/default2.asp working with this code: #navcontainer { margin-top: -15px; border-top: 1px; } Cayley Vos office: 310.372.3086 mobile: 310.220.9020 http://www.netpaths.net search engines | design | hosting | programming